Zead Ramadan of Hamas-linked CAIR yucks it up with sycophantic pseudo-journalist Mark Jacobson of New York Magazine
You know you must be on the right track when Hamas-linked CAIR is frantically trying to keep people from reading what you say. But in doing so, they just show people where they can find the truth. Zead Ramadan, the top dog of the New York chapter of Hamas-linked CAIR, said this to Keith Olbermann on MSNBC:
RAMADAN: No, these are pathetic excuses for the hatred and the fearmongering that's been, you know, spewed over the area, you got to stop the Islamization of America with Robert Spencer , who's basically our modern day Jim Jones . And he's poisoning people over the Internet . And, unfortunately, these people who think they're on his side, he's throwing him under the bus. And they're making these ridiculous comments and they're going out there and they're attacking Muslims . In Brooklyn , just a couple of months ago, there was a Bangladeshi man on a construction -- he was a construction worker on a break from lunch and he was approached by three teens. And they asked him, are you a Muslim? And he said, yes, and they said go back to your bleeping country . Then they attacked him. And the man was in a coma.
It's a funny thing: Islamic jihadists, avowed Islamic jihadists operating explicitly in the name of Islam and jihad, took down the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001. But Hamas-linked CAIR's line, and the line of so many others, is that Islam and Muslims had nothing to do with 9/11, and anyone who suggests otherwise is an Islamophobic racist bigot. Yet Hamas-linked CAIR ops like Zead Ramadan have no compunction about linking me to incidents that I was not involved with and are against everything I have ever advocated. Tarring me with responsibility for incidents I had nothing to do with is fine; pointing out the very real connection between Islam and Muslims and 9/11 is "hateful."
You must be able to see through the game they're playing. Ramadan and his unsavory ilk are trying to claim victim status for Muslims so as to divert attention away from the increasingly dodgy statements and connections of the Ground Zero mega-mosque imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, and from the ongoing incidents of Islamic jihad violence worldwide. Ramadan is also trying to pretend that the opposition to the Ground Zero mega-mosque is all because of me (as others have done with Pamela Geller recently) -- and thus if they destroy me, or Pamela, they think they will have neutralized and discredited the opposition to the mosque. He gives us too much credit, and doesn't seem to realize that the seventy percent of Americans who oppose the mosques are tired of being smeared as racists and bigots by duplicitous thugs from groups that are linked to jihad terror up to their eyeballs and yet are still given a free pass by dhimmi pseudo-journalists like Keith Olbermann.
It's also noteworthy that Ramadan goes after me here, even though Pamela has been quite vocal against them on numerous television shows -- likely because if they keep going after a woman, it looks bad.
People are angry at Muslims and suspicious of them because of Pamela Geller and me? Has it ever occurred to Zead Ramadan that people may be angry at Muslims and suspicious of them because of...Osama bin Laden? Nidal Hasan, the Fort Hood jihadist? Faisal Shahzad, the Times Square jihadist? Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Christmas underwear jihadist? Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, who murdered a soldier at a Little Rock Army recruiting center? Adam Gadahn? John Walker Lindh? 9/11? The London jihad bombings? The Madrid jihad bombings? The Mumbai jihad bombings? The Beslan jihad massacres? The Bali jihad bombings? The thousands of jihad attacks that have taken place around the world since 9/11? Not to mention the arrogance and dishonesty of "peaceful" Islamic spokesmen like the Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, his unctuous and glaringly insincere wife Daisy Khan, Honest Ibe Hooper, and Zead Ramadan himself? And so many others.
Anyway, who is more like Jim Jones, a mass-murdering cult leader? Me, or Zead Ramadan of Hamas-linked CAIR? CAIR operatives have repeatedly refused to denounce Hamas and Hizballah as terrorist groups. Olbermann appears unfazed by the fact that CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas terror funding case. Several of its former officials have been convicted of various crimes related to jihad terror. Two of its other officials have made Islamic supremacist statements. CAIR also was involved in the Flying Imams' intimidation suit against the passengers who reported their suspicious behavior.
In contrast to all that, have I ever advocated violence against innocent Muslims, as Hamas has crowed about its attacks on Israeli civilians? No, quite the contrary. Have I ever advocated contravention of any Constitutional principles in favor of authoritarian rule, as Hamas-linked CAIR's Ibrahim Hooper and Omar Ahmad have done when they said they'd like to see the U.S. have an Islamic government, i.e., one ruled by Sharia, which denies the freedom of speech, the freedom of conscience, and the equality of rights of women and non-Muslims? No, I have not.
Zead Ramadan can bloviate, lie, and defame and the ridiculous Olbermann will nod and thank him. But Americans can see through him. And that's why his smears are getting wilder. It's a sign of his desperation. He knows his evil, seditious game is almost up, and the day is fast approaching when the only one he will still be able to fool is Keith Olbermann.
Possession of knowledge about Islam is good for your health and the health of your country. When people become educated about Islam, as Robert and Pamela have labored in doing, it becomes impossible to dislodge that information. And as wide-ranging as Robert's influence is (and it grows daily), the 70% of Americans, the percentage of Americans who oppose this mosque, did not all receive their tutelage from Robert. Many got their information from other sources such as, lets say, the daily headlines of Muslims killing other planet dwellers in the name of Allah.
Let us hope the Americans are made of stronger stuff than the British. I just received my (long overdue) copy of Melanie Philips "Londonistan." It may be profitable to transcribe two or three paragraphs from her introduction. Zead Ramadan knows what he is doing. So does Imam Rauf. Bear with me:
"At an abstract level, moral relativism destroyed the notion of objectivity, so that truth and lies were stood on their heads. This opened the way for the moral inversion of "victim culture," which holds that since minorities are oppressed by the majority they cannot be held responsible for what happens to them. As a result, a climate of intimidation developed in which minorities could demand special treatment and denounce anyone who objected as a bigot. Minority wrongdoing was thus excused and blame shifted instead onto the majority. This allowed British Muslims, who consider themselves to be preeminently victims of Western culture, to turn reason and justice on their heads by blaming any wrongdoing by Muslims on others....
"This moral inversion has been internalized so completely that the more Islamic terrorism there is, the more hysterically British Muslims insist that they are under attack by "Islamophobes" and a hostile West. ANY ATTEMPT BY BRITISH SOCIETY TO DEFEND ITSELF OR ITS VALUES (emphasis mine), either through anti-terrorist laws OR THE REAFFIRMATION OF THE SUPREMACY OF WESTERN VALUES, is therefore denounced as Islamophobia.
