Eisenhower: Der Führer's Face song could endanger troops -- no, wait...

I heard the general saying this. My son who is a Marine and visiting me this past weekend from camp Lejun and who is about to be deployed to Afghanistan, I asked him what he thought of the general's remark. He siad" we are at war and burning the Koran is not going to make it harder for us".
while I agree with you that they should not burn the Koran, but the general going to those people and saying in America we have the right to burn Koran, is like whispering something to a deaf person. those people are so backward, uneducated and pathetic. they have never had freedom. at least in the last 53 years. that is how long I have been around.
M

"The idea that in wartime one should be careful not to do anything that the enemy is likely to respond to with irrational and even murderous anger may seem tactically wise at first glance, but ultimately it is a recipe for surrender. One is already accepting the enemy's worldview and perspective, and working to accommodate it..." - RS

Anyone seen the South Park episode in which the terrified citizens of South Park elect to bury their heads in the sand (literally), rather than watch "Muhammed" shown on "Family Guy?"

Exactly.

"Without approving of the burning, Petraeus should be defending the Florida church's right to do as they please, and using it as a teaching moment in Afghanistan to say, We are going to defend our vision of society, no matter what you bring against us." - RS

Exactly.

"Petraeus would do better to tell the Afghans that in America we have freedom of speech and expression, and that we put up with speech and expression that we dislike without trying to kill the speaker."- RS

General Petraeus - Can you take heed of the words' of Robert Spencer? What kind of General are you? Stop appeasing the enemy. Yeah - we're at war with Islam. We've been at war with Islam since 732 AD - Charles Martel - "Le Marteau" - ever heard of him? Any way you can imitate your betters'?

"And one of his deputies, Lt. Gen. William Caldwell, told CNN's "The Situation Room" that event "has already stirred up a lot of discussion and concern" among Afghans."
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Translation of "discussion and concern among Afghans":

"rioting, flag burning, church burning, infidel business looting, Christian schoolgirl beheading, gang raping of (any) woman, and pitiful, whimpering cries of victimhood."

Every time we put up with their immature, petulant behavior, every time we mollify and defend them, we only reinforce their belief that they are "the best of peoples."

Man, do we ever need a sea change in attitude.

So now Muslim fanatics in Afghanistan are dictating not only what we can do in our own country, but on our own private property? With the assistance of our own military?

Petraeus, no doubt unconsciously, is asking us to surrender our national sovereignty. Atrocious.

I absolutely agree: Gen. Petraeus is throwing away a valuable teaching moment. Instead he should be explaining to our enemies that Koran burning, no matter how reprehensible, is actually in line with upholding the cherished principle of Freedom of Speech - intrinsic to democracy. Or: is 'democracy' not what is indeed being offered to barbarian Islamic societies such as Afghanistan.? Could it be that our twisted leaders are actually making the world safe for Islam & shariah at the expense of American blood?

I think it is important that this minister carefully consider whether he is breaking any town trash burning ordinances. Otherwise - what took us so long! Are we Europe already???

http://users.binary.net/polycarp/piusxii.html

The Israeli consul, Pinchas E. Lapide, in his book, Three Popes and the Jews (New York: Hawthorn Books, Inc., 1967) critically examines Pope Pius XII. According to his research, the Catholic Church under Pius XII was instrumental in saving 860,000 Jews from Nazi death camps (p. 214). Could Pius have saved more lives by speaking out more forcefully? According to Lapide, the concentration camp prisoners did not want Pius to speak out openly (p. 247). As one jurist from the Nuremberg Trials said on WNBC in New York (Feb. 28, 1964), "Any words of Pius XII, directed against a madman like Hitler, would have brought on an even worse catastrophe... [and] accelerated the massacre of Jews and priests." (Ibid.) Yet Pius was not totally silent either. Lapide notes a book by the Jewish historian, Jenoe Levai, entitled, The Church Did Not Keep Silent (p. 256). He admits that everyone, including himself, could have done more. If we condemn Pius, then justice would demand condemning everyone else. He concludes by quoting from the Talmud that "whosoever preserves one life, it is accounted to him by Scripture as if he had preserved a whole world." With this he claims that Pius XII deserves a memorial forest of 860,000 trees in the Judean hills (pp. 268-9). It should be noted that six million Jews and three million Catholics were killed in the Holocaust.

We must remember that the Holocaust was also anti-Christian. After Hitler revealed his true intentions, the Catholic Church opposed him. Even the famous Albert Einstein testified to that. According to the December 23, 1940 issue of Time magazine on page 38, Einstein said:

Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks...

Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly.

In another, similar statement, Einstein referred explicitly to the Catholic Church (Lapide, p. 251). This is an extraordinary testimony by an agnostic German scientist of Jewish heritage. Even though there were traitors in her ranks, the Church still opposed the Nazi movement.
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I'll just leave this here for consideration...

For our purposes, Non-muslims living in Sharia conditions shall be considered inmates of 'concentration camps'..

Now the theme is "Wider Implications"...

Please... Continue...

"It could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort in Afghanistan," Gen. David Petraeus said in a statement issued Monday.

Not if you let them do their job, old general, old pal, which is to kill people and break things, not sit around singing kumbya, holding hands and asking how the jihadis are feeling and if their id is okay. Frankly, I don't care about their id.

I get the distinct feeling that Gen. Petraeus really does believe that he and the awesome military over which he has command are overseas to love all the Muzzies and get them to love him in return.

He will not admit what we, esp. JW readers, KNOW: that Islam has declared that we are enemies and therefore that Islam is at war with us. We are willing, and are going, to fight that war. Petraeus is not.

Yes, unfortunately, Petraeus sent the wrong message.
http://muccings.blogspot.com/2010/09/observations-on-burn-quran-day.html
http://muccings.blogspot.com/2010/09/balancing-first-amendment.html

Wait, the military certainly has a role in protecting and defending our constitutional rights, we are now being asked to compromise our constitutional rights to protect and defend the military?

Here is a compromise: shread and recycle.

The Press should ignore this preacher. Otherwise, they are just as much to blame for the fallout on our troops. Endless analysis is exactly what the Islamists hope for; the Press is playing into their hands. I think it is a mistake to even cover this non-event.

Robert, I'm glad to see you're as outraged about this as I am. My first thought was, what would General Patton have said? Second thought was, what would General Patton have done to General Petraeus? I have never heard an American general in the field say such a thing, and can only wonder if it was his idea or if he was told (ordered?) to say it.

Miriam and Eleanor -- I am worried for that poor woman in Iran who is sentenced to be stoned. Since Ramadan ends over there I think it's Friday night our time? -- isn't it just the sort of vile thing Ahmadinejerk and the mullahs would do to execute her on 9/11?

Suppose I download an electronic copy of the quran and delete it?

