Once again, one side is always eager to accommodate, conciliate, and compromise, and the other side is unilateral and immovable. In any case, the jihad imperative makes any negotiated peace with Israel only a stepping-stone to the goal, which remains the destruction of the Jewish State. "Abbas: We will not recognize Israel as a Jewish state," from the Jerusalem Post, September 7 (thanks to Joseph):
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas told interviewers that he would not recognize Israel as a Jewish state, Israel Radio reported on Tuesday.Abbas reportedly said that his position is no different from those Arafat present in previous negotiations, and that his staff is the same as Arafat's....
That's why Avigdor Lieberman would make an excellent prime-minister... I doubt he'd say anything other than "Israel has always been and will always be a Jewish state" in response to the inbred bedouin savage's jihadist babbling.
Three articles from the Fatah Constitution:
Article (12) Complete liberation of Palestine, and eradication of Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence.
Article (17) Armed public revolution is the inevitable method to liberating Palestine.
Article (19) Armed struggle is a strategy and not a tactic, and the Palestinian Arab People's armed revolution is a decisive factor in the liberation fight and in uprooting the Zionist existence, and this struggle will not cease unless the Zionist state is demolished and Palestine is completely liberated.
Of course Abbas will never sign his own death warrant,
Abbas wants to destroy Israel and Obama and Hillary are ever so happy to please in that endeavor.
Obama hosts another round of Muslim hate talks.
This is why the so called peace talks are a waste of time and tax money. One cannot come to a compromise when one side is steadfast and unyielding in thier belief that god wants the other side dead.
In Iran, we have many minorities. Jews/Christians(armenians), Bahis, Zoarastrins etc... our country is called the islamic republic of Iran. this has excluded all minoriies who have evry right to that country as well.
I for one do not agree that Israel shoiuld be called a Jewish state. there are non jews living there as well. it is like calling US a christian state.
BTW: this does not mean that I am in agreement with PLO, as I think they are less than pathetic.
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see you on 9-11
Miriam Rove is what's known as a CONCERN TROLL.She posted in June of this year on Pajamas Media a vicious Anti-Israel screed re: the Gaza Flotilla.
I am against some poicies of the Israeli government and I will be the first one to acknowledge it. so this makes me a troll? come let's get real. I do not need or have to be in total copliance to your views. Grow up.
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And we know which Israeli policies you are against - like acting in self-defence for starters.
Hmm, more "mixed messages" from the antisemitic troll ...
He states: "I for one do not agree that Israel shoiuld be called a Jewish state."
Says it all, doesn't it?
and that is exactly right. that is why I hardlty blog on Pajamas media. because of intolrent people like you. who do not respect othere views.
that too is correct. what does it say? I simply do not agree with you. so get real and grow up.
Abbas nicely sums-up the Islamic attitude to the world:
"What's ours is ours and what's yours is ours too".
When will people start to realise this?
off of the topic.
can someone please tell me what time is the vent on Sat. Sept 11th and where exactly is it? I know we are supposed to bring flags only.
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M said "that is why I hardlty blog on Pajamas media"
don't lie or at least change your nickname over there- I see your posts most days- and if the topic is ISRAEL - for sure you will make a (snarky)comment
and I must say most people at PJ respond to you in same way- I am not sure of your troll status- usually troll implies a "just anything for attention" annoying poster, you on the other hand seem SINCERE in your jewhate that you call anti Zionist- and I think you really believe your BS- too bad most of us do not buy it-
why do you use a woman's name?? A JEWISH heroine?
Haniya: Clerics Are Model For Imitation – They Integrate Knowledge, Jihad And Politics
At a breaking of the fast ceremony with Palestinian and Algerian clerics, Gaza Hamas prime minister Isma'il Haniya said that the clerics who wave the banner of knowledge and jihad along with being involved in political life are the ideal model for imitation in Palestine.
The Maan news agency published a photo of Haniya brandishing a sword in a tent in Khan Yunis in honor of Ramadan.
http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/30125.htm
Well if Abb-ass refuses to recognize Israel's existence, what makes him any different than Hamas, Iran, Al Qaeda? What's the point of talking then? The Fakestinians obviously don't want peace, they want Israel's annihilation, so give them war.
