Ground Zero imam issues veiled threat: if mega-mosque isn't built, "anger will explode in the Muslim world"

How quick this Feisal Abdul Rauf is to smell a new scent, and to follow it to its lair. Does General Petraeus warn darkly of what will happen if the cretinous Jones burns a Qur'an? Very well then, a warning that is limited in time and space, and issued by an American military commander, is entitled to be listened to with respect, if not entire agreeement.

But note how Feisal Abdul Rauf, who is on record as refusing to denounce a clear terrorist group devoted entirely to destroying an entire Infidel nation-state, that is Hamas, and who, furthermore, is also on record as wanting Muslims in the countries of the non-Muslim West to temporarily accept the secular laws but to work to change those laws and replace them, where they in his view need replacement -- that is, when they do not conform to the Shari'a -- so that the secular laws of the country become more and more those of the Shari'a. People do not understand what that means. That means he, Feisal Abdul Rauf, is calling for the overthrow -- not, given current circumstances, the violent overthrow, but still the overthrow -- of the American Constitution, that is of our legal and political institutions.

He couches it in a way that those used to the smooth cunning of the cleverest Muslim spokesmen cannot apparently fathom, just as it took a while for the French to fathom Tariq Ramadan. But thanks to a number of those who carefully examined Ramadan's various statements to Muslim and non-Muslim audiences, and his writings, it was clear what he was up to, and Caroline Fourest's "Brother Tariq" helped make it impossible for Tariq Ramadan to continue to operate as before in France, so he took himself off first to the Netherlands, and then to Great Britain, where he landed firs as a temporary lecturer at that center of Arab and Muslim propaganda, the Middle East Centre of St. Anthony's (for year the preserve of the late Albert Hourani, who helped make it a diploma mill--- no courses, no waiting, and no real scholarly vetting -- of such people as Rashid Khalidi) but when Tariq Ramadan grew tired of that, the rich Arabs of the Gulf (the Emir of Qatar, I believe, ultimately did the financial honors) bought him a professorship -- bought it, outright -- at Oxford.

Now Feisal Rauf, a cunning man and an evil, knowing just how ignorant of Islam, and of the history of Muslim triumphalist mosques, and of course of the role of the mosque, which is not only or merely a "house of worship" but much, much more,and playing on the personal devils and pretensions to high-sounding statesmanship (shades of Washington to Moses Seixas) of Mayor Bloomberg, and of course the ineffable editorial views of The New York Times and its willingly collaborating reporters (see Laurie Goodstein's reporting on Muslims in America, do) he has come far, very far.

But those who have read Rauf's books, who have parsed Rauf's sentences, and who are consequently impressed with him, or willing to let his lies (such as that, in an Op/Ed yesterday, where he spoke about the principle of the Golden Rule, a rule never observed by Muslims), and who are not quite as impressed with Mayor Bloomberg as Mayor Bloomberg appears to be, and who believe that practical wisdom -- the kind called for by Mr. Justice Jackson in a celebrated passage in his dissent in Terminiello ---- rather than dogmatic adherence is called for -- those people know exactly what Rauf is all about, and are willing, and able, to inform others.

One minute he's whining, the next he's threatening. One minute his tender sensibilities are deeply hurt, the next he couldn't care less about the feelings of other people.
One thing that does not change is his tiresome and hypocritical victimization, and that one is 14 centuries old.

Robert, Hugh, we need a movement, not just blogs. You need to find ways to stay in the big media after 9 / 11 protest. Your speeches on various conferences and events is fine, but you need to stay in the big media.

We need to keep the momentum after 9 / 11. So, let's organize other rallies that will raise the awareness about the Islamists terror and facists laws in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Libya...

Ask the Ground Zero imam to SIGN a petition for church in Kabul, for church in Riyadh, and a petition to change the Afghan and Saudi law that says to leave Islam and convert to any other religion is punishable by death.