"Such deception and intimidation have worked. So profound is the fear of being branded a racist among British liberals, so completely do they subscribe to the multicultural victim culture, that the obvious examples of illogicality, untruths and paranoia in much Muslim discourse have never been challenged. Instead of attacking Islamic extremism, British liberals attacked Islamophobia. Instead of defending Britain against its attackers, they turned their rhetorical guns on their own nation." (pages xx - xxi)
The left is the left. I place no hope in the American left. Like I said, I hope Americans are made of stronger stuff.
Ramadan said (about Spencer): " And he's poisoning people over the Internet ".
Well, here's a little something i've been working on about CAIR. Methinks, somebody's a "pot" who's calling the kettle black.
Note: the dates (yesterday & today) are off. These articles appeared this week.
CAIR (unindicted co-conspirator in the largest terror-financing case in U.S. history, with al-Qaida & Hamas ties)puts out a daily "American Muslim News Brief"
It is a collection of brief snippets of each article.
I have collected the HOT BUTTON words used in the brief and highlighted the theme for the day (islamophobe/ia seems to be the theme every day) , remember these are not full articles.
It appears they are using a tactic where you keep using inflammatory words (as in brainwashing) or words you wish to become mainstream.
Here is the list for yesterday. I can only imagine what's in the full articles.
evil, enmity, harassed, harassed, coward, hatred, harassed, assaulted, motherf***ers sh*t, toxicity, anti, slams, racist, anti, furor, terrorist, ashamed, dirty, tactics, hatred, anti-semitism,, discrimination, metastasized, anti-semitism, islamophobia, islamophobia, hate, scary, fanatics, ugly, stupid, spectacle, opposed, prejudiced,stoked,heated,islamophobia, intensified, controversy, heated, against, tense, discrimination, rejection, lawsuit, controversies, trouble lawsuit, vilify, lawsuit, makeshift, terrorist, attacks, vehement, backlash, opponents, noisy, protest, terrorism, barriers, skeptics , protest, muslim-bashing, anti-islamism, muslim-bashing
Here is the brainwashing list from the snippets for today"
un-American, chastise, harassed, protest, ban, extreme, burning, extreme, armed, extreme, extreme, extremism,infamous, Ku Klux Klan, staged, opponents, intimidate, islamophobe, ugly, attacks, , uprising, charge, against, defense, hawk, opponents, disturbing, defeat, attacked, fallen, upsetting, attack, indulgence, un-American, un-American,opposition, Un-American, offensive, disturbing, guilt, attacks, offensive,disturbing, guilt,crimes, un-American, disappointing, confrontation,against, tense, confrontation, protesters, police, criticism, racists, Hooper, incident, hate-filled agenda, opposition,opposition,smoke screen, Islamophobia, ban, Sharia, ban, Sharia, criticized, attacks, attack, bigotry,islamophobia, opposition, opposition,fear, tactics, rejected, banning, anti-muslim, anti-American,feared,killed, homeless, force-feedings,strap, detainees, prison, terrorists, force-feeding, secret, prisoners, shackled, restraint,
I suggest you subscribe to CAIR's e-mail list (these people need watching)
http://visitor.constantcontact.com/manage/optin/ea?v=0010YFcABXlzqWYTEbFf_bRbQ%3D%3D
and Read "The Muslim Mafia" by Gaubatz & Sperry
The silver lining with this proposed oversized 9-11 mosque is that people are talking and learning about sharia, islam and what their US government is doing to protect them, more likely not protecting them especially under the muslim POTUS now residing in the White House. l say he is a muslim because under muslim law children born to a muslim father are muslim at birth.
As I have said again and again Muslims lie and they no compunction in lying - it is just taqiyya, it is bald face lie, as simple as that. No Muslim can ever be trusted - certainly when it comes to his religion.
We are seeing a large number of Muslims supporting this mosque and lying through their teeth. Yesterday, on late night news on Fox, the developer Sharif was running all over and trying to hide and not answer any of the reporter's question. What are the mosque developers hiding??? The truth will come out no matter what and I hope it is before the start of construction of the mosque. Why isn't Mayor asking these guys where is the money for the mosque??? Maybe he is promising them some cash contribution just in case there is a shortage?? After all the mayor won't want to deprive Muslims of their favorite victory mosque. Would he??
there are more than 200 mosques in NYCity and a mega mosque on 96th and 3rd Ave just a few miles from GZ. So why is there any need for another mega mosque on GZ. Not for praying but to celebrate their victory on GZ.
Congratulations once again, Mr. Spencer!
Oh, & Thank You!
I find it amazing and scarey how the mainstream media glazes over the issues such as funding and the official ground breaking on 9/11/11. Something is very off.
Great work Mr. Spencer! Much success!
Right. And what this apparently leftist loon did - this volunteer for "Intersections," pro-Ground Zero mosque group - it has no bearing on the global jihad. None whatsoever.
http://newstime.co.nz/al-arabiya-ground-zero-mosque-monument-for-terrorists.html
Michael Savage: Al Arabiya says that a Ground Zero Mosque would be a monument for terrorists
06:50 Not allowed to (re-)build a church at Ground Zero, but a mega mosque!
Thank You folks for being on the front line and keeping good people informed about the continued threat from within.Blessed with good manners and debating skills they are not.
http://www.loonwatch.com/
http://spencerwatch.com/
http://www.loonwatch.com/
http://spencerwatch.com/
JW posters...avoid those two sites posted above like you would avoid the plague...bugs that jump...Spencerwatch is infected, probably loonwatch as well...
Yes JW posters, avoid crippling and factual evidence at all costs! It is an anti-thesis to what jihadwatch promotes and may distort your narrow views.
Don't you just love it that he compares Robert to somebody who talked over 900 people into killing themselves (many with extra help) in the name of a religious cult? Do these people ever listen to what they are saying?
Thanks for the warning, duh_swami. Loonscout wasn't exactly subtle about his/her intentions. Medications must be wearing off by this time of day.
Good on when*pigs*fly for the lists of all to common thought-stopping words and phrases. Other than ignoring them about the only way to fight them is with aggressive deconstruction: demand that the person using them explain exactly what s/he means by that word. They won't expect it and it gives you a great chance to pick it apart until all they are left with are little itty-bitty scraps of half-baked ideas.
