Time Mag notes Muslim anger over jihadists killing Muslims, concludes that the Ground Zero mega-mosque is a fine thing

Twisted logic. Romesh Ratnesar here notes that Muslims are angry at Al-Qaeda for killing other Muslims, in contravention of Qur'an 4:92, and concludes that "radical Islam" is therefore "receding," and that therefore the Ground Zero mega-mosque is nothing anyone should be concerned about.

It never seems to occur to him that there has been no significant or effective Muslim indignation over Al-Qaeda or others killing Infidels.

"'Ground Zero Mosque' Park51 Not a Triumph of Radical Islam," by Romesh Ratnesar for Time Magazine via Yahoo News, August 18 (thanks to Zed):

[...] And nine years after 9/11, the fight over the mosque near Ground Zero shows how obsessed we remain with an enemy that may no longer exist. [...]

The story of the past decade in the Muslim world is that of the widespread rejection - or "refudiation," to borrow a phrase - of terrorism. A study by the Pew Research Center earlier this year found that support in Muslim countries for suicide bombings has fallen precipitously from post-9/11 levels. One-third of Pakistanis believed terrorism was justified in 2002; now just 8% do. For all our anxiety about the rise of religious extremism, no government in the Arab world has been toppled by forces sympathetic to al-Qaeda since 2001. And though some militant Muslims surely wish us harm, their ability to actually inflict it has eroded; it has been more than five years since the last successful al-Qaeda attack in the West.

The Fort Hood jihad wasn't Al-Qaeda, you see, so it doesn't count. Neither does the Christmas underwear bomber's abortive jihad. Only Al-Qaeda counts, and Al-Qaeda is receding, so all is well. Got it?

The eclipse of al-Qaeda has come about largely through revulsion at the jihadists' indiscriminate slaughter of fellow Muslims, from Indonesia to Iraq. And yet we have failed to notice. A Gallup poll taken in June found that Americans still believe terrorism is a bigger threat to the future well-being of the country than health care costs, unemployment and illegal immigration. (Only the federal debt was deemed an issue of equal seriousness.) America's post-9/11 obsession with terrorism, the belief that we are locked in an epic ideological struggle with radical Islam, has stretched our resources to the limit and distracted us from higher-order priorities. National myopia poses a bigger challenge to the U.S.'s long-term stability than terrorism ever will.

What does this mean for the mosque near Ground Zero? However the dispute is ultimately resolved, its impact on the "threat" posed by radical Islam will be negligible. That's because the threat is receding on its own. Allowing a place of worship to be built in lower Manhattan will constitute neither an American triumph nor a defeat. It will simply tell the world that this nation, wisely, has decided to move on.

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I just posted the link to this article on "Time" down below in the thread with the Park51 Barbarian's photo attached to it.

I read that you can "e-mail the Editor" at: letters@time.com, if anyone feels like it.

All of the recent "Time" articles are ignorant, uninformed, and filled with propaganda and lies. Shame on you, "Time."

It's time you fold, Time.

The eclipse of al-Qaeda has come about largely through revulsion at the jihadists' indiscriminate slaughter of fellow Muslims,

Does that mean mahoundians have suddenly started to reject Mein Qurampf 9:107, the supposed divine sanction to go out and try to out-mahound all other giant-black-cube worshippers?

I saw this story on Time website, came here and here is Robert Spencer taking apart Romesh Ratnesar's misplaced optimism.

It is embarrassing to see this man with a Hindu name talk like this. Hindus are supposed to know better than others what Islam is capable of. Indeed, such comments remind me of that scene from "Independence Day" where the woman is welcoming the alien ship from the roof of a skycraper and marvels at the beauty of it just before being hit by it's killer beam.

Sanjay

This moron sees Muslims anger on al Qaeda killings??? Where, where, where...??? What a false notion!!!He is either delusional, dreaming, or a Muslim apologist and trying to fool the naive infidels into thinking that building of this atrocity on Ground Zero is of no consequence.

This is a big problem with the pseudo-intellectuals from India(Romesh Ratnesar is an Indian name) who continue to spread lies about how good Muslims don't support al Qaeda and its ilk. This is a blatant lie and this guy is doing the same via Time magazine and he fits in very well with the neolib leftist of the Time editorial board.