I posted this segment of the CNN interview whereby Rauf was asked about financing from those who support Hamas. Saudi Arabia might fit the bill. We know Saudis have been caught red-handed supporting 'Palestinian' terrorism by the Israelis in the past. I believe it was "Operation Defensive Shield."

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/09/09/new.york.islamic.center.imam/index.html?hpt=C1#fbid=KyZhds_D-Ee&wom=false

Scroll approximately 8 minutes, 20 seconds into the video.

She (the interviewer) asks Imam Rauf about funding: "Will you turn down money from THOSE who say give money to Hamas?"

Rauf: "Absolutely!"

Interviewer: "Anyone who supports Hamas cannot give money to you...."

Notice how he begins hedging......

"If mega - mosque isn't built, anger will explode in the Muslim world ".

So what, Rauf ? Anger exploding in the Muslim world is a daily event.

"The imam behind a proposed Islamic community center and mosque near ground zero cautioned Wednesday that moving the facility could cause a violent backlash from Muslim extremists and endanger national security."

Oh really? Wait until Saturday, Sir Imam, and you'll see what our response to that is.

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I've got your flag for Australia. It's a beautiful 12" x 18" baby on a stick and I will take it to New York with me on Saturday for the rally. If you would like me to write a message on it just let me know. I thought I would put something like, "From Dumbledore's Army, Patriot from Australia".

If any of you guys hear from Dumbledore's Army on a different thread today would you let her know I've got her flag? I haven't seen her post anything in the last few days since I received it in the mail and she asked me to do this a while back.

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'Living with fear of the 'Religion of Peace', Now playing...
Chapter 11...Twisted taqiyya...Not so veiled threats...

The Imam speaks...
Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf told CNN that the discourse surrounding the center has become so politicized that moving it could strengthen the ability of extremists abroad to recruit and wage attacks against Americans, including troops fighting in the Middle East.

"But if you don't do this right, anger will explode in the Muslim world," he later said, predicting that the reaction could be more furious than the eruption of violence following the 2005 publication of Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad....

Yes...We must do this right, or the Religion of Peace', will rampage...Uh huh, sounds like threat and intimidation,
do it right (our way) or get beat up, maybe killed...
Also sounds like something a two bit thug might say...
I would not be surprised if Rauf and Rasool Obama are in constant communication...

Chapter 12 is being written as I type...watch for it...

This is what needs to be done to Rauf and his thugs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkWS9PiXekE

And here's a bit o' how to fight back, if it comes to that:

http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2009/03/get-your-shit-in-one-bag.html#tp

This imam is nothing but the usual lying hypocrite as mandated by his book. At one point he said once the decision to build a mosque on some spot is made it can't be changed and therefore he will build the mosque on Ground Zero.

The story keeps changing. Wait for the next version!!!

"If I knew this would happen, if it would cause this kind of pain, I wouldn't have done it," he said.

Well you did know this would happen and you did it anyway you filthy liar. Your intentions were never good in the first place.

The message you just gave us is that this has been a victory mosque all along. Why else would Extremist be upset if we move it?

No the message should be if bad baby Islam throws a tantrum it should be prepared for a spanking.

"But if you don't do this right, anger will explode in the Muslim world"

So what else is new?

This is our nation, and every poll demonstrates that Americans don't want the mosque to be built at its current planned location.

Move the damn thing and be done with it, Feezel.

So now they will be 'insulted' if we do NOT build the mosque? I just hope that enough people in this country are beginning to see some of the problems that we are facting when dealing with Islam. And these are nowhere near the immidiate problems that Israel faces for the same reasons.

Robert, You are my favorite! I look foward to reading Jihad Watch with my coffee everyday! You put exactly how I feel into words! You have a gift! Thank you for informing me and explaining how I feel! I foward Jihad Watch to all my friends everyday. Thank YOU!!

The threat posed last night by Iman Rauf was hardly veiled when I heard it. I clearly read it as a threat instantly when he said it.