I was appalled by the general's comments. The military is supposed to defend the rights of all Americans including members of the Dove church against all enemies both foreign and domestic. They are not to allow savages to dictate how American citizens use our freedoms.The church's pastor in response said Petraeus should be warning muslims that if there is any violence in response to the burning of the koran there will be retaliation.These are privately owned korans that will be burned on private property. This is protected speech under the US Constitution, it's irrelevant whether or not muslims particularly those in a foreign country are offended.

That no'count peckerwood preacher is nothing but a publicity hound whose Qur'an-burning gimmick is going to blow back not on him or on American troops but on the Counterjihad movement in general. It will give the liberal lickspittle media something to squeal about on the very day we're mounting a somber protest against the Ground Zero mosque of triumphalism. He is a godsend to the enemy -- if he didn't exist they'd have to invent him.

As to Gen. Petraeus, someone should alert him to the words of a soldier who was quite successful against south Asian Muslim forces:

The best way to quiet a country is a good thrashing, followed by great kindness afterwards. Even the wildest chaps are thus tamed.

-- General Sir Charles James Napier, 1782-1853

Please note, Gen. Petraeus, that the kindness comes after you win, not during the fight. Consider what our fathers did to the Germans and the Japanese, and how those two peoples have comported themselves since. A rather better outcome, I venture to suggest.

Islam didn't have a billion people when it started out, either. Fascism builds the party one little scared butt in the air at a time.

We just never let the Nazis get that far.

It is the same creature with an imprimatur of "religion" cloaking it instead of nationalism.

Al BBCeera covered this on the early evening news. They showed a picture of the site where the korans are to be burned, and then showed footage of protests in Afghanistan where pictures and effigies of the Florida preacher were being burned.

Apparently it's fine for Mohammedans to burn flags, effigies, pictures, books or whatever else they find 'offensive', but it is considered bad form for a Florida minister to burn what he finds offensive!

Obama telling the Umma that America is an unwaivering supporter of Israel does the same thing. Petraeus should fire off a memo to our Caliph-in-Chief and tell him to tone it down a tad. General Betrayus sure knows what buttons to push. Want to give them any more bright ideas?

They should be able to play Twister on naked pictures of Mohammed and Aisha while Khadija watches and not worry about violent repercussions.

This pastor knows full well what might happen.

The world will see more motoon and everybody draw mohammed lack of free speech and lack of human rights.

I can't wait to hear Rauf talk about how great America is, just the very thing Islam is, too!

I suppose when one is working with a group of people who intrinsically hate your guts, or tolerate you at best, the chance of being killed by one of them is easily influenced. How many of our good allies in Pakistan would dance with glee at the killing of an American soldier? Fifty Percent? Eighty Percent? When you ally yourself with the enemy, then your chance of getting killed by an ally is pretty good. No?

Robert Spencer wrote: "He would do better to tell them that their likely murderous rage over this event is an outrageous overreaction, and that any bloodshed over this would be a heinous crime, far dwarfing any crime they think the people in Florida are committing.

"The idea that in wartime one should be careful not to do anything that the enemy is likely to respond to with irrational and even murderous anger may seem tactically wise at first glance, but ultimately it is a recipe for surrender......"

Agreed.

R. Spencer: "I oppose the Qur'an-burning. I don't like the burning of books. I'd rather that the contents of the Qur'an, and the ways that jihadists use those contents to justify violence, be known. However, these people are free to do what they want to do....."

I think this opposition to burning books is a defensible position. Though I am liberal when it comes to speech, I am not an absolutist. For example, I do not believe American imams should be free to call for the murder of Christians and Jews. I do not believe this speech should be protected speech. There are limits to "free speech."

There is already this conflation of legitimate protest against the mega-mosque at ground zero on 9/11, with this book-burning on the same day. I called my radio talk show about it this afternoon. It's not right to confuse the two.

e.g., "Deploring a "anti-muslim (sic) frenzy" underway from Manhattan to Florida and across the country, a score of clergy and religious leaders from all faiths held a summit today and charged believers and leaders of all faiths with ..." USA Today

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/Religion/post/2010/09/koran-quran-patraeus-burn-dove-mosque/1

I find it interesting that the media has made such a huge issue out of this non-issue.

I mean, really, this insignificant little church announces it will burn some qurans and suddenly this is world-wide headline news?

Yet when muslims go on deadly rampages because of a rumored "blasphemy", you don't see a hint of it in the mainstream media.

Its almost as though the media is salivating at the prospect of reporting more destruction and bloodshed all because a few Americans were insensitive to the poor, victimized muslim community.

This news isn't meant to expose the hypocrisy of the "religion of peace" that kills at the slightest offense. It is meant to show how "islamophobes" instigate the violence by daring to commit some forbidden (yet legal) act.

RS is absolutely correct when he says, "their likely murderous rage over this event is an outrageous overreaction, and that any bloodshed over this would be a heinous crime, far dwarfing any crime they think the people in Florida are committing."

Unfortunately, our PC dhimmis in the government and in the media view it exactly opposite.

Very well said Robert, I'm in full agreement.

I disagree with the Koran burning also. But I think it would be a mistake to cancel it now, otherwise it will (yet again) be seen to be giving in to murderous threats, and just further empower the thugs. I feel the best (or least bad) thing would be for it to go ahead, but be largely unreported in the media. Fat chance of that though.

Robert, perhaps you're right to think that this is somewhat counterproductive to free speech. Along the Jefferson line that bad speech is preferably not banned, but rather bested by more and better speech.

Still, the idea of riling Muslims up has a certain appeal since 1 picture is worth the 1000 words when more and more Americans see Islamic Rage Boy and all his kin all over the Muslim world go WILD, absolutely wild, over the burning of what is in the end a piece of private property. That more and more people witness this sort of over-the-top, utterly irrational behavior, based on no provocation, is just priceless.

I would like you all to keep in mind that the General does the bidding of the Commander in Chief. Does General Petraeus believe what he is saying or is he being told to say it.

The reason I ask is that it seems unprecedented for a General to speak in on political matters like this. Maybe I'm wrong but shouldn't he stick to matters of Military importance and leave politics to the politicians?

It's my distinct feeling he's being told to say this by Obama. Of this I would not be at all surprised.

All I know is, Donald Speaks For Me. Even throws hissy fits the way I do.

Robert, if the muzzies act up on Saturday could we get the Liberty St. firehouse guys to drive by and hose them down? (They loved us back in June and it's only two blocks up from there.)

I believe such "provocation" to be perfectly in line. They provoke us constantly. But only our Motoons, and symbolic book-burnings are seen as "provocation".

We need far more things like the film posted here. And make it as "in yer face" as the Muslims do. Don't be shy!

