Wow: Daisy Khan says opposition to Ground Zero mosque "like metastasized antisemitism"

Of course, Islam knows not a thing about the hatred of Jews. Except for passages like the ones found below (linked from pro-Islamic sources), including:

Qur'an 4:46, which says Allah has cursed the Jews for their disbelief.

Qur'an 5:41, which says the Jews love a lie.

Qur'an 5:51, which commands: "O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust."

Qur'an 5:64, which says Jews' goal is mischief/corruption in the land. See 5:33 for the penalty for that.

Qur'an 5:82, which says "Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans."

Qur'an 9:30, which castigates the Jews for extolling Ezra as the son of Allah (what?).

Then there's the good old ahadith. Sahih (i.e., sound, or reliable in the Sunni tradition) Bukhari 4.52.177: "Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Bottom line: Is Daisy Khan accusing us of hating Muslims as much as Allah hates Jews?

Of course, Khan & Co. know this is not about hate. Accusations of hatred are a cheap shot, and a desperate shot aimed at stopping substantive discussions. But we won't stop asking questions and demanding answers.

Anyway, you will want to read this one sitting down. "Islamic center leader says site is not moving," from Politico, August 22 (thanks to E H):

Daisy Khan, one of the leading organizers behind the mosque and Islamic community center near ground zero in New York City, said Sunday that moving the project to another location is not currently on the table.
"Right now it's not, until we consult with all our stakeholders," Khan told ABC News' "This Week with Christiane Amanpour." She appeared on the program with Rabbi Joy Levitt, executive director of the Jewish Community Center in Manhattan and an adviser on the project.
Khan said she believed the project would be built.
"Of course, it has to go ahead," she said. "There's so much at stake."
Asked if America was "Islamophobic," Khan responded that it's like "metastasized anti-Semitism."
"It's not even Islamophobia, it's beyond Islamophobia -- it's hate of Muslims," she said. "And we are deeply concerned."

No, it isn't, Daisy:

"I let no man drag me down so low as to make me hate him." - Booker T. Washington

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"And we are deeply concerned."

I'm sure you are Daisy, I'm sure you are.

Quote:

". . .Except for all of the passages below (linked from pro-Islamic sources):

as well as:

five daily prayers . . .
via Robert Spencer's “Blogging the Koran” :

The Fatiha (Opening) is the first sura (chapter) of the Qur’an and most common prayer of Islam. If you’re a pious Muslim who prays the five requisite daily prayers of Islam, you will recite the Fatiha seventeen times in the course of those prayers.

From Wafa Sultan’s book “A God Who Hates” pg. 168:
“A Muslim prays five times a day, and on each occasion he recites the Fatiha, the first verse of the Koran, a number of times. This verse describes Christians as “those who have gone astray” and Jews as “those who have incurred Your wrath.” We see from this that Muslims 'execrate' Christians and Jews a number of times in the course of a single prayer, which they repeat five times a day.


'execrate' - an enlightening term . . .let's explore, shall we?
via dictionary.com
execrateverb
1. to detest utterly; abhor; abominate.
2. to curse; imprecate evil upon; damn; denounce:
He execrated all who opposed him.

No mosque - anywhere, in which the call to prayer takes place, and in which congregants chant the fatiha - is interested in building bridges or extending tolerance. They are however fully intent on gaining exceptional degrees of tolerance from all non-believers. When it comes to Islam, tolerance is a one way street. Believe it or else.

Its amusing that a devout Muslim like Khan would accuse anyone outside of a Nazi of being anti-Semitic given the intense hatred Muslims have of Jews and how its built into their religion.

And no Khan won't back down. She has the President and most of the Democratic party and the press behind her.

This fight is going to go the full 15 rounds.

I just got off the Geraldo show on Fox News and Geraldo says Khan and the developers are ready to cave and move to a new location(?). This seemed unbelievable. However, reading Khan's words above makes more sense: A Victory Mosque must be near ground zero or it loses its effect.

Truth is islamophobic, to question is bigotry, to talk about the obvious is hate mongering and lying eyes to be sure. The west will perish under this. "And we are deeply concerned" too.

Yes, it is beyond Islamophobia. It is not a hatred of the poor soul who is trapped in a belief system that cannot "play well with others". It is a hatred of the belief system itself that has shown a 1400 year history of being incorrigible. Islam will never be reformed, and everyone knows it. This ideology must end up on the same ash heap as Marxist-Leninism/Communism -- or else the West will.

This is all well and fine. I am delighted by their insistence to build this giant mosque at GZ because it stirs up the debate about islam, and there is nothing better they could do to help us defeat them.

My only disappointment is to hear too often the anti-GZM say that building it some place else would be fine. There is no coherence in taking that position because either islam is bad and building a mosque is bad everywhere and building it at GZ becomes indeed outrageous, or islam is OK and building a mosque anywhere is more or less OK.

Framing the argument only as a sensitivity issue just because of the GZ area really takes most of the meat out of the debate. It confuses the issue and it ruins an incredible opportunity to raise the debate to the heart of the matter and make a huge number of people finally investigate islam. We can't pass this up.

The artist who painted "Atrocity 911" just came in my office and said "Geraldo is a lily-liver" and followed up with:

"The arrogance of those Muslims who pray to a black rock in a big box in Mecca never ceases to amaze me. Pagans see lies as truths. I find Daisy quite predictable and her hatred of Jews shows little imagination."