One-third of Pakistanis believed terrorism was justified in 2002; now just 8% do.

And how many is 8% of 180,000,000? Oh I see, a minute minority...

>"It is embarrassing to see this man with a Hindu name talk like this. Hindus are supposed to know better than others what Islam is capable of."

Oh Sanjay you are forgetting India is full of such foolish Hindus who see nothing wrong with the past misdeeds, atrocities of Muslims in India. In fact many contemporary historians in India, Promila Thapar prominent among them, that Islam was spread peacefully in India. In other words Hindus embraced Islam on their own. While these historians willfully forget the genocide of 80 to 100 million Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists during last 1000 years, Muslims continue their terror even in India even today. Those Hindus who know the brutality and truth about Islam/Muslims in India are called Hindu fundamentalists by the "secular" Indian government and the the stupid media and are to be shunned as they are doing to Narendra Modi, Chief Minister of Gujarat.

I don't expect any truth about Islam/Muslims coming out from the leftist morons!!!

"Time Mag notes Muslim anger over jihadists killing Muslims"

Muhammad founded a cult that has brought nothing but hatred and discord between his followers (among themselves) and his followers and the rest of mankind.
(video)
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/07/perfect-man.html

I gave up on Time Magazine years ago. It was once a source of decent journalism and analysis but now it's just a waste of hard-earned money.

The eclipse of al-Qaeda has come about largely through revulsion at the jihadists' indiscriminate slaughter of fellow Muslims....

Is this supposed to impress us? Muslims only backed away from al Qaeda when it started killing other Muslims!
When did they back away from jihad?
Has anyone so revulsed by al Qaeda tried to turn in Osama?
When did they renounce Hamas or Hezbollah? Prior to 9/11 Hezbollah had the largest amount of American blood on its hands.

Full Disclosure a must

In his Aug. 3 speech defending the Park51 project, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said that "we would play into our enemies' hands" if we were to deny American Muslims the right to build a mosque where they choose. "To cave to popular sentiment would be to hand a victory to the terrorists," Bloomberg said.

Muslims lie. They even have a word for it: Taqiyya. People like Bloomberg and his liberal ilk have bought the lies.

Issue here is not about religious right to build their mosque at Ground Zero, but about Islam establishing an important base of operation for future of Sharia and Jihad in America, symbolized by their Ground Zero 'mosque victory' over the infidels. The site of the 911 Islamic attack against America in her greatest city is the perfect symbolism to please the Ummah. Symbolism is so important to Muslims, that they defeated the infidels for their Allah/Mohammad. But the truth of their intentions are never told by Muslims, so taqiyya and kitman is all we get. The naive and disingenuous in America, like Bloomberg, Pelosi, MSM journalists, etc. are taken in by the lies.

Even if Rauf and Gamal suddenly declared they would build their mega-mosque elsewhere, the lies would continue. This is how they undermine the infidel culture 'burdene' with truth-in-full-disclosure and Judeo-Christian compassions which filter throughout our way of life, where even 'progressive' liberals are infused with this ideology. They have no immunity defense mechanism to fight against covert Islam lies, their Sharia and Jihad ambitions, so they buy it and offer appeasement with the hope that 'terrorists' will stop their attacks against us. There are statutes to prevent foreign influences in charitable and religious activities hostile to our American way of life; such statutes should be applied with full force on the Ground Zero mega-mosque funding sources with demand for full disclosure of what foreign interests are being served by this proposed mosque. That is the only way we can cut through the lies and get to the truth behind their real intentions on Ground Zero. Why there?

You have to stand back from whatever they say and take in the full picture. Where do they stand on Sharia? What is their policy on foreign Jihad, or domestic Jihad? Where is the money coming from? Should a 'religion' be given special privilege on the 911 hallowed ground (of OUR martyrs)? Why should it? Where in the First Amendment does it say Islam gets special privilege? Where do the mosque proponents stand on da'wa at the mosque with 'full disclosure' of the truths about Islam? Not just the lovely things but also the odious things, like 'death for apostasy' and all the violent verses in the Koran against infidels (there are over 100 of them, but listing just the top 20 will do), or the status of women in Islam (the truth of their subservient status to men, as possessions), and many other details to force the truth out of Muslims. Only then can we cut through the lies. See the whole picture and cross-check whatever they say, so to not be taken in by their inevitable deceits. Whether or not Al-Qaeda and its wannabe proxies are still a credible threat is secondary to 'truth in Islam' and their Sharia ambitions.