The talking heads including Zakaria came to the defense of Iman Rauf (of course)on Anderson Cooper 360 after the Larry King segment hosted by Soledad O'Brian who actually did a pretty good job as a layman as she pressed questions at him. The other 2 layman on Anderson 360, a NYC Constrution worker and a sister of one who lost his life in the towers in 9-11 picked up on the threat by Iman Rauf immediately and would not back down from how they read it (hooray for them) as the others including Zakaria bought into the Imans comments hook,lign, and sinker.

He put it out there deliberately as if to say; We must build the Mosque or there will be greater violence than what occurred over the Mohammed Cartoon. This was a clear attempt at intimidating the American People which is what Muslims try to do all over the world when they want their way.The threat was obvious and he repeated at least twice calling it of all things now a "national security issue" I SAY BULL CRAP!!.

No doubt the dhimmis up at the state department are already spinning this differently I guarantee.

Ground Zero imam issues veiled threat: if mega-mosque isn't built, "anger will explode in the Muslim world"
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I knew this threat was coming. It was quite predictable.

What I *didn't* expect was that the threat would be issued by the "good Imam" himself. The mask is not merely "slipping" now; it is off altogether.

But of course, he would demur, it is not he who is doing the threatening—he is merely reminding us of the tender sensitivities of his co-religionists in that great Faith of Peace™, Islam.

More:

"The headlines in the Muslim world will be that Islam is under attack"
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Islam is considered "under attack" if they can't build their gloating, triumphalist mosque in the "rubble of the World Trade Center" (Rauf's own deeply disturbing words); it is "under attack" if some pastor at a tiny, obscure church in Florida decides to bar-b-que a couple of Qur'ans; it is "under attack" if some minor cartoonist in Seattle decides it would be fun to have an "Everybody draw Muhammad Day" on Facebook; it is "under attack" if they cannot raise supremacist minarets in Switzerland, it is "under attack" if the French or the Belgians balk at the grim spectacle of burqa-clad women in the streets of Paris and Brussels, it is "under attack" if some tiny congregation of Christians wants to build a church in Indonesia; it is "under attack" if Nigeria and Afghanistan don't impose *full* Shari'ah, since no amount of Shari'ah is ever enough.

If you put up *any* "obstacles" to the virulent spread of Islam, you may expect that "anger will explode in the Muslim world"—you know, because they have been so peaceful and so infinitely patient so far.

Yawn. Anger, explode, Islam under attack, eruption, violence, recruit, jihadis, violent backlash, endanger national security, strengthen ability, wage attacks, furious.

This guy is really subtle - all those nice words of advice to his Jihadi friends in 2 paragraphs.

Response from Abeem Osama.

Sorry, friend, religion of peace, not my fault, not our fault, respect, friendship, great religion, peace, friendship, not responsible, despicable act, admirable religion, please, thankyou, forgive, cannot condone, relationship, relationships, together..........

My response to both, unprintable.

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I'm delighted he's done it. He's shown, for all to see, what lies under the smiles and the wiles. He is a cruelly determined man, but at long last, not quite as clever as I thought him to be. I'd already written, two weeks ago, a speech to be delivered by Feisal Abdul Rauf when he returned from his State-Department tour, a speech in which he would decide, in more-in-sorrow terms, to withdraw his proposal for the mosque, because he "cared so deeply about this country" and did not wish it harm. Now I see that he is taking that theme, and using it as part of an extortion plot: we have to go through with this mosque, you see, much as I, kind Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, sweet Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, golden-rule-observing Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, at this point would gladly withdraw it myself, because the acts of "extremists" (i.e., the non-Muslim "extremists" who have clearly drawn the line, made this mosque a point of great symbolism -- as if it did not already possess a great, and for non-Muslims, intolerable symbolism of Muslim triumphalism) have now made that impossible. For were the mosque not to go through, then Muslims everywhere -- oh, I have nothing to do with it, I wish it were otherwise (so implies kind, sweet, golden-rule-observing Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf)-- would be very very angry, and you know how Muslims can be when they get very, very, angry, and so it has now become, this triumphalist mosque, a matter of national security.

