Yeeeeaaaaggghhhh! Howard Dean comes out against Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero

The Obama ship continues to sink. "Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean comes out against proposed mosque at Ground Zero," from Newscore, August 18 (thanks to Anne Crockett):

Former Vermont Governor Howard Dean, in a surprise move Wednesday, became the second high profile Democrat to come out against the building of a cultural center and mosque two blocks away from Ground Zero.

"This is something that we ought to be able to work out with people of good faith," Dean said in an interview with WABC radio.

"We have to understand that it is a real affront to people who've lost their lives, including Muslims.

"That site doesn't belong to any particular religion ... So I think a good reasonable compromise could be worked out without violating the principle that people ought to be able to worship as they see fit."

Dean, one of the more liberal members of the party who ran unsuccessfully for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004 before serving as head of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), suggested the mosque should be moved.

"Well I think another site would be a better idea, again -- but I would look to do that with the cooperation of the people who are trying to build the mosque," Dean said....

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Never thought I'd say this:

Howard Dean just made my day.

Wow—Harry Reid and now Howard Dean.

Either even these fellows see how obscene the proposed Ground Zero mosque is, or even they realize the popular groundswell of revulsion among ordinary Americans—either way, very welcome indeed.

Dean is a fellow New Englander.

Robert, Hugh, Marisol and other JW folks:

I have to give the Republicans a credit: they are stepping up to the plate in opposing the Mega Mosque. For their own partisan reasons, but they are doing the right thing. However, every time they win the presidency, they begin chickening out of taking on the Global Jihad, just as the Democrats do. The Republican party as a whole is disfunctional. We can no longer afford running back and forth between those 2 failed parties. We need a new one.
Please invite Rudy Giuliani and Paul Sperry to your 9/11 rally as honorary speakers & get them together with Geert Wilders, to get some pointers from him on how to create a new Center Party modeled after Geert's glorious Freedom Party.
Time for the usual, failed politicking is over. It is time for the Resistance!

Ruslan Tokhchukov, Temporarily Not Enraged But Eager For Action.

Seems like there's trouble in paradise, within the Democratic party.

Personally, I think that Dean is simply running interference, to try and limit the damage that will be done to the Democrats, in November.

If the polls suggested otherwise, he would be in front of the cameras with President Obama, Bloomberg, and Nancy Pelosi.

I trust Dean about as far as I could throw him.

http://arabnews.com/world/article106333.ece;jsessionid=214C8A8FECE1D463B3B4AC4D956C7197?comment=submitted&postingId=106345

Here is a great case against Cordoba from the Arab Press. The writer doesn't even understand this. So they want a welcome house for their idea that OBL did not destroy the WTC just two blocks from the buried.......

Like racism and Gitmo, KSM and the 2nd, Obama argued with the wrong objection and stepped forward with the wrong solution. Then he quickly encountered blow back, waffled his position and turned the teaching moment into further confusing the issue. Dean and Reid see the problem politically. New Yorkers don't object to religious freedom. Islam however is a bit more than a religion. We are angry that the Muslim world has not done far more to temper the message. Just take a look at Memri.

As long as the conflict rages, it would be disrespectful to allow any symbol of triumph for radicals just two blocks from Ground Zero as long as so many Muslims have not let go the craziness in the name of Mohammad. The best thing Islam should be intolerant towards is the threatening interpretation of the Koran used to justify the radical mess we see expanding.

Tell you what, Howie. Why don't you try working with them and get a personal taste
of all the, "Cooperation of the people who are trying to build this mosque." Or you may want to speak to your liberal friend, Governor Paterson, who has recent experience with these wonderful "bridge-builders..."

"We have to understand that it is a real affront to people who've lost their lives, including Muslims."

Oh, like the 5 Muslims? Of course he has to single-out the Muslims.

How come he doesn't single-out the Buddhists and Hindus?

Good Grief all this kow-towing to islam is sickening.

I am happy to see this horrible jihadist project crumbling.

Dean said:
"Well I think another site would be a better idea,.."
and I say:
"Well I think no more mosques would be a better idea,.."
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/

Yes, sounds like more taquiyya from infidel Democrats.