He then asked me to get off the message boards and help him answer all the email asking him to be in New York on Sept 11 with the painting

If you want to know what the 7ft x 14ft "Atrocity 911" painting looks like, the painting thousands are calling the 911 Memorial, please click: http://www.marcrubin.com/TANROOM.ivnu


"It's NOT EVEN Islamophobia, it's BEYOND Islamophobia."

Correct.

It's gone beyond Islamophobia and directly to reasoned, informed concern.

Hey Daisy, it's not our fault that Islamic history is readily available for anyone who wants to read it. If you want to be "concerned," be concerned with the legacy your forebears left you.

They've found themselves -- quite unexpectedly I'd imagine -- up against a LOT of people who "have their number," and so they'll huff and they'll post and they'll smear whom they can to try to keep the petrodollar$-pipeline from collapsing due to lack of volume.

Methinks the nastiness from Mo's camp has only just begun.

"Opponents of the center, which would include a prayer room..."
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This line from the below-linked Reuters story strikes me as completely ridiculous and only illustrates the lengths to which the mosque supporters/enablers will go to defend it.

Did it not start out as being a full-fledged "mosque?"

Is my memory failing me that badly?!

Then, as a little heat was applied, did it not become "just one area" of the center, amongst many, that would be the "mosque?"

More heat now, and it's being described as merely "a prayer ROOM."

What's next? A "prayer corner?" A "prayer cubicle?" A "prayer drawer?"

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67J45U20100822

Someone has to build a Ground Zero mosque, which means construction workers have to build it. What kind of people might we expect them to be? We could look to the past to hope men and women of this nation haven't lost their zeal for this nation when it's under threat. Kathy Shaidle has this blast from the past:

http://www.fivefeetoffury.com/:entry:fivefeet-2010-05-07-0000/

Great post!

There really isn't much to work with here is there? To incorporate this hatred into their very prayers and repeat it 17 times a day? Who are they kidding when they speak to the rest of us? Themselves?

Its projection, nothing but projection.

Muslims are trained in accusing their accusers. Its a persistent pattern through the ages...

"Metastatized anti-semitism"????

You mean like the metastatized anti-semitism that has long spread itself and entrenched itself across the Muslim world??

So now we're the tumors, eh Daisy ol' gal? Well, it takes one to know one!

Right, El, they're cranking $100 Million into this 15-story building for a swimming pool (kuffar not allowed) and a basketball court (shirts but no skins). That little "mosque" thing was just an after-thought! And of course it has NOTHING to do with Ground Zero, that's just islamic "destiny," according to the Mistress of Mendacity. And she's "hand-holding" with the 9/11 families. Such a Mother Theresa she is!

Think they bargained for what they're getting? Me neither! And it is WAY far from over...

"Those in Osama bin Laden's strict Wahabbi faction of the Sunni branch of Islam consider the offshoot of Sufism espoused by Abdul Rauf a degenerate form of the religion." I read that online somewhere-

The deep rooted hate between the Sunnies MoSlums and the other MoSlums would probably means the Saudies/Pakies/Iraqies etc would not fund the GZ MoQ with a nickel. The only country will contribute to funds is Iran - which is 100% anti-Semitic. Does Rabbi Joy Levitt not know where Mrs Daisy is coming from?

If GZM were allowed to build, it will break any chance of bridge building between MoSlums and non-Moslums. In fact 19 terrorists of Osama were all Sunni sected MoSlum. Sunnies will hate the GZM more than us. That will bring a whole load of Islamic fanatics who will try to destroy it long before any nut job American will do that.

These are more reasons not to build it Ms Daisy: if built, the bridge-building will not take off, because more than 70% of Americans will hate you more for that; why should the New Yorkers put up with the blood bath between the Sunnies and other MoSlum sects?

Here it is, 9 years after 9/11, and the people are finally saying with a full-throat to our leaders (so-called, given the “leadership” they’re providing), ENOUGH.

We should look upon the GZ mosque proposal as a much-welcomed catalyst, a provoking last straw. Look at how many people are both animated about this issue in particular and about Islam in general, and who have become knowledgeable about Islam, its practices, and its insidious methods of undermining our form of government. I for one am cheered and encouraged that this knowledge about Islam is spreading. No longer are people willing to believe our odious pols and the devious Muslim advocates instructing us, “Who are ya gonna believe, us or your lyin’ eyes?”

Fortunately people are now believing their lying eyes. They see with those eyes exactly what Islam is all about. Jihadwatch, atlasshugged, religionofpeace, and others are laying out for all to see what Islam is all about. We have Europe as our mine canary. Islam is entrenched in Europe, and it ain’t pretty. This is in store for us.

Fewer and fewer Americans are willing to let themselves be MSM patsies,
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/08/have_you_ever_noticed.html
(Tag line: “So, to the Left: Have you ever noticed that those really dumb people in flyover country aren't so stupid after all?”)
http://www.gallup.com/poll/142133/confidence-newspapers-news-remains-rarity.aspx
http://www.stateofthemedia.org/2009/narrative_overview_publicattitudes.php?media=1

And fortunately there is some common sense among some state legislators who are trying to head Sharia’h off at the pass.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/4342-states-take-preemptive-strike-against-shariah

The resentment level being generated by this GZ mosque will not ebb with time. Predictably it will increase. This story broke on a wider scale sometime in the Spring, and it has received more and more traction as more and more Americans have found out what's going on. And they don't like it one bit. Americans are not about to let this one go. Muslims attacked us based on an ideology, their ideology. For their successful surprise attack on innocents the Muslims now want to gloat over us, celebrating their "victory." We may have piss-poor leaders, for which the people themselves can be rightly blamed, but at heart Americans are decent people who don't like being played for fools.