And so it is, in truth, a matter of national security. But not in the way that Feisal Abdul Rauf wishes you to believe. No. Now that the lines have been drawn, now that the symbolism of the mosque has been established, its importance even magnified, and the Muslim threat of violence which Feisal Abdul Rauf himself raises and waves about, in order to require submission to what is now, clearly, for Muslim and non-Muslim alike, a symbol of Muslim triumpalism akin to those mosques built smack on the Temple Mount, or in Damascus out of the Church of St. John the Baptist, or Istanbul, where Hagia Sophia was turned into a mosque.

And that symbol is to be constructed a block or two from the greatest act of civilian mass-murdering in the history of the United States, the most powerful Infidel land. Even now that land, far from "making a war on Islam" as Muslims -- who for 1350 years have been making war on Non-Islam and continue to do so, through various means including non-military ones, today -- has squandered and is squandering trillions of dollars trying vainly to help Muslim countries in order, so it is wrongly believed, to make them "less vulnerable to Al Qaeda" and therefore, presumably, less of a threat -- a policy that does the very opposite of what should be done, which is to let Muslim states crumble, and their peoples suffer from that crumbling, as they are forced, as Ataturk once was forced, to understand that Islam, unconstrained, and unchallenged, is the cause of their miseries and not the solution to them.

In Jerusalem, in Damascus, in Constantinople, in many places where there were once Hindu temple complexes all over India, the mosques that replaced them, or that pre-existing Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Jain, Buddhist structures were destroyed in whole or in part and used as building material for these mosques, were symbols of military conquest.

But today, outright conquest through military means is neither necessary nor possible. Because Infidels are not hampered in the enterprise of science, they are and will always remain technologically superior to the Islamic world -- what Churchill in his famous passage about Islam in "The River Wars" described as "the strong arms of science." ButM Muslims have been allowed to settle deep within non-Muslim lands, behind what they have been taught to regard as enemy lines, and from within, exploiting the very freedoms that developed in the advanced West and that could not for one minute exist in Muslim lands, are determined to change those countries from within, to weaken their resolve, by confusing their understanding, and to work to remove all obstacles to the spread, and then the dominance, of Islam.

I assumed that Feisal Abdul Rauf was going to do the cleverest thing, and to return from his trip abroad, and to make a speech, in a more-in-sorrow tone, that would have him withdrawing the mosque proposal, "because I love this country too much to rend it asunder" or some such.

Here is the kind of obvious thing I had in mind:

I have just returned from a trip to Muslim countries undertaken on behalf of my own country, the United States. This was my second such trip. My first trip was during the Administration of President George Bush, and my second is during the Administration of President Barack Obama. Both men wanted me to take to the world’s Muslims the message of a proud American Muslim, to tell them of how America works, of how our policy of tolerance ensures that someone such as I, for example, can be entrusted with such a mission even at a time when American forces are engaged in two Muslim countries, engaged of course not to harm Islam, but to help Muslims find their true path, their true destiny, without succumbing to the violent extremists within Islam, as within other faiths, who have lately been so much in the news, and who we all know are our common enemies.

When I left, just a few weeks ago, I knew there was some opposition afoot, and some plans hatching in certain political circles, to attempt to whip up popular sentiment against what some keep calling, though no Muslim I know ever did, the “Ground Zero” mosque. I invite anyone – anyone – to look at a map of lower Manhattan, and to tell me that the building that was bought, with the intention of creating a Muslim community center which would contain a mosque, but which would also contain lecture halls, and a library, and rooms for social events, and all the other things that would benefit not only the Muslims who would attend the mosque, but all the people, Muslim and non-Muslim alike, who would be invited to many of those lectures, who would be invited to social events too, in order to find out more about Muslims who apparently are such a source of agitation and worry. I want – we all want – to put any misunderstandings to rest.

