Tonight at White House Ramadan dinner, Obama set to betray Americans who are standing against the Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero

This is not a religious freedom issue. No one has ever understood the freedom of religion as granting an untrammeled license to build any structure anywhere, as long as it's religious. If the KKK announced plans to build a shrine at the site of the 16th Street Baptist Church, would Obama be talking about religious freedom?

"Obama to back religious freedom at Islam dinner," from AP, August 13:

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama on Friday will speak up for religious freedom at a dinner celebrating the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, emphasizing that point just as New York City is immersed in a deeply sensitive debate about whether a mosque should be built near ground zero.

Obama has not yet spoken about the mosque controversy. The White House has been calling the matter solely a local one.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs would not directly say whether Obama would address the mosque when he hosts the iftar dinner that breaks the holiday's daily fast. But Gibbs quickly added that Obama believes strongly in the tenet of religious freedom and would be speaking out on that....

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Prince Barry can hardly hide his disdain for Christianity while warmly embracing izlam. Could he be a muzlim?/ sarc off

I don't care what he says about anything, I spit on his ideas, policies & remarks, all of them, but especially his pandering to the vicious ideology/cult of izlam.

This man is no friend of America.

"But Gibbs quickly added that Obama believes strongly in the tenet of religious freedom and would be speaking out on that...." - No doubt. I can never agree to that.

"If the KKK announced plans to build a shrine at the site of the 16th Street Baptist Church, would Obama be talking about religious freedom?" - hell no. But I will agree to that.

Bama is a MUSLUM! May be he will declare openly he is a Moslum.

Who voted him in ?

Religious freedom for America haters, only, is the President's position.

This man is the enemy in the White House.
Obama's Mom in the Nude (video)
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/08/obamas-momla-mere-dobama.html

I thought that the Obama White House believes that this GZ mosque is a "local issue" ? Oh well.

I don't get it - why would you wanna show hussain's mum in nude? She is not responsible for what Hussain is doing. There is no need to show a lady in distasteful manner, or do you think otherwise?

I wonder if el presidente will be speaking-out about those 3,000 people slaughtered on American soil by muslims on 9/11/2001? Does he have any "strong beliefs" to spare for them?

This man is a traitorous disgrace to his country. Whatever country that is...

Hey look, "moslums," "muzlims"

It's like you beg not to be taken seriously by the mainstream. I'm not offended, on the contrary, keep it up. Mention dogs next time too and something about pulled pork barbeque. That'll show us you're REALLY serious.

"No one has ever understood the freedom of religion as granting an untrammeled license to build any structure anywhere, as long as it's religious."

A term just came to mind for what this is: Islamic eminent domain.

Sheikh Obama, the self proclaimed King of Islamerica, is merely carrying out his bounden duty with iftar.
I know of no other "Western" leader who observes any part of Ramadanadingdong. (I say "Western" as Obama is as far removed from the west as possible without geographical relocation).

Any speech he gives on religious freedom will only be about freedom for islam.

It's like you beg not to be taken seriously by the mainstream. I'm not offended, on the contrary, keep it up. Mention it's ridiculous to see a child wearing the tudung or that any man who threatened your daughter in such a way would be talked to by you and your brother. That'll show us you're REALLY serious.

Great! I'm all for religious freedom. But why oh why do those in office support an ideology that is against religious freedom? I mean of course Islam which is about as tolerant as a rabid Rotweiler.

Shame! it is an insult to the founding fathers of this great nation. It is an insult to the hundreds of people who gave their lives for democracy and freedom. Its an insult to the people who gave their lives during 9/11. Its time to be more vocal and proactive to stop this madness.

Hi Mahoundian,

Quick question? What the hell do YOU know about the "Mainstream?" That's what I thought! Oh, I need to feed my black Labrabor his pulled-pork sandwich.

Love you!

"Obama to back religious freedom at Islam dinner," from AP, August 13:

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama on Friday will speak up for religious freedom at a dinner celebrating the Islamic holy month of Ramadan....
But Gibbs quickly added that Obama believes strongly in the tenet of religious freedom and would be speaking out on that....

Well, let's not voice our opinions until we hear what the man has to say. Maybe he's going to announce that henceforth, America will provide no aid to countries that do not allow religious freedom. And he's using the Ramadan dinner as the occation for the announcement because virtually of the world's countries that do not allow religious freedom are the Islamic ones.
Or maybe not. I must admit I'm not holding my breath.

What the Great Equivocator thinks is tolerance and religious freedom is, in effect, the slow extinction of creeds other than Islamic--either through crushing civil disabilities and second-class citizenship imposed, to greater or lesser degree, on non-muslims wherever Muslims rule, or through an indifference that perfectly mirrors the profound enthusiasm Barack Hussein has for Islam.

How about religious freedom in Saudi Arabia and throughout the Muslim world, Mr. Obama? Why don't you address that issue? Whether ignoramus or coward, you can't be absolved here.

Again we see we have a President who delights in invoking American freedoms as a way of shaming Americans who disagree with him, never mind the reason why he invokes this cheap and ignorant condemnation is to make yet more excuses for an ideology which doesn't allow for any real freedom at all. Bush didn't get Islam and made too many apologies for it to be sure, but Obama is far worse than Bush; he's a direct enabler.

Fools are in charge. The time is out of joint. And I'm reaching for a beer. To hell with Obama and Islam. Both are bad for America. Reasonable minds can differ as to which will do more damage.