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/08/christopher-hitchens-discovers-that-the-ground-zero-mosque-imam-is-not-as-moderate-as-he-is-cracked.html

I suggest we all bombard our leaders with letters of the following sort:

*******

Dear Mr. President, Mme. Secretary, General Petraeus, and others in authority:

I agree with you that Dove World Outreach's actions in burning the Qur'an are foolish and wrongheaded. I have often owned and read books representing positions which I regard as evil, but I do not burn them, for avoiding the errors of the past requires access to its mistakes. But I fault you and our mainstream media for missing an important "teaching moment"--as we say in the pedagogical trade.

The same First Amendment that allowed flag-burners to burn the flag (as long as they didn't assassinate officials) or permitted Saul Alinsky to urge the have-nots to put intolerable strains on the economy in order to overthrow what was once called "the fascist insect" also allows that pastor in Florida to burn the Qu'ran. You need to explain to all these countries with controlled media (especially Egypt, whose state-run media routinely prints the most disgusting slanders against the USA) that what a private citizen does to express his religious and political beliefs is something in which you all--who have sworn to uphold the Constitution of the USA--are legally proscribed from interfering.

The same First Amendment also allows imams and ulema in the United States to routinely call their (and our) Jewish neighbors the kin of apes and pigs and to accuse their (and our） Christian neighbors of polytheism. It further allows Ibrahim Hooper, who has trained numerous law-enforcement officers in cultural sensitivity, to openly proclaim his Islamic supremacism when he says that Islam is not in the USA to be the equal of other faiths.

Frankly, after hearing life-long Democrats declare that "all Muslims" are their enemies after various arrests of imams caching arms and the like, I do not understand why this crackpot down in Florida should be turned into a national issue. Aren't there more serious "hate crimes" (although I don't know what a "love crime" or "respect crime" is) perpetrated against our Muslim fellow-citizens that require more attention?

And, while we're at it, when are we going to tell our good Sa'udi friends that our diplomats, support personnel, and troops (who are defending the Sa'udis) really ought to be allowed the comforts of their own [non-Muslim] religions while in country; that the Egyptian government better instruct its 100%-owned editors to speak more kindly of the Christians and handful of Jews who remain in country, as well as of nations whose taxpayers have footed large bills to aid Egypt; or the Afghan government that--now that their position has been secured by Christian, Jewish, Sikh, Hindu, and secularist blood--they really ought to write religious liberty into their Constitution; or the new Iraqi government that it ought to do something about the squeeze put on their Christian minority, now that the second homeland of Jewry is all but Judenrein; or the PA and UNRRA to get their money from sources other than the US taxpayers until they stop printing schoolbooks telling children to murder Jews?

While I understand something of the diplomatic niceties required in a situation like this, especially in countries where the idea of unalienable rights is, well, alien. But let's not forget that we are the United States of America, wherethere is freedom of speech and the free exercise of religion.

Sincerely,

So, it is Betray Us after all?

The General might have used this as a moment to say that:

"Unlike under the Sharia system of Islam, our people are free to express even what many would consider disagreeable thoughts with the full protection of the our law, but they are not free to riot and terrorize and kill those whose thoughts they disagree with. Something Islam's Laws and their resulting extremists might learn a valuable lesson from."

If we are not fighting against the inherent Terror of dogmatic Islam, we have already lost.

And should remove our troops and just bomb from afar.

Since we can teach them nothing, except by counter-Terror.

Disney had some huge balls back in the day. Can you imagine that company creating anything like this video nowadays?

After a military operation in 2009 in Afghanistan:

The protesters torched a US flag and an effigy of US President Barack Obama in a public square in central Jalalabad, before dispersing.

On another occasion, they burned a Polish flag to express their displeasure.

Afghanis have a habit of torching foreign flags.

They have no compunction about burning OUR symbols. What is the Afghan philosophy: free speech for me but not for thee? They say they are expressing their aversion to these "invaders". Well, no American is burning a Koran in a Muslim country. Don't we have the same right to express our aversion to Islamic conquerors on OUR soil? This isn't dar-al-Islam - at least not yet.

As I understand it, setting fire to sacred objects is a more respectful way of handling them than simply dumping them in the trash. What if someone took a Koran and dumped it in the garbage, smothered in bacon grease?

After the Fort Hood shooting we hear General Casey say that the shooting was awful but it would even worse if it hurt diversity in the army. Now we hear General Petraeus worrying about a small church in Florida burning the Quran? These guys are not fighting men they are politicians. What would Sherman, Jackson, Bull Halsey or Patton think of these generals? Patton might very well smack the helmets right off of their heads.

As individuals and separate from JW and SOIA we should all burn, flush, shoot, nail and drop into cesspools the filthy koran where it deserves to be. Do not fear any ‘backlash” from the zombies and disciples of this most vile, decrepit and evil terror manual known as the koran. The more “backlash” and murder committed in the name of islam that faster more and more will awaken to the reality the world faces form this monster which tragically very soon will engulf more of the world in it’s determination to conquer it or destroy it

Muslims do seem to use a lot of gasoline and matches whenever they get their panties in a wad....

I have been learning about Islam for nearly five years now, and Robert Spencer has been my primary and favorite "teacher." In my experience, most people are very ignorant about Islam, whether they think it is a peaceful or violent religion. My experience has shown me that most people are not very interested in learning more about Islam. Their minds are made up and for the most part their opinions of the religion are formulated by a combination of their already existing political and religious dispositions, as well as by the words and deeds of Muslims in the news. Sometimes, you just need to get your frustrations out and let loose. The Koran burning is not intended to be an exercise in a reason and passioned debate (which is something that Muslims and leftists avoid at all costs), it is intended to be an expression against Islam. That is why I support it. The leftists will always resort to their name-calling tactics, no matter what World Dove Church decides to do. Let them vent, we have all earned a few smoldering Korans.

What ever you do, don't make those people mad...The General and WH are worried about Afghan revenge on soldiers, I have heard dire warnings of possible attacks on Jews, Christians and churches everywhere...

Why do you suppose these people are afraid of the Religion of Peace?

Sadly, were Disney to release war propaganda today, it would be pro-Islamic. Instead of making fun of Muslims and Islam, it would depict them as our civilizational benefactors, and Americans buck-toothed, hill-billy, bigots.

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
--Voltaire

I whole-heartedly agree with you Mr. Spencer. Petreus, like all military men vetted by our politically correct system, is ideologically illiterate. He profiles Islam in terms of Christianity, even 10 years after 9/11. His plans only lead to boiling us slowly, so jihadists aren't pushed to exercise violence in their coercion.

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
--Voltaire

"I do not agree with what you have to burn, but I'll defend to the death your right to burn it."
--Freedom Fighter

"I've gotten to know some of the Taliban, and really, they are good people. We should not provoke them, which some Americans are good at doing. Since we are more educated, it is on us to refrain from our customary habits and even our religious observances when in the presence of Muslims. They are really sweet people when you get to know them. Allah Akbar."
--Petraus

If in them mood of writing a scathing review on the odious koran I would recommend for Google books , koran , feel free to express yourself.

http://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks%3A1&tbo=1&q=koran&btnG=Search+Books

One very important thing to bear in mind is that although the Qur'an refers to itself as a 'book' Muslims relate to it as the pure descended words of Allah, a holy 'person' you could say for the sake of argument, analogous in sanctity to the Jesus of Christain belief and not a work of religious literature.