Peace can only happen between civilized people who are willing to make compromises, not with barbarians who think they're clever and that we don't know what their true aims are. They should be grateful that Israel is being so kind and understanding and willing to resolve problems with words.
The day that the infidels decide we no longer want peace with muslims (cause we've had enough of their BS) is a day they will come to deeply regret, since we'll be uncompromising, inconsolable and unmerciful.
I meant the Islamic savages should take any offer Israel gives them right now-which is already far too generous for these bloodthirsty racist hatemongers, because once Israel's patience runs out, not only will the Fakestinians not get land or peace (they don't deserve), they'll get bombs, mayhem and war.
As far as nations fighting their enemies go, Israel has already shown itself to be the most reserved and considerate, despite the muslims dropping 8,000 rockets and bombs on their cities for 2 years, not to mention the endless stream of terrorists killing and maiming their citizens. How much pain does a nation have to suffer until it has had enough and retaliates? I'm sure Israel is reaching its limits.
Where's our resident dhimmi, Jon, to explain how America and Israel are the ones preventing peace in the Middle East?
No point in further negotiations then. Netanahyu should simply walk away. How could he ever agree to anything with a partner who refuses to accept Israel's right to exist? It's a non-starter.
And isn't Abbas the scumbag who wrote a dissertation seeking to deny the reality of the Holocaust?
Some views are not worthy of respect, miriam rove, and I'm coming increasingly to the position that yours aren't. BTW, Spirit Of 1683 is not intolerant and champ doesn't need to grow up for she already has. I think a lot of us here at JW are getting very tired of you.
You can't fight a limited (Modern War) against an enemy that declared total war against you. I think Israel really shot itself in the foot by not going after Hamas leadership and not stopping unless an unconditional surrender/kill/capture/ of its leadership in the Gaza strip in 2008/9. Without that example of willingness to pursue them to the end militarily if the attack Israel, the PA will continue its stage act of actually wanting peace.
Unless the PA eliminates and stops supporting hatred and violent incitement against Jews and Israeli's there is never going to any meaningful peace agreement.
why welligton? because I disagree with you. and who is a lot? the three of you? I am here because I hate Islam and the fact that they are going to build a mosque down town to which I do not agree with. like a lot of people here who have the same goal but their political thinkings are different. that is why you need to grow up too.
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Some views are not worthy of respect, miriam rove, and I'm coming increasingly to the position that yours aren't. BTW, Spirit Of 1683 is not intolerant and champ doesn't need to grow up for she already has. I think a lot of us here at JW are getting very tired of you.
Yup.
He/she is anti-Israel and has defended Islam on more than one occasion. That is enough for me.
are you able to pull up on statement that I defended Islam?
I doubt it. you guya are cry babies simply because I do not share your views.
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It's the way you disagree, miriam rove, not that you disagree. And I don't think you're going to grasp this.
well, then help me out. can you be a little more alaborate please?
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Unlike Muslims and Christians, Jews are an ethnic-cultural-religious group. Israel is not a Jewish state in the sense of a Jewish theocracy like Iran is an Islamic republic, but in the national sense - Israel is Jewish like Iran is Persian - the majority of Israelis are Jews, the main spoken language is Hebrew (though both Hebrew and Arabic are formal languages), the culture is created mostly by Jews with reference to Jewish history, culture, memes etc. The Arab refusal to recognize the Jewish character of Israel means they still hope to destroy it and replace it with another Arab state. Nearly all the states in the Middle East are Arab states, there are more than 20 Arab states while most non-Arab and non-Arabized Peoples of the Middle East, such as the Kurds, Amazigh (Berebers), Assyrians, Copts, Nubians and others, can't exercise their national self-determination and independence. The Arabs rule everything, but for some reason that seems right and natural and taken for granted just because the Arabs once conquered everything and managed to spread their religion and culture, not always in the most peaceful of ways, and they're apparently not going to let even one grain of sand escape their rule unless they absolutely have no choice.
The two state solution means two states living in peace side by side - a Jewish state, Israel, and the Palestinian Arab state. It doesn't mean two Arab states, one next to Israel and the other instead of Israel - that isn't peace, that is annihilation.
Hey Miriam, you forgot to add me, that's at least four now and I'm sure more will join. Quack! Quack!