And just before I left, I had heard the magnificent speech of Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who who called upon all of us to remember just who, as Americans, we are and what America is all about. He reminded us of the great defense of religious freedom that our first President, George Washington, had sent to a member of the Touro Synagogue, in Portsmouth, Rhode Island. He said that he stood by those of us who wanted to build a Muslim Center that would also be a center for outreach, for mutual understanding, for tolerance. He said it would be a travesty of all that he – that we – hold dearest, if those who would divide us – the dividers, the haters – managed to have their way, to stop this Muslim community center, which has now been demonized as part of some kind of plot to establish Muslim supremacy, when it is nothing more and nothing less than what I, and my wife Daisy, and so many others always wanted it to be, a place where people could pray, could learn, could listen, could laugh, could come together in this vibrant metropolis, with all its splendid diversity.

And as I made my way through one Muslim country after another, I read, and heard, the echoes of what was going on at home, and I thought about what would be best for everyone, and finally I decided that I had to make a decision along with fellow members of the Muslim community. I listened with great respect, too, to Mayor Bloomberg and to others. And so today, it is with a heavy heart, but with a feeling of deep relief and continued belief in the goodness and rightness of this country, that I announce that the project that was to be built, so many of us had hoped, in lower Manhattan, will not be built where we had, in our innocence, planned to build it. Instead, we have decided to accept the gracious offer of Governor Paterson for a site elsewhere. And it is on that site that we shall build our Muslim center, as that model place of tolerance and outreach that we had always had in mind. And all those who visit us will be reminded, merely by its placement, of the kind of attitudes we have had to overcome, and that they, or their own ancestors, once had to overcome in the same way.

I hope – I do not expect, but I hope – that this will forever end what the dividers, and the mockers, and the haters, have tried to encourage, in order to suit their own small-minded political goals. And during this difficult time, when a plan for a community center was twisted by talk-show hosts and others hoping to cash in, into some kind of beachhead for an invading army, thankfully tens of millions of Americans have stood by us, have reaffirmed the noblest traditions of this country. And now that we have decided to remove the source of such controversy, let us hope that those talk show hosts, and those hate-site bloggers, who will no doubt savor their victory, and crow over it, but at least may have the decency to now let us get on with the business of building, slowly and quietly, as men of good will, a truly diverse United States of America, and that there will be no further hate-filled opposition whipped up against a mosque or a community center with a mosque, anywhere in these United States.

And let us build an America where there is no compulsion in religion, and where all shall be free of the shackles that prevent them from learning how to approach, from every angle, that path, so wide and so welcoming, that inevitably takes mankind on the best and truest way to know God, and to fulfill his will, and his directives, here on earth.

Thank you."

Well, I was wrong. It turns out that Feisal Abdul Rauf is determined that nothing shall put him off. He senses American confusion, naivete, ignorance, and who, given Mayor Bloomberg, and the editorial board of The New York Times, and reporters such as Laurie Goodstein, can deny he has grounds for so thinking? He's a dab hand at manipulating such people, and assorted rabbis and minister, ignorant of Islam and consequently of the real meaning of what Feisal Abdul Rauf is saying, are apparently naively impressed, even at times ecstatic, because of a statement he once made at a memorial service for Daniel Pearl, at Temple B'nai Jeshurun in Manhattan, addressing Judea Pearl:

"We are here to assert the Islamic conviction of the moral equivalency of our Abrahamic faiths [Muslims use this "Abrahamic faiths" business only with non-Muslims; they know that the Muslim Abraham is the only one who counts, and that Judaism and Christianity are false religions, and their adhernets Kuffar, the ungrateful ones, who refused to recognize the message delived to the Seal of the Prophets, Muhammad]. If to be a Jew means to say with all one's heart, mind and soul Shma` Yisrael, Adonai Elohenu Adonai Ahad; hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One, not only today I am a Jew, I have always been one, Mr. Pearl. If to be a Christian is to love the Lord our God with all of my heart, mind and soul, and to love for my fellow human being what I love for myself, then not only am I a Christian, but I have always been one Mr. Pearl. And I am here to inform you, with the full authority of the Quranic texts and the practice of the Prophet Muhammad, that to say La ilaha illallah Muhammadun rasulullah is no different. It expresses the same theological and ethical principles and values."