I don't understand what the fuss is about. I've been told by Moslems many times that English transliteratsion of the Qur'an are not the Qur'an. So unless these books are in Arabic, why should any Moslem anywhere get upset?

Still, there is something repugnant about burning books, even those such as the Qur'an. I believe the better approach would have been for the pastor to read the passages that conflict with the New Testament as a lesson to the uninformed, a lesson instructing that all religions are not the same.

As for General Petraeus, he has been assigned this task, one of nation building. It's nice to know that those courses at the U.S. Army War College, Peace Keeping and Stability Institute, are going to good use...depending upon who you are what your point of view may be.

We need OBL and Ayman al-Zawahiri in prison orange jumpsuits or in body bags or any combination of the two. Then we need to get out of Afghanistan, with a firm commitment to come back and kick serious volumes of ass if al Qaeda or anything like it takes root there again. That's all the surge we need.

Does anyone remember a country called 'America' that didn't give a SH-T would a bunch of murderous child buggering terrorists half way around the world 'thought' about some peckerwood minister burning a book? How LOW we have fallen to be even discussing this.

Burning a book is stupid yes.

However a Govt who says building a mosque at ground zero is religious expression to be upheld no matter who is offended, cannot then condemn another groups first ammendment rights. Especialy when symbols of other reiligions are desecrated and it is defended as artistic expression.

Islam cannot have a free pass to offend and not be offended.

Nor can a govt declare a group a religion of peace, yet warn offending that group may lead to bloodshed.

This pastor Jones has very similar look to a pre-civil war period madman called John Brown and seems to have taken on the same type of extreme stance in his madness of watching the horroble evil of slavery before his eyes. Is it history simply repeating itself only on an international scale?

Later they sang:

"John Bowin's body lies a moulting in the grave
But his Truth keeps marching on"

Cute cartoon, I must have missed it as a kid. I don't remember seeing it Saturday morning cartoons... They were PC even back then?

Just switch "Allahakhbar!" for "Heilhittler!" and same story all over again..." - right - in - the - Mullah's - faaaace!!!" - LOL

Tomorrow night, Wednesday, Rosh HaShanah, the Jewish New Year begins.

Today, to honor the Jewish New Year, I suppose, the NY Times gave over its op-ed page to the Imam of the Ground Zero mosque, Abdul Rauf.

He says one thing which, as a specialist in the Hebrew language, I feel competent to comment on.

He writes:

"The very word “islam” comes from a word cognate to shalom, which means peace in Hebrew. The Koran declares in its 36th chapter, regarded by the Prophet Muhammad as the heart of the Koran, in a verse deemed the heart of this chapter, “Peace is a word spoken from a merciful Lord.”

Nice try, Imam, but no cigar.

The word Islam does not come from the word for peace.
Neither in Hebrew nor in Arabic.

Islam is an Arabic word. It comes from the Arabic root for submission. A Muslim is one who submits.

Here is what the Wikipedia Islamic/ Arabic dictionary writes:
"The Arabic root word for Islam means submission, obedience..."

To say that it comes from the Hebrew word shalom ( which in Arabic is salaam) is absurd.

This appears to be part of a campaign on the supporters of the mosque to pretend that they are just anothr ecumenical, kumbaya group.

Nothing could be further from the turth.

If they truly cared about anyone else's feelings they would put their 13 story monument to Islamic Jihad elsewhere.

We are about to celebrate the Jewish New Year, starting Wednesday night.

This is not the time for anyone professing peace to disseminate lies implicating Hebrew words with Islam, an ideology which regards Jews, according to Muhammad, as apes and Christians as worse.

Here is one of many quotes about Jews from their holy book, the Koran, 59:14, "The Jews are devoid of sense. There is a grievous punishment awaiting them. Satan tells them not to believe so they will end up in Hell."

I suppose that lies and subterfuge are to be expected from the likes of Imam Rauf.

http://www.jewishdailyreport.wordpress.com

On a tactical level, I agree with General Petraeus. I do not doubt the truth of his statements.

On strategic, political, and philosophical levels, I agree with Robert Spencer. I do not doubt the truth of his statements.

So, how to reconcile these views? Simple. General Petraeus should have made a personal and private appeal to the pastor requesting that he "postpone" his demonstration. The pastor could have publicly stated that the situation faced by our soldiers have "compelled" him to "delay" his protest. No appearance of dhimmitude needed.

There is another way to reconcile these views, but it's not so simple: get a bigger military, and use it more ruthlessly. In the end we will probably get there anyway.

OT:

EUROPE IS BECOMING 'ISLAMIZED' WARNS VATICAN OFFICIAL AS HE URGES CHRISTIANS TO HAVE MORE CHILDREN:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1309919/Europe-Islamised-warns-Vatican-official-urges-Christians-children.html

I still think it's a bad idea. It's human nature that the more others take away a text, specially a religious one, or ban it, the more they're going to want it.

I don;t think people in teh U.S. know yet, how savage these islamics are. Look at what they've been doing in france these last few years. Rioting, burning cars, breaking store windows, not even the police could control them.

It may have repercussions worldwide. Who know if thse psychos will riot not only in Fla, but elsewhere.

This idiot "pastor" may be opening a Pandora's box. These islamics are violent and robotic, do we need to put our lives in danger?

How much have things changed!!!

1943: Someone in Florida (Disney)
does something making fun of our enemies'(nazis)
cherished symbols.
Eisenhower doesn't give a d**n.

2010: Someone inf Florida (Dove Outreach Center)
does something making fun of our enemies' (Taliban)
cherished symbols.
Petraeus gets all concerned about the lack of sensitivity.

disgusting...

A good friend of mine who grew up in the inner city told me that in order to survive, sometimes he had to act totally crazy...and then the gangs would leave him alone.

Nothing about a book-burning event makes me proud. However, we, as a nation, cannot decide to "act crazy" so that the gangs leave us alone. I think we, as a nation, want desperately to be left alone. To be free to make money and raise kids and buy SUVs, that we will do just about anything...including acting crazy by appeasing the gangs regarding a Quran burning.

I don't discount that Petraeus has befriended many Muslims and those in the Taliban/mujahiden, or that he has found them to be a sweet people...John J. Rambo did too. But Petraeus also must be aware that the only time political Islam comes to a halt is when it runs into the hard fist of Christian civilization.

A good friend of mine who grew up in the inner city told me that in order to survive, sometimes he had to act totally crazy...and then the gangs would leave him alone.