If this mosque is ever built it will be one painful experience. Already the unions are pledging not to work on the building, and this is a certain sign that anyone foolish enough to work as a non-union laborer is going to have a hard go of it.

And even if it’s ever completed, Americans are not going to forget the provocation represented by this monstrous building. There will be constant protests. If nothing else, September 11 will come around every year. The Muslims and their foolish ritualistic nonsense ceremonies, Ramadan, Eid Al-Fitr, Eid Al-Adha, the Friday-lets-kill-the-Kuffir sermons, will all be reminders of what the Muslims, inspired by Islam’s core texts, did on 9/11 and how Islam continues to rub our faces in it.

These developers do not really know what they're getting themselves into nor of the level of anger that will build.

Daisy Khan cannot be that naive. Hate is a wrong word purposely chosen by her to obfuscate & mislead.

Everyone is actually SCARED of them. Their ideology to be precise. All that they have been doing is swell in numbers , threatening the rest to embrace Islam. The gullible get swayed by the sophisticated exterior of Daisy Khans , Jordan's Queen Rania & Shabana Azmis of this world as the representative faces of Islam.

Let go of all discussions of religion. Whatever happened to decency , sensitivity above all EMPATHY ?

That there are so many among them so audaciously insisting on building a muticulti mosque right in America in that very spot is chillingly eloquent. In India every year they make a big issue of alleged ' babri demolition '. That necessitates elaborate security measures by the dhimmi government of India. A lie by vociferous assertions does metamorphose into truth it seems.

Whereas Godhra train mass incineration of Hindus is forgotten. One hindu mechanic called Jagannathan was brutally tortured & killed by fellow muslim passengers as soon as the ship left for high seas from Mumbai. To vent their rage on some *cartoons*. Nobody bothered including the alleged pro hindu BJP. A lot of blue collar hindu employees are coerced into embracing Islam in muslim countries. When Indian Airlines flight was hijacked to kandahar in Afghanistan my Indian muslim friends as sophisticated & articulate as Daisy Khan JUSTIFIED it.

Whereas one MF Hussain can scribble any way he wants Hindu Gods / Goddesses vocally supported by suave Saeed Naqvis & leftists of India in the name of "artistic freedom".

Kudos to Winston Churchill who so trenchantly described the lot of an appeaser.

As , today the leftist hindu chief minister of Kerala who had no qualms about tangoeing with muslims for decades belatedly laments about "islamization of kerala".

Who wants to discuss fine points in respective religions in the name of cute & petite "interfaith dialogues":(( None of the jihadist suicide bombers have come back to confirm the existence of seven virgins / seven raisins. Period.

It is a question of the very SURVIVAL of us the Infidels.

" Framing the argument only as a sensitivity issue just because of the GZ area really takes most of the meat out of the debate. It confuses the issue and it ruins an incredible opportunity to raise the debate to the heart of the matter and make a huge number of people finally investigate islam. We can't pass this up ".

Precisely. All that their countless mosques & preachings have wrought is nothing but mindless destruction. Presuming they are the most pious , compassionate yadayada why not build not one but many in Saudi Arabia , Iran & Pakistan ??

There are lots & lots of disgruntled angry muslims in India. Who can be comfortably accommodated in them , fed & looked after.In one stroke can solve India's problems too.

http://newstime.co.nz/islam-is-a-pervert-kindergarten.html
TRUE FOLLOWER OF THE PEDOPPHILE MASS MURDERER MUHAMMMAD'S EVIL TEACHING AND TAQIYYAH VISAGEN (3:28; 5:51) DAISY KAHN

8:65 "O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight."

3:110 "Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind" (Muslims)

vs.

8:55 "vilest of animals" (kuffar, unbelievers) 98:6

The same concept of Allah for "Adolf Nazi" and his Aryan cult, subhuman e.g. the Jews who he extermintat in gas-chambers, by an idea of Al-Husseine Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

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"I for one am cheered and encouraged that this knowledge about Islam is spreading."
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I am too, Frank! I have never seen so many news story slug lines containing the terms "Sharia" and "Islamic Supremacist" and the like; terms we have very rarely seen used so much before outside of organizations like JW and Atlas.

It's great! The more people learn about Sharia and the supremacist ambitions of Islam, the more they'll come to their own conclusions about what's really going on.

"The trouble with the world is not that people know too little, but that they know so many things that ain't so."

-Mark Twain

Daisy Khan knows very well it is wahabism & jihadism when challenged has "metastasized" into sufism. Her cancer analogy paradoxically suits them so well. That allegedly cancer stricken Lockerbie bomber has conquered even cancer!

Daisy is deeply concerned? ...but apparently not enough to do anything meaningful about it.

Instead, she reinforces the 'bad press' that islam is receiving -- and deserves, btw -- by stating that "moving the project to another location is not currently on the table."

Basically, Daisy has flipped-off the majority of those against this building project, and then turns right around and wonders why muslims are hated (according to her). My violin is a little rusty, Daisy Dear, but allow me to play it for you.

The woman isn't clueless, she knows EXACTLY what she is doing ...

"The woman isn't clueless, she knows EXACTLY what she is doing ..."

Daisy is a master manipulator, as are many muslims.

It's that self-pitying victimization again, ignoring that Islam from a deep, black bottom and up is murky anti-Semitism, from the earliest days until now. Right from the day I suspect an incredulous rabbi laughed at the Muslim prophet Muhammad's self-serving and preposterous claims ....I am convinced Muhammad did not like that in the least: I can almost see a tight little smile. Then followed the not insignificant "revelations" that laid the ground for the subjugation and extermination of the Jewish tribes.
The believing Muslims tend to project their own feelings by accusing others of the same. "It's not even Islamophobia, it's beyond Islamophobia -- it's hate of Muslims." Sometimes I wonder whether they really have no idea why infidels oppose their religious claims and demands? Or are they so blinded by the Quran´s claim of singularity, truth and supremacy that they are totally unable to even consider an objective point of view?