Oh yeah, one last thing. All those who voted for Obama in 2008 really did a disservice to the best which Western Civilization has painstakingly constructed over time. And what, may I ask, has Islam painstakingly ever constructed which benefits man in any way? Please, spare me any arguments to the effect that medieval Islam preserved ancient Greek wisdom; almost all such wisdom would have been preserved anyway, and in any case it was antithetical to Islamic doctrine, which has NEVER allowed for free discourse into explorations of the cosmos without preconditions a la the Greek approach. Ah, so disgusted with sophisticated stupidity, examples being Obama and Islam.

How about we mention (endlessly) that your evil false prophet Muhammad married a 6 year old child and raped the child at the tender age of 9. What kind of sub-human sack of human waste would do that? And if child molester isn't enough, how about violent war monger too. Holy man. (vomit)

President Barack Obama on Friday will speak up for religious freedom at a dinner celebrating the Islamic holy month of Ramadan....
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Good Lord—it's like watching a train wreck in slow motion...

I have developed a suspicion that before Rauf and company announced plans for their insult to America they already had some assurance that there would be no opposition from the White House. Obama might not go so far as to stand side by side with Rauf at a press conference pushing for the project, but he won't throw up any roadblocks either. Based on Rauf's State Dept. sponsored phoney baloney outreach tour to various Islamic countries it is obvious that this guy is pretty well connected in D.C.

Perhaps it's time that we remind President Obama that he answers to us, and not the other way around.

Give me liberty or give me death.

Here's my take on Greg Gutfeld's Gay (ak)Bar, which I call 'PiggyBack'


Will White House/Obama use Halal food in this islamic dinner ???

So, I suppose you'll take us seriously when dogs are enjoying the sweet taste of BBQ pork inside every mosque in the West.

Can't wait for that day to happen.

I think Bosch just won the "Name the Muslim Gay Bar" contest!

So Obama is going to pig out on iftar delicacies and is going to talk about freedom of religion, nice combination. If I may say so.

I'm only wondering what is more important the so-called freedom of religion or offending all the victims' families. I can't fathom it. The president of the United States sucking up to Mohammedans and abandoning his own people. It's disgusting.

If Obama feels the need to weigh in on this "local issue" that tells me that the muslims and their useful idiot supporters are feeling the heat.Their attempt to intimidate opponents in to silence clearly hasn't worked.

Really serious about what? ...trying to please you? Oh, that's right, I forgot that it's ALL about you and your tender feelings, and your barbaric beliefs. Hey excuse us for living ...

What Constitutes A Religion For First Amendment Purposes:

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/29018

Religious freedom sounds like a great idea. The trouble is that our definitions of "religion" need to be tightened up ... or broadened. What if religion included philosophical beliefs, and my philosophical belief held that equality, kindness, and humane treatment of all were paramount, and those espousing otherwise were to be restricted?

Would Obama and I be dining together?

Roxane, I couldn't agree more.

The POS, I mean, POTUS attended a madrassa as a youngster and surely knows the ramifications of his pushing for the Ground Zero mosque. Okay, fine. Now we will push back, and push him and his fellow comrades out of the White House, out of our country and right off the edge of that cliff at the end of his frickin' flat earth (from the Ko-ran.)

You're beyond clueless. You're full of trite sayings and loads of ignorance masquerading as wisdom. Some combination. Better that you go away (though you won't) since you add nothing to real debate. Fitting, however, since Islam adds nothing to the human condition by way of original thought but keeps coming back again and again just as cockroaches do.

Think about it, rube. Name one damn thing that Islam didn't borrow from others which aids the human race in any manner (some medieval Muslim finding something of importance irrespective of Islam doesn't count). The Islamic world at its best is merely a transmitter. And ordinarily it's a phenomenon which stifles the human experience. Get this? No, then get it.

And betray us he did...
POLITICO Breaking News:
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President Barack Obama on Friday offered his support for a controversial project to build a mosque near Ground Zero, in the face of opposition from the families of 9/11 victims. “I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country,” Obama was expected to say, according to remarks prepared for delivery at a White House dinner marking the Islamic holiday of Ramadan. “That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances.”

For more information...http://www.politico.com

This speech he's giving at the Ramadan dinner-- it wouldn't by any chance include a reference to the "angels of our better nature," would it? That that one phrase would be, at the same time, both politic and, considering the audience, impolitic.

For all of those in the lame stream it's spelled t-r-a-i-t-o-r!! Got that?

For USA women,

"Got veil?"

For USA men,

"Got balls?

That POS invoking our "founding principles" and freedom of religion in front of an audience made up of enemies of this country who are out to nullify those principles and destroy freedom of religion for all but themselves. Just one more thing to Remember in November: Imam Obummah OK's Mooslame bid to build victory mosque literally on top of the ashes of the dead from 9/11.

"If the KKK announced plans to build a shrine at the site of the 16th Street Baptist Church, would Obama be talking about religious freedom?" - hell no. But I will agree to that."

It took us how many years BEFORE the USA was invited to the Hiroshima ceremony? hint: 65 Aug 6, 1945

Who would have considered it appropriate for the US to have invited themselves to attend in 1954?