Nothing about a book-burning event makes me proud. However, we, as a nation, cannot decide to "act crazy" so that the gangs leave us alone. I think we, as a nation, want desperately to be left alone. To be free to make money and raise kids and buy SUVs, that we will do just about anything...including acting crazy by appeasing the gangs regarding a Quran burning.

I don't discount that Petraeus has befriended many Muslims and those in the Taliban/mujahiden, or that he has found them to be a sweet people...John J. Rambo did too. But Petraeus also must be aware that the only time political Islam comes to a halt is when it runs into the hard fist of Christian civilization.

It is EXTREMELY SHOCKING that a US General (who takes an oath "to defend the Constitution") AND the US State Department both feel compelled to denounce an act by patriotic Americans TO EXERCISE THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. WTF does the State Dept have to do WITH AMERICANS IN AMERICA? Aren't they tasked with dealings with "foreign countries"? Of course, to the Obamunists, real Americans ARE foreigners, so I guess that fits.

This is a very worrying sign of a pre-dhimmified attitude by the General. He is much too smart to confuse cause and effect like this, but I will help him out like a 3d grader: "General Petraeus, Muslims are not attacking your troops in Afghanistan because some Americans in Florida are burning a koran. No, some Americans in Florida are burning a koran because Muslims have been butchering Americans for ~40 years. Got it?"

Gee, do you think that medical team slaughtered in Afghanistan a few weeks ago had also provoked their own murders? I'm sure the Florida koran-burning was foremost in the killers' minds...

Off-topic, but Castro has publicly told Imamaddinnerjacket to shut up and stop slandering Jews:

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2010/09/fidel-to-ahmadinejad-stop-slandering-the-jews/62566/

While I agree, it is Terry Jones and his Dove World Outreach Center's right to burn the Qur'an according to the Constitution, I think by committing this libricide it merely brings him and his church down to the level of the radical Islamic fools that commit the atrocities mentioned.

I am an ex-Muslim.

Great video. Looks like old man Disney was no coward when the chips were down. He knew an evil ideology when he saw one. Too bad the same can’t be said about the current mainstream media and academia in general.

Substitute the Nazi Swastika for the Islamic Star and Crescent and replace Hitler with Muhammad and you’d really have something…

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The sad fact of the matter is that Afghanistan and its Muslim victims of Islam have no hope for a prosperous future with Muhammad’s cult leading the way.

And god forbid that you are an ex-Muslim living in Afghanistan and your apostasy becomes widely known. Your life as you knew it would be over - if you were not murdered outright on the spot. Islamic theology and Islamic law (the Sharia) state that those who leave Islam are to be killed.

Makes one wonder if Petraeus has any clue how 'different' this particular 'religion' is.

Here are just a few of the many horrendous passages to be found in Islam’s canonical texts referring to apostasy in Islam:

Hadith: Bukhari, Vol. 9, Book 84, No. 57:
Narrated Ikrima
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, “If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Apostle forbade it, saying, ‘Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire)’. I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Apostle, ‘Whoever changes his Islamic religion, then kill him.’”

The Koran:

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What is the matter with you, then, that you have become two parties about the hypocrites, while Allah has made them return (to unbelief) for what they have earned? Do you wish to guide him whom Allah has caused to err? And whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall by no means find a way for him.

004.089
They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-

009.073
O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.

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O ye who believe! Whoso of you becometh a renegade from his religion, (know that in his stead) Allah will bring a people whom He loveth and who love Him, humble toward believers, stern toward disbelievers, striving in the way of Allah, and fearing not the blame of any blamer. Such is the grace of Allah which He giveth unto whom He will. Allah is All-Embracing,

009.066
Make no excuse. Ye have disbelieved after your (confession of) belief. If We forgive a party of you, a party of you We shall punish because they have been guilty.

http://www.considerationsofacanadianex-muslim.org

Eisenhower: Der Führer's Face song could endanger troops -- no, wait...
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I just saw Anderson Cooper on CNN self-righteously grilling (pun intended) the Reverend Terry Jones on his show, asking him over and over in increasing hectoring tones "IS THE LIFE OF A MARINE NOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOUR EVENT?"

Like Robert Spencer and the JW board, I am no fan of this Qur'an bar-b-que—it has disturbing historical antecedents and is not a reasoned critique of the book itself.

That being said, what are they going to demand next? That all American women veil themselves or they are going to murder more of our armed forces?

I can just see Anderson Cooper now, screaming at some Western woman, asking her if her hairstyle is more important than the life of a marine.

What if they demand that we accept full Shari'ah law? That we let ourselves be ruled by a Caliphate?

I can see Anderson Cooper now, asking if your freedoms are more important...

Hello all at Jihad Watch.

Firstly I have to praise Mr. Robert Spencer, Ms.Marisol and Mr. Hugh Fitzgerald for their courage and integrity to do what they are doing. The only honest thing: TELLING THE TRUTH!!!

I have been reading the articles and commentary of this site for some time now and I have to say, that the level of informed knowledge regarding Islam on this site is quite commendable, (indeed it is second to none). Thank you all for increasing my knowledge of what is Islam really is and enlightening me to the very real danger of this totalitarian ideology to our ‘Western’ way of life and civilization.

My hat is off to all of you contributors who are so tirelessly dedicated to exposing the truth of this totalitarian ideology, which masquerades as a ‘peaceful’ religion. My education is in philosophy (mostly philosophy of logic) and I am quite impressed with many of the contributors to this site, specifically the degree and depth of the logical argumentation exposing the fallacious reasoning (if you can even call it ‘reasoning’ of the Islamic apologists). Bravo!

The reason I find myself checking this site (sometimes now 2, 3, 4 times a day) was because of the just recent (now the second, who knows how many others that we don’t know about) nefarious jihadist terrorist plot that was foiled in my country of Canada. The most recent in Ottawa, and the one of 4 years ago in Toronto. Honestly and unfortunately, I fear that it is inevitable that we will be attacked (with the constant increase in the number of jihadis that are entering my country) so I went looking for a site to get a true perspective of what motivates these individuals to contemplate and to attempt to carry out such irrational, wanton, destruction. I believe that I have found that site. JW

Although I have lived long enough to remember (Munich 1972, Iran 1979, Beirut 1983 etc.) I was brought up in peaceful, civilized country and I had problems comprehending what would drive such fanatical hatred and egregious violence. I was always told (indoctrinated!) that deep down all religions are all essentially the same: good, decent, loving, giving etc. and there is no difference between the world’s various religions fundamentally.
After 9/11 there was no doubt! I knew I was being lied to by the leftwing, PC, moral relativist deceivers.
There is a world of difference between Political Islam (Totalitarianism) and other religions.