"We have to understand that it is a real affront to people who've lost their lives, including Muslims."

Muslims are the usual victims......of Muslims.


"I have to give the Republicans a credit: they are stepping up to the plate in opposing the Mega Mosque. For their own partisan reasons, but they are doing the right thing. "

Dear enragedsince1999: "for their own partisan reasons?" What partisan reason would that be?

"and I say:
"Well I think no more mosques would be a better idea,.."

Agree. Every mosk is simply giving Muslims more of a foothold in our country which our descendants' are going to have to deal with.

Never trust a liberal/democrat with your money or your wife...You have already seen what they did with your money...need I say more?

You are getting close.

I trust Dean about as far as I could throw Nancy Pelosi. ;-)

Byaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh!!!!!

So, Nancy Pelosi, are you going to investigate Yeehaw man Howard Dean?

Go for it!! (Drama Prairie Dog Does Dean Scream...)

My sentiments exactly.

I'll go one step further in suggesting that all incumbents be voted out of office and then term limits be imposed.

I'm sick of career politicians, and I haven't one iota of respect for either of them, whether dem or repub.

These "representatives" represent nothing in my life other than my aspiration to have a life-long job with full benefits to boot after I retire, ten years before the common person does.

Want a job? The federal government is the fasting growing market there is.

Of course, these parasites don't realize or care that the tax payer is finite.

Nice work, Bosch. That woman is a disgrace to a great nation.

Thanks, jewcat, and she sure is.

Breaking - Muslim employee: Disney banned her head scarf

"ANAHEIM, Calif. – A Muslim woman who works as a hostess at a Disneyland restaurant alleged Wednesday the theme park would not allow her to appear in front of customers while wearing her head scarf.

Imane Boudlal, 26, appeared outside the resort's Grand Californian Hotel after filing a complaint with the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

She said when she wore the hijab to work Sunday, her supervisors told her to remove it, work where customers couldn't see her, or go home.

Boudlal, who wore the scarf in observance of Ramadan, chose to go home but reported to work for the next two days and was told the same thing.

"Miss Boudlal has effectively understood that they're not interested in accommodating her request either in timing or good faith," said Ameena Qazi, an attorney from the Council on American-Islamic Relations who is consulting with Boudlal.

Disneyland spokeswoman Suzi Brown said Disney has a policy not to discriminate. The resort offered Boudlal a chance to work with the head covering away from customers while Disneyland tries to find a compromise that would allow Boudlal to cover her head in a way that fits with her hostess uniform, Brown said.

"Typically, somebody in an on-stage position like hers wouldn't wear something like that, that's not part of the costume," Brown said. "We were trying to accommodate her with a backstage position that would allow her to work. We gave her a couple of different options and she chose not to take those and to go home."

Boudlal, who is a native of Morocco, has worked at the Storyteller restaurant at the hotel for 2 1/2 years but only realized she could wear her hijab to work after studying for her U.S. citizenship exam in June, Qazi said.

She asked her supervisors if she could wear the scarf and was told they would consult with the corporate office, Qazi said. Boudlal didn't hear anything for two months and was then told she could wear a head scarf, but it had to be designed by Disneyland's costume department to comply with the Disney look, Qazi said.

She was fitted for a Disney-supplied head scarf but was not given a date when the garment would be finished and was told she couldn't wear her own hijab in the interim.

Boudlal wore her own hijab to work for the first time Sunday.

"After these two months and this complicated process, she decided to come forward," Qazi said. "She really wanted to be able to wear it on Ramadan."

Boudlal has the support of her union, which has been in a bitter fight for months with Disneyland over an expired contract for hotel workers. Brown accused the union of distorting the facts in Boudlal's case to distract from the key issues in the contract fight.

Leigh Shelton, a spokeswoman for the union, said Boudlal's coming forward now had nothing to do with the negotiations.

"There's absolutely no correlation," said Shelton, who's with Unite Here Local 11."

Don't trust Dean, he's just trying to stop the Democrats from becoming lemmings and follow Obama into the sea.

The good thing is Dean is almost irrelevant in the Democratic party today.