Soooooo...Mr. 'Local Issue' comes out of the closet. This puts a lot of speculation to rest. You had to know all along that he was their go-to-guy. Great! Let him be tarred with the same brush as his friends Feisal, Daisy and that malevolent creep el Gamal. Just another nail in his muslim coffin...

“I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country,”

And, Mr. President, does that include the right to murder your daughter who won't wear what the koran dictates?
Does that include the right to murder your daughter because she wants to leave Islam or wants to date a non-Muslim?

Exactly what do you mean by your statement?

Why not call for Muslims to grant the rest of us the same freedom to practice our religion in Muslim countries as they are accorded here?

HYPOCRITE!

To support Religious freedom, one must be against ISLAM
ISLAM is Sharia. Sharia is intolerant of other Religions or Governments. Sharia is a LAW. The Constitution is a LAW. The two can't coexist. The LAW, by definition, can't have another LAW alongside it. That's called an Amendment. Is the Constitution going to be amended by Sharia? Is this what we will be capitulating to?

That's called an Amendment. Is the Constitution going to be amended by Sharia? Is this what we will be capitulating to?

If "circumstances" continue on the way they have been, and Americans "feel comfortable" with the "current" freedoms that were hard-earned by those before them, the answers to your valid questions are, "YES!"

“I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country,”

Patently false. Cannibal immigrants from Papua New Guinea do not have a right to practice their ancient religion. Human sacrifice in accordance with Aztec sun god worship is not permitted. We can think of hundreds of religious practices that are not allowed in the United States.

Islam is a political, economic, social and psychological ideology, a medieval nomadic tribal warrior code. It is an ideology of conquest by violence with an economic foundation based on naked plunder. Its political model never transcended the "headman" tribal structure and its social order is misogynistic and brutal. Its psychology is based on raw fear. It eschews freedom of conscience or creed and to this day, Muslim societies are the only societies on the planet that practice bona fide slavery.

It is not a "religion" as the founders of the American republic understood the concept and to which they had intended to extend protection of law. One need only hear the voice of the sixth president of the United States, John Quincy Adams, to sense the attitude of the founders on the subject of Islam:

"In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, [.....] Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST.- TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE.... Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant ... While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men."

Looks like that chainsmoking liberal traitor is doing everything possible to make himself a one term preznit and ensure a GOP victory in the mid-term.

You made a number of good points, but I especially like these...

Patently false. Cannibal immigrants from Papua New Guinea do not have a right to practice their ancient religion. Human sacrifice in accordance with Aztec sun god worship is not permitted.

As I have said in the past. Islam should be made illegal because it's ultimate goal is the over through of our form of government.

Many of the manifestations of this underling action have been mentioned over and over again on this site and many others. Just connect the dots. Oh, by the way we are at war with Islam whether anyone whats to reconcile this fact or not.

As far as the mosque at ground zero. This is like have Nazi Germany set up a working concentration camp in Jerusalem. Now the Muslim would love that just as they would love to see this mosque in New York.

Refresh my memory?

Did Barry celebrate Christmas? Easter? Passover?...

The man is clueless or indifferent to the general mood of the PEOPLE! And that's to be nice about it.

The smile of hope and change rests upon the face of one pleased with the progress of a job unfinished.

Ali Sina has posted one of his excellent articles about Rauf and the mosque at Islam-watch.org...

As far as Rasool Obama and his Ramamdan rock and roll party... the traitor has spoken...The treason is in your (our) face...Brazen bstrd...Where's the Red Queen when you need her?

Did Barry celebrate Christmas? Easter? Passover?...
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Exactly. I recall Easter of 2009 when Obama spent Easter morning strolling on the beach; Easter is the highest holy day on the Christian calendar. But of course, Obama--the Great Pretender--is a phony whose pastor was a former Muslim.

Church for Obama was a weekly rage against the machine, the machine being a constitutional republic founded on Judeo-Christian principles, all of which Obama despises.

Flowerknife_us, I don't think Obama is clueless. I believe he's sticking it to us because he can get away with it and about 50% of Americans are complete fools.

This radical propensity was apparent before his election, but the fools who voted for him could not be bothered with facts. November 2 is circled on my calendar. Let the push back (as IsabellatheCrusader calls it) begin.

Speech transcript posted here: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/08/obamas-remarks-about-ground-ze.html

Obama concludes speech with this zinger; "...at the heart of every great religion, including Islam --- that we do unto others as we would have them do unto us."

I didn't realise Muslims wanted to be subjugated or killed by non-Muslims. Thank-you Mr. Obama for clearing that up for me.

HERE IT IS, ON YAHOO:

OBAMA BACKS MOSQUE NEAR GROUND ZERO:

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama on Friday forcefully endorsed allowing a mosque near ground zero, saying the country's founding principles demanded no less.

"As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country," Obama said, weighing in for the first time on a controversy that has riven New York City and the nation.

"That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," he said. "This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable."

Obama made the comments at an annual dinner in the White House State Dining Room celebrating the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.

The White House had not previously taken a stand on the mosque, which would be part of a $100 million Islamic center two blocks from where nearly 3,000 people perished when hijacked jetliners slammed into the World Trade Center towers on Sept. 11, 2001. Press secretary Robert Gibbs had insisted it was a local matter.

It was already much more than that, sparking debate around the country as top Republicans including Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich announced their opposition. So did the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish civil rights group.

Obama elevated it to a presidential issue Friday without equivocation.