This is now the year 2010: The human race has put men on the moon, mapped the human DNA, cured many diseases etc. I witness our advancing knowledge in all of the ways of science: cosmology, astronomy, nuclear physics, medicine, biology, chemistry etc. (too many to mention) along with all the beauty and grandeur of our various arts throughout history: music, literature, painting, film etc. And yet, it is beyond comprehension that there are individuals on this planet that actually threaten and will kill people for drawing a cartoon, burning a book etc. and who are not able to see the utter bizarre contradiction of idealizing a man who even their own holy texts verify and confirm committed acts that any ‘rational moral’ person would consider evil. How utterly non-sensical and grotesquely sick and deranged!
Is this Satan?

I have told some of my close friends about this site. Hopefully they will tell their friends etc, If we all let our (intelligent and open minded) relatives, friends etc know about this site then we can hopefully inform and enlighten enough people to the great danger to our civilization that this totalitarian ideology poses too all of us.

Hopefully this was not too long but I felt the need to get this off my chest.
Thank you all.

www.veteranoutrage.com

Personally I wouldnt do this for only one reason..
Because it will put our men and women in uniform in harms way...

It is selfish to do an act without thiniing about the consequences to others..

But I would have no problem if 100,000 AMERICANS
Each burned a copy of the koran..

Because this would be an entire country and its citizens using free speech to tell the muslims to start acting like grownups..

Not a church attacking islam..

So i contacted the pastor with this in mind..

Personally the Koran is the most evil book ever written by satan himself..

But if your so stupid to believe so child molesting, mass murdering maniacs book..

Well then you deserve to die and join mohammed roasting in hell..

It is your choice..

But i wouldnt do it as a church act..
Thats all im saying..

And the BBC exposes yet another episode of the Afghan love for young boys:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11217772

Some like their 72 in drag

This video is in Germany NOT avilable.

Damn double standard of the German Government.

Hmm.. now who do you suppose got on the telephone to the good general and said "we have a job.. err.. order for you to do" ?? (hint: State Dept?)

Imagine that, a general wringing his hands, because a religious book is going to get burned!

It's pretty obvious to everyone now, that Western civilization is dead.

And why not, since it has abandoned its moral and religious foundations?

The Taliban must be celebrating.

In 'The Guardian' today there is an article about the Qu'ran burning event.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/feedarticle/9255445

"The fire department has denied him (Terry Jones)a burn permit for September 11, but he has vowed to go ahead with his event. He said lawyers have told him his right to burn the Koran is protected by the First Amendment whether he has permission from the city or not.

At least two dozen Christian churches, Jewish temples and Muslim organisations in Gainesville are planning inclusive events, with some will reading from the Quran at their own services, to counter what the Rev Jones is doing."

Now, I wonder which passages they will be reading from the Qur'an? Verse of the Sword? I don't think so.

mike.ryan says:

"Off-topic, but Castro has publicly told Imamaddinnerjacket to shut up and stop slandering Jews:"

Sounds like Castro is ignorant about Islam and religious fanaticism. He talks to Ahmadinejad as if Ahmadinejad had a reasonable mind. Castro needs to read jihadwatch to understand. Otherwise what castro says sounds reasonable to Westeners but will never get across to a nut like Ahmadinejad.

For example, Castro believes that mentioning all the prejudice and suffering the jews have endured will somehow convince Ahmadinejad to stop cursing the Jews.

Castro doesn't understand that Ahmadinejad is just mirroring his prophet Mohammed who was a jew-hater and wrote jew-hate in his book and performed all sorts of jew-hating in his hadiths.

No amount of resonable arguments will get a religious muslim fanatic as ahnedinejad to stop hating jews, it's in his religion.

I repeat, castro is ignorant of what an average jihadwatch reader already knows

Let Islam desecrate what is holy to other religions: Islam has a long and continuing history of such behavior. Westerners should not place themselves on that level.
And burning the Quran only puts innocents in danger: the Muslims' anger, rage and hate will for once be based on something solid and not mere unsubstantiated claims.

correction:
after resistance I tryied typing along with the miraculous IT, sorry it's late, good nit everybody.

The question is not so much whether the Florida church has the right to burn this book or any other book. Their pastor, who proposed such a thing should ask first: Is it a wise thing to do? Will it in any way endanger the lives of an untold number of Christians who are living in Muslim lands, who will be held responsible for an act which they didn't personally perform or even approve of? I severely question not the right of this church to burn the Koran, but the wisdom of it. I hope they wil think twice before doing such a crazy thing.

If I were that Floridan pastor, presented with a pile of Koran, a bottle of fuel and a flintstrîke, not to mention a global audience via an attendent media, Eid not strîke the flint when the moment arrived, and teach the doubting world an essential lession. . .never burn books.

Rule number one when fighting, "Don't do it when you are emotionally overwrought." You will make mistakes, grave mistakes.

If the opponent is ready for your furious response and you do something even slightly wreckless, you're toast.

I'm not sure we're ready for the response it may create. So the Qur'an burning may be unwise. Were WE ready for the inevitable response then, done right, it might be a very effective ploy. It's symbolic because there are so many printed and online Qur'ans that burning one will not eliminate anything other than some long dead tree.

{^_^}

Piss Christ was a 1987 photograph by photographer Andres Serrano. It depicts a small plastic crucifix submerged in a glass of the artist's urine.

I bet there was an outrage over this.
Bombings, beheadings, flag burning, riots.....
Did the secretary of state condemn it?

Oh wait, no.

The piece was declared the winner of the Southeastern Center for Contemporary Art's "Awards in the Visual Arts" competition, which is sponsored in part by the National Endowment for the Arts, a United States Government agency that offers support and funding for artistic projects.
Hypocrites

What would happen to me if I burned a picture of Mohammed? Would muslims be in a dilemma? Do I burn it because I disrespect Mohammed or because I am destroying a forbidden image: Do they attack me or congratulate me? The answer is that because I am a Kaffir they attack me regardless. Walking on tiptoes around Islam is never going to be the answer to anything.

Well, a further objection I have to the Qu'ran burning is that Terry Jones supposedly wants to win people for Christ, but he's indulging in behavior that may suggest to many Muslims that there's a Christian "counter-Jihad"--complete with violence--going on. This is folly during a time when many Muslims are questioning their received religion, and inquiring into Christ and his work.

And this is said by someone who recognizes Jones' First Amendment rights.

Could our top most respected and decorated general be strategically trying to save his hide and lose this war in Arabic while pretending to win in English? Could he be 90% politician and 10% general?

What else am I supposed to believe when our beloved General Petraeus tells a US citizen to cease and decist from burning a copy of the Koran for fear of hurting our enemy's feelings. Burning books is not a good thing but for our military to think like a high school freshman is ridiculous.

We should not burn kuran if we are not prepared to burn mecca.

