East Lansing, Michigan Police Department offers $10,000 reward in Qur'an-burning case

When did it become illegal to burn the Qur'an? Sharia Alert from East Lansing, Michigan: "$10,000 Reward In Koran Burning Case," from WLNS.com, September 15:

The East Lansing Police Department is seeking the publics [sic] help to find who is responsible for burning and desecrating a Koran. The incident happened on September 11. It was found at the front door of the Islamic Center of East Lansing.

The department is offering $10,000 for any information that would lead to the identification and prosecution of those responsible for this act.

Those with information are asked to call Det. Sherief Fadly at 517-319-6814.

Is Detective Sherief Fadly more interested in enforcing American law, or Sharia? Does he know that Americans have a right to freedom of expression, including that which others find obnoxious or offensive?

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Jizya?

Where's this $10,000 coming from? The taxpayers? If so, those responsible should be fired or de-elected for wasting public money.

yawn. Have they remembered to check the regular faithfuls for traces of smoke and ...erm "desecration"? Just in case, you never know, do you?

I could see the burning as a violation of fire ordinances; but offering such a large reward for turning in the violator? Such rewards are generally not even offered for information leading to the apprehension of suspected murderers.

10K is a little steep to clear a littering rap, isn't it?

When Muslims destroy a Christian church,a Jewish temple,a Hindu place of worship,or a Buddhist shrine, or burn and desecrate a holy book of other religions,no one says out loud like Muslims.Non-Muslims never react in a very unreasonable way because they all belong to the religions of compassion and humanitarian goodwill.It is so absurd and unfair when such a small act of burning their so-called holy book of hate and violence is threatened with a burning,they react noicily,violently and hysterically.
Is the police department of East Lansing the public servants of all American citizens or the slaves of Muslims ? I want to request you not to act like stooges of
Muslims or else you merely bringing down the dignity of American pride and patriotism by kowtowing every demand made by these arrogant Muslims who want America's gradual downfall under Islam.

If caught they will probably try and charge him with a hate crime, burning without a permit, public endangerment, inciting riot, and hurting Mahoundian feelings...I bet local Mahoundians will accuse any number of kufr, hoping to cash in...This police chief has 10 grand cash laying around to pay off snitches? Where did he get that money, and does the permission to use it have to come from higher up the food chain? I wonder if the buck really stops with the chief...Maybe it goes higher into political realms...

Maybe every righteous person should own up to it. "I did it and so did my wife..."

the idea is brilliant!
let millions of people line up to claim this bogus reward!
even though i am in canada I DID IT!

Obama’s diplomatic response, re burning the koran, should have been:

” Personally, I decry the burning of ALL religious texts, whether they be Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist or Jewish. However, I will defend the right of any citizen of The USA to burn religious texts. It is moreover, the central issue that separates us from the Islamists, and it has, unfortunately, led us to war. And let us not forget that the war that we are fighting is essentially between liberal secularism and religious fundamentalism. And if the American nation, does not understand this, we will, inevitably lose the war and be forced to read the koran.”

come on dictator!
you really expect the muslime in chief to utter these words? what will the ummah (spit!) think of him?

One can safely imagine that the local Muslims burned their holy book. Like many other crimes that Muslims claim to be hate related, but later it is discovered that the crime was done for attention by Muslims. Muslims would even desecrate their supposed 'Holy' book to gain any degree of attention as to paint themselves as the abused class.

Let's hope that the East Lansing Police Department has not forgotten that they are in America and not Saudia Arabia.

In America we follow the first amendment to the US Constitution and not Islam's archaic and paganistic laws known as sharia.

Hopefully the actual explanation is that the Koran was used as incendiary device which would lead to an arson charge and rightfully so.

There are simply to many questions unanswered here to make a judgment; Was it on fire when left near the building? was it thrown at the building on fire? did it have a combustible fuel on it? Etc.

Another words is it related to the fact that it was a Koran or could it have been any book used as an incendiary device?

The next question may be ; are they looking to make the boogie man or even straw man charge that this was a hate crime?

Robert Spencer,

The dilemma that we face in The West is as follows:

Since we have been threatened with death if we burn the Koran, can we give into the blackmail?

I believe that it is the central question that we all face, and the problem is that so few of us are courageous enough to answer it.

These ELPD schmucks are so willing to take it in the shorts from the local Muslims that they can't even see the conflict of interest posed by Fadly ~ probably an Egyptian and probably a Muslim ~ hunting down the burner of a so-called Muslim holy book.

Another thing; these cops obviolusly haven't spent a split second of time doing their investigavite due diligence: if a book is not holy then it is just a book and not worth the manpower a/o money spent in finding the one who, as LI said, was just disposing of common trash. When I was an Army CID agent and someone complained that their $1100.00 stereo had been stolen from their home, the first thing we sought to determine was the real value of the item, not what the "victim" claimed.

What ELPD is doing is not police work, it's cowardice as depicted in the Sheriff Rutherford section here:

http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2010/08/why-bad-guys-do-so-well-in-gunfights-httpwwwpoliceonecomofficer-shootingsarticles2056185-why-do-bad-guys-seem-to-do-s.html

East Lansing residents need to be exceptionally careful now. They need to plan and prepare for their own defense because ELPD will be profiling; looking for "national origin" indicators when they arrive at a scene involving violence and Muslims will be given the benefit of the doubt, even when evidence might indicate they should be jailed and prosecuted, if not shot dead ont he spot.

When residents call ELPD with any complaint they need to be sure all their ducks are in a row lest a Muslim officer find a way to side with any other Muslim/Islamic facet of any problem or compalint. If any EL resident ends up in court against a Muslim, be sure to find a lawyer who understands and is against sharia.

If I lived in East Lansing, I'd prepare for... struggle. Or move ASAP.

Neil,
Of course I am not that naive.
But it amazes me that so few people understand that western civilization is based on the premise that one is allowed to burn any book that one chooses provided that one owns it.

Southeast Michigan is lost. They screwed that place up beyond all recognition even before the Moslems showed up. Next time you catch the haughty air of an actual University of Michigan alumnus, ask him how things are going up there. They threw the Moslems in as frosting on an already well rotted cake, as if an Art Devo design.