While insisting that the place where the twin towers once stood was indeed "hallowed ground," Obama said that the proper way to honor it was to apply American values.

"Our capacity to show not merely tolerance, but respect towards those who are different from us — and that way of life, that quintessentially American creed, stands in stark contrast to the nihilism of those who attacked us on that September morning, and who continue to plot against us today," he said.

Obama harkened back to earlier times when the building of synagogues or Catholic churches also met with opposition. "But time and again, the American people have demonstrated that we can work through these issues, and stay true to our core values and emerge stronger for it," he said. "So it must be and will be today."

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, an independent who has been a strong supporter of the mosque, welcomed Obama's words as a "clarion defense of the freedom of religion."

But some Republicans were quick to pounce.

"President Obama is wrong," said Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y. "It is insensitive and uncaring for the Muslim community to build a mosque in the shadow of ground zero. While the Muslim community has the right to build the mosque they are abusing that right by needlessly offending so many people who have suffered so much."

Entering the highly charged election-year debate, Obama surely knew that his words would not only make headlines but be heard by Muslims worldwide. The president has made it a point to reach out to the global Muslim community, and the over 100 guests at Friday's dinner included ambassadors and officials from numerous Muslim nations, including Saudi Arabia and Indonesia. Seated around candlelit tables, they listened closely as Obama spoke, then stood and applauded when the president finished his remarks.

While his pronouncement concerning the mosque might find favor in the Muslim world, Obama's stance runs counter to the opinions of the majority of Americans, according to polls. A CNN/Opinion Research poll released this week found that nearly 70 percent of Americans opposed the mosque plan while just 29 percent approved. A number of Democratic politicians have shied away from the controversy.

The group behind the $100 million project, the Cordoba Initiative, describes it as a Muslim-themed community center. Early plans call not only for prayer space but for a swimming pool, culinary school, art studios and other features. Developers envision it as a hub for interfaith interaction, as well as a place for Muslims to bridge some of their faith's own schisms.

Opponents, including some Sept. 11 victims' relatives, see the prospect of a mosque so near the destroyed trade center as an insult to the memory of those killed by Islamic terrorists in the 2001 attacks. Some of the Sept. 11 victims' relatives, however, are in favor.

The mosque has won approval from local planning boards but faces legal challenges, and New York's Conservative Party is planning a television ad campaign to pressure a New York City utility to use its power to block the project."

Shame on you, Hussein. I hope you go down in infamy for forcing YOUR MUSLIM AGENDA on America and Americans.


Obama's speech could use a good "Fisking" by Robert or Hugh. Would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

“WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama on Friday will speak up for religious freedom at a dinner celebrating the Islamic holy month of Ramadan,…”

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With this move Obama is honoring the religion of Islam.

With this move Obama is in effect telling both Muslims and non-Muslims that he approves of the religion and what it entails.

This has a tragic two prong effect. It entrenches the legitimacy of Islam in the minds of Muslims, and it sends a message to non-Muslims that Islam is a religion worthy of respect.

In reality, Islam is an exceptionally dangerous and harmful religion. The fundamental claims of Islam are wholly untrue. Muhammad was not the messenger of god. Allah is not god. Muhammad was an insane, evil liar. Muhammad merely lifted and re-worked stories from Judaism and Christianity and combined them with Arabian folk lore to create Islam. Islam is an obscenely cruel an error ridden nightmare that needs to be abandoned toot sweet. Islam is simply a cult, and terribly unjust one at that.

Speaking an ex-Muslim whom Islamic theology plainly states should be killed for simply leaving the religion, I would like to send a big shout out and a thank you to all of you non-Muslims out there who have the courage and the conviction to stand against the evil ideology known as the Islamic religion. With every passing week more and more people are learning the horrible truth about Islam. Please continue to do you part to help expose Islam. Telling friends and family and others about Jihad Watch will help immensely in this respect. Cheers

"This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable." so speaks the President.

Well, dear President, when a group of people are committed to flying airplanes into buildings, as an expression of their dedication to Allah, whom they consider as the supreme God, are we Americans supposed to stand by, as this expression of religious freedom must go unchallenged?

I really think you have it wrong. Religious freedom does NOT mean killing people.

I just really have to ask you, since when does supporting religious freedom mean sanctioning murder?

No, true religion is opposed to murder. Please do NOT ask us to tolerate that.

America means supporting life, not extinguishing it.

Oh Lord, it's all over. The Anti-Christ is finally in the White House.

Oh Lord, it's all over. The Anti-Christ is finally in the White House.

Thanks for digging that up and posting it tonight, Courreges W.

Unfriggin' believable. Man alive is that guy gonna do some damage to U.S. while in office. The emperor wears no clothes and it is showing.

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SaracensAtTheGates made a great comment above. Damn, thxs Man.

This is such bull****. Who died and left him king? Freedom of religion? Ha! Will we be able to proselytize in a muslim country? Will we be able to construct a church or a temple in Mecca? Just like we're not able to yell 'fire' in a crowded theatre, the muslims are not allowed to build on hallowed ground; the same hallowed ground that became hallowed due to muslims that chanted 'allahu akbar' and held up the koran. This is the same president who chants the virtues of secularism but defers to mohammadism.

Robert has already said this not a freedom of religion. We are not taking away their freedom of religion; we are protcting our hallowed ground.