Is Dean running for anything this year? Or is he already doing some advance work for a 2012 presidential bid?

Reid is obviously trying to regain some traction in his re-election bid. If he weren't up for election this year he wouldn't be saying anything.

Please invite Rudy Giuliani and Paul Sperry to your 9/11 rally as honorary speakers & get them together with Geert Wilders...

Don't forget Allen West. Is he going to attend? He seems to be the single best politician in the entire West, Islamorealist-wise.

Max True wrote:

Here is a great case against Cordoba from the Arab Press.
..................

Thanks for posting the link to this steaming pile of Taqiyya, Max.

"Fear paralyzes US Muslim 'leaders'"

Following the events of Sept. 11, 2001, Muslims in the US had reason to fear the US government. Nine years on, the failure of Muslim leaders to make a concerted, united effort to expose the false account of 9/11 put forth by the US government is inexcusable.
..................

This article, while constantly touting "the truth", doesn't actually make any case for any "truth" at all. First, it implies that the Bush administration somehow "knew" about the impending 9/11 attacks, and chose for its own nefarious reasons to ignore this knowledge.

This is based on the half-kernel of truth that there was indeed a lot of "chatter" right before 9/11—one might be able to argue that if we had better, more coordinated intelligence, that we might have been able to put more together about the impending attack. Saying this meant the government "knew" is a stretch, to put it mildly.

Moreover, even if this vicious calumny were true, it would merely mean that the Bush administration had decided to deliberately fail to protect its citizens in order to cynically exploit this act—it would still *not* mean that the 9/11 attacks were not an act of the most vicious Jihad terrorism.

The article then hints around at various other "troofer" scenarios—direct US government involvement, supposed engineering discrepancies—without ever naming any "truth" of any kind.

But so far, as vile as this is, it is standard muddled "troofer" stuff. This next line is, for me, what takes this vicious idiocy to another level:

"Excluding opposing views risks driving some to express themselves in a more violent manner."

So, if Muslims supposedly are "not allowed" to assert that they are not responsible for Jihad violence, it might drive them to—Jihad violence.

*That* is what makes this a masterpiece of the most appalling sort of circular reasoning and Muslim apologetics. Bravo! sarc/off

I cannot believe this. Expect Pelosi to initiate an investigation on Harry Reid and Howard Dean... NOT

A place to go swimming with your clothes on....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/18/AR2010081806714.html

A symbol of the growth of the Muslim American community.

And the debate the height of Islamophobia.

The disconnect here is amazing.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41238.html

Bosch,

That was a good one!
More jobs! Typical.

"as far as I could throw Nancy Pelosi"

What? Has she been putting on weight lately?

Bosch, that cartoon's just terrific! Thanks for sharing.

The Ground Zero Mosque.

I = incapacitated
S = sinking
L = ludicrous
A = abhorrent
M = madness

Thanks for the good words, Slamdunk.

OT but great:

EDL march in Britain soon and the press acts as if they're Nazis. HOWEVER, check the comments section and you'll see that people are overwhelmingly in support of the EDL and very much "calling out" the UAF and UK govt!

The "Big Wakeup" is happening in the West!


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1304139/English-Defence-League-march-banned-say-police-chiefs.html

"If a mosque opens at Ground Zero on 9/11 next year, Obama can kiss the White House goodbye"

(Richard Littlejohn).

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1304326/If-Ground-Zero-mosque-opens-9-11-year-Obama-say-goodbye.html#ixzz0x26BoNz1

"We have to understand that it is a real affront to people who've lost their lives, including Muslims."

I think he is referring to the 19 who were in the planes.

I believe as others have said he is voluntarily getting out front to deflect criticism away from the dems. I am sure that Dean has spent all of his political capital so what has he got to lose?

Gravenimage,

You got it, especially the note at the bottom of the article. If more radical Muslims are not allowed to express their unsupported idiocy, they might get violent. Intimidation even on an op-ed page. To be fair Arab News does print articles rejecting extremism and reaching out. Unfortunately comment threads often violate the message.

What is amazing however, is that the person writing this innuendo of US complicity in the 9/11 attack supports Cordoba as an opportunity to spout this crap two blocks from the buried. Nowhere did I see comments from Muslims refuting this.