But, to their credit, the Moslems do fit right in there. They always seem to do well with economic torpor.

*** 97:1 ***

Lo! We revealed it on the Night of Predestination.

Go Blew.

It is important to remember that The Nazis did not actually burn the Koran.

One of the reasons was that Hitler's War Against The Jews actually had the support of substantial numbers in the Muslim world. Incredible, eh? But if you don't believe me, take a look at the following facts:

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php

"In 1940, al-Husseini requested the Axis powers to acknowledge the Arab right:
... to settle the question of Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries in accordance with the national and racial interests of the Arabs and along the lines similar to those used to solve the Jewish question in Germany and Italy.

While in Baghdad, Syria al-Husseini aided the pro-Nazi revolt of 1941. He then spent the rest of World War II as Hitler's special guest in Berlin, advocating the extermination of Jews in radio broadcasts back to the Middle East and recruiting Balkan Muslims for infamous SS "mountain divisions" that tried to wipe out Jewish communities throughout the region."

Moreover, the prevalent anti-zionist "Nazism=Zionism" equation, takes a bit of a knock, when one actually considers the historical facts. The real Nazis were people like the Mufti of Jerusalem and his supporters.

Kindovironik?

The announcement of the reward is enough to obtain standing to make a facial challenge (as opposed to as applied) about whether it imposes an "impermissible burden" on the lawful exercise of first amendment rights. Any John Doe within the jurisdictional reach of the police offering the reward can bring the action. For "state action" to be found it does not have to be confined to an ordinance or other legislatively crafted law or policy. Indeed, one prerequisite to obtaining standing is the threat that a law would be applied. Here, even without clearly apparent law to apply, the police are bent on doing "something," and if not clearly lawful then it must necessarily be only to harass -- or to chill.

John Doe does not have to wait to be arrested. John Doe can have pleadings that include:

1) A statement that the police offered the reward
2) John Doe plans to stand outside the police station and rip apart a Koran and that the police policy would likely cover this act too without regard to whether the method of destruction is by burning. It is not burning that triggered the offer of the reward but the content of the item to be symbolically destroyed. It is not content neutral. John Doe thus faces the reasonable risk of arrest.

This is enough, together with other ordinary parts of similar pleading.

If the police fail to state some precise text of a policy or law that will be applied then it clearly and unequivocally will meet a typical test for overturning free speech restraints, that the law is overbroad. That is, that it is not drafted narrowly enough to address an allowable restraint without the risk of prosecution for lawful activity.

----"Is the police department of East Lansing the public servants of all American citizens or the slaves of Muslims?"

The latter, apparently - and the name "Sherief Fadly" seems to support that premise.

Jane Doe can stand next to John Doe and burn photocopies of the bill of rights so as to illustrate Sharia Law's objection to this sacred text. This would isolate out the pretext that fire, and the risk of a conflagration, was the sole reason for the plan to arrest.

(But don't litter.)

Once again I had to watch this video. If you look at the first few seconds of the clip, there are 2 uniformed police officers standing watching nervously and then you can see a few more (I counted 6) and some with the yellow stripped police hats. I think those are the police supervisers. And then the t-shirted security police come and ask him to come with them.

Maybe the Qur'an was burned in a smokeless zone. Qur'ans ablaze can be dangerous to our health and seriously affect asthmatics.
We should make sure that all Qur'ans are burned responsibly.
Shame on you all :))

veteranoutrage.com

So let me get this straight..

Muslims shoot up fort hood

Muslims burn our flag every DAY in every city in the USA

Muslims burn crosses and bibles

And thats all perfectly fine with the police

But if you DARE take the book by the pedophile mohammed

and burn it you could be arrested?

Here is even a better one you morons..

Suppose i just print out the cover of this vile koran

and then i burn that (i printed it) its mine

is this also now illegal?

Or perhaps i just print out the complete koran (it is online)

in arabic and i then burn that one after using it for toilet paper and i then FLUSH it

down the toilet.. is this illegal?

I printed it, i used it for toilet paper

I then burned some of it and flushed the rest down the toilet..

Or even better is this example..

I am throwing out a bunch of old clothes so i throw them on the trash pile to be burned

cant recycle them now can i?

and inside the bag just happens to be a copy of the evil book called the koran..

will the police come to eveyones house to check if their state registered copy of the koran is still intact?

this is america - we must maintain our freedoms.

i will exercise my God given rights and if i so desire i will print out and BURN a copy of the koran myself..

now try to stop me you liberal idiots

I will post a video soon

Wow ... when did Sharia land in NY? Shocking!!!

"i will exercise my God given rights"

But, there is no God except for man-made gods. Does this mean that I have no rights?

Every time I hear "God given" this or that it is like finding a cockroach in my soup.

I prefer to favor individual liberty, and the protection of the same, without injection of a limiting qualifier.

Updated: Culprit turns himself in.
http://www.wlns.com/Global/story.asp?S=13167781

"The case will be handed over to the Ingham County Prosecutor's Office for review. So far no charges have been filed."

If anyone goes for this reward, he or she should be shunned and boycotted by decent society.

Actually the $10,000 reward is all that is needed to find out who did it. No one needs to get charged with anything; once the local muslim brotherhood/jihadis etc., know who it is - their life won't be worth a damn! Just a another form of deterrent against speaking out against our protected muslim class.

The muslim who does this guy in will be touted as a good man person who has suffered from various mental problems and 'it's got nothing to do with Islam, now move along. Nothing to see here!'

i am sure that most if not all jw readers are also atlas shrugs readers.
for those that haven't seen it...here is a post in atlas about actual hate crime committed at a jewish school.this was not a symbolic burning of garbage unfit to be used as toilet paper...
funny...no reward offered...
here is the link

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/09/only-jewish-school-in-washington-state-defiled-with-swastikas-and-references-to-gas-chambers.html

buraq!
you made my day!
love your sense of humour!