They're trying to start a rumble. The rumble starts, people get hurt, and the gov't moves in to "protect" First Amendment rights and the Muselmen from the "haters." Then, Hummers and MP's will be seen on the streets of NYC for the first time since the 9/11 period.

I may be wrong and I hope I am, but it really feels like a concerted effort is being made to enrage us; and why poke the hornet's nest if you don't really want pissed off hornets coming after you?

I'm concerned that a lot of people are being lassoed into affirming mosques in general. Mosques support theocratic totalitarianism at least as much as they represent a religion, so people shouldn't be so ready to support the existence of mosques in general, not as they currently are, not if it's true that some 80% of U.S. mosques are Wahabi-influenced or controlled. They can't be opposed on a religious basis, but they can be opposed as seditious.

Daisy Khan is actually doing us a service. The racism allegation is her last bullet and if it doesn't stick, well then her slurs are going to boomerang.

Apparently, the term islamophobia does not have the desired effect anymore. Therefore, she chose the term "metastasized anti-Semitism."

This is a sign of desparation. But, you must watch out and makes sure in each and every interview that the slur is unjustified.

Pamela Geller always says that she loves muslims, but she is against the islamization of America. She should point to individual muslims she supports, like Irshad Manji, Bassam Tibi, ... muslims who really want a secular society. Thereby, she disproves the "racism" allegation.

She should point out why she is against orthodox Islam. In my opinion she should mention the death penalty for apostacy in Islam, this is shariah law. Mr. Rauf is for shariah law.

The punishment for apostacy is such a glaring violation of freedom of speech, freedom of conscience and freedom of religion. You are against orthodox Islam because you are for freedom of religion.

This should be the next step in the public discussion. Turning the principle of freedom of religion into an argument against the mosque.

Any idiot can rip Qur'anic verses out of its context, but that doesn't mean that it says what Spencer wants it to say.

The verses referred to by Marisol (and not Robert Spencer) are calling particular attention to the Jew in the context of passages that separate the believers from the unbelievers, the friends from the enemies, the submitting from those who do not understand.

Metastasized anti-Semitism? And this from the religion that made Mesopotamia, Jewry's 2d homeland, Judenrein during the 1940's-60's? Or which empties Egypt of Jews, when they had lived there since the days of Jeremiah, if not before? And this from the religion which says it's practicing on "Saturday People" before taking on "Sunday People"?

Blue Raven, I wouldn't put too much stock in any comment about Abdul Rauf's "Sufism" vs. Mainline Sunnism (or Shi'ism). Our elite in both government and media operate in a 1960's-70's paradigm when it comes to traditional religions, in which the intellectual/doctrinal forms of a theistic faith are bad, and mysticism is good--i.e., you may keep your heart; we logical postivists and Marxist demand your brain.

Further, being ignorant of history, these sophomoric nincompoops who lead us and shape our opinions don't know that "peaceful" Sufis were behind many a jihad in many parts of the world.

The aftermath of 9/11 shows that our current PeeCee, multi-cultie New Left elite has got to go.

@Eleanor,
interesting point, and I have to confess to having harboured similar qualms, especially with BO's greenlighting of this deliberate insult. . .viz-à-viz a potent catalyst for martial law and repeal of the 2nd.

"viz-à-viz a potent catalyst for martial law and repeal of the 2nd."
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yep. scary thought. scary times.

If we all keep our heads as Robert, Marisol and Hugh do then the middle ground, the flyover, is secured. The Constitution was beaten to steel on the anvil of sense and sensibility, and the rights of the states are written in stone. Do not be pushed to give federal gov an excuse to set brother against brother and rob both of their self defence.

I'm really fed up with comparing anti-Semitism to Islamophobia. It's so utterly wrong. Anti-Semitism stems from some nebulous ideas and prejudices against Jews, whereas Islamophobia is well-founded in the Koran and in history. I once rubbished a book titled "Anti-Semitism and Islamophobia - a Comparison" There are people who say this comparison is obscene, I fully agree.

Daisy is the reincarnation of Tokyo Rose...Both of them are vegetation...Flowers to be exact...But while most flowers are attractive, their main purpose is to spread seeds...Rose spread the seeds of Japanese imperialism, and anxiety and doubt to American troops...Daisy spreads the seeds of Islam and waters them with abundant taqiyya and out right lies...
Both of them were/are enemies of America...

DAISY and ALL GZM VICTORY MOSQUE SUPPORTERS ARE IN FACT THE MOST HORRIBLE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO HUMILIATE AMERICA AGAIN IN THE GLEEFULL VIEW OF ALL THE MUSLIM WORLD.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ! WE DO NOT NEED THESE SO-CALLED NATURALIZED AMERICAN MUSLIM CITIZENS WHO ARE DESTROYING AMERICA FROM INSIDE BIT BY BIT AND LITTLE BY LITTLE !
IF THEY TRULY LOVE THIS COUNTRY, THEY SHOULD BE ASKING THE SAUDIS TO ALLOW A CHRISTIAN CHURCH OR A JEWISH TEMPLE BE BUILT IN MECCA OR MEDINA AS A RECIPROCAL GESTURE OF RESPECT !


"It's gone beyond Islamophobia and directly to reasoned, informed concern."