Well, well, well, more religious intolerance. What say I kill the good Terry Jones if he doesn't burn the Koran. Where does that leave him? Damned if he does and damned dead if he doesn't.
Why not burn all the "good" books to show we can - without being the subject of a death threat.
Us infidels are all under a sort of Fatwa anyway, so one more won't mean much.
Now is a good a time as any to burn the Koran and let the world see the outrage and the murderous rantings it will provoke from the "religion of peace". Just make sure that each and every rant is accompanied with "...religion of peace...".Don't allow anyone to lose sight of the hatred that can suddenly burst forth when Islam is insulted.
Bring it on, burn a few Korans, draw some caricatures of Mohammed enjoying himself in his sick ways....
I dedicate and name this week, "The stick it up Islam week" where all good infidels come out of the closet.

Pastor Terry Jones said....

"We will no longer be controlled and dominated by their fears and threats. It is time for America to return to being America."

In Islamic lands they not only destroy flags and books but also churches and synagogues. They also kill Christians and Jews for the 'crime' of merely being Christians and Jews.

By comparison a symbolic retaliation of burning a book pales into absurd insignificance.

Petraeus would have been wise to keep out of what is, in essence, a civilian matter. Is he at war with the Taliban or not? If so, when these relics of a bygone and barbaric age attack US troops they should be offered no mercy. How can the burning of a book on American soil alter that concept? Or the ROE's?

Unfortunately this conflict has degraded into a pseudo war and consequently we're loosing. We are hamstrung by political correctness even in the midst of a war.

In reality if the US were serious they'd either leave or blitz the place back to the stone age.

They're obviously not and Petraus's latest offering indicates why.

OT:
-There's been an uptick in rocket & mortar fire from Gaza. Six attacks on Israel since the end of the recent Israeli/fatah peace talks. (there was only 6 attacks in all of Aug...the ambush/murder of the Israeli citizens last week was thought to be a hamas cell from the west bank) The last flurry of rocket & mortar fire was when PM Cameron visited Turkey (3 before he said "gaza a prison camp" and 3 after)
http://twitter.com/qassamcount

-In the last week there's been two separate jihadi beheadings! (hey, for a new 'Saw' movie ..what if the guy converts to islam??)

-(from 6 weeks ago)"34 U.S. citizens and residents charged with ties to international jihadists in the past 18 months"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/34-us-citizens-and-residents-charged-with-ties-to-international-jihadists-in-the-past-18-months.html

Logdon - you are absolutely correct in saying we are choked and hamstrung by political correctness.
I hope we break free from these restraints and treat this like a war on fundamental Islam i.e Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran's mullahs.
All this pussy-footing about and not calling a spade a spade is weakening us in their eyes. Kindness, compassion and consideration are honourable - in our culture, but are seen as a weakness in these cultures.
Get tough and dirty your hands - before they are chopped off in the name of Islamic justice.

I don't see book burning as something intrinsically bad. After all we incinerate thousands of tons of old telephone books although they are infinitely more decent than the murderous pornography of kuran.

I would happily contribute to the kuran burning event if that would not trigger a wave of murderous pogroms of Christian in muhammedan lands.
The proper way to go with the kuran burning party would be to first make it clear to mohammedans that we are intending to do it and warn them that if they respond with attacking Christians we will retaliate with burning mecca.
But, as i said earlier, so long as we are not ready to carry out the latter we should not do the former.

For the sake of Christians trapped behind the enemy lines, I hope the good pastor will abandon his otherwise laudable idea.

Acts 19
18Many of those who believed now came and openly confessed their evil deeds. 19A number who had practiced sorcery brought their scrolls together and burned them publicly. When they calculated the value of the scrolls, the total came to fifty thousand drachmas. 20In this way the word of the Lord spread widely and grew in power.

One thing could make this symbolic, yes even artsy fartsy gesture better-a bunch of ex-muslims burning the Quran with the church.

I don't think the song and cartoon line up completely with the Koran burning for comparison's sake. Burning the Koran is an utterly destructive and uncreative way to communicate a message, whereas the song and cartoon is clever and creative. A modern equivalent might be the We Con the World video.

I appreciate the points that you are making here Robert, however I do not think they are the points we should be making right now. There's an opportunity here for an unequivocal condemnation from the non-Muslim world. Brigitte Gabriel's statement is right on target.

searching the Quran for burning

http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=burn&translator=5&search=1&start=0

for example

Indeed, Allah has heard the statement of those (Jews) who say: "Truly, Allah is poor and we are rich!" We shall record what they have said and their killing of the Prophets unjustly, and We shall say: "Taste you the torment of the burning (Fire)."
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #181)

or

Surely! Those who disbelieved in Our Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), We shall burn them in Fire. As often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for other skins that they may taste the punishment. Truly, Allah is Ever Most Powerful, All-Wise.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #56)

I'm not in favor of this book burning, for the simple reason, that I am not in favor of book burning...

This book burning will have the desired effect...Mahoundians will riot, here and there, kill a few people, and when the dust settles, nothing much will have changed...

What is interesting is that the leftist,liberal PC infected people, who have defended Islam, wrote articles, made rulings, smeared anti-jihadists in the most vile terms...are now revealing their real motives for supporting and appeasing Mahoundians...They are afraid of them...Please don't make the bully mad...You know how he gets when he's upset...All these 'brave' supporters are now shaking in their boots...Burning the Quran not only will test Mahoundians, it also tests weak kneed kufr, as to the source of their weakness...Cowardice...

Fred Barnes said on Fox News last night that Rev. Jones has blood on his hands if Muslims kill American troops in retaliation of this Quran burning event. Further removing responsibility from the jihadists who would kill in the name of Islam ANYWAY, with or without Rev. Jones' provocation.

OK, now that we know who agrees and disagrees, I have another question:

I'm bringing marshmallows and all-pork weinies. Who's bringing the buns?

perhaps I missed it above but has anyone noticed the ironic, nihilistic symmetry between the koran burning and the GZ mosque?..there was a 19th Century British actress who once said "it doesn't matter what you do in the bedroom just don't do it out in the street and scare the horses." I should remember the girl's name, shame on me. Of course the koran is the world's most burnable book, we may all agree on that. But one should collect cheap, used koran's and leave them next to the fireplace at home. The pages will make excellent kindling.........just don't do it out in the street and upset the animals. was it Yeats (or Keats?) who said, "moderation is the hallmark of civilization."

Is the general a wimp?
He and his country are at war.
This willingness to appease the enemy should not be the mental state of a man heading the troops of a nation at war.

I live in the north central Florida area. Just heard a caller from Gainesville say he saw Dove World Outreach members protesting with the Westboro Baptist Church when they came to Gainesville, Fla.

http://www.adl.org/main_Extremism/dove_world_outreach_center.htm

Supporting the Westboro Baptist Church

The Dove Center's views on homosexuality are similar to those of the Westboro Baptist Church, a virulently anti-gay and anti-Semitic hate group based in Topeka, Kansas. About 30 members of the Dove Center joined Westboro at a protest against a church in Gainesville in April 2010. Sylvia Jones, senior pastor at the Dove Center and the wife of Terry Jones, said that even though her church does "not agree with all of Westboro's methods, it admires "their determination to find radical ways to preach the truth of the Bible, as we do."