"the local muslim brotherhood/jihadis etc., know who it is - their life won't be worth a damn! Just a another form of deterrent against speaking out against our protected muslim class." -

Once it get to that stage, there will be hell of lot uprising against the MohSlums. If no charges are filed against the individual and if police reveals the his ID, and the person is attacked because of it, there will be action taken against the police officer.

Det. Sherief Fadly is in the wrong police department in the wrong country.

He should be investigated.

buraq!
you made my day!
love your sense of humour!
:)

Michigan Police Department? ...you mean muslimtown USA? And the actual contents of the quran are a desecration to humanity, so I applaud the individual that burned this unholy piece of filth. God Bless you, sir, whoever you are.

Here is a place to leave a comment. http://www.cityofeastlansing.com/Home/Departments/Communications/MediaRoom/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/649/Police-Identify-Individual-Responsible-for-Quran-Desecration/

Of course, after submitting mine I received a response that says "Your comment has been submitted, but requires approval." No doubt they have to make sure my comments are sharia-compliant and don't offend muslim sensibilities.

I can save them some time......my comment will indeed offend muslim sensibilities, and it will no doubt offend police/FBI sensibilities, too. As a former LEO, I expect law enforcement officers to have the gender-appropriate "pair" and to use them effectively to uphold the oath they took when they became LEOs. Giving "muslim sensitivities" extra consideration is a violation of that oath. It is also utter cowardice.

"Those with information are asked to call Det. Sherief Fadly at 517-319-6814."

Sherief Fadly -- as "undaunted" noted above, likely a Muslim. Or an islamochristian dhimmi. Either way, it's one sign of thousands of the increasing insinuation and infiltration of Islam into our institutions.

This story reminds me of the case in New York three years ago when a student at Pace University had allegedly flushed a Koran down the toilet was hunted diligently down by the local police and in the end was forced to perform 300 hours of community service -- and guess what the detective's name who pursued the complaint in that case? Detective Faisal Khan.

And we all remember the arrest by Dearborn police of Christians at the Dearborn, Michigan Muslim "Fair" this past summer. Guess what the name is of the Dearborn Chief of Police? Ronald Haddad.

Or we have seen in Rotterdam, one of the largest cities in the Netherlands, many such incidents -- such as this case where a man in Rotterdam was arrested for wearing a t-shirt that had 'No Jihad in a Rotterdam street' printed on it. Guess what the name is of the mayor of Rotterdam? Ahmed Aboutaleb.

All this is not to say, of course, that we don't have our own home-grown PC MC dhimmis who have proven themselves quite capable on their own of facilitating the increasing infiltration of Islam in the West.

yes but once the person is found out, he will likely be killed. Doesn't matter what happens after if person loses his life over this issue.

There won't be an uprising....the MSM will see to that end of things.

They've stripped out the word Islamic and Muslim when it comes to stories regarding "terrorists". Even Fox has "cleaned up" their wording in stories. You have to dig deep or rely on news agencies from outside the US to verify if it was Islamic fundamentalists to blame.

If a Mosque claims to hold the power normally associated with government, as if the occupants claim sovereign authority, then they can be viewed as a competing "public body". This would mean that the bill of rights should be applicable against the Mosque, and all its activities and chiefs, just as if it were your typical American city government.

If the East Lansing, Michigan police officer is applying Sharia Law as directed by a Mosque and its chiefs, then any John Doe in their suit against government restraint on free speech rights should also name the Mosque's chiefs just as if they were the ordinarily applicable government officials. I see an opportunity here to bring the matter of competing claims of jurisdictional authority and legal regimes (Sharia Law) before a judge.

(The capture of the suspect through intimidation, and the continuing investigation, is the kind of chill that can and likely will face all John Does and Jane Does. Anyone else could still bring an action.)

The bill of rights is a weapon. Is is used for attacking government, or claims of government power over others. It is thus perfectly legitimate to use it to "attack" the Mosque here and the application of Sharia Law.

I'm tempted to call the East Lansing Police Department on this since the media is unable to identify any violations and its 2 known articles are very scarce in their details to say the least.

Is it a charge of attempted arson? A hate crime? vandalism (that's thin),was the book already burned prior to being left at the Islamic Centers door? the article gives the impression that this is about desecration of the book? What could the charge be against this person?

A person that wanted to mess with the Sharia state in East Lansing or elsewere could do the following-

Videotape the act of placing a large red X or other distinguishing mark in the middle of a Koran.

Document futher the burning in a fire pit this same Koran in a jurisdiction that permits such activity.

Place the scorched remnants of the Koran on the steps of your local mosque.

Openly claim responsibilty for the act.

The authorities could cite you for littering and/or trespassing. Vandalism or the hate crime angle could be dispelled. What they would love to do it charge you with attempted arson, this charge is the juicy prize any prosecutor chomps at the bit for. The video evidence, held until the trial, that the burning happened previously in a safe, lawful setting and was placed after the fact would blow them out of the water and make them to look like the fools that they are for having taken up this in the first place. Set these clowns up. Maybe they will think twice the next time.

Thanks for the video link to that Quran burning.

Always annoyed when I hear shouts to the effect that such burnings are like the Nazi book burnings. Not at all. The Nazi's were not trying to demonstrate for free speech & expression, they were trying to censor and eliminate books, even many great books. Big difference - amazing how stupid people are at distinctions.

We need a court ordered permanent injunction against implementation of Sharia Law here, as it is now being applied.

What is the actual crime? Is it even relevant that it was a quran?

And why does a police department use loaded language like "desecrating".


Because the "crime" is far from explicitly obvious, at the very least the police should have to spell out the offense before expecting any responses. I'll contact the local paper and suggest they ask. Watch, I'll probably find Shereif's brother at the editor's desk.