WOW! I mean even as an ideological rival I'm cringing FOR you lady. Are you sure that's what you wanted to say? Because if you think anything reasoned and informed can proceed from an irrational fear, well lets just say you've got waaaaay bigger issues.

One human being to another, maybe you should disengage from the debate for a bit, spend some time with your family, go on a retreat, take a cruise or something. I'm not being sarcastic, I mean it in all sincerity.

It's gone beyond Islamophobia and directly to reasoned, informed concern."

WOW! I mean even as an ideological rival I'm cringing FOR you lady. Are you sure that's what you wanted to say? Because if you think anything reasoned and informed can proceed from an irrational fear, well lets just say you've got waaaaay bigger issues.
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Dearest Dank,

It comes as no surprise to me that just like a Muslim/apologist you take my thoughts and twist, twist, TWIST!

First of all, fearing the supremacist ideology of Islam is not unreasonable or irrational, and no free-thinking, halfway "aware", and halfway honest person could claim it is. I'm well versed in Islam's history and all it has "accomplished" in all the areas of the earth where it has had influence, or utter dominance.

"Islamophobia!!!" is nothing more than a puerile, whining cry that's equivalent to misued shouts of "RACISM!!" except that "Racism!!" can sometimes be an honest observation, whereas "Islamophobia!" never is.

It's a dishonest word invented by people like you in order to smear critics and shut down opposition.

Getting BEYOND the meaningless and obfuscatory cries of "Islamophobia" is to get BEYOND such meaningless drivel; to learn about Islam from the approved-for-Muslim ISLAMIC sources and make reasonable judgements based on history and fact.

As a Muslim/apologist, I know that level of reasoned thought is beyond you Dank, as you've displayed here before, but thanks for your oh-so-sincere concerns anyway.

~Eleanor

If America is full of Islamophobes and Muzlim, and I prefer to use the word "distrusters", then it is because the devout followers and "pushers" of the ideology has brought it on themselves.
A Muslim, moderate or otherwise, must ask him/herself if he loves Allah more than his own life. Spiritually, he must ask whether he is willing to sacrifice himself in Allah's Cause against Shay’tan’s power and the infidel's military forces, namely the US and the west? Politically, Islam then migrates into, usurps, and divides the country into two warring camps. All states under Islamic rule are the “Land of Peace (dar al-Islam)” while the non-believing nations are called, the Land of War (dar al-Harb). A Muslim then asks himself if he should participate in bringing Allah's rule over the infidels and hypocrites by entering into jihad. Rationally, the answers to those questions are abundantly understood from the teachings of Mohammad. His only hurdle to overcome is the “fear of death” and that is easily conquered by the childhood and lifetime indoctrination of “the promise of the martyr” (promise of sexual ecstasy in paradise). Once this emotional fear has passed, the person joyfully takes up the sword to kill and be killed in Allah's Cause, anticipating his entrance into the gates of heavenly Paradise.
"O ye who believe! Lo! Many of the (Jewish) rabbis and the (Christian) monks devour the wealth of mankind wantonly and debar (men) from the way of Allah. They who hoard up gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allah, unto them give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom. Sura 9:34"
It is, not so much, Islamic religion that people feel threatened by but political Islam and its jurisprudence in sharia law. "Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it was best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors." Sura 3:111

When Muslim clerics make rulings based on 1400 year-old religious beliefs sent down by a literal lunatic (created an ideology based on a lunar deity) who claimed to be a prophet or a messiah then they, the non-believing population, have every right to be alarmed by this threat.

I am in utter shock at CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR.Now she is from IRAN and is or was married to a JEWISH and US politician.Apparently Amanpour is so unprofessional and lacking in knowledge that it never ocurred to her to ask Daisy:

1.Your husband RAUF TWICE refused to condemn HAMAS,which approves of Ben Laden and killing th 3,000 Americans.Do YOU condemn Hamas as terrorists?Just a YES or NO,only that.

2.FORMER MUSLIMS UNITED in 2009 sent YOU and also another one to your huband,via email,a PETITION(called "Freedom Pledge")where they asked you to sign a statement saying you were AGAINST the Sharia law that is for KILLING EX-MUSLIMS.Why did you NOT sign it?Are YOU against killing ex-muslims here and everywhere,YES or NO,just a YES or NO?

By the way they had sent it to FIFTY Muslim organizations in the US,and to over ONE HUNDRED Muslim leaders in those 50 organizations and....ONLY TWO have signed it(one of them was the anti-Ground Zero Mosque Muslim DR ZUHDI JASSER).

Here is FMU's great website:

http://formermuslimsunited.americancommunityexchange.org/

@minoria
Take it from me, C.A is an able deceiver.

Moving the Mosque location would be to dilute their supremacist message to the world. In a way, I am pleased to know that they are "stuck" with defending the location.

One of the real questions is are Americans and people in the West open to face our common enemies when the truth is exposed?

Hey, take a loooong walk off of a short plank, I mean this in all sincerity ...

Khan:
"It's basically become a place where ideas can be exchanged, but tolerance, mutual respect can also be extended."

I worry about Daisy's mental health - she's becoming increasingly delusional.

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Ground Zero Mosque Boycott Campaign
http://groundzeromosqueboycott.wordpress.com/


..."but it really feels like a concerted effort is being made to enrage us" ...

Yes! I think that they DO want to enrage us, yet they cleverly point to our reactions instead of their provocation. Talk about their being mentally & emotionally abusive ...muslims seem to thrive on this type of abuse, along with physical abuse, as well.