So Obama is backing the 9/11 Jihad Victory Mosque, where Muslims can strut and crow and gloat over the 3000 non-Muslims who were mass-murdered as human sacrifices to the arab god of blood and war and to the pride and blood-lust, the insatiable id of the Ummah, or Mohammedan Mob.

This report made it into the Aussie news.

I read it and nearly threw up.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/14/2982932.htm?section=justin

'Obama backs controversial NY mosque project'.

The Prophet [priest, and king, and God Incarnate] Jesus said:

Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; because it entereth not into his heart, but into the bell, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, and evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within and defile the man.

(Mark 7:18-23).

Go ahead. Try the pulled pork. It's good, and has cooked too long for any of the trichinosis worms to survive.

Just a quibble.

Did the ancient Greeks really stand for free inquiry? It seems to me that Socrates' criticisms of the Athenian national cult got him killed. Sounds more like 21st century Iran than like 21st century America.

Indeed, Socrates was a little like a guy who'd go running into an Ashura procession in Najaf or Qom shouting, "Hey, guys! Why all the fuss about Ali, Hassan, and Hussein? They're all dead! They couldn't save themselves, so how can they save you?"

Socrates and Plato came down to us as the wonders of ancient Greek thinking because they captured the imaginations of major Christian thinkers and leaders from the Greek fathers down through Huldreich Zwingli and beyond. This was because Socrates (or Plato using him for his mouthpiece) criticized the Athenian national cult and, when a young twerp named Callicles declared the tyrant to be the happiest of men in the course of a symposium on justice (Gorgias), Socrates answered by affirming a judgment after death. The Greek church fathers of the early Christian era doubtlessly saw in this a precursor of their own problems with the polytheism of their forefathers; so Western civilization never really forgot Socrates and Plato.

But, I suspect you may be trying to tell our Muslim interlocutors that it was most likely the numerous dhimmi of the earliest Islamic centuries rather than the Muslims themselves who transmitted the classical past. And, let's not forget the Greek scholars who moved west following the fall of Constantinople.

Once again President Obama thumbs his nose at the majority of the American people,ignoring the fact that building this particular mosque near ground zero is a desecration of a hollowed ground of the thousands who died there at the hands of Muslims following the teachings of Islam toward the infidel state.

He is an enabler of Muslims that are determined to plant their Mosque in an effort to show conquest to Muslims in the middle east, he is enabler of the Islamic terrorist groups who will be emboldened by the symbolic presence of this mega mosque.

President Obama and his liberal democratic congress have been sticking their collective fingers in our eyes everytime. Their elitist arrogance is beginning to reach a boiling point with the majority of American voters as they continue to violate the trust and the will of the people on issue after issue. From the stimulus money,thousands of earmarks that Obama said would not be in any bills,a healthcare bill that the majority of Americans are opposed to,more stimulus for unions only over private sector companies, a cap and trade bill that Americans are opposed to,ignoring the will of the American people and Arizona on Illegal immigration,suing Arizona for trying to defend its borders, and now in support of an in your face mega mosque at ground zero. This November can not come soon enough and 2012 as well.

"Thanks for digging that up and posting it tonight, Courreges W."

Saleem, there was no "digging." I went to yahoo and there it was, right in front of my face as clear as day.

When it should be hiding in shame in the shadows of night.

I would like to concur with your apt phrase here: "Unfriggin' believable."

Religious freedom was a great idea when 90% of the population were schooled as either Presbyterians, Congregationalists, Episcopalians, Dutch Reformed (Ek ben van Nieuw Jersey), German Reformed, or Huguenot, and all the major denominations more or less had buried the hatchet with the Great Awakening of the 1750's. With the most radical dissenters being Desits, Anabaptists, Quakers, Roman Catholics, and a smattering of Jews in RI, NY, and SC, plus the state having a minimal role in the allocation of resources, the Free Exercise Clause was probably non-problematic.

Even when you had people threatening each other with Hellfire if they didn't repent, you didn't haave much of a problem, as long as nobody was hurrying his neighbor down the path to Hell.

Indeed, the Free Exercise Clause doesn't really come into play in American Constitutional Jurisprudence until the mid-nineteenth century, when the Mormon cases raised the issue of polygamy (and Mormon polygamy was NOT upheld).

At the same time, even after the US Constitution and Bill of Rights were adopted, a man could still go to jail for blaspheming against the name of Jesus Christ--and this case did not get to the Supreme Court (Ruggles v. NY, 1811).

The openly political aspect of Islam is now likely to provide the largest Constitutional crisis in the history of First Amendment jurisprudence. And this happens at a time when the legal elite views "separationism" as appropriate when dealing with Christian claims, while "accommodation" is for cults like Islam and the Church of the Lukumi Babalu Aye.

Hence, my big worry isn't Obama in the White House, but Kagan, Ginsberg, and a few other Leftists on the Supreme Court dealing with sharia-related cases to come.

From Obama's speech: "The first Muslim ambassador to the United States, from Tunisia, was hosted by President Jefferson, who arranged a sunset dinner for his guest because it was Ramadan --- making it the first known iftar at the White House, more than 200 years ago."

Here's the link to the backstory of Jefferson's iftar:
http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/Tunisian_Envoy

It's a must-read.
Sidi Soliman Mellimelli, the Tunisian ambassador, was in the US to discuss protection money to be paid by the US to the Barbary pirates. He also required "concubines" to be provided to him.