$10,000 reward for person violating a town trash burning ordinance???

i am afraid you are absolutely correct my friend.
i have shouted my rage over the media slanted coverage repeatedly.
i do sense that there is a definitive awakening in the world (western that is)to the clear and present danger that we all face from islam. hopefully it will reach critical mass soon to openly attack, defy repell and whatever it takes to defeat and remove this cancer from amongst us.
however, we have just as nefarious a foe in the face of the media that gives a total protection to the criminal activities of the muslimes while constantly vilifying the true patriots that are fighting this battle.
with no offense meant whatsoever, john q public, citizen of western society, and having 'usual preocupations' (spouse, kids, job, mortgage) is being bombarded with false news and missrepresentation of facts, and theseunfortunately are his only tools to work with.
at the risk of being a nuissance to family and friends, we must all continuously keep the fires burning, direct the naive to sites such as jw,atlas, etc to open their eyes.
once the truth is understood and acknowledged, one cannot just go back to live as a useful idiot.
this explains the supposedly inccrese in 'islamophobia' even more so that right after 9-11
it is called realizing the truth about this religion of piss.

paint a bullseye on it and use it for target practice!

Or perhaps i just print out the complete koran (it is online)in arabic and i then burn that one after using it for toilet paper and i then FLUSH it.

You should buy a high end copy for such use. Borders and B. Dalton both carry fine bound copies. Such editions are printed using cloth paper, which is much easier on the ring, if you know what I mean.

*** 56:41 ***

But those of the left hand, what will be the Companions of the Left Hand? They will be in the scorching hot wind and boiling water, under the shadow of thick black smoke, neither cool nor agreeable. They will be gathered together on a certain day which is predetermined. Then you, the erring and the deniers will eat a thorn tree. Fill your bellies with it, and drink scalding water, lapping it up like female camels raging of thirst and diseased. Such will be their entertainment, their welcome on the Day of Doom ... the welcome of boiling water and the entertainment of roasting in Hell. This is the ultimate Truth.

Mohammed and his buddy Allah were always going on about fire. Me, I like a quiet session in the library, with a fine edition and a box cutter to make panels. Islam and box cutters go together quite well, thank you.

I went to the Lansing News to send them an email only to find the "culprit" already turned himself in!

Interesting to see what, if anything, he gets charged with, how he pleads and, of course, how safe he stays. Worrying on several levels, isn't it?

Let's all call this Detective and let him know what we think about his investigation and his reward.

Um, I have no problem legally with burning a Quran, but this sounds like deliberate intimidation to me. Isn't there something in the law against that?

Nevermind. If there was, it would never be applied to Muslims, what with their hair-trigger sensitivities.

"gives the impression that this is about desecration of the book? What could the charge be against this person?"

But the problem, that start it all, was that it was found at the mosque.

Wouldn't it be the same as if someone had left a piece of bacon in front of a synagogue?

What would happen if it had been a torn torah scroll fround at a synagogue?

I think it's the same thing in law. I think the cops are treating it the same way.

MooHoMud Tsirhc wrote:

Updated: Culprit turns himself in.
...................

Thanks for that update. Why the hell is Michigan station WLNS calling this story: "Police Identify Person Responsible For Koran Desecration".

"Desecration"? Since when do Infidels consider this a "desecration", since we do not consider the Qur'an a "holy book"?

Also, please note, in journalism the impulse is *always* to be as succinct as possible with headlines—referring to this as a "Koran burning" would have been much pithier. Ergo, using the term "desecration" was quite deliberate.

Here's a good experiment that someone in Lansing should try. He or she should stand on a public street and burn one page of three different religious texts one of which should be the Koran. Then stand back and see what happens. It would pose quite a dilemma. What could they pin on him?

I probably should include that the other text should be from the Christian Bible.

Condollllleeeeezzzzza Rice said:

" disrespect for the holy Koran was not now, nor had it ever been, nor will it ever be, tolerated by the United States. ..."

No wonder Imam Rauf believes the US rates high on the sharia compliant scale.

Is there anyone who did not condemn pastor Larry Jones for announcing that he was going to burn the Koran?

Yep. 9 years after 9/11 the US has a muslim POTUS and the media is totally in the Islam-pocket. Good night America!

Police have arrested two men under the Racial and Religious Hatred Act. Their crime? To burn a copy of the Quran.

http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=256:we-are-offended&catid=42:feature-stories

I have a feeling that we are heading rapidly towards an unbearable situation. Such tensions are only relieved by a major outlet of violence i.e., war.

If I,nabi ZK (pbum), burned a cross in front of a church whose congregants were mostly African Americans, would it be a hate crime. You bet. It wouldn't matter much if it was my wood. mohametans should not have more rights than everyone else. But they should not have less either.

It has been said here that burning the korn is not an effective response to the jihad threat. It feels good. But it's better to educate our fellow citizens about the onerous content of this hate manual. Average Americans will not support such an act and it is harmful to the cause to alienate them.

We should remember that mohametans are the primary victims of mohametanism. Indeed, not to minimize the outrages committed against non mohametans, mohametans are the main victims of mohametan terror. Just look at the situation in Iraq or Afghanistan and you can see that this is true. Al Q is trying to purify the ranks and constantly goes on about hypocritical mohametans who don't support the cause. They torture and kill them in great numbers. Look at Iran. Trust the nabi when he says that it is no pleasure to live in such a trash heap of a society. They are ruled by evil men and suffer as a consequence.

I have heard it said that we should hate the sin and love the sinner. That's why the nabi hates mohametanism and even mocks their claim to the capstone of prophesy by claiming to be a prophet. (The nabi is not a real prophet. I just play one on the internet.) But not every mohametan is an evil POS like mohamet was. Many sincerely believe that their religion is a religion of peace and tolerance. We must show them the error in this thinking while educating our fellow citizens.

How often has the nabi confronted reverts with the events of Khaybar Oasis only to be told that they never heard of it. It's ignorance like that which is the true enemy.

nabi ZK (pbum)

Wouldn't it be the same as if someone had left a piece of bacon in front of a synagogue?

Not really. I've been catering functions at synagogues for years now, and have always done a brisk under-the-table business in BLTs at these get togethers. I got caught once and the rabbi yelled at me, but I just know he ate the remaining two BLT sandwiches he confiscated in his office afterwards.

Instead of burning the kkkoran,you just need to shred it, and put it in a pigskin bag at the foot of the mosque. what can they say about now?

@DP111, thanks for posting the link to that excellent, thundering essay on the EDL site. . .very impressive!

Condollllleeeeezzzzza Rice said: " disrespect for the holy Koran was not now, nor had it ever been, nor will it ever be, tolerated by the United States. ..."