"It's not even Islamophobia, it's beyond Islamophobia -- it's hate of Muslims," she said. "And we are deeply concerned."

Really? Do the Muslims opposed to the mosque hate Muslims???

Modern science has made great strides in the treatment of mental illness, Mrs. Rauf. Seek professional help today - we're deeply concerned about your severe psychosis.

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Ground Zero Mosque Boycott Campaign
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Apt comparison, duh_swami. Daisy Khan is indeed a Tokyo Rose type. And, just like Rosie, the more Daisy talks the more ridiculous she comes across. Really, between her and her husband, they are unwittingly doing their bit to make Americans more aware of all the inherent anti-American elements in Islam.

America........ don't be so gullible because if you remain this way it will change the way you live and here is why:

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2010/08/must-view-islamic-poke-in-eye-for-usa.html

President Barack Obama supports the "Victory Mosque at ground zero while 65% or more of America says NO to this construction. Since the President says he is a Muslim ( http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28 ) ( http://therealrevo.com/blog/?p=30879 ) ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded )or so he says and he is to embarassed to actually tell us all the truth (again), then it is evident that he does not care about any of the Americans killed on 9/11 but only about the feelings of Islamists who want to build this grand "Victory Mosque".

Attached are videos #1, #2, #3, #4 & #5 of what our President supports and what kind of "Change" he wants to bring to America. Change that is NOT in the best interests of America and our laws.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpM6QKaAgP0&feature=player_embedded

http://www.meetup.com/Informing-for-conservatism/messages/boards/thread/9579169/#37254392

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-DbwJtnus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/07/shariah-law-and-english-law.html

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2010/08/must-view-islamic-poke-in-eye-for-usa.html

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/pat-condell-on-ground-zero-mosque-is-it-possible-to-be-astonished-but-not-surprised.html

http://therothshow.com/2010/08/islamic-domination-and-rule-on-its-way-with-new-york-mosque/


Flight 93, Shanksville, Pennsylvania fields, there is also another Muslim victory site being constructed as we speak!

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/07/911-hero-family-member-ground-zero-mosque-is-the-second-mosque-being-built-on-a-911-site-.html

Sharia compliant banks: http://sioe.wordpress.com/sharia-compliant-banks/ - Do you know if your money in these banks is being used wisely?

Muslims need a place to pray in New York is a complete scam:
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/muslims-in-manhattan-need-a-place-to-pray

New York mosque controversy worries Muslims overseas - LA Times

They're beginning to sound worried. Some choice quotes, some valid, others usual taqiyuya:

"Rejecting this has become like rejecting Islam itself," said Ahmad Moussalli, a professor of Islamic Studies at the American University of Beirut.

[Point noted, and rejected.]

Houses of worship are humdrum affairs in the Muslim world and many ordinary Muslims wonder primarily whether the mosque is "needed," meaning simply whether Muslims in that neighborhood now have nowhere else to pray. Some appear baffled that anyone in their right mind would scoff at a $100-million private-sector investment at a time of global economic crisis.

[Use your 'economic development' money in Pakistan's flood devastated regions, rather than on a 'victory' mosque at Ground Zero. "Humdrum affair"? Sure, built victory mosques over fallen churches and temples, or masjids over places of battle.]

"Building a mosque there will increase hatred between Muslims and non-Muslims in the West," said Gamal Awad, a professor at Cairo's Al Azhar University. "It will further connect Islam with a horrible event."

[Note: one side has been full of hatred for 1400 years, the other is just waking up now.]

But many Muslims tuning in to the debate see a demonization of their religion by some Americans, who have been painting the 1,400-year-old faith as a dangerous political ideology. They bristle at the ignorance of politicians who argue that the structure should not be allowed because Muslims don't allow churches in their countries.

[Yup, reciprocity is just not a Muslim thing.]

"What is important is the symbolic dimension to the issue," said Zaki Saad, a former leader of the Jordanian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, called the Islamic Action Front. "When they connect all Muslims to Sept. 11, that means they connect terrorism and extremism to Islam. This is a form of discrimination and unacceptable."

[Muslim Brotherhood, smooth lying taqiyya, their usual thing, 'unacceptable' to us.]

Fazel Maybodi, a moderate Iranian cleric... "A mosque in ground zero is good for promotion of democracy and peaceful coexistence of people all over the world," he said.

[Never never land. How do you "promote democracy" when so many are against it?]

"It is very important to have mosques and Islamic learning centers, especially abroad," said Bassem El Tarrass, a Lebanese cleric who preaches at several mosques. "If there is no mosque, people will go the Internet to learn about Islam, and perhaps come across extremists like the ones who carried out Sept. 11."

[Or, they will visit the internet to learn the truth about Islam, Sharia, Jihad, etc.]


They just don't get it, do they? They should be afraid, very afraid, because now we get it.

sonofwalker: While I'd like to think that US workers will fiercely resist this project, I wonder if there might be an end-run around such opposition by bringing in foreign labor, as was done in the UAE for the mega-projects there. The concerned citizen should be watchful for any legislation on the floor of Congress that might open the way for such labor.

This could be comical if it weren't for the fawning attention these so called "people of faith" are given by very gullible public officials, a brain dead media and a populace inculcated with the dogma that "Islam is a religion of peace."

This is an existential stranglehold on the American psyche that Rauf, his wife Daisy Khan and all of the long and well established Muslim support organizations, CAIR, MAS, ISNA, IIIT, MSA, etc., etc., all tied in one way or another with the Muslim Brotherhood, have assiduously cultivated over decades as they attempt to ultimately replace "man made law," the U.S. Constitution, with "Gods" law, Sharia.