Over at atlasshrugs, I heard word that some folks who are planning to attend the 9/11 protest rally in New York City, are organising a freedom convoy, a 'Stars and Stripes Caravan': they're going to travel together, picking up people as they go along, all the way from the west coast to the east coast.

Here's the announcement as it appeared there on Tuesday August 10 2010:

"The Stars and Stripes Caravan will begin its journey on the West Coast on on September 6 at 4:30pm – and arrives on 9-11. That’s September 11, 2010 at 12:00pm.

"The Rally begins at 2 PM so that gives everyone plenty of time to park their vehicles in Jersey and then ferry across the Hudson to Ground Zero for the SIOA Rally to honor those murdered on 9-11 and to protest the building of Ground Zero Mosque.

"The announcement continues from Stars and Stripes Caravan.

” Since we are getting so many people together for carpooling to get to NYC on Sept 11th, we thought we should make a statement on the way.

"We are trying to organize the largest Caravan in America by arranging meeting points along the way to NYC.

"It will start all over the West Coast and pick up more Patriot travelers along the way till we reach NYC.

"Plan to park your car/van/bus/truck somewhere across the river from NYC and take… a ferry over.

"More details to come as they unfold.

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"Thank you all so much. God bless you and hope to see you at the rally!” END.

I'm hoping and praying that the Stars and Stripes Caravan garners a huuuge turnout.

Looks to me, if they do get sufficient numbers to make an impressive-looking convoy, that they should take a loop through Washington on the way to NYC...just to make a point. Imagine thousands of cars, trucks and Harley-Davidsons roaring on past the front of the White House. That's what *I'd* like to see.

Drive slooowly past the White House; deliver a petition against Sharia, to the denizens of the Capitol; and stop off briefly near the Pentagon so a party of mourners can lay a pile of wreaths at the memorial to those who were murdered *there* on 11 September 2001.

Further thought.

Some time ago, as protests about the 9/11 Jihad Victory Mosque were being discussed, I suggested - here and at Atlas Shrugs - that 3000 people should volunteer to attend the rally as representatives of the dead... to be 'ghosts', dressed in white or in black. Each person would wear a sash with the name of the specific, particular murdered person that he or she is representing, and a slogan such as 'Jihadists Killed Me. Resist Jihad!' 'Sharia-Pushers Killed Me. Reject Sharia!'; each would also carry a flag showing the nationality of that murderee (so, for example, amidst a sea of American flags, 2600 to be exact, one would also see 67 Union Jacks, 41 Indian flags, 24 Canadian flags, and eleven Aussie flags, and so on).

Well: I think that idea can be extended. It would make a very eerie, eye-catching shot to have those 3000 'ghosts' photographed standing right next to Ground Zero - and, especially, standing right next to the proposed 9/11 Jihad Victory mosque; but ...there's somewhere else they could also make their statement.

Like: out front of the White House, on November 2nd, The Day of the Dead, holding a sit-in to condemn Obama's utterly despicable approval of the mosque.


OBAMA has shown his true color of who he is and what he stands for.
This man does not deserve to be our president anymore.
What he should be doing now is to demand that non-Muslims living in the Muslim-majority countries be treated with dignity and equal rights as in the way they treat to Muslims.
It is totally disguting to hear him speak such non-senses!
Obama,you and your team at the white house are all traitors who betray America and all the victims of 9/11 murderers.

“The mosques are our barracks, the domes are our helmets, the minarets are our swords, and the faithful are our army." - Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan in 1998.

Go the front page of the NYT, and there it is: "Obama strongly endorses Islamic Center"

Did you get that? "Islamic Center," not "mosque."

"From Obama's speech: "The first Muslim ambassador to the United States, from Tunisia, was hosted by President Jefferson, who arranged a sunset dinner for his guest because it was Ramadan --- making it the first known iftar at the White House, more than 200 years ago."

I think I'm going to puke.

People - anyone who ever denied that Hussein is indeed a Muslim, I think your opinion's about to be changed.

"sunset dinner?" How does Hussein know? My God I'm living in "1984" and Hussein is Big Brother, just making up lies as he goes along to further his Islamic agenda.

I never knew before that Big Brother was a Muslim.

Well, he''s finally thrown down the gauntlet, drawn his line in the sand....

What are you going to DO about it?

Every able bodied person who can to get to the 911 protest had better do so. The numbers need to prove a point to his highness. We will not submit, we will not obey, we will not be betrayed.

This has always been war but now it can no longer be ignored.

I guess George is looking pretty good about now. Sorry I couldn't resist.

To this remark:

“I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country,”

SaracensAtTheGates replied:

Patently false. Cannibal immigrants from Papua New Guinea do not have a right to practice their ancient religion. Human sacrifice in accordance with Aztec sun god worship is not permitted. We can think of hundreds of religious practices that are not allowed in the United States.

While SaracentsAtTheGates is correct about certain fringe religious practices that are deemed to be against the law (a classic legal example being the decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in 1990 to outlaw the use of peyote by American Indians even if used in their religious ceremonies -- though apparently amendments by Congress were passed in 1994 that overturned most of that decision), his "patently false" requires a little discursive massage: The reason why that remark is so glibly popular these days and can be sustained by the majority beholden to the quantum ignorance of PC MC is because Muslims practice a two-track implementation of their religion in the Dar-al-Harb:

1) pretending that they are satisfied with a decaffeinated version of Islam representing a "Sharia Lite" (sans the stonings, amputations, wifebeating, apostasy executions, etc.)