Condi needs to read the Constitution, or move to Yemen, or keep her mouth shut except when lecturing at that fancy finishing school pedigree diploma mill she teaches at, or something.

With the full court press the Moslems have put on us lately, the First Amendment seems to have become optional now. I know Condi has kissed a whole lotta Arab and non-Arab Moslem ass in her time, but pu-leeze this statement's over the top.

*** 9:5 ***

Fight and kill the Infidels wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war.

There is nothing holy about the Ko-Ran and I dispresect it. Anybody who doesn't is either a retard or a Moslem.

Dear professor, read and understand the Ko-Ran. That'll shut you up.

No such injunction required. We have a Constitutional government. It was bought with the blood of our founders.

If thousands of people assembled and took part in a qur'an burning, would they each be arrested and charged? Charged with what?

The most this Lansing "perp" can be charged with is trespassing, and if he stood on a public sidewalk and tossed the thing onto the steps, maybe, perhaps, littering.

This is the destination to which all these unconstitutional hate crime laws have brought us. It's not a crime to hate anyone, especially to hate something evil.

I don't want to compare the two.

I don't know. I am just asking. If some Swastikas were found in the front lawn of a synagogue, might the police offer a reward (maybe not such a large one) for those who were responsible?

Irony Man said "Maybe every righteous person should own up to it. "I did it and so did my wife..."

Excellent idea. If I lived there I would participate.

You've hit on something I've been thinking about for a long time. IF we magnify every offense to muslims, by significantly increasing the number of perpetrators their power of intimidation will decrease and the means for one person to be accused will also diminish.

For instance when Molly Norris called for "Everyone Draw Mohammed " day and then found herself with a fatwa on her head, 364 of us should have declared a "Everybody draw Mohammed Day" for each of the remaining days of the year. That would have meant at least 364 more fatwas. And if that didn't work we could double up or triple up or more on the number of people declaring EDMD's per day.

Another example is the fellow fired from the NJ transit authority for burning a koran. He needs some kind of group assistance.

Whether we support their specific actions or not, we support their intentions and we have to stick up for our own who are fighting the good fight and not leave them hanging out to dry all by themselves.

Any ideas?

How about an Infidel/Apostate victim fund?

I'm sure we can do better than muslims do for the families of suicide murderers...

"grungyoldvan" That's a good start.

Maybe it could fund a salary for someone who would be responsible for organizing events and coming up with unique responses to individual situations, a co-ordinator of counter-jihad events?

Multiple choice question for ELPD training purposes
Would the charge be:
a) disposing of toxic waste on an unlicensed site
b) leaving hate literature in a public place
c) understanding the constitution and amendments in Michigan

FE FI FO FUM, I smell the manufactured HATE CRIME of a c.a.i.r. BUM !

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The mufti sahib of islamonazi-Bosnia has fatwahed against "Genocide." How noble!

http://www.islamicforumeurope.com/live/ife.php?doc=articleitem&itemId=477

More nobility:

"The victims of genocide in Bosnia will remember and always remind the world of what happened on the 11th July, 1995. They appreciate the fact that the majority of 565 members the European Parliament has adopted the resolution of 15 January 2009 on Srebrenica whereby it commemorates and honors all the victims of Srebrenica genocide."

But, some question the nobility:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xss0Ep1MJM

And some say it was noble to respond in kind to muslim Genocide:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR9VH4kgty0&p=8EFFDE72F5E40309&playnext=1&index=14

But Genocide is more than noble to muslims; it is SACRED and has the force and effect of sunna-obligation:

http://depositfiles.com/files/9h9ppz5kn

"...Then they (innocent captive Jews) surrendered and the apostle confined them in medina (occupied Jewish city of Yethrib) in the quarter of al-Harith a woman of Banu al-Najjar (perhaps a keeper or attendant to Muhammad's 13 wives whose dwellings overlooked the market) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. Among them was the enemy of allah, Huyayy ben Akhtab and Ka'ab ben Asad, their chief. There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900."

There you have it, the founder of the only pseudo-religion - islam is a political-ideology - that has a chapter of its "holy" book dedicated to "division of the spoils" of booty (anfal), wanted his wives to see his virile massacre of up to 900 innocent Jews. Maybe beheading served as Muhammad-Viagra? And, as Karen Armstrong - sexless ex-nun - pukes, he is a "prophet for our time."

EVERY muslim is under strick quranic obligation and subject to shariah penalty of death for shirking, to commit GENOCIDE. Averroes "Book of Jihad" allows it to be committed financially, as in collections by the Islamic Society of North America, ICNA, AMC, etc, or in terror at the front line, or, in the case of the American muslim menace, over the front-line, with the accession of local subversives. Their universal-target is: "disbelievers" (al-kafirun). Their last target - post the qiyamah GENOCIDE of - given current numbers - 7,000,000,000 kafirs, will be followed by the extermination of up to 97% of those who claim to be muslim, but who are found to be apostate. In the best-case scenario, SACRED-GENOCIDE would be inflicted against over 99.9% of all human beings. Yet, Geraldo Rivera and other dhimmi-bots are crusading against "islamophobia."

Disagree? Then put up or shut up and get out of the way.

They want you dead, and you want to debate them. Why?

You hater donot realise there are limit place on the right of free speech and expression to have than peaceful societry.

Yah, there are no "hate laws" in American criminal law. Hate can be a designating "aggravating" factor in crime, if "bias" motivate the offense.

However, other countries have hate-laws, like this section of the Criminal Code of Canada:

319. (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Wilful promotion of hatred

(2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.
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And it was enforced on behalf of muslims, prior to 9-11:

http://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/doc/2001/2001canlii28036/2001canlii28036.html

According to the presiding judge, the following is deemed to be hate-promotion, and void of the defense of truth:

"...the contents of the pamphlets and the telephone message as follows:

(a) The prevailing theme is that Muslims as a group are dangerous people capable of acts of violent terrorism and great cruelty.

(b) Muslims are intolerant of other faiths and pose a threat to such groups. In particular, they are rabidly anti-Semitic and anti-Christian.