How many times must it be said that this Mosque is a symbol that all in the Muslim world will see as a monument to their eventual, inevitable conquest over America whom they blame for every misery in their miserable lives. Contrary to promoting peace and harmony this Ground Zero mosque will embolden the Jihadist and likely result in an increase in violent attacks here and around the world and that, I contend, is the real impetus behind this affront.

We allow this to be built at 51 Park Place at our peril.

maxilo:

Precisely the point I've been making. I thought I was the only person on Earth to see this elementary logical problem. Glad to know there are at least two of us.

Actually, Hesperado, I'm in agreement with maxilo too. I've never said, nor will say, that building this or that mosque somewhere else in the United States is a good thing. It's a legal thing, because the American Constitution protects even totalitarian ideologies, but that doesn't mean it's a positive. No mosque built anywhere in America makes America a better country.

I look forward to the day when Islam will still be legal, just as Neo-Nazism and Marxism are, but will be derided, shunned and dismissed as a religion for the detritus of the human race. When that happens, and it will, few mosques will arise anymore in a nation which is almost infinitely finer all around than the entire Islamic world has ever been.

"Daisy is the reincarnation of Tokyo Rose..."

Maybe she deserves a similar nickname, like Ikhwan Daisy.

Of course, it has to go ahead," she said. "There's so much at stake." Daisy Khan

Yeah Daisy, we know what is 'at stake' and we want none of it. As for her comparison to 'mestasticized anti-semitism', Daisy's scraping the bottom of the barrel with that one, hoping it will shame nasty Americans into giving up the battle. I have a sneaky suspicion that these people are as clueless of the American psyche as the Obama administration. They didn't expect the overwhelming opposition and don't know how to handle it because we fat, lazy Americans are supposed to be involved with our trivial personal lives and creature comforts, not fully engaged with current events.

But one thing you can count on from lying muslim hypocrites and the corrupt media is name calling and judgmental posturing. When people disagree with liberal dogma, they are ignorant, racist, bigoted rubes who must be 'educated' about islam, even when it's 70% of the American people! Gee, I never knew we were all so dumb. I force myself to watch Katie Couric on the 6:30 news every night so I can honestly say I don't get all my news from Fox. Then I watch Fox to see what she either omitted or edited.

The damned media are flabbergasted that after almost nine years, the American people are not convinced that terrorism has nothing to do with islam, over 15,000 muslim terrorist attacks and hundreds of thwarted attacks notwithstanding. They have done their best to plant that lie in our collective subsconscious, but I guess we're just too stupid to fall for it.

BlueRaven wrote:

The deep rooted hate between the Sunnies MoSlums and the other MoSlums would probably means the Saudies/Pakies/Iraqies etc would not fund the GZ MoQ with a nickel.
................

Respectfully, I do not believe this is so, Raven. The presence of a triumphalist mosque right at Ground Zero would be seen as such a coup for Islam that I imagine the "Cordoba Institute" has Islamic funders of all stripes lining up.

Just look at the situation in the Levant—even though most Sunnis murderously hate Shi'ites, local Muslims are more than happy to see Iranian-backed Hizb'allah attack Israel—because they hate the Jews even more than they do each other.

The various Muslim sects can–and would, just look at history—battle it out after weakening the hated Infidel.

Maxilo, I see, and agree with, your logic.

But, living in Holland, following the debates in politics and media, and trying whenever I can, to discuss the issue of Islam and Democracy I find a number of concerns;

- First; if we are to be logic and coherent, what are we FOR, if we are against Islam or parts of Islam? Are we Democracy-loyalists, opposing Theocracy-loyalists? Because we are convinced that at least a part of Islamic laws flatly contradict our own vital laws? How many people know or think that and thus are FOR Democracy-loyalty and AGAINST theocracy-loyalty? And are we this only on a national or on a worldwide scale?

- Second, do we or do we not hold Muslims living in secular democracies accountable for their simple choice for Islam? Or if we don't can we in future demand a loyalty-statement from them for the secular democratic system over and above the Islamic system? As the Danes are already doing, I read.

Because the danger from Islam is simply NOT perceived by the masses in Democratic countries as high or even probable. And thus the situation is not like the one in America after Pearl Harbor, when US authorities quarantained Japanese citizens. Meaning democracy-loyalists seem to have a lot of time and room to manoeuvre. Which they need as well.

Because being democracy-loyalist people should be absolutely determined to win the war of democratic system of government and laws over the Islamic one in only a democratic and also peaceful way if possible.

And that requires swaying the public opinion which in turn requires finding a way to hold Muslims in secular democracies accountable for their choice regarding government system and laws.

Because only if the general public opinion is convinced that Muslims are by and large in favor of a competitor of the very system the general public lives in and adheres to,

only then this public opinion will want, and bring forth, politicians who are willing to fight for the democratic system and against the Islamic one.

And these political leaders will then start to be intolerant to the intolerant, as you and I find only reasonable and logical.

Great post, Eleanor!

I am delighted too because of the opportunities this Islamic blunder offers.

Dank, I think, insulted you, about having problems and in need of a vacation, in an effort to discourage and disparage you, it's just one more tactic, against a strong opponent.

Hope you and yours are well.

Miss Eleanor,

Dank is just doing what Muslim men do best, taking his frustrations out on a woman. He's just P.O.'d because everyone is waking up and he and his fellow Muslims can't run their game anymore with out a big giggle. Keep up the good work!

And Dank, Islamophobia is so yesterday. I get that you guys don't understand science and that no one can read the Qu'ran unless it's in Arabic, blah, blah blah, but c'mon, you can come up with something better than that, can't you?