As I have repeated elsewhere, the objection to Cordoba is very simple: Islam, the political wing, is at odds with Liberal Democracy. As Jabril said days ago, jihad's first target is America and the West, not "some small group of Jews". Until this fight is resolved, Cordoba would be used as a sign for radical victory. The President predictably stepped into this mess and will likely try to have it both ways. It is rather amazing the the excluded middle has become the tool of administration discourse. Repeated enough, we are expected to accept P is both true and not true.

I suspect this abhorrence to reason and the facts of scientific method is one reason the neostrasserists and Islamic radicals find common cause.

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2010/08/cordoba-house.html#comments

Well, Mr. Lang has called my little comment anti-Muslim. Perhaps its time Spencer and friends direct some attention to this former US intelligence officer.

And poor Debi wondered if Lang was a Muslim....lol

Howard Dean comes out against Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero
.................

Well—sorta. Less than 24-hours later, he is—basically—backpeddling:

The former Governor of Vermont told the Huffington Post that he "stood by" the remarks he had made earlier in the day on WABC radio in which he called the mosque plan "a real affront to people who lost their lives [on 9/11]." But in a clarification of sorts, he stressed that he would not have a problem if the proposed Islamic cultural center ultimately ended up being built in the current location.

"It won't upset me," Dean said, "except I think it is a missed opportunity to show some flexibility... I don't believe all this nonsense the right wing is putting out about radicals and all that stuff. I take the congregation at its word that it is a moderate congregation trying to heal the wounds of 9/11. But the best way to heal the wounds is not to have a court battle, but to sit down and try to work things out."

The "real dividers"? Not Muslim supremacists, you can bet on that:

"They don't have to move," Dean said. "But the fact of the matter is, for better or worse, since 9/11 this country has been badly divided -- particularly by right wing politicians exploiting those divisions -- and this is an opportunity to bring the country together."

Finally, he describes seriously opposing the mosque as "race baiting".

what race is Islam, again?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/18/dean-stands-by-mosque-rem_n_687049.html

There is a political center.

It is right of where the Democrats think it is, but not as Right as conservatives think. First Dean was appealing to where he knows the center is perhaps to save the Liberals, but he overlooks the terrible failure mentioned at Politico regarding the strategy of the promoters. He then gets caught between two narratives and we can see the talking points re-emerge when replying to critics. It is actually hilarious to hear someone caught in two narratives at the same time.....

"Speech Act" at Wiki is very interesting when applied to present leadership.

It's amazing to see people who are sincerely concerned about the construction of this center, several blocks away from Ground Zero, whose members, by all accounts abhor the 9/11 attacks. Imagine if we had to keep churches far from all the atrocities committed in the name of the Christian god... Oh but I'm sure they weren't "true" Christians, right?

Mike, you might want be in the here and now. What was the last atrocity committed in the name of Christianity? Now in removing a sadistic tyrannt enslaving Muslim in Iraq, where is the welcome center of a church? For defending women and children, where is the church or synagogue? For all the aid Christians send to Pakistan, are we allowed to personally deliver it?

What makes you think an agnostic or an atheist can't see through the Cordoba ruse and at least demand Islam today make far more of a concerted effort to turn terrorism (justified by many clerics) a sin? I haven't seem much lately of the CLO (Christian Liberation Organization). I can only wish that Islam was merely evangelical. Note, I don't point fingers at any Muslim individual merely because of their religious beliefs unless those beliefs are a threat to my security.

Most Muslim Americans I know are fairly assimilated and like our values they way they are. A Christian may think I'm going to hell, but they don't seem to trying to get me their faster.......

This is unacceptable... Hitler, the German Nazi army, Mussolini and now Obama... what did they have in common? Christians all of them. See a pattern? Come on people isn't obvious that this so called religion is just trying oppress people, exterminate Jews, Muslims and even ponies. Ponies people! Wake up!!!

“To Bigotry No Sanction, to Persecution No Assistance”
George Washington's Letter to the Jews of Newport, Rhode Island (1790)

For you.

Something to think about.