Now Feisal Abdul Rauf has enough practice at this sort of thing to know that he would be willingly misunderstood, especially at such an event, reeking of interfaith-harmoniousness, and knows few in his audience that day, or perhaps later, will understand what it is he means. And what he means, what he meant, is the opposite of what others will assume. He means: "If to be a Jew means NO MORE THAN to say "hear ) Israel" then I am a Jew" because a good Jew would "hear" and no longer call himself a Jew but call himself a Muslim, for we are all born Muslim, and to harken properly for Jews -- or to harken properly for Christians, in his next treacly but apparently not to all tranparent -- is to be, and Feisal Abdul Rauf knows this perfectly well -- to be a Muslim. In Feisal Abdul Rauf's world, to be a "good Jew" or a "good Christian" who harkens to the Lord is necessarily to be a Muslim. That is his meaning, and he who grew up in this country has spent his life figuring out how to say one thing, and cloak it, so that Infidels will misunderstand, and apply their own frame of reference, and endow with their own soothing meanhing, that which he says. He's gotten away with it for so long, and no doubt, with an ever-diminishing group of the willingly credulous, will continue as before.

He has stated, in a tricky way, perfectly orthodox Islam: everyone is born a Muslim. If I am a true Jew, or a true Christian, I will necessarily be true to what those words mean by becoming a Muslim. Replacement theology is what Islam is all about. It is, after all, a Total Belief-System concocted out of pre-Islamic Arab pagan lore, with bits and pieces (mostly names and stories, appropriated in greatly changed, even distorted out of all recognition, fashion), one designed to both justify and promote conquest, by primitive Arabs, of far more settled, wealthy, populous, and civilised Christians and Jews (and subsequently Zoroastrians in Sassanian Persia). Just as Christianity came to contain anti-Judaic themes (which later, over time, became antisemitic ones), for it was important for the early Christians to present Christianity as a new, improved faith, and that required, if they were to obtain market share, to denigrate the prior-in-time monotheism, Judaism, so Islam had to denigrate, and did so to a much greater extent, the two prior-in-time monotheisms of Judaism and Christianity. And that is why Islam is based so much on a division of humanity between Believers and Unbelievers, Muslims and Infidels.

With Feisal Abdul Rauf's new theme -- the theme that "if I am not allowed to build this mosque right where I wish to build it, despite the opposition of almost all of those related to those murdered by Muslims on 9/11/2001 [that novemdectet of Muslim Arabs inspired by the texts of Islam and their own unhappinesses or insufficiencies that led them to take those texts, and the hatred thost texts inculcate, even more deeply to heart than usual] --then Muslims all over the world will be very very angry, and take it out -- [as if they are not already taking out their own Islam-caused miseries and aggression on all kinds of helpless non-Muslims in their midst, and under their power] -- on Americans and other non-Muslims.

With this threat, Feisal Abdul Rauf has made a fatal mistake. He has so clearly shown that behind Muslim demands lies the threat of Muslim violence. He may couch his own demands, that continue without modification, in the most cunning way he can, like some extortionist saying to a potential victim "hey, I'm not violent, but my brother-in-law, you know, I can't be responsible for what he might do, and he can get very very angry."

He's not a good man, Feisal Abdul Rauf, not a man who believes in the Golden Rule -- a claim he amazingly made in an Op/Ed the other day in The Times, as if we in the Western world are unaware that 2000 mosques have been built in the U.S., and 6000 in Europe, and in all that time churches and Hindu temples and Buddhist statues and so much more have been steadily destroyed all over the Muslim countries, and for all the millions of non-Muslims who make the Gulf Arab states work, and are indispensable to them, exactly one, or is possibly two? -- tiny structures have been put up, without any crosses or identifying signs whatsoever -- one in Qatar and one in Bahrain, for Christian worship.