2) meanwhile stealthily advocating and pushing for the only Sharia that Islam allows: full-blooded Sharia that necessarily includes certain practices that are, indeed, patently crimes under existing Western laws.

The perversity of PC MC is such that not only is the mainstream fooled by #1, they dismiss the threat presented by #2, sometimes even by denying that such Muslims exist at all, and by vilifying as "bigots" those who point them out, and who point out the normatively Islamic character of such full-blooded Sharia.

And I thought England was f****d.

The barbarians are no longer at the gates, they are in the White House.

God help this nation.

As expected tonight the Bama has fully endorsed the mosque of triumph. No doubt this is another Ramadan gift to the muslims. To hell with american feelings, to hell with the victims of islamic terror atacks on 9/11, the muslims are more important. I am beginning to think more and more that Bama is the manchurian president of sowdi arabia.

Don't forget who endorsed Obama's run for president.

"We like Mr. Obama, and we hope that he will win the elections," Ahmed Yousuf, Hamas' top political adviser in the Gaza Strip, said in an exclusive interview with WND and with the John Batchelor Show on WABC Radio in New York.

And @ Yusef YK: For a Muslim who pretends to be disdainful of Jihad Watch and everything it stands for, you spend an awful lot of time hanging around this site and keeping up with what's going on. If you would admit it, you're actually curious about the criticisms and analysis of Islam. Why?

Could it be you are ready to leave Islam, just like the millions who leave Islam every year?

Obama emphatically advocates community center for Muslims

President Obama delivered a strong defense late Friday of a proposed Muslim community center and mosque near Ground Zero, using a White House dinner celebrating Ramadan to proclaim that "as a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country."
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2012619107_obamamosque14.html

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Yes, we have a duty to protect freedom of religion 8%

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Partly, but the mosque's developers still should consider a more appropriate site 6%

Other (leave a comment) 3%

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/08/13/agree-obama-mosque-near-ground-zero-nyc/

The news of Obama's announcement made it to Indian news also ! And that is very unusual !!

The positive side is that it means that even Indians, usually not concerned about such things happening in other countries, feel strongly about it.

Hope for a global anti - jihad alliance !

Sanjay

And don't forget:

THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release


REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT AT IFTAAR DINNER

The East Room
7:01 P.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT: Please be seated. Thank you. Welcome to the White House. This is the fifth year in a row that it's been my honor to host an Iftaar in the State Dining Room.

Our distinguished guests represent the millions of Muslims that we're proud to call Americans, and many Islamic nations are represented here that America is proud to call friend. We welcome the representatives from many countries with large Muslim populations. I want to thank you all for coming to celebrate an honored tradition of the Muslim faith, and wish you a, "Ramadan Mubarak."

I want to thank those in my administration who have joined us. I want to thank the Imam for joining us today, and thank you for leading us in prayer after these short remarks. I want to thank all the ambassadors from the Organization of the Islamic Conference. I welcome other members of the Diplomatic Corps. And I want to thank the Muslim -- American Muslim leaders who are with us today. Thanks for taking time out to celebrate this important dinner.

Ramadan is the holiest time of the Muslim year. According to Islamic teaching, this month commemorates the revelation of God's word to the Prophet Muhammad in the form of the Koran. For more than a billion Muslims, Ramadan is a time of heartfelt prayer and togetherness. It is a time of fasting and personal sacrifice. It's a time to give thanks for God's blessings through works of charity.

One Muslim leader said: "It's a national and Islamic obligation to assist one's neighbors when they are in need." The American people saw that spirit as we recovered from Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. The world sees that spirit, that compassion of Islam, through the countless acts of kindness following the recent earthquake in southeast -- in South Asia.

America is fortunate to count such good-hearted men and women among our fellow citizens. We have great respect for the commitment that all Muslims make to faith, family, and education. And Americans of many backgrounds seek to learn more about the rich tradition of Islam. To promote greater understanding between our cultures, I have encouraged American families to travel abroad, to visit with Muslim families. And I have encouraged American families to host exchange students from the Muslim world. I have asked young Americans to study the language and customs of the broader Middle East. And for the first time in our nation's history, we have added a Koran to the White House Library. (Applause.)

All of us gathered tonight share a conviction that America must remain a welcoming and tolerant land, in which our people are free to practice any faith they choose. We reject every form of ethnic and religious discrimination. As I said in my second Inaugural Address, we cannot carry the message of freedom and the baggage of bigotry at the same time.

We also share a common hope for the future -- that our children and grandchildren will grow up in a safer and more peaceful world. Delivering on that promise to future generations requires action from our generation. We must stand confidently in the cause of freedom -- including the freedom of people everywhere to practice their faith in peace. We must also firmly oppose all who commit evil in God's name. I am grateful to the Muslim nations that have joined our coalition in the war on terror -- including many nations that have been victims of terror themselves.

As we work together to defeat the terrorists, we must be very clear about the enemies we face. The killers who take the lives of innocent men, women, and children are followers of a violent ideology very different from the religion of Islam. These extremists distort the idea of jihad into a call for terrorist murder against anyone who does not share their radical vision, including Muslims from other traditions, who they regard as heretics.