(c) Muslims have perpetrated horrific acts of violent terrorism throughout the world in the name of their religion.

(d) Canadian Muslims are no different from their brethren in other countries, but they dishonestly masquerade as pacifists. They are “like raging wolves in sheep’s clothing, inside they are full of hate, violence, and murder.”

(e) It is the objective of all Canadian Muslims to overtake this country. A “holy war” is being waged. When Muslims succeed with this goal, they will brutalize those who do not accept their religion.
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Americans should keep this in mind: Obama supports hate-laws, and would enforce in the manner above. I contacted the target preacher after World Net Daily reported this, PRE 9-11. Harding told me that his sentence involved inquisitional acceptance of the writings of Maulana Maududi, the founder of Jamaat-i-Islami (which invited Osama bin laden to its 1998 convention in Peshawar). Harding told me that when he questioned Maududi islamofascism, the ISNA operative told him that he would have Shabir Ally (who testified against Harding) "send him to jail." Ally is the fountain of truth?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kEkxG4fgs0

All of this crap could have been turned around if not for that idiot, GW Bush, who coerced NATO to nation-build in the muslim tyrannies. I puke when I see posters with his face proclaiming, "do you miss me now?" Future generations of Americans will hold pilgrimages to spit on his grave.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_ZoroJdVnA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaNKz2rDF04

Place a limit on free speech and it is no longer free. Capice ?
The sort of peace you understand is when everyone else submits.
We don't call that peace but appeasement. Never going to happen.
It's been well demonstrated that appeasement is too costly at any price.

America's founding fathers espoused life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If they wanted peace at the expense of liberty they'd still be British Colonies.

No, DoI, you are the hater and bigot. Back when your brave shehada of Falastin occupied the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem, they used priceless biblical manuscripts to clean their bottoms. The dhimmi Armenian monks and Roman Catholic priests in charge of the place, despite their open hatred of the Israelis, would not bury the "martyrs" killed because they knew that by doing so, they would surrender the holy place to Muslims. You know full well that that's your religion's standard operating procedure.

You are, by the very nature of your comments, admitting that you Muslims are the danger to peace. You admit that you feel that you have the right to riot, murder, loot, and burn over every real or imagined insult--even if it is just a tired Kufr wiping the sweat from his face too close to a mosque. You fundamentally admit that your coreligionists are an ever-present threat to the peace and good order of a community. Since 09/11/01, your refrain has ever been, "Declare us a religion of peace, or we will chop of your heads, O Kufr!"

In contrast, we Christians feel queasy about responding with force--and the New Testament even tells us it is better to be wronged than to sin. Even the pagan Hindus, with their many idols, feel unhappy with the destructiveness of war (the king who conversed with Krishna in the Baghavad Gita). Even the Jews have been holding out the olive branch to you when you call them the kin of apes and pigs, and celebrate the murder of their children. Only you Muslims seem to enjoy blowing things up.

Indeed, tweak a Christian fundamentalist conscience, and you get a homeless shelter or a private school (or, if you lived in the late 18th century, an abolition movement); but tweak a devoutly Muslim conscience, and something blows up and lots of people mourn.

Speaking as a very superstitious, fundamentalist, and backwards Christian, I know from the Bible that when ancient Israel adopted the Canaanite abominations that so angered Almighty God, God sent the Mesopotamians (Assyria and Babylonia) to uproot Israel and Judah. It is written that those pagan powers were the rod of God's anger against an ungrateful people (Isaiah 10:5-11).

You Muslims are on the rise today only because we Westerners, who have been given more by the generous hand of Almighty God than any other people in history, have declared ourselves liberated from God and His Anointed (Jesus Christ). Therefore, we probably must "perish in the way" (Psalm 2:12), and our Muslim descendants will probably wonder why they live in a slum surrounded by desert where once the land was prosperous, productive, and beautiful (after all, that's what your religion did to the Fertile Crescent, Asia Minor, Indus Valley, much of Central Asia, and the Maghreb)--and take out their hair-trigger ire on their kin who stubbornly retain the Christian and Jewish faiths.

But, if God is merciful to this generation and grants repentance to the Western world, He will no longer have any use for Islam, and will lay it aside as he laid aside the pagan Mesopotamians of old. The Muslim immigrants in the West will have done nothing but make swarthy skins more common among a re-Christianized population. That is why many of us still confess that God became flesh in Jesus Christ, conquered death and sin for us by atoning for our sins through his death on the cross, and then rose from the dead on the third day. You yourselves know that Jesus, body and soul, waits in heaven for the day when he shall judge the living and the dead; while Muhammad awaits that same day in a grave as all the rest of us must should the Lord Jesus tarry.

Again, your religion reveals why Christianity created the First World, while your violence-loving and threat-making religion is that of the Third and Fourth Worlds.

Hate-laws don't protect Jews. The attached conviction under Canada's hate laws was later successfully appealed, thus, the statements are lawful:

http://www.canlii.org/en/sk/skqb/doc/2006/2006skqb272/2006skqb272.html

In my above post, I mention the Harding case. His appeal was rejected at Canada's highest court. Thus, it is right to justify the extermination of Jews, but wrong to attach supremacist criticism to Muslims. Western Civilization in governed by jackasses, and the enemy is reaping the benefits of their stupidity.

If it's true than a person is just as guilty for wishing they had and wanting to in the future as actually doing it then come get me East Lansing, I'm GUILTY!!!
ps...bring along a "koran so I can show you how I did it !!!
J Stubblefield
Sherman Tx

Medina,

The police appear to have taken an oath of loyalty to Sharia Law.

The threat was not that of a mob of Koran rejectors/destroyers but from a mob of wild Islamists bent on torching the town, unless action was taken to apply Sharia Law:

(news) "Led by the Islamic Center's members themselves, the response to this provocation has been prudent, even inspiring. Acknowledging the emotional impact of the date, 9/11, the Islamic Center chose to wait to report the incident."

(Medina) "If thousands of people assembled and took part in a qur'an burning, would they each be arrested and charged? Charged with what?"