Islam's apostasy law. If anyone leaves, or tries to leave, Islam, they are supposed to be killed. Sometimes they are killed by their own family. And this isn't something out of the dim, dark past. This happens *now*. Ever wondered why Ayaan Hirsi Ali, publicly-declared apostate from Islam, needs bodyguards? Did you know that Magdi Cristiano Allam, publicly-declared convert from Islam to Christianity, also has to be guarded night and day...to protect him from allah's enforcers?

Here's an article about apostates from Islam in the UK - and the fact that many of them have to live in hiding, like people who've left an organised crime 'family'.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article510589.ece?token=null&offset=12

"While those who convert to Islam, such as Cat Stevens, Jemima Khan, and the sons of the Frank Dobson, the former Health Secretary, and Lord Birt, the former BBC Director-General, can publicly celebrate their new religion, those whose faith goes in the other direction face persecution.

"Mr Hussein, a 39-year-old hospital nurse in Bradford, is one of a growing number of former Muslims in Britain who face not just being shunned by family and community, but attacked, kidnapped, and in some cases killed.

"There is even a secret underground network to support and protect those who leave Islam. "

Here's Samuel Zwemer's classic, scholarly study of 'The Law of Apostasy in Islam'. You can read the whole thing online.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Books/Zwemer/Apostasy/index.htm


And here's a modern discussion of the same topic - written by an apostate from Islam, Canon Dr Patrick Sookhdeo. He knows whereof he speaks.

http://www.barnabasfund.org/AU/Action/Campaigns/Why-should-they-be-secret/

Canon Sookhdeo writes: "Islam is a one-way street. You can convert to Islam but you are not allowed to convert from Islam. All schools of Islamic law, shari‘a, agree on this rule and specify the death sentence for an adult male Muslim who chooses to leave his Islamic faith. Most also impose the death penalty on women apostates. The rule was established many centuries ago by Islamic scholars, **but even today most Islamic religious leaders and many ordinary Muslim people agree with it** {my emphasis - dda}.

"The death penalty is rarely put into practice, but the existence of this “apostasy law” is so well known amongst Muslims that it generates strong hostility towards apostates, whether from family or community, from religious or secular leaders, from police or judiciary.

"So it is normal for converts from Islam to face persecution and violence. They may be arrested, either for apostasy or on a pretext. They may be attacked, beaten or even murdered by their own relatives. And those who commit the violence will probably not be punished for it."

Canon Sookhdeo has written a book: "Freedom to Believe: Challenging Islam's Apostasy Law'. You would do well to read it, 'cityslicker'. You might learn something.

And you, 'cityslicker', think Islam is a religion like any other, basically harmless, with just a tiny minority of unrepresentative and even heretical fanatics way out on the fringe?

Then think about this: if you converted to Islam, and then decided you wanted 'out', and proclaimed your rejection of the 'faith'...you'd be watching your back and looking round every corner for the assassin, for the rest of your life.

Do you seriously think that would happen if you tried Buddhism, and then backed out? Do you think that would happen if you had a brief flirtation with evangelical Christianity, and then decided it wasn't your thing?

Dear Enraged, I feel your discontent but experience tells me that every time there is a third party candidate running in an election that party invariably detracts from the Republican ticket and we end up with another Democrat by default.

I agree that the Republican party, as it has been constituted, has been largely ineffective or acting more like democrat light, governing with their tails between their legs but these dinosaurs need to be replaced with younger blood less immersed in the Washington political machine and with the courage to take on what's left of the establishment until the Republican party is once again populated with a preponderance of gutsy Conservatives in the mold of a Chris Christy, Paul Ryan or Bobby Jindal for example.

More Republicans have to get engaged early in the process of candidate selection rather than waiting for the political machine to make the choice for them. Too many "tenured" politicians run unopposed in lightly contested Primaries and then get reelected purely on the basis of name recognition and/or party affiliation. That is not happening this go around and if all goes well in November we should have a number of these career politicians voted out of office and replaced with younger, more vibrant, less politically connected representatives elected under a nationwide mandate to shake the system up. Hope for a November political tsunami and perhaps the beginning of a reconstituted Republican party.

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