Plus it's fun.
Also, don't bother posting at these two sites... they moderate every single comment individually and pick and choose what they want to be seen.
I've brought up numerous times how the deceitful, duplicitous Muslims who run those sites are so concerned about making tu quoque arguments to battle against infidels like Robert, yet they are not spending a single microsecond trying to refute what the Islamic terrorists are saying about Islam, which apparently, is contrary to the Qur'an. None of these comments ever made it past the "your comment is awaiting moderation" phase, and I was eventually banned from the site.
They don't like the truth over there. Don't bother going there unless you like the idea of Muslims deleting arguments they know they can't argue against.
You have no crippling and factual evidence. You have the bullshit Qur'an, a bunch of lying Muslims who run the site, and tu quoque arguments that do absolutely nothing to refute the fact that Muslims are committing violence in the name of Islam on a daily basis. The best you can hope for it pointing to the Bible and saying "SEE! It's just like the Qur'an!" yet, you can't explain why there are no Christians or Jews beheading people on the internet.
You are simply fighting a losing battle, and you know it.
Get lost loon there is only lies and bugs at those sites...I have first hand experience...with both...
JW posters...My computer was attacked through typepad, after only one minute on Spencerwatch...My screen name was changed and I was unable to post until I fixed it...Beware of both sites...There is nothing there of any benefit anyway...
I, too, am very appreciative of these two who keep us informed. I was never very interested in history as a kid. It all seemed like a bunch of boring names and dates. I wish I had payed more attention now. I would have known from the start that the Crusades started because the Muslims were trying back then to take over the world. (Anyone here remember Pinky and the Brain? Brain was always trying to take over the world. Strange comment, I know, but I always think of it when I think of Muslims.) Anyway, when all those countries got tired of the Muslims invading their space, they started pushing back. Personally, I think it's time for us to do the same thing. I've read of other countries that are just beginning to "get it" and are starting to change their laws. I want America to remain the republic She is, following the Constitution the way the Founding Fathers wrote it. And loonscout, I believe YOU are the loon! Why bother posting here? These are the people who are keeping up!
I heard Zead Ramadan of Hamas-linked CAIR say the same thing about Robert on MSNBC's "Hardball" with Chris Matthews today. Except Chris Matthews is such a loudmouth Zead Ramadan's of Hamas-linked CAIR "Jim Jones" comparison got partially covered up. Zead Ramadan of Hamas-linked CAIR thinks he is such a master manipulator. I would love to see him debate Robert Spencer anytime, unfortunately he is too much of a coward. He knows he would lose in the first 3 minutes of any debate. Zead Ramadan of Hamas-linked CAIR has far more in common with Jim Jones.
Keep up the great work Robert, you are a fine example of what a true American is.
Generalizations without examples are worthless. Cite some "crippling and factual evidence" if you can. Waiting.
Till then, I will assume you are an enabler of the world's one major faith which is evil----Islam. It was founded by a man who in his fifties had sexual intercourse with a nine-year old girl (this alone completely discredits Mohammed) and it is the only major faith which calls for war to be made upon the unbeliever. Islam also calls for a Muslim who converts to another religion to be killed. Moreover, Muslims expect to be able to preach their religion, seek converts and build their houses of worship anywhere but non-Muslims are not allowed to do the same in Muslim-dominated lands, e.g., Saudi Arabia.
See where I'm going? I'm giving examples after providing a generalization, i.e., Islam is evil. Why not try doing the same. Mere invectives and ad hominem attacks seem to be your stock in trade, just like Muslims out of arguments and very submissive dhimmis (e.g., Mayor Bloomberg) who confuse excuses with arguments and call critics haters as a way of shutting off debate. Are you capable of real debate? Prove it.
If you're all so confident that your brethren will come out thinking the same as when before they visited the sites, then why are you trying to detract them from said sites? The issue isn't about posted comments and moderating comments, it's about what you're missing. There isn't an issue you can bring up that isn't already refuted on either site. Also, who said the people who run the sites are Muslim? You see the general nature of the way you people think: Hmmm, this site is refuting our ring leader's words of "wisdom", they must be Muslim. No.
Also, you say there is no crippling and factual evidence, then go on a blind and angry tirade about the "bullshit Qur'an" and "lying Muslims"; this idicates that you are not willing to deal with the Qur'an, which is prime evidence used in refuting much of sir Spencer et al's life "work". It seems from this that you are not willing to read the hard work that people have put into the sites mentioned above, probably afraid of the evidence that lies.
You are right in that the site does nothing to refute the fact that some Muslims commit violence (because that's NOT the point!), in fact it acknowledges that truth; however, the reality is that some people of all religious faiths commit heinous crimes, it's the percentage that doesn't that's at issue. Throwing the general blanket on all Muslims for the crimes of a few is considered an intellectual cop-out. Saying that you don't see Christians or Jews beheading people on the internet, presumably implying that Christians and Jews don't commit acts of violence, is laughable and I am not going to delve into the centuries worth of evidence to argue that.
@ duh_swami: Just proof that you are afraid of your fellow posters parting ways, I guess.
There are thousands like me who were anti-Islam long before Robert Spencer was known to anyone outside his family and a small circle of friends. Spencer (and Pam Geller) merely put my thoughts to monitor and paper.
Does anyone besides me notice the panic in the loony left and visible stealth jihadists? It seems like they are getting very nervous...I think this GZ mosque issue is having unintended consequences for its supporters...They probably did not expect 'this much' opposition, and are now scrambling for some way to stay relevant...The more they smear, the less relevant they become...Look what happened to CJ and LGF...
The 'right' side is winning thanks to people like Pam and Robert...
@ duh_swami: Just proof that you are afraid of your fellow posters parting ways, I guess.
Now that was as clear as mud...Patriot, Danio's, Dave 742, Mumbles, or whoever you are...You have nothing of value to say here...No one invited you here to 'explain it' to us... You are trolling...
Interesting find, Johnson. I can also be a muppet and regurgitate what other people tell me too. Ironically, you do talk about evidence but cite none of what you say or give evidence to any of those claims. Let me guess, you're going to do a quick google search for verses with "evil" intentions and cite out-of-context quotations, or something, am I right?
Crippling and factual evidence are in the links if you would so kindly give yourself an intellectual overhaul; I thought I mentioned that a long time ago?