The injunction to which I speak refers to the offer of the reward, by the police and the subsequent investigation; an injunction to prohibit the same. We all have the right to hand out handbills, anonymously. (You might not have read my earlier posts on this thread above.)

The term "our founders" is perhaps a misused term, just as is the term "God-given." The capacity to reason is universal. Muslim slaves can choose to be free from their master(s) just as can the subjects of any King. Freedom is not something granted by anyone, who, on a whim, can scale back those freedoms. The drafters of the bill of rights simply revealed to all people a code to decloak any pretender who claims to be advancing the cause of freedom while pursuing quite the opposite.

Courage to speak up against tyranny upon one's mind or body, or both, by the state or a mob (sometimes) requires more than ordinary fortitude. We are expected to endure protests, as ordinary events. In that case to get to a hospital. But it could just as well have been a police station.

Protest is a high ritualized affair in America. Follow and fully read the link here on ordinary fortitude in the face of vigorous "street theater[,]" where disagreement and bargaining is not confused with some unquantifiable notion of hate by the state.

From the labor dispute case linked above is this nugget:

"* * * the Ninth Circuit held the Board 'could not presume that a union's threat to picket the job was a threat to picket contrary to the law', * * *."
"* * * The Board offers us no reason to believe it can make an unfair labor practice out of a union's failure to assure an employer the union will abide by the law."

The apparent threat to protest in the instant case was by the Islamists. The only plausible construction of the police action here, given the limited facts that I now know, is superior loyalty to implementation of Sharia Law.

If this were Canada?

Criticizing the police via a blog can get you arrested.

CALGARY - RCMP have laid five charges against a Calgary man related to the operation of a website highly critical of Calgary police officers.
In a news conference Friday morning, RCMP announced the charges against John Kelly, 53, of Calgary.
Kelly's website accused officers of perjury, corruption and destroying evidence, RCMP said. Police deny the charges, saying they injure the reputation of Calgary police officers and interfere with an ongoing homicide investigation.
Kelly was arrested Thursday and his home * * *

Puffy, super-fragile egos coupled with the instruments of power is just a stone's throw from full-on megalomania.

U R SOOOOO Right !!! I will never understand the liberal's. I have a couple in my family - whom I love but I can't seem to understand why they vote liberal. were working on them - the more the liberals permit the muslims to kill innocent Americans for showing cartoons - bible burnings, flag burnings, the easier it will be for us to prove liberals hate our country.

i like u will be posting some very funny cartoons sent to me via a friend in Australia hopefully many will pick them up and place on facebook which if done over and over millions of facebook readers will soon be the publishers of these pic's.. WOW that will be GREAT !!!! Thank God for Americans who actually Love and will fight to protect this nation.

Agree, Michigan Police Department has how many devote Muslims ? If they tried this in AZ they wld be fired - not to mention the book burning would continue - we would actually have a BBQ and the Koran wld be used to start the fires...

Detective Sherief Fadly. Keep an eye on this prick. He'll undoubtedly use this 15 minutes of fame to advance his agenda.

I burned/burnt 200 koorans in my back yard yesterday..or was it two-hundred and twenty two?..I'll have to weigh the ashes to be precise..Had a chill comin' on..Been savin' 'em but hey,ya gotta do what ya gotta do to keep warm and cook food to survive..Sorry muzzies..jihad had me at 9/11.

I puke when I see posters with his face proclaiming, "do you miss me now?"

Are you happy with his replacement?

Pamela, Robert, David, Geert, and others, are great spokesmen for the effort to wake up Americans to the dangers of Islam, and they have pointed out that we, the people, having the right to free speech, also have the right to draw cartoons of anything we want to, including the warrior Muhammad, as well as the right to burn anything we want to, including the right to burn Mein Kampf or my Koran.

But, if they want to have an even bigger impact in the effort to save free speech, THEY ALSO NEED TO PROMOTE THE EXERCISE OF FREE SPEECH. They need to promote "Draw Muhammad Days" and they need to promote Koran burnings. A national "Free Speech Day" may be one option. But whenever/however it's done, it's sure to garner Muslim outrage. But that's a good thing because it's Muslim outrage that gets MSM coverage.

A message needs to be sent, a strong message, a message that Americans aren't going to sit by while free speech is trampled by Muslims, a message that will get the MSM's attention BECAUSE it will upset Muslims, something the MSM tries its best not to do and quickly condemns anyone who does.

The message needs to be sent. The message MUST be sent.

Well, it looks like the City of East Lansing disapproved of my original comment on this matter. Comments posted later than mine have been published on their site.

Hehehe...I bet they won't like the follow-up where I called them a bunch of dhimmi cowards who, when they cringe and submit to the islamists, deserve neither peace nor freedom.

Oh well, that Yankee hell-hole has never been on my vacation list. All the other Northern states have something (or many things) nice about them. Michigan has nothing to show for itself except a greedy paw held out to the rest of this nation and as it descends deeper into the fetid swamp of islamization, it will become nothing more than a 4th World nation perched on our northern border.

Perhaps we could sell Michigan to Canada and award her star in our flag to a more deserving entity such as Puerto Rico, Guam, etc?

Now here's a cup size case for Tea Partiers. 10K of a police department's budget is no small thing. How many computers, tazers, rounds for target practice (even to shoot us good folk when ordered from above) not to mention the cost of advertising to declare how diverse (integrity sell-out ale) they are. Now, do we care to see how much this budget is supported by federal funds?

Like a few others here, I think it was the act of leaving this anonymously at the front door of the Islamic center that was the problem. That was inappropriate.

The proper place to burn the Koran is in the public square during a well-organized demonstration, or on one’s private property. Let’s watch our manners, please.

"Quran Burning Comes to San Francisco"
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Quran-Burning-Comes-to-San-Francisco-103211209.html

A burned copy of the Quran, Islam's holy text, was found in a trash can outside a San Francisco mosque last weekend, a spokeswoman for the Bay Area chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations said Saturday... San Francisco police spokesman Albie Esparza confirmed they are investigating the incident, and said no arrests have been made.

[What are they "investigating"? free expression? or hate hoaxing?]