@Miriam , this one of my favorite quotes of yours where you admonish "Courreges" for saying muslims hate Jews:
"CongressW: you are so wrong that muslims hate jews. where are you coming from?"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/09/paris-burger-joint-sells-halal-burgers-muslims-outraged.html
Quack! Quack!
come on guys, let's keep focused here...
back to the subject of abbas. to quote albert einstein,
"the definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results..."
therefore, time for thinking out of the box for a change.
it is time for israelis to help the mishmash of arabs born in refugee camps out of their misguided notion that they are 'palestinians'. they sort of occured overnight after 1967. so since they were not palestinians before '67 and now, they declare themselves as such, and since those in judea and samaria were living under jordanian rule and not a peep came out of them... well, israel should definitely help these people go back to were they were once happy - jordan!
yes it is mainly a desert, but as the illustrious muslim in chief at the w.h. is so fond of extolling the greatness of islam (?huh?), he surely must know what he is talking about. surely a bunch of muslime, plo, al-aksa martyr bigade etc. , must be just as smart as the jews in the west... why, they could also make the desert bloom, make something out of nothing, and live happily in their new home....
while i am at it, it must be pointed out that even this so called jordan, was carved out of what was supposed to be a jewish national home....oh well...
yeah. so abbas will not recognize israel as a jewish state huh? it's ok.
deport the bastards out of the country eastward!
if netanyahu, whom i love, cannot do it for whatever reason, let avigdor lieberman lead and let the muslimes fear (THAT they do understand)
He/she is anti-Israel and has defended Islam on more than one occasion. That is enough for me.
And for me.
This "Miriam Rove" reminds me an awful lot of "Joan Bartos" who was incessantly replying to everyone's comments on the burning of Qur'ans at the WSJ, making belittling remarks to each, obviously spending hours trying to squelch all the many, many comments she disagreed with. Exactly the same supercilious tone.
Miriam Rove admitting to being a Muslim:
8. miriam rove
#6 MarkThe Great… you got that one wrong…. I date a Jew… so here you are…. and guess what her last name is Kaplan.. and guess what I am a muslim… there you have it… have a great weekend
Miriam Rove is a mixed bag. He or she attacked Israel as "murderers" during the flotilla incident, does not hate Jews per se, supposedly, is an atheist. And unfortunately, is way too outspoken and wants to shove his/her views into everyone's face. It's not enough for this kind of person to state his views, but he must attack continually everyone else's.
Yes I can. You call champ someone who needs to grow up and Spirit Of 1683 intolerant. Why? Because they disagree with you and even suspect your motives? What's wrong with this?
Also, you're all over the place with your condemnation of religion in general. It's tu quoque reasoning on your part and you don't get it (as though Catholics or the Amish are as worthy of opprobrium as Muslims). As for your specific condemnation of the Jewish state, see Doom-and-gloom's 3:30 P.M. comment above for a more than adequate refutation of your hostility to such a polity. Remember, that Jewish state you condemn guarantees the rights of Muslims in more ways than any Islamic nation on earth. Reconsider, if you're able, which, to be frank, I kinda' doubt. And it won't do to just dismiss your critics as close-minded. Won't do at all. You gotta' give specific reasons.
This says a lot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JvhQNhCCE4&feature=grec_index
"grow up"?
Actually, it is you that needs to grow up. The majority of posters on Jihad Watch are pro-Israel, so if you're going to post anti-Israel comments--like the one you posted above--then being clobbered is part and parcel for this particular forum. And like it or not, slimeball, Israel DOES exist, so I'm afraid that you and your ilk will JUST have to get used to it! Israel will be around for a veeeeery long time, so deal with it ...
"grow up"?
Actually, it is you that needs to grow up. The majority of posters on Jihad Watch are pro-Israel, so if you're going to post anti-Israel comments--like the one you posted above--then being clobbered is part and parcel for this particular forum. And like it or not, slimeball, Israel DOES exist, so I'm afraid that you and your ilk will JUST have to get used to it! Israel will be around for a veeeeery long time, so deal with it ...
Just wondering if Israel were surrounded by Christians, Buddhist or people of other religions, besides Islam, would we be still be scratching our heads and wondering what happened to reason, good sense, logic, tolerance, understanding and sound judgement.
Israel is under the protection of all rational thinkers and defenders of humanity. It will come as no surprise that many westerners, sadly living under weak voiceless democracies, will come to Israel's aid in a time of crisis.