And yet he, Feisal Abdul Rauf, dares to talk about doing unto others as.... Well, perhaps we should behave as Muslims do, ad do unto them as they do, all over Dar al-Islam, to us. Or would that, in Feisal Abdul Rauf's eyes, be illegitimate? And if so, what has he done, what single thing has he done, to make the vast Muslim lands safe, not for thousands of churches, Hindu and Buddhist temples, Zoroastrian centers, even (dare we even hope it?) a synagogue or two, for the pathetic remnants of Jews left in a handful of Muslim countries?

Anything? Nothing?

Oh, with this threat, and the implication that he will "
save American lives" by proceeding with the mosque, this forked-tongue extortionist has shown himself.

No matter how this is now handled or mishandled by some in the anti-mosque or anti-Islam brigade, it is Feisal Abdul Rauf who has shot himself in the foot, who has done the most damage to himself.

I'm delighted. Aren't you?

I assume our speakers will be dissecting this threat from Rauf thoroughly and repeatedly on Saturday. These points that must be made. The public has to be awakened to the fact that if a radical imam (which is what Rauf is) predicts a violent reaction to a peaceful, legal protest it means that responsibility for the violence belongs on the doorstep of the Islamists, not on the protestors.

Everything has a veiled threat with it, this is how Islam operates. This rat Imam knew this when it was proposed and he's a moderate, he should be deported.

Iman Rauf referred to those against his mega Mosque near ground zero as extremists, Soledad O'Brien shot back at him; but more than 70 Pct.of Americans and New Yorkers are against the Mosque near ground zero, Rauf said I didn't mean them --WHAT???.

Rauf even tried to convince Soledad and the those watching that Islam is a Peaceful religion, fool me once,and fool me twice well you know it---The American People are not buying your BS anymore Mr.Rauf. You may have worked tirelessly to convince the elitist in this country that you are a bridge builder to other religions, but for me you are a bridge builder to Islam only.

Anyone want to buy a bridge??

Tried and tested Islamic method throughout the centuries..many dhimmis submitted including my ancestors who left us in this sorry state...unfortunately for Islam...Americans are no dhimmis..some of us might seem to act this way..they are not dhimmis..they are just clueless liberal soles..

The essential:

If Muslims react violently and irrationally, they bear the full responsibility for doing so, and we will not change our actions in the face of threats of violence.

And from an earlier article, more of the essential:

[Obama] could have said, and should have said, that while he disagrees with the idea of burning the Qur'an, he would defend the liberty of Americans and the principle of freedom of expression. He could have said that anyone who murders an innocent person in Pakistan or Afghanistan or anywhere else because of this is entirely responsible for the murder, and Terry Jones and the other Qur'an-burners bear no responsibility for the actions of others. He could have said that to threaten violence and to commit acts of violence because of this is irrational, it's madness -- and, for that matter, it confirms the image of Islam as a religion of violence that Obama himself is so anxious to refute.

Here's a new initiative that could be the seed of something very important in time.

It's called the Ground Zero Declaration, which everyone should sign.

By signing the Ground Zero Declaration, you join in its request of four things from the Ground Zero Imam (Rauf) and his associates:

1. Rauf and his associates should go through a questionnaire titled "The Qur'an vs. the Constitution: Questionnaire for Muslims seeking free practice of their religion in America." The questionnaire asks ten questions (each of which highlights an aspect of Islamic doctrine that conflicts with U.S. law, the Constitution, and Bill of Rights) and asks Muslims to answer yes or no, as to whether they repudiate each aspect of Islamic doctrine that conflicts with American law and values.

2. Rauf and his associates should sign the "Freedom Pledge". A group of former Muslims is sending The Freedom Pledge to American Muslim leaders and challenging them to sign it. Signing the Freedom Pledge means rejecting Muhammad's statement, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him." The Freedom Pledge opposes any physical intimidation or worldly or corporal punishment for apostates from Islam.

3. Rauf and associates should demand that Muslim nations grant non-Muslim religions the same freedom to build houses of worship that America grants Muslims.