You are so right to criticize Petraeus for what must appear to our Islamic enemies as a cowering before Muslim wrath. It is essentially giving comfort to them - a mighty American general practically begging for no Koran burning out of fear.

Pastor Terry Jones is right to ask how long must we must bow to Islam and angry Muslims. The book burning may be criticized but always defended as a constitutional right and Muslims will just have to get use to such rights, however it runs against the whole idea of Islam.

This issue is no different than the Mo cartoons. A thought experiment: How long before Salvador Dali’s “blasphemous” caricature of Mohammed is expunged from art history classes? How about Auguste Rodin? or Gustave Dore?

Each of these artists caricatured Mohammed’s suffering in Hell— as related in Dante’s trilogy “The Divine Comedy” [Inferno XXVIII, 19-42]. http://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/dantes_inferno/

The same forces that recently plotted to destroy the fresco of Dante’s Inferno in Bologna’s Church of San Petronio remain at work today.
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1217873,00.html

And if Western media remain unwilling to fight this battle, what’s to stop the global Taliban from silencing any and every expression Muslims deem “offensive”? Archived depictions of Mohammed serve as a poignant reminder that such imagery has been part of Western AND ISLAMIC culture since the Middle Ages— and serve as a resource for those interested in defending free expression.
http://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/

You all forget to be SIMPLE ! Our war is not against flesh and blood, but a book that claims to be alive and advocates the cold blooded murder of innocent people. If I BUY a book, it is mine, not yours. If I want to burn it, that is my right. Whose book is it anyway?

From Drudge's Frontpage (as of 09/08/10, 12:45pm EST) about the church's plans to burn the qurans:

Vatican: 'Outrageous'...
NYPD: 'Dangerous'...
Holder: 'Idiotic'...
Clinton: 'Disgraceful'...

I ask, when was the last time "moderate" muslims - or our PC dhimmi government for that matter - used terms like these to describe muslims desecrating the Bible or the flag or any other holy books & relics? To describe muslims who deliberately offend non-muslims?

When was the last time "moderate" muslims even used terms like these to describe deadly islamic terrorism?

There is such a disgusting double-standard.

Comparing this WWII spoof against Germany, Japan and Italy, our enemies in that war, and Eisenhower’s non response, to the reaction of General Petraeus to the planned burning of the Qur'an in Florida is, I suspect unintentionally, misleading. America was on a full wartime footing during WWII. Every American was involved in the war effort. We were enraged, dedicated and determined to defeat our enemies whatever it took. The rules of engagement in the war zone were governed by the Geneva Convention. Civilian casualties were regrettable but all targets identified as threats, whatever their peacetime use or status, with very few exceptions, were fair game. The Germans did not discriminate in their selection of targets in the London V2 blitz and we did not discriminate in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This was war and all, on both sides, resignedly lived with the horror. General Eisenhower was not under orders to avoid civilian casualties even at the cost of an American soldier’s life. General Petraeus does not enjoy the same freedom of action.
Further, the Americans in charge of conducting this fiasco in Afghanistan, exclusive of our military, are so entangled in the web of political correctness and the mis-information emanating inexorably from the Muslim Brotherhood front organizations that infest almost every sector of American life that any action that is even remotely critical of Islam is immediately followed by the cringe (Dhimmi) response. And victory in Afghanistan as it has been defined puts our troops in a dangerous and vulnerable position made even more dangerous by a simple if deplorable expression of free speech.
In Eisenhower’s situation angering the enemy gave us a psychological and therefore strategic advantage. For General Petraeus in Afghanistan, angering the enemy is tantamount to a war crime. Not an enviable position but his reaction to this book burning is understandable. This is an encapsulation of where we’re at; win the hearts and minds, make friends with the civilian population and kill those Taliban bastards but whatever you do don’t get them angry.

Burning books like this for a PR stunt is stupid, but its there right to do with them as they please if its their personal property. However, we are engaged in asymmetric war in Afghanistan, with an enemy that doesn't follow the western laws of warfare. If the 4 Star General in charge with overseeing and being successful with that war says that there is a severe risk that by allowing and publicizing this Koran burning event will cost US/NATO lives then the pastors organizing this event needs to recognize this. I don't believe in limiting free speech but I'm not in Afghanistan fighting the Taliban. If I was, I would like to make it home and not worry about getting killed because of some book burning event. These troops are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice of their lives to fight these people and I think that we can make a little sacrifice too make sure they come home their families and not exacerbate risk.

I am at all worried about this Koran burning exercise - but you should be.

Why? Because all of a sudden it not just muslims involved - but Allah SWT.

DO you know how significant this would be to hurry up the end of the "kuffar" status of America. This would speed up the develop-ment of the USA to the ISA - Allah SWT would ensure it.

Desist this pastor for your own sakes - to protect your own miserable way of life such as it is.

Korea, 1951: A fighting-general is called-in to rescue a debacle after the Red Chinese enter
the war. General Matthew Ridgway implores his field-commanders to:

"Find the enemy. Fix him. Destroy him!"

Afghanistan, 2010: A new age wimp-general, David Petraeus, implores the folks back home:

"If you make the enemy angry, sniff, then he'll be, sniff, MEAN to us."

The wussification of America...

Obama - They have a right to build the ground zero mosque, thats what I stressed, not the wisdom of building the mosque

Thats fine Obama, should he now not also make a statement, that the Rev Terry Jones has the right to burn the Qurans under the freedom of expression? and keep quiet about the wisdom of doing so, as he is doing in the case of the mosque?

What does Allah SWT mean?

Petraus latest comment reveal a vastly more profound problem than that of the muslim PR consideration.
The fatal error is the implied assumption that the people of islamic countries will some day love America or at the very least given the opportunity not hate us and not conspire to kill or destroy us. This security is expected as sure as the next sunrise and as a result of our beneficence, including our blood and treasure.
If that assumption happens to be wrong as I believe it to be, the current approach is not only not helping but ultimately will directly lead to much greater expenditures of lives and treasure and as difficult as it is to accept even help in our defeat

@jdow, you're smart, sir.

Robert - I disagree with you, but agree with the pastor of that church. No matter *what* we do, they are goign to riot, burn effigies and generally be butthaids. I'm of the religious persuasion that Islam is of the devil, and I'd love to be there with a big bottle of lighter fluid and my trusty BBQ lighter. But then again, I'd throw on some NIVs and NASBs and NKJVs. Muslims desecrate churches, kill christians, and no one says anything. Enough dhimmitude. I get flack on Pestbook for posting some of your articles, but I am not going to stop. People need to *wake up* and smell the coffee - this is an insidious attack on Dar al Harb. Either (as you put it) by stealh jihad, or by blatantly fighting. I for one, am putting my foot down, and drawing a line in the sand.