Tater salad wrote:

Flight 93, Shanksville, Pennsylvania fields, there is also another Muslim victory site being constructed as we speak!

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/07/911-hero-family-member-ground-zero-mosque-is-the-second-mosque-being-built-on-a-911-site-.html
.................

Thanks for reminding us of the appallingly-named "Crescent of Embrace", Tater Salad.

Everyone not familiar with this vicious "memorial" should check out the link, or search the JihadWatch archives for "Crescent of Embrace".

Ms Kahn is sounding desperate. She and her husband have been operating in the shadows for so long they had begun to take for granted that they would be able to continue indefinitely like this. Then Pamela and Robert flipped a switch and - ShaZamm - a bright public spotlight was suddenly turned on that showed New Yorkers and Americans what they were up to. Surprised and flabbergasted, she and her husband don't know what to do and are reduced to sputtering.

Don't let them out of the spotlight, Robert. The public needs to get to know not only them a lot better, but all their friends now rushing in to rescue them and provide them with escape.

Excellent post!

" "When they connect all Muslims to Sept. 11, that means they connect terrorism and extremism to Islam".


Who is responsible for this "connecting terrorism..."? Certainly not us the non muslims.We have heard from many moderates jihad stands for internal conquest. So muslims must be engaging fellow muslims among them in protracted haranguing NOT US.

What better place to do this than Iran, Pakistan, Somalia, Afghanistan??

Daisy Khans & her admirers must be spending their energies on Iran's demented thug helping him in his "internal conquest". If only daisy khan of this world could preoccupy herself with internal conquest for which her own house would suffice , would not be gunning for a multiculti centre and spitting venom on the rest of us.

Thank you, Demsci, for the vote of confidence! Insults are a dime a dozen with these guys - they don't have any other way to go because their arguments FAIL every time. That's why they had to invent pernicious little nothing-terms like "Islamophobia" to try and counter resistance.

All is well here, and I hope yours are well too! :D

~El

Hello Miss Isabella!

Yes, it's true:

Dankie-do what Mo-men do,
nothing new for me, for you,
or dinky Dankie-do!

:D

Mrs. Khan is correct, and the multiple clearly bigoted posts here testify to the truth of her statement.

Shame on all of you.

No she's not correct, she's scared, and as a result she's lashing out at her detractors with anything she can think of, but what she can think of (essentially yelling "racism and bigotry" squared) is not working as well as it used to, for some strange reason.

The troublesome "bigots and Islamophobes" aren't backing off so easily.

The problem is that ordinary Americans/Westerners have begun to educate themselves about Islam by reading what Muslims read, and consequently, the level of understanding in this country has increased. Lo and behold that's not good for stealth-jihad!

The principal proponents of this thing are all scared: about losing funding, about losing face, and about becoming pariahs where once they were celebrities and notables.

But, they only have themselves, their arrogant, impatient ambitions, and their own writings and spoken words to blame for the mess they've found themselves in.

Surely, "Allah" cannot be pleased.

jeffmcm,

You may want to see people respect Muslims more? I see. But there are now a growing number of Ex-Muslims too. We ask in return a lot more respect for them from people like you. Why can't you respect what their opinion is? They do support the system you presumably live in with all their heart.

Whereas it is the ex-Muslims that inform you and, strangely enough, many Muslims too, that Islam has an ideology, that is, in part, anti-democratic and pro-theocratic. Specifying as it does that so-called Divine laws are superior to manmade laws, when the 2 contradict. and they do contradict heavily, in parts.

And hey, I as a loyalist to Democracy, can still see its faults and I can see people emphasizing different beliefs and values, and preferring a theocracy. I can respect that and the Muslims who follow such a goal.

But then the Muslims who KNOW they strive for a Theocracy should not be ashamed of this and proclaim it, to all. So people like you can consider, with all due respect, but thank you, no, thank you, I rather live in a DEMOcracy than a THEOcracy.

But it seems that Muslims, like Daisy Khan, either are ignorant or aware-but-lying about Islam's theocratic goals, and many Muslims definitely striving for theocracy or dictatorship. And dictatorship there is in abundance in the 56 Islamic countries. That should tell you something, no a lot.

You should realise that Islam's holy texts, and its most influential teachings are now known and exposed by ex-Muslims and Islam-critics. And they have informed many of us well. And they show theocracy/ dictatorship through Islam wanting to overthrow or stop the secular democratic system.

And even if you don't believe that, then still in a rational world, by now, the burden of proof is on people like you, for the ex-Muslims and Islam-critics have exposed and continue to expose loads and loads of evidence and clues.


""It's not even Islamophobia, it's beyond Islamophobia -- it's hate of Muslims," she said. "And we are deeply concerned."
No, it isn't, Daisy:
"I let no man drag me down so low as to make me hate him." - Booker T. Washington"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Although I mostly agree with you on the insidious nature of Islam, the hate that Kahn correctly identifies is not mitigated or refuted in anyway by Booker T. Washington's superior character. So, although I agree with the call for a clear, honest assessment of Islam, I also believe that certain anti-mosqueites could stand to ratchet the spleenfulness down a notch.

Boy, she is really going to be mad when she finds out we have been pouring pork blood in the concrete of all the mosque built in the last 10 -15 yrs.

If Islam is a 'Religion of Social Peace' it will of course want to demonstrate this by moving the mosque to a location that is as near as practicable to the proposed one so as to restore not only that which had existed before but to also enhance it as well.

Otherwise, the reverse is true.

It is as simple as that.

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