@ Indigo Red: Thanks for confirming the intentions of "jihadwatch" being an anti-Islam site, a fact that Spencer has long denied on tv. Well Spencer's site wreaks of hate anyway.
@ duh_swami: I'm not a leftist, just an objective human being. There is no panic here, no smears, no irrelevancy, no trolling (well maybe to you), all I did was post a couple of educational websites to take a peek at and you quickly tried to say that they were filled with "bugs" so as to save your friends from facts. Also, don't you think that saying "visible steath" jihadists is an oxymoron?
Oh and you're right, no one invited me here. I'm also none of the publishers of any of the articles on the websites; if I wrote those articles, I wouldn't be posting here.
If you're all so confident that your brethren will come out thinking the same as when before they visited the sites, then why are you trying to detract them from said sites? The issue isn't about posted comments and moderating comments, it's about what you're missing. There isn't an issue you can bring up that isn't already refuted on either site. Also, who said the people who run the sites are Muslim? You see the general nature of the way you people think: Hmmm, this site is refuting our ring leader's words of "wisdom", they must be Muslim. No.
I highly doubt anyone here is going to appreciate taking the time to point out the bullshit that is spewed forth on the other site, only to have their comments denied by the powers that be. The benefit that you are enjoying on this site...the ability to speak... is denied on those two sites because the people running them know that they can't argue against every argument that we can make. They can argue against a few, and those are the ones they feel confident displaying on their site. Everything else is deleted. There is simply no point for people to go there when they are not allowed to speak freely.
And somebody at Spencerwatch told me that the owners of the site are "moderate Muslims." If they aren't, they are dhimmified leftists, which are really no better nowadays. I treat each with the same level of disdain.
Also, you say there is no crippling and factual evidence, then go on a blind and angry tirade about the "bullshit Qur'an" and "lying Muslims"; this idicates that you are not willing to deal with the Qur'an, which is prime evidence used in refuting much of sir Spencer et al's life "work". It seems from this that you are not willing to read the hard work that people have put into the sites mentioned above, probably afraid of the evidence that lies.
Like Wellington said, the Qur'an was written by a man who had sex with a 9 year old girl and had many people murdered in barbaric ways. Muslims consider this man to be the "perfect and blameless man" and that is probably the most perfect way of summing up just how evil the Muhammadan ideology is.
You are right in that the site does nothing to refute the fact that some Muslims commit violence (because that's NOT the point!), in fact it acknowledges that truth; however, the reality is that some people of all religious faiths commit heinous crimes, it's the percentage that doesn't that's at issue. Throwing the general blanket on all Muslims for the crimes of a few is considered an intellectual cop-out. Saying that you don't see Christians or Jews beheading people on the internet, presumably implying that Christians and Jews don't commit acts of violence, is laughable and I am not going to delve into the centuries worth of evidence to argue that.
Yes, some people in all religious faiths commit heinous crimes, but Muslims commit the most, without question. There is a 1400 year bloody history in Islam that is not present in other religions. Islam is the only religion that commands followers to kill non believers. Islam is the only religion in today's world where followers are finding justification to commit mass murder in the name of the religion. That's why you don't see any Christian or Buddhist suicide bombers. All of the religiously inspired violence and mayhem is coming from Muslims, and no amount of "da..da Crusades!!11!" or "ZOMG Timothy McVeigh!" from you Islamic apologists is going to change that. No amount of tu quoque (which is what those sites are based on) is going to eliminate this fact. You couldn't even begin to dig through Christian history and find as many examples of Christians committing barbaric crimes in the name of Christianity as you can in Islam, but feel free to try.
@ Indigo Red: Thanks for confirming the intentions of "jihadwatch" being an anti-Islam site, a fact that Spencer has long denied on tv. Well Spencer's site wreaks of hate anyway.
I can't speak for Robert, but I don't think he ever claimed to be anti-Islam. He's not anti-Muslim. Clearly he thinks that Islam is the problem and the reason why Muslims are doing what they are doing today.
Ziad Ramadan appears on Hardball, and again repeats his smear allegation that Robert Spencer is like Jim Jones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ounAMOZB5Mk
He also claims that Spencer is a former communist who has now defected to the far-right.
Quran itself is the biggest evidence against the lies of all Muslims!!! Muslims don't want us to read Quran with an open mind and then conclude on a rational mind basis. Muslims can't interpret Quran because only their imamullah can do that and nobody else. We all know how these imams lie.
That is why Muslims always come out with ridiculous remarks (when confronted with Qurani's murderous verses), such as, you don't know Arabic, you have to read Quran in Arabic and not in any other language(that means translations), you have taken it out of context, etc, etc,. The fact is nothing is going to change the real meaning what is written in Quran: a murder will be a murder and not change into love fest, orders of killing of infidels, Jews, Christians is going to remain the same, Mo/allah's claim that he is made victorious by terror will still be the same and it will not change into "love thy neighbor, and so on....
Read Quran and expose Muslim lies.
I can't speak for Robert, but I don't think he ever claimed to be anti-Islam. He's not anti-Muslim. Clearly he thinks that Islam is the problem and the reason why Muslims are doing what they are doing today.
I misspoke. I meant to say that I don't think Robert denies that he is anti-Islam.
Get lost loon, thread hijacker...Patriot...Danio's...Dave 742. MUMBLES...We have nothing to talk about...Your sites do have bugs and the people here will believe me about that, not you...and there is nothing 'educational' about them unless you need to be educated in vile...But I can get that from the Quran...Get lost...If others want to entertain themselves tromping on you, that's up to them...
Except they can't do that there, because of the Nazi moderators. If you make an argument that they can't counter with a tu quoque relativist argument, they won't allow it to be displayed on their site.
"If you're all so confident that your brethren will come out thinking the same as when before they visited the sites, then why are you trying to detract them from said sites?"
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Because, moron, when I checked out your site weeks ago, something "happened" to my computer while I was there.
YOU INFECT PEOPLE WHO TRY TO VISIT IT.
That's really sh**ty, you know?
Duh_swami is right.
Thank you...Now it's two to one :)
Well it's true, and I'm sick of sites like theirs that pull that crap. They have such a "great argument" that they have to try and sabotage you when you go there to check it out.
But then again, I'm sure their "prophet" would have done the same thing.
They all seem to be cut from the same Mo-ld.
Hope you and yours are doing well, duh_swami :D
Make that 3 to one. You mentioned this the other day, and your word of warning was duly noted ( and appreciated ).