When do we start burning Palestinian (sic), Syrian, Iranian and Hezbollah flags to show how much we support that dear little enclave of sanity - that is sadly surrounded by murderous genocidal thugs.
"Israel is under the protection of all rational thinkers and defenders of humanity. It will come as no surprise that many westerners, sadly living under weak voiceless democracies, will come to Israel's aid in a time of crisis." I would dearly like to believe this as well. Sometimes I despair to see the mainstream double standard applied to Israel. BBC, CBC, Time, NYC, Globe & Mail, etc., quick to condemn and isolate and scrutinize Israel's every act of self defense. Israel it seems not only must defend itself, but defend the right to defend itself. Grossly unjust, in my opinion.
ok great! if you or anyone else think that I did not know this site is pro Israel, then think again folks! I am here to help out to make sure this mosque does not get build. though in todays NY times this Imam Rauf says the project is going forward. if I do not agree with the policies of the Israeli government, that does not make me anti israel. so please get over. going frward I will ignore you.
"Abbas: We will not recognize Israel as a Jewish state."
I guess this means that for the sake of consistency he will now announce he is withdrawing diplomatic recognition from all the various forms of "Islamic Republics" in the world, right?
I didn't think so.
Dear Friend(?) at Hamas:
And we won't recognize a palestinian (lower case intentional) state!!! Fair is fair, especially since there already a palestinian state--it's called Jordan. (Even Bill Maher--the waste of good DNA--says so!!!) Oh, yeah, that's right. They don't want anything to do with you, either. Things have a tendency to go like that when you attempt to overthrow the government.
Dear Mr. Abbas:
And we won't recognize a palestinian (lower case intentional) state!!! Fair is fair, especially since there's already a palestinian state--it's called Jordan. (Even Bill Maher--the waste of good DNA--says so!!!) Oh, yeah, that's right. They don't want anything to do with you, either. Things have a tendency to go like that when you attempt to overthrow the government.
SISAC, you are absolutely correct in saying that Israel has to defend the right to defend itself. I suppose I should have made it clearer that despite the mainstream press, that like to bash Israel and make it the perpetrator on every occasion, are a few that would stand up for Israel until the end. Self defence has become a crime - where Israel is concerned. What a screwed up world of screwed up people with screwed up logic.
I am stunned that when I talk about Israel, to apparently conservative friends, no one really cares very much. What is with this apathy toward a country that has given so much to western civilization. Is there something about the image of Jews, even today, that still makes people indifferent to their plight?
No one has fought so hard for survival and deserves it as much as Israel. A fragment of land to call home is not too much to ask for.
I suppose I am looking for the gang of ready and willing defenders of Israel to make as much noise as those who denounce its every move.
Pro-Israel is just another way of saying pro-truth, pro-historical fact, pro-progression, pro-america, pro-thought, pro-happiness, pro-peace. I will gladly tell you which side I'm on and why ( if it isn't obvious) and I will gladly tell you where to stick your anti-israeli thoughts and feelings.
Pro-Israel is just another way of saying pro-truth, pro-historical fact, pro-progression, pro-america, pro-thought, pro-happiness, pro-peace. I will gladly tell you which side I'm on and why ( if it isn't obvious) and I will gladly tell you where to stick your anti-israeli thoughts and feelings.
Rollo, your comment is music to my ears. What I do see here and on similar websites are a large number of Israel knockers who are brainwashed (short cycle) and ignorant of the truth.
You only need to look at Press TV or Fars Iranian News to see evidence of this. These reporters have sold their journalism degrees to the Mullahs. I wonder when reading some of their nonsense if they are getting their news from the same planet. Then I realise, these guys are not from this planet. Humans live here - mostly anyway.
Oh, try posting anything on either of these websites and see what doesn't happen. The day Abbas started talks in the US, Press TV had a headline aying "Israel Invades Gaza on first day of talks". ...
Strange that no one else in the world reported this atrocity.....http://www.presstv.com/detail/140969.html
"The buffer zone is an area of 300 meters along the Gaza Strip, declared by Israel, to prevent people from reaching there, especially farmers. But basically they are forcing a 1,000-meter no-go zone in that area. All the people were killed there, including civilians, women and children as well as farmers," he added.