America will always respect religious beliefs, no matter how vile they may be. But America cannot stand by allowing lies to dominate religious dialogue with any sect, especially if their design is to subvert our form of government and Constitution to satisfy their dominance ambitions. It is hard to deal with congenital liars, but it can be done. 'Full disclosure' is a must, a mandatory requirement for Time Magazine and others to report what is happening at Ground Zero, and cut through the lies. Good journalism requires no less.

Erratum -

'burdene'? It should be 'burdened', missed the 'd'.

The eclipse of al-Qaeda has come about largely through revulsion at the jihadists' indiscriminate slaughter of fellow Muslims....

They also backed away from al Qaeda because of Predators. However the Jihad continues with or without al Qaeda. the fact that it does without the central organisation of al Qaeda, should force those who believe in Islam as the RoP, question that belief.

But will, they? Never. Like many Liberals, they would rather see themselves, their family and friends die, then acknowledge that the central feature that defines their lives, is totally false.

So it will be the likes of Churchill, who will rescue these Liberals from their foolishness, so that they can sleep with an easy conscience.

A briliiant speech

BILL WHITTLE: IN UNDERSTANDING THE GROUND ZERO MOSQUE ONE MUST UNDERSTAND APPEASEMENT ENCOURAGES OUR ENEMIES .......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg_iDPRud_c&feature=player_embedded#at=602

See it and post it elsewhere

"Never should a believer kill a believer unless (it be) by mistake." Qur'an 4:92

"If a man kills a believer intentionally, he will be cast into Hell, to abide therein. The wrath, damnation, and curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him." Qur'an 4:93

The catch word here is "believer".
It is a terrible sin to kill a "believer" but it is not a sin to kill a "non-believer".

The deceivers, the taqiyya masters, are out in full force.
They would have us all believe that they are "Ijtihadis", moderate Muzlims, desiring only peace and love. But in their heart of hearts they are still indoctrinated with Mohammad's teachings, especially Imams.

They want Muzlims to be accepted in foreign lands so they can remain here in peace, and multiply, until they reach tipping point and jihad is declared.

"He who leaves his home in Allah's Cause finds abundant resources and many a refuge. Should he die as a refugee for Allah and His Messenger his reward becomes due and sure with Allah. When you travel through the earth there is no blame on you if you "curtail your worship" for fear unbelievers may attack you. In truth the disbelievers are your enemy."

When the Messenger and his buddies were losing their grip and Muslims began to think for themselves, as it appears is happening today... Qur'an 4:81 "They have obedience on their lips; but when they leave you (Muhammad), a section of them plots things that are very different from what you commanded them. So keep clear of them."

The reason the first Muslims feigned support was obvious. It's the same reason the vast majority of Germans and Russians pretended to be Nazis and Communists. Dissent was met with imprisonment and death. And this is why we must care enough about "bad" Muslims to free them from "good" ones. Prophet of Doom

What Imam Rauf is proposing is "Ijtihad".
This was practised back in the early days of Islam but it never flew.

Ijtihad practise is a form of law independent of the Ulema and prefers democracy and getting along with other religions. It is the "soft-parade moderate Islamic school of jurisprudence". Muqtedar Khan is one of the rising stars among moderate Muslim intellectuals in the West and has become, with Imam Rauf running a close second, the voice of moderates.

For Islam to survive it needs violent "jihad" as well as the spiritual jihad.
"If you build it - they will come" seems to be the philosophy of the day.

From the jihadwatch archives, a 2004 news report about a Czech citizen who - remembering the obscene glee exhibited by Arab Muslim tourists in his spa town, when they heard about the Sept 11 jihad raid - was campaigning to stop the building of a mosque.