4. Rauf and associates should move their planned Islamic Center farther from Ground Zero.

The Declaration then ends by saying that

These simple steps would demonstrate their goodwill, and open the door to a productive dialogue with and about Islam. It would establish a clear distinction between a Reformed Islam that is compatible with American values and a jihadist Islam that seeks to destroy them.

Apart from these steps, we have no reason to believe that the Cordoba House [the Ground Zero Mosque] will in any way be beneficial to American society or inter-faith dialogue. In the shadow of 9/11, the burden of proof is on Imam Rauf to help us understand why we should tolerate an ideology that, at first glance, seems intolerant of everything America stands for.

If he refuses to supply such proof [for example, by carrying out the four actions listed above], then we ask our city, state and federal leaders to judge them by their own standards and give them no more freedom than they are willing to give others. We do not believe a commitment to freedom means giving our enemies the freedom to destroy us.

The choice is theirs.

(my bolding) I like the bolded paragraph a lot, especially since I've read the three documents: the Ground Zero Declaration, "Freedom Pledge", and the Questionnaire: Qur'an vs. the Constitution.

It should be noted that even if a secret supporter of Islamic law lied in answering documents like these, s/he could be held accountable for those lies if exposed. At some point in the future, documents like these could perhaps be given legal force, so that lying in one's answers could be made a crime, leading in some circumstances to loss of citizenship and deportation.

The other value of these documents is that they can reveal where a Muslim really stands on human rights issues. For example, a number of "moderate" American Muslim leaders have refused to sign the Freedom Pledge, and that reveals that the "moderate" Muslims in question are not willing to condemn Islam's death-to-apostates law. That rips off the "moderate" mask and reveals the ugly face beneath for all to see.

And as for the Questionnaire, it's a powerful educational tool for non-Muslims and Muslims alike, because the Questionnaire makes crystal clear a dozen specific ways in which Islamic law and culture are in direct conflict with the most basic American laws and values. I think the Questionnaire could use some more refinement, but it's a powerful beginning.

Islam is a religion of peace™

Yawn.......More threats from the followers of The Religion of Pieces!

I really don't care about muslims' sociopathic anger or hurt feelings as long as they vent their rage only on their own kind. Let them maim & kill each other....that suits me just fine! When they turn it out toward the rest of us, they will find that we are not the meek little dhimmis they think we are. We Infidels will not start the trouble, but we are more than capable of stopping it.

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Why has no one in the MSM noticed that even the "moderate" Muslims are constantly threatening us with violence?

"I won't do anything to you, because I understand that Islam is a Religion of Peace, but my proxies, the Tiny Minority of Extremists, will cut your head off if you don't give me what I want."

"...if mega-mosque isn't built, "anger will explode in the Muslim world"" -- Rauf

Rauf obviously knows his people. Quite possibly he is right, but it's akin to the threat "If you don't do what I say my brother will kick his dog, and maybe even come over and beat you up" to which the response should be an immediate and unceremonious toss out into the street. His statement underscores one of the reasons it is important to block this project.

"'The headlines in the Muslim world will be that Islam is under attack,' he said" ---from the article

Whoe cares what it says in the Moslem headlines? Rauf is likely more concerned with what appears to be happening in American public opinion, and not just American. The US has been under attack since and even before 9/11 and great efforts have been made to keep public opinion satisfied that "something was being done" with the needless and wasteful invasion of Iraq and the Afghanistan bait-and-switch, in which US started out as an effort to capture the leading figures of al Qaeda but ended up as a needless and wasteful exercise in nation building.

What "needs to be done" is first and foremost to understand the enemy, their identity, their motives and their tactics. We have, up to this point, failed on most or all of those points. But maybe, just maybe, the American people will demand an answer on these points, will come to understand the real meaning behind the soothing blather dripping from the lips of Moslem apologists.

George Dubya, in my opinion a man more responsible than any other for peddling the "religion of peace" hogwash, was a least right about one thing: This is a war like no other. It might be the war in which the American people directly determine the goals and strategy to be used in its prosecution. Pray God this be the case.

This is America's 'Rhineland moment'