Besides, "loonscout", there are only a million other websites out there, that put up the same BS that you do.
You are the real coward here - and a malicious little one at that ! You want JW readers to go to your little site, so their computers can get infected. How brave and cunning you are !
Loser.
Thanks a lot, Allah Snackbar,
for informing us about the hypocritical and grossly unfair moderating at these 2 sites. To know that alone is enough to boycott them. They should come up with a guarantee that all comments will be posted and stay posted, at least according to honest, impartial criteria. Like, I think, happens, on Jihad Watch. Which doesn't rely on moderatorship to win or not-lose arguments. But instead on writers and posters who almost always make mince-meat of arguments of opponents. With much good evidence and logic. I think because JW simply has the better case.
Thanks for telling us that these 2 sites are mainly based on Tu Quoque too. It's the counter-argument against JW and the like that I find the most common and the toughest to refute. Keep up the good work!
Ram-a-man sounds cheesed.
And confused.
Time for more Mo-toons!
I find that occasionally here at JW, some of us posters might get a little too, shall we say, slightly "objectionable" with, perhaps, our adjectives, or our colorful descriptive language? LOL! And then Dr's. Robert or Marisol may have to swoop in with the 16 gauge (delete) cure. OUCH!
I myself have been a patient, infrequently.
:O
That, however, usually is only a problem with the more "vivid" replies to trolls that may become heated, and is not usually in relation to any argument we might be making.
However, at the other sites we're speaking of here, FACTUAL arguments with no colorful adjectives or anything objectionable (to a reasonable person) are screened out simply because they don't want that argument to be heard.
Whereas at JW, one can readily find the posts of trolls filled with pro-jihad rants and lies and total BS, and JW allows it to remain, to show the other side.
That's called integrity.
At those other sites, it's more like tyrrany.
Throw bugs and viruses on top of that, you got something like a Caliphate.
errata sheet:
"tyranny"
I hate the word so much, I can't even spell it.
I saw MSNBC "Hardball" today and it was truly pathetic. Host Chris "Tingles" Mathews didn't even bother to ask who Robert Spencer was and showed absolutely no interest in him. Perhaps if Chris Mathews had Robert on as a guest, his audience might have learned something about Islam. But thats the MSM for ya!
Keep up the great work Robert!
Hello Jihad Watch.
Have a look af this.
USAID leader in Pakistan supports Jamaat-ud-Dawa/Lashkar-e-Taiba front
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2010/08/usaid_leader_in_paki.php
Exactly Eleanor,
So let them come to us! We are ready and able to refute anything they cook up. And as Nietsche says; anything that does not kill me, makes me better! :). eventually all their arguments will surface in JW in one way or another and then get considered and answered. And our thoughts will keep evolving because of it.
And I certainly heed duh-swami's warning.
Make it 4 to 1 and what's wrong with being anti-islam? I am anti-islam and proud of it.
Why should I reserve any respect for a pedophile murderer and a war obsessed cult that wants to either convert me, tax me or kill me? Who says I have be pro-islam or neutral-islam? I don't and won't.
Kathy wrote:
"I was never very interested in history as a kid. It all seemed like a bunch of boring names and dates. I wish I had payed more attention now. I would have known from the start that the Crusades started because the Muslims were trying back then to take over the world."
No, actually, you most likely would have not -- because most history of that era taught in most Western grade schools and colleges are skewed against the Christians and in favor of the Muslims. It has been that way in textbooks and curricula for at least the past 30 years, if not longer. This is due to the dominance of PC MC in the West, which must follow its paradigm, whereby the white West was always engaging in "shameful" things in its past, while the Third World (here, Muslims) were the "victims" of the white West. PC MCs don't see the supreme irony of it all. They don't do irony. They only do propaganda.
Robert, you must be doing something right when these terrorists attack you.
The fact is that they are now facing opposition like they have never faced before in the US. They are afraid and show it. And things will get a lot worse for them before they get better.
The American people are rising up and when they truly do, things will drastically change.
This is the calm before the storm.
The storm that will sweep away all forces of evil from our sacred shores.
http://www.jewishdailyreport.wordpress.com
They claim that they "only delete off topic posts" but based on my experience, that is clearly not the issue. I think traeh posted there a few times too and some of his comments didn't appear.
On their main page they have a posting where they brag about Chicago's Yellow Cab "denying" SIOA's ad campaign. Robert has already proved that this is false by showing the email correspondence from Yellow Cab. I posted this, and it has yet to appear on their site. I don't expect it to be shown. They will deny anything that proves that their arguments are bogus.
Do CAIR operatives really believe that their strategy of attacking Robert Spencer will somehow stem the growing awareness of and opposition to Islam? As if this strategy would somehow negate CAIR's obvious inability to refute his work? It is comical, I really believe they do.
I oppose muslim mosque and muslim learning centre at
ground zero. I propose seculer temple and learning centre
where all religeous and non religeous people from all
walk of life can congregate, pray and learn for the
goodness of humankind. I am dead sure muslims and their
dummy allah'dala vehemently oppose any seculer idias.
I agree with all those who have asserted that Muslims and their dhimmi cohorts are getting a bit nervous, hence the uptick in ad hominem attacks against those who have tried to convey to others how awful Islam really is for freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom all around. After all, who could ever honestly and knowledgeably maintain that Islam and freedom are brothers? The religion of submission has NOTHING in common with liberty. And word is gettin' out about this, all through the West but especially in America.
WJ,
I, too, have read Londinistan. And while she is spot on--on that aspect of her analysis--note her use of the phrase 'Islamic extremism'.
IMO, and near as I can tell, she clings to the notion that Islam has been twisted/perverted/hijacked by those self same 'extremists'.
She's an intelligent woman, and her writings certainly are a good and informative read.
As far as it goes.
Tarring me with responsibility for incidents I had nothing to do with is fine; pointing out the very real connection between Islam and Muslims and 9/11 is "hateful."
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The odd thing is that Ramadan vociferously rails against the concept of "collective guilt" in the following interview—this apparently is not a problem he has when addressing those who oppose the triumphalist Ground Zero mosque.
I am very much against the casting of collective guilt, myself. But there is no real sense, apart from vague comments that 9/11 "attacked American Muslims, too" that Ramadan—let along the meretricious Imam Rauf—actually stand against the Jihad ideology that motivated the 9/11 attacks.