He opposed the building of a mosque *in his town in the Czech Republic*, because he had observed that those who would build it had heartily approved of the Muslim mass-murder in NYC.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2004/07/czech-mosque-plan-raises-protests.html

Here are the pertinent sections.

"TEPLICE, NORTH BOHEMIA: Milos Kejzlar angrily recalls the reaction of visiting Arabs in Teplice following the events of 9/11.

"The people of the town were very surprised to see a great number of Arabs here celebrating in the parks and the restaurants after they learned what happened in the U.S.," he said, downing shots of slivovice at his well-kept house in a leafy suburb.

'Shocked by some Arabs' {i.e. some Arab Muslims' - dda} response to the destruction of the World Trade Center and flooded by constant media coverage of terrorist plots, Kejzlar concluded that a mosque a few blocks from his home was a bad idea.

"It seems that terrorism often springs from those who gather at the mosques and from those who preach from them," said the 41-year-old high school math teacher.

'Last spring, after learning of a private company's plans to erect a temple to cater to the thousands of Arabs, mostly Saudis, who seek extended medical treatments in this historic spa town, Kejzlar launched a petition against the mosque, which would be the country's second.

'An informal prayer house already exists on the proposed site of the 132-square-meter (1,467-square-foot) mosque.

"Islam is a strongly orthodox religion that is based on principles that are contrary to our cultural environment as well as the development of our society," the petition reads.

"At the time when Arab [sic: MUSLIM - dda] terrorism is growing all around the world, it would be very dangerous even to consider granting a permit for such a building. ...

"Recently there have been many cases of mosques becoming centers of radical Muslims who preach about the necessity to physically liquidate people of different faiths."...'.

Now, if it is reasonable to oppose a mosque in Teplice can be opposed because of Muslim approval, visibly displayed, of the mass-murder in NYC, and because of the well-demonstrated linkage of mosques with murderous incitement against non-Muslims, then surely a mosque *in NYC* (whether near ground zero, or anywhere else!) ought also to be opposed.

(Re. Czech mosques, and Muslim taqiyya, another story from the Czech Republic, pre-dating the 'Undercover Mosque' programs from the UK:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/03/bad-dhimmi-czech-documentary-angers-muslims.html

A documentary called 'I, Muslim' exposed the difference between what Muslims say to Infidels whom they deem to be at present more powerful, and what those same Muslims say to each other when they think those same Infidels can't hear them).

Here's a link on the Time Magazine article site:

"What the Arab World Makes of the Ground Zero Mosque Plans"

http://www.aolnews.com/surge-desk/article/what-the-arab-world-makes-of-the-ground-zero-mosque-plans/19596901

One of the most appalling passages is the following, from a column in Egypt's Al-Ahram Weekly:

"America was attacked by a radical fringe group that day. It should not allow fringe groups on either side to destroy chances to rebuild."

Here, this supposedly "moderate" Muslim—one who gives article author Paul Wachter so much hope, is comparing those who oppose the building of the mosque *to those who murdered almost 3000 innocent civilians on 9/11*.

Fewer Pakistanis approve of terror now only because THEY ARE BEING KILLED BY IT, not just outsiders! When they could sit back and have a good laugh at the West with its flaming skyscrapers, bombed out subways, abducted and beheaded journalists, at India's decimated hotel complexes and derailed trains, or at Israel's blown-up children on school buses, it really hit the spot. With little positive to occupy them in their own country, unless they were among the filthy rich exploiter-class, their energies were thus harnessed in service of hatred of the infidels.

Now that Al Queda and its allied fundamentalist elements are seeking to overthrow civil rule (excuse me - the usual military rule), of the country, bombings are staged on a near-daily basis. With the reality of terror thus brought home, Pakistanis now realize that "terror is a bad thing"! It was a FINE thing, desirable, when it killed Indians, Israelis, Americans, Europeans . . . but not my family!

(By Golly - not even Muslims are spared now. Shocking, since as we know, Muslims have always treated each other with the utmost deference and gentleness. But heck, Partition MADE this a Muslim country - oops! - so they don't really have enough people to kill who are NOT Muslim. They shoulda planned enough stock for bloodletting needs going forward. But I guess it's hard to know exactly what you'll need . . . )

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