Recall, Michael Enright was attempting a “false flag” operation in an attempt to discredit the mega-mosque opposition. And I’m not the only one drawing that obvious inference.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0810/AntiMuslim_attacker_works_at_proPark51_group.html

In fact, the cabbie-stabber was a Leftist peacenik from the School of Visual Arts in Manhattan.
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/26/2010-08-26_maniac_wanted_better_for_everyone.html

“Raised in Brewster, which is in Putnam County, Enright is a senior at the School of Visual Arts and does volunteer work for Intersections International, a group that promotes peace and tolerance.”
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That “hate” crime vigilantism was a psychotic attempt at the Leftist hoax tactic called a “moby”.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moby

The term is derived from the name of the liberal musician Moby, who famously suggested in February of 2004 that Left-wing activists engage in this type of subterfuge: “For example, you can go on all the pro-life chat rooms and say you’re an outraged right-wing voter and that you know that George Bush drove an ex-girlfriend to an abortion clinic and paid for her to get an abortion. Then you go to an anti-immigration Web site chat room and ask, ‘What’s all this about George Bush proposing amnesty for illegal aliens?’”

The fact that hate hoaxing (intended to smear your political opponents) is epidemic among Leftists illustrates the nature of this sheep-in-wolves clothing tactic (masquerading as “hate”).
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200408/crying-wolf-fabricated-crimes

I'm calling shannanigans on this Quran burning hoax.

Sharia law (codified Islam) claims worldwide jurisdiction, and Islam considers "peace" to be when the whole world is subjected to Sharia law. Under Sharia law, Muslims are privileged and leniently allowed to abuse, plunder, and even murder non-Muslims but, there are harsh punishments for non-Muslims who even inconvenience Muslims. Muhammad intended non-Muslims to "feel subjugated" until they either convert to Islam or are plundered and murdered. To legally accommodate Sharia law in this country is the end of equality and freedom. The U.S. needs to be a Sharia-free country and jihad crimes need to be aggressively prosecuted as hate crimes against non-Muslims.

I just wish that Muslim countries were just as vigilant in finding Muslims that burn the Bible. Better yet, I wish that they would find the Muslims were this vigilant in finding Muslims that burn down churches. Political correctnes is leaving this country open to another 9/11 attack. "We the People" need to take back our country from the Obamacrats quick, fast, and in a hurry.

It is not illegal to burn the Quran. The Muslims burn flags, holy books of other religions, churches of other religions and human beings. Idiots in Lansing don't know who the real enemy is!

I'd like to watch the Michael Enright case closely. On the one hand, you're probably right about this being a "false flag" attempt. And, the picture of Enright cuffed and being transported accompanying the NYPost story your comment mentioned showed someone who looks as if he might be worried that the shenanigan is blowing up in his own face.

But, I also suspect another possibility. Enright wanted to film a friend who went into the Marines, and was later embedded with troops in Afghanistan. Maybe, what he saw of Muslim mutual treachery and the downright bloody-mindedness of one of the planet's most intensely Muslim societies caused something to snap. With a Leftist education that stresses emotional reaction and expressing outrage ASAP, it may be that this "peace and tolerance" kid saw something he could no longer feel "peaceful and tolerant" about.

I'd say the best thing for it would be for those of us able, to drive there, and en masse, confess to burning that vile tome.
What the hell would they do?

One may burn the flag. I don't like it but it's legal.
One may burn the Bible, the Baghavad Gitah or the Torah and no one will die as a result. I don't care for that either but it's legal and harms no one...yet, somehow, burning the koran harms someone.
Only the fact that muslims become violent and kill people when their egos are damaged makes burning the koran a punishable offense.
If that aint a load of crap I don't know what is.
The violence perpetrated by the lowest of the low of islam is succeeding due to the cowardice and that vile beast, "Political Correctness". Add the worship of Multiculturalism to the mix...
Our immigrants no longer come here to embrace American culture and to become a part of it. They are encouraged by liberals to remain apart and "celebrate their differences" rather than how we are the same that the may be better exploited, contained and controlled. Thus they treat all immigrants. What our liberal friends fail to understand is the nature of islam and they will not understand it even as the knife is drawn across their throats. One cannot control cancer or the madman with the knife. This is islam.
The Freedom that is ours here in the US is our next best weapon next to Truth...perhaps even stronger.
It's hard to contain kids that have experienced hot cars, rock and roll and Saturday nights. islam loses every time in the face of such power, such freedom. Their children even give their lives for it...As Amina and Sarah did though I doubt they thought their lives were in the balance.

No islam...Know Peace.
Know islam...Throw Up!

They think burning is bad...in my travels i find the koran in toilets, with pages ripped out, why????????

They think burning is bad...in my travels i find the koran in toilets, with pages ripped out, why????????

Well, I wasn't going to post this but since the City Of East Lansing Media Room failed to post my comment (and I'll bet tons of others) I will do it here.

This is my post to them, all the appeasers, apologist & enablers in East Lansing.

"The "perpetrator" sent a clear message showing how he feels about the koran and that's his first amendment right. Certainly many muslims have done the same thing with our flags & bibles. I don't remember any $10,000 rewards, or did I miss them?

When synagogues have been defaced , burned and damaged, I don't remember rewards being offered or DNA profiles being done.

I also didn't think police officers were instructed to treat one "religious" group as privileged , as we have seen several times in Michigan. When did that change? When did christians become second class citizens in their own country, the country that THEY worked hard to create?

Michigan is beginning to sound like the first islamic state of America. Did I miss that declaration too?"

The money is from Hamas. I thought I saw the NYC Mosque Iman do it.

We should get a bunch of law students to defend the perp.

We need to open an Israelie settlement in North Michigan I think.

I would never waste money on anything like a koran any way , but if i had one and i ran out of toilet paper that would be the first thing i would use.

I don't know that I'd want to rubs somethin that nasty across my nether regions. Might get me dirty.

heh...

No islam...Know Peace.
Know islam...Throw Up!

You all missed an important line:
"to the identification and prosecution of those responsible for this act."

"And prosecution", if he is not charged, no payola!
So, they can get him identified, targetted and killed and not even have to pay the promised blood money; how fundie can you get?

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