Here's the interview from earlier this month:
http://weblogs.wpix.com/news/local/morningnews/blogs/2010/08/ground_zero.html
Just aftermath of 9/11 the mainstream came out in drove
and shouted loud "islam and muslim had nothing to do with
twin tower bombing. It's a grand scale conspiracy hathed
and executed by jews to defame islam. If muslims have
nothing to do with 9/11 then why muslims are so interested
to build mosque there.
I can't believe these loonwatch goons and CAIR shysters are attributing so much power to Mr. Spencer and Pamela Geller. They imply that two people with blogs have indoctrinated the entire American population when most people have never heard of Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller, or their blogs. Americans are waking up, or maybe they were never really asleep. Sometimes it takes a slap in the collective face to get Americans riled up and this is the most insulting, enraging and utterly contemptible slap we've had in a while.
As for Bloomberg's motives, he is heavily invested in Sharia finance and has an office in Dubai, which is being expanded as we speak. http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2010/08/bloombergs-quiet-investments-in-sharia.html
The MSM coverage of the ground zero mosque is nothing short of a concerted, well-organized propaganda campaign that could be easily mistaken for commercial advertisement for islam and the GZ mosque. They all echo the identical dissimulation and are now focused on their hackneyed last resort to shame AMericans into shutting up: ubiquitous, anguished cries of 'islamophobia', 'racism', 'bigotry'. They are disgusting and shallow, and I hope my fellow citizens are as repulsed by their self-righteous tirades as I am.
I have learned plenty since I found this site six years ago but I did not come here ignorant about islam. My opinions about islam were formed decades ago and they have not changed. I will never know as much about islam as Mr. Spencer because I don't want to; the knowledge I acquired many years ago is sometimes so overwhelming and frightening that it keeps me awake at night. Mr. Spencer does not indoctrinate anyone; he simply presents the facts about islam and posts articles related to current events. He is a gentle, honest, truthful scholar who would never encourage or incite hate toward any group of people. But I guess when evil people have nowhere else to turn and no rational arguments to offer, their cowardly recourse is to demonize the messenger. It won't work this time.
IN THE EARLIEST MUSLIM BIOGRAPHY OF MUHAMMAD, pages 511 to 517 (758-766 in the Arabic) WE LEARN HOW MUHAMMAD ORDERED THE TORTURE AND BEHEADING OF A MAN IN ORDER TO GET HOLD OF A TREASURE, AND HOW A FEW DAYS LATER MUHAMMAD TOOK INTO HIS PRIVATE TENT FOR CONSUMMATION OF "MARRIAGE" THE TORTURED MAN'S WIFE, WHOSE FATHER AND OTHER MALE RELATIVES MUHAMMAD HAD ALSO RECENTLY KILLED:
Wow...I remember being shocked watching Franklin Graham on tv after 9/11 saying Islam was an "evil and wicked religion". I thought he was out of line. Boy was I wrong. What courage he had and still has. Tremendous leadership Mr. Graham. Tremendous.
I want to take exception with long time commenter duh swami.
I think everyone should go to those sites, and compare them with this site, including the comments.
The reader will easily see loonwatch appeals to those who want reassurance there is no problem; they ignore the Muslim Brotherhood, the OIC, and now Feisal Abdul Rauf.
I am very sorry to tell you this loonscout but, we didn't come to our opinion about Islam because of what Robert Spencer told us to think, but rather because of what Muslims say, and do.
Maybe if the people at loonwatch were not so busy sticking their tongue up Tariq Ramadan's fundament they might notice these things, too.
You obviously have a problem with this so let me help. Have superstar Danios write a book report on Feisal Abdul Rauf's "What's Right with Islam".
Have him pay attention to the mad Imam's comparing Osama Bin Laden to Robin Hood, without ever mentioning 9/11 in his little conceit.
Make sure to address his Sharia mania, and his statements about the US being "sharia compliant", and his desire to see an "enity" advise the judicary of this country on the sharia compliance of their legal decisions.
Good luck with this. I can't lie to you, though. Defending these things is going to make you very unpopular. Still, it might be a usefull excersize on your part, so that you can see what loonwatch is lacking - common sense.
On a final thought, and with all due respect to vetern commenter duh swami, if one goes to loonwatch the featured story of Michael Enright will be found. Or, at least, it should be about Michael Enright. Instead it is about, you guessed it, Robert Spencer, and Pamela Geller.
It turns out Michael Enright is pro Cordoba House! Isn't that strange? Well, strange for loonwatch, anyway. You'll never hear them bring this up.
Did Robert Spencer tell me this?
No. I found it in the Wall Street Journal.
wankers
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Britain faces a new wave of home grown terrorists as 800 radicalised Islamist prisoners are released from jail, a leading security expert warns.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/7967037/Britain-faces-new-terror-wave.html
"I think everyone should go to those sites, and compare them with this site, including the comments."
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I agree, and I'd love to, livingengine, but the bugs that jump...?
I was exposed once and had some funky issues with my system, and I know it was from there. I don't need the intentional cyber-jihad they try to wage.
Solution?
I've found that too -- my comments getting rejected at one of those two sites. I stopped trying after a few of my comments were deleted even though they included citations to sound sources backing up every statement I made. Meanwhile, they accepted from someone a long, incoherent, genocidal, anti-Muslim rant. So that made it clear the site administrators wanted to make criticism of Islam look as though only the evil and insane engaged in it. The site in question seems prepared to publish comments selectively to give that impression.
From a " canny operative " to " Jim Jones " ?
Under even normal circumstances they spout worthlessly ludicrous bilge. What else can one hope to expect from them now ?
Robert Spencer is one of the very few courageous who have exerted themselves to read what their ideology is threadbare. As has been proved by their violent jihadist killings , throttling of liberties & subjugation since its very inception.
Thanks to Robert Spencer's jihadwatch & America , the hitherto supinely fatalistic cowardly hindus have been able to express themselves freely about life as a dhimmi in a hopelessly dhimmified country. In addition to sharpening of one's intellect in other spheres like History ,English Improvement( Hugh Fitzgerald) Scintillating Wit , Serious Debates ( unlike us incorrigible Indians only focussing on oneupmanship in all our futile discussions)as windfall gains!!
The jihadists swollen with hubris for the first time are feeling they are not really invincible. That there are no seven virgins or seven raisins up there. That oil will not last for ever. That ALLAH does punish during Ramadan too. That they need Americans to repair mutilated noses , supply food and water during disasters not to speak of pampered existence in American soil.
That there is but One God. That all have to abide by the same Values & Ethics.
The Nazi propaganda machine worked 24 hours a day seven days a week broadcasting their messages to German people, Europeans, and British for ten years prior to WWII, employing psychological guilt trips much like we are witnessing today in the MSM.
The following book explains much of how this works by embedding messages into the subconscious of the masses and should be required reading for all concerned about the future world domination by Islamism.
The Global Muslim Brotherhood is working towards this goal of propaganda through taqiyya mastery as we read this. They are setting up Propaganda Schools.
As American citizens who live in the land of the free and the home of the brave, we should have learned from Nazi Germany that psychologically terrified people can be pressured into giving up their democratic rights and living in a police state, once their political power has been stolen from them and their lives have been turned upside down. We now know that Nazi propaganda was bolstered with psychotronic technology that fostered an atmosphere of psycho-political terror, desensitizing feelings and thought control. We have to remember that for over a decade, the frightened minds of average German citizens were unable or unwilling to resist the insane domination of Nazi terror, and so could not, or would not, think for themselves and question authority. The horrifying things that were happening were beyond anyone's control, and so the public was swept along by overpowering Nazi propaganda and State terror, too much in fear to object to the abuse of power, or to do anything about the atrocities carried out against Jews and Communists or others who threatened to undermine The Third Reich.
The Third Reich of Dreams, by Charlotte Beradt, and smuggled out of Germany during the 1930s in code, is a book that tells a compelling and revealing story about the hidden side of WWII. It portrays how the German subconscious mind was invaded by totalitarian fear as the Nazi's plans reached fever pitch during the 1930's. The grooming of Hitler and his evil cadre, the rise to power of the Nazi State, and the mobilization of the country for Total War, were all carried out with cold-blooded determination and ruthless precision by human beings whose very souls had been violated and whose minds were controlled.
From book review "The Third Reich of Dreams"
by Frank Berube
"Lose your dreams and you will lose your mind."Ruby Tuesday, The Rolling Stones
I love Melanie Philips.
Please add any passages from her book whenever the need arises, wildjew.
Thank you for that.
Exactly. If you check that site now, there is an article where they are claiming that Chicago Yellow Cab denied Robert and Pamela's ad campaign. This is absolutely false, and Robert already refuted that claim with email correspondence with the company. I posted this on the site, and my comment still has not been moderated. By tomorrow, it will have vanished completely.
That's the kind of game they are running over there.
..."you got to stop the Islamization of America with Robert Spencer, who's basically our modern day Jim Jones. And he's poisoning people over the Internet."
Jim Jones? ...ahaha! No, islam & company are the ones poisoning the minds of people with its toxic, bitter KoolAid that only rots the brain.
Hey we are truly thankful for Robert Spencer and his dedication to truth, fairness, and to preserving the free world. One such effort is his book, "The Truth About Muhammad", as many of us were in the dark about muhammad before discovering this essential book that exposes muhammad for who he was: evil.
Thanks for the links loonscout. My impression of the sites is that they try to nitpick at points Mr Spencer makes and no doubt at times there may be some validity to anti-thesis. However the test of the thesis is not a contra academic argument but reality and unfortunately the life of Mohammed in regard to the kufr and the deeds of those of his followers who today seek to emulate his life in regard to the kufr give credence to the work from Mr Spencer and others.
Kathy ,
I feel grateful to America for various reasons. One of them is paving the way for critical commonsensical thinking. Which is very precious. Never to be taken for granted.
In the late seventies an American was shown a heavily praised Hindi movie of a 'renowned' director with a lot of hoohaa preamble. I still cannot help laughing at the simple question he asked after enduring it ( with its mandatory song , dance routines ):
" She being a cancer patient has to be taken to a competent doctor for treatment. Which happens in the last scene. And you sing dance wail romance dream for more than 2 hrs to take this decision. Is this a blockbuster. Idiotic."
For making this remark he was called " racist , insensitive to Indian culture blahblah".
I owe it to that American to start asking myself why do we think in such needlessly convoluted ways.
There is another American blogger ( who has never really visited India but far more aware of Vedanta , Ramakrishna Paramahamsar and lot more than an average hindu ) who I admire ssso much for doing his gurubusting ( faux godmen) in Wodehousian style. Along with kindred sceptics from America , Europe , Australia and China.
I don't know if you have ever been conned by such mind control cults (like art of living , life bliss foundations , hugging cult etc etc...India is FULL of them who have successfully conned many Americans & Europeans too) "Idiotised" Indians justify them calling them " soft brands of hinduism to resist Christianity and tame Islam".
Art of Living SSSSSSRavishankar & his cronies keep exhorting all entrants to " drop the mind , drop the intellect to experience god/bliss/peace/enlightenment ...yada yada. After divesting you of your money and careers.Indians meekly obey. Becoming nuttiest robots in due course.
Sharing what an American remarked thus busting a lot of plaque in many brains:-
" The kernel of truth in this "drop the intellect" teaching... is that we're faced with some fundamental issues in life that we don't understand. What am I? Why am I alive? How should I treat others? Intellectual efforts are futile with respect finding satisfying answers to some core questions.
Or maybe not futile. Maybe we have no choice but to keep trying to understand everything, till we're exhausted. And at the point of that exhaustion, some people are ready to trash the intellect as worthless. Anti-intellectual spiritual groups are filled with people at this stage.
It's a case of swinging from one extreme to another. Our intellect can't understand everything. But it's an over-reaction to claim that we can understand nothing.
Maybe we'll never gain an understand of our True Self... yet rationality is still vital in other situations (like when we're trying to sniff out lies). If we willfully ignore rationality, don't we also lose the ability to distinguish fact from fantasy?
I'd take no interest in any meditation-, religous-, spiritual-group that contradicts rationality and scientific method etc.
It's true that with some questions, all I can do is admit that I don't know (see Socrates). That's a different matter from denying the usefulness of intellect in general.
Honestly admitting those things I don't know is one thing. It's another to believe that I should adopt stupidity as an overall life strategy ".
NOBODY ASK US TO BE CRITICAL AND SUSPECIOUS OF ISLAM AND MUSLIMS !
ONLY BLOODY HISTORY OF ISLAM AND MUSLIM ACTIONS OF EVERYDAY VIOLENCE AND DECEPTION DOES !
ALL THESE PEOLPE IN CAIR AND SO-CALLED AMERICAN MUSLIMS ARE THE REAL UNAMERICAN PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO BRING DOWN THIS WONDERFUL COUNTRY UNDER ISLAM AND SHARIA !
If you insist on visiting those sites after my and Eleanore's
experience with bugs, you deserve what you get...There is nothing to 'thank' loonscout, (AKA, Dave 742, Patriot, Danio's MUMBLES), for...
"Zead Ramadan can bloviate, lie, and defame and the ridiculous Olbermann will nod and thank him. But Americans can see through him."
I would add that the 70% of Americans who oppose the mosque don't even care what the Islamist douchebags at CAIR and the Cordoba Initiative think.
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GROUND ZERO MOSQUE BOYCOTT CAMPAIGN
http://groundzeromosqueboycott.wordpress.com/
After September 12th:
1. We need more activities to keep the momentum up!
2. My idea is the following: a 'campaign': "STOP the Saudi persecution: 2 million Christians in Saudi Arabia deserve their FIRST church".
Just imagine a bus add with that message written on the side. The average American has no idea that there is not a single church in Saudi Arabia and the persecution those Christians are facing. Few bus adds and TV publicity will bring that issue in the spotlight.
3. The Saudi AMBASSADOR gave a standing ovation to Obama's speech supporting the Ground Zero Mosque. He clapped and clapped for "religious tolerance." Perhaps using the imagery of the Ambassador on his feet for Obama's speech could be a part of the campaign. Furthermore we could make / use the LONG list of Saudi mosques built abroad (outside of Saudi). So, let's move the "RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE" debate into their corner. What about the churches and synagogues and buddhist shrines in the Middle East, North Africa and Indonesia: they are few in number and have numerous trouble and pressures on them.
4. After "victory" and irritation, THE MAIN AIM of the Ground Zero Mosque is to limit the international outreach of the American Christian missionaries. At the moment, the American missionaries are present abroad, including the muslim countries.
If the jihadis succeed to open many mosques and bring hundreds and thousands of muslim missionaries in America, then the Christian organizations in the US will limit their operations and resources overseas, and dedicate their time, money and energy on the "home front", back in the USA. That will mean less Christian missionaries in the Middle East, North Africa and Indonesia. (ie: If we have 50 Dearborn, Michigans in the USA people will start to realize they need to work / guard the home turf).
5. We need to play on offense. We need to expose their hypocrisy. We should not limit ourselves too much to the "NO" agenda. Let's make them play defense.
5. We need to have our CAUSE and CAUSES. So, when the Saudi king or some Middle Eastern tyrant visits some Western country, there should be demonstrations for HUMAN RIGHTS, especially for the persecuted religious minorities.
6. Once again, we need to tackle the global muslim - left agenda. It's enough of their "Palestine issues", flotillas, riots over cartoons, offended cry - babies, "islamophobia"... It's time for our own causes and to show that continiously on the streets.
7. This may bring the Evangelical America on board, and may give many other appereances on Fox News and other big media. My hope would be that this could be a means of opening a world - wide debate about the status of Christian, Hindu, Buddhist and other minorities under Sharia and their rights in the muslim countries.
8. We need to mark our calenders for September 23 - 30. The annual session of the UN will take place in New York. All presidents and prime ministers will be there. It will be a great chance to have some protest.
"Stop the Saudi persecution: 2 million Christians in Saudi Arabia deserve their FIRST church". "Stop the islamic violence against COPTS in Egypt". "Why the Bible is forbidden in Iran?".
Lets try to involve the Evangelicals and all other interested parties. There's enough of them in the NY / NJ area for a decent, well attended protest in front of the UN.
Robert, Marisol, Hugh, Pamela and others, thank you for your tireless efforts.
Crows and Cows (are you the same Crows and Cows who posted here a few years ago? I have seen your nom de plume in the archives).
You wrote about the extra benefits of 'jihadwatch' -'sharpening of one's intellect in other spheres like History , English Improvement ( Hugh Fitzgerald)'.
I'll second that. And English is my native language, and History, Geography and English were my best subjects at school. Hugh has taught me things I didn't know, and led me to remember things I thought I'd forgotten and to see them in a new light.
Many a native English speaker here at jihadwatch, when halfway through a 'Hugh' essay, has had to go find the dictionary, upon encountering words they didn't recognise. And then, too, the literary and historical allusions have put us to work. Hugh has greatly expanded the vocabularies and horizons of many of us. I thought I knew most words in the English language - I was a bookworm from the age of six - but Hugh has sometimes puzzled even me! His postings give our grammar skills and attention spans a good workout, too. He does us the compliment of expecting us to be able to pay attention for more than a soundbite's breadth. And leading by example, he encourages a high standard of writing in other posters.
I think I have only once seen Hugh so furiously angry as to be driven to obscenity...and even then, he did so obliquely, by referring to a comedian's famous skit upon the list of little words that, once upon a time, were not allowed to be said on television.
Books that Hugh recommends are always worth finding, and reading.
He and Robert complement each other nicely, as writers and scholars. Robert's style is plain spring water; Hugh's is best Scotch whiskey. Both good.
Yes , I am the same Crows&Cows.
Agree with what you have written. Unfortunately I can't buy their books as I live in a Gulf country.
Btw , I like your comments also very much. Along with Wellington and many more here. Very sharp minds functioning like a whip.(JesusChristSupercop , jsla ,Limes,Pythagoras so many were here )
" And leading by example, he encourages a high standard of writing in other posters ".
Undoubtedly. Tamil is my mother tongue.English is entirely self taught for me. My late father was an ardent admirer of Henry Kissinger , Hollywood movies and in general the Whites' honesty , candour & troubleshooting acumen.I vividly remember he was so fond of Israel & Jews.
My knowledge of History , Geography , Mathematics & world affairs is incredibly dismal. I am so grateful to God for coming across this JW site.
No thanks loonscout, I think loonwatch is a total waste of time. They are not interested ina debate, they are a YES club and cheerleader for Islam and muslims .
I became a member to post my entries there. Fortuntly I have a good anti virus program to keep all those nasties at bay. I tried to post several entries but either they didn't appear or they dissapeared after appearing. For me, time is money and I can't waste my precious time on that stupid censored site. I would guess spencerwatch is simliar.