Their strategy will fail. Many Muslim scholars have already publicly condemned terrorism, often citing chapter 5, verse 32 of the Koran, which states that killing an innocent human being is like killing all of humanity, and saving the life of one person is like saving all of humanity. I appreciate those of you here who have joined these scholars in rejecting violent extremists. And I believe the time has come for all responsible Islamic leaders to denounce an ideology that exploits Islam for political ends, and defiles your noble faith.

I have great confidence in the future of this nation, and in the future of the Muslim world. I have been inspired by the courage of people in Afghanistan and Iraq, where Muslims are celebrating Ramadan in two of the world's newest democracies. I believe that people of every religious and ethnic background have the right and the desire to be free. And I believe that the spread of freedom and justice and tolerance in the broader Middle East will lead to the peace that we all seek.

As we celebrate this special Iftaar, we renew the ties of friendship that bind all those who trace their faith back to God's call on Abraham. We recognize the many hopeful works we have achieved together. We look forward to learning more from each other in the years ahead.

I'm so grateful that you joined us today. I wish you a blessed Ramadan, and may God bless you all. (Applause.)

Source: U.S. Department of State
_______________

The date of the speech above was October 17, 2005.
The President was George W. Bush.

So, the President is illegally promoting one religion (Islam) in his domestic and foreign policy, and even enforcing the Ramadan fast at the White House? Is he the Mahdi now, uniting all factions of the global jihad under the banner of "peace?" Remember that the Islamic view of peace is when the world is subjected to Sharia law.

Big Zero has to show his allegiance to his religion. Was anything else expected from him? How can some one not raised in this country up to the age of 10 or 11 and the spends 20 years in Wright's "church" and claiming he never ever heard those vile remarks by Wright during those 20 years, be expected to be loyal to this country. He despises everything this country stands for, his values are not American and hence he is systematically trying to destroy everything from within.

Next election, Americans can show who is the boss by throwing all these bums out!!!

"This is not a religious freedom issue. No one has ever understood the freedom of religion as granting an untrammeled license to build any structure anywhere, as long as it's religious."

Just so. Liberals always try to expand the meanings of the constitutional amendments to fit their sucker-hearted perspective. There are already 30 mosques in NYC, I understand, and stopping this one would in no way diminish or obstruct Islam or prevent the building of another mosque some place else. At the 9/11 site it would be viewed by most of the Muslim world as a symbol of triumph and will eventually be an important strategic jihad planning site after a few PR stunts.

Obama is either a stealth muslim or a very useful idiot.

"Obama is either a stealth muslim or a very useful idiot."

Oh you are being generous - everyone knows he is a Muslim!!!

Never thought I'd find myself even thinking this but: Dubya, come back!

"If you would admit it, you're actually curious about the criticisms and analysis of Islam. Why?"

I am not a Islam robot. Being exposed to criticism is important. If our iman (faith) is strong, we can handle. For example we got into a great discussion about tudung (head scarf) yesterday. People asked me "Why will you repress your women so much? It is a hateful thing to ask them to wear the tudung." The discussion lets me think of the merits of my position and the negatives as well. Because I face the same issue when I advocate for the banning of the niqab (face veil.)

Much, if not most, of the criticism of Muslims on this site is accurate. One particular example important to me is the nonsense in Indonesia currently. Or the actions of Al-Queda in Yemen, or the provokers in Kashmir. They make Muslims and non-Muslims suffer needlessly. Notice I said criticism of Muslims, that is, their actions. I find much of the religious criticism to be unfair at best.

And while posters here often tell me to shove my head into my anus, or tell me I'm an evil pedophile or whatever, that's strange. Especially strange is the people who tell me I'm lying, that I really hate them in secret or something. I'm a human just like them and just like you. Don't want anybody to kill anybody. Don't hate anybody.

Honestly this mosque issue doesn't matter to me or anybody I know, and it was wrong of me to provoke emotional response from them. Actually I understand - if someone builds a Hindu temple in the downtown of my country's city, also I will be quite upset. So I am sad for the people here who is upset.

Anyway I hope that answered your question.

It's called disgust, Yusef. Disgust with our spineless politicians and you arrogant, supremicist muslims. The time for talking "seriously" may still exist if we can find any muslims who are still rational. But I believe that war with islam is inevitable. Our two cultures simply cannot coexist.

No sale, Yusef. Your comments here are akin to poking a hornets' nest to enjoy the result.
You're a prime example of the sadistic bent endemic in islam. So I'm calling you a liar and a deliberate provocateur. Want to prove otherwise? Then I suggest you STFU and leave the hornets alone. Hornets have this tendency to sting when they're angry.

Hope that helps...



Rev. Franklin Graham, the evangelical minister who was disinvited by Obama from a Pentagon prayer service after concerns arose regarding his past offensive comments about Islam, is now accusing President Obama of "giving Islam a pass."

In an interview with Newsmax Television, Graham was asked if he though there was a "pattern of hostility to traditional Christianity by the Obama administration."

"I don't know if it's exactly from President Obama," Graham responded, "but I'm certain that some of the men around him are very much opposed to what we stand for and what we believe."

Graham continued, "It seems as though Muslims are getting a pass"

Rev. Graham was then asked by the host about mounting "secular oppression" in the United States.

"No question, it's coming," Graham says. "I think when you preach that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the light, I think we're going to see, one day, people will say this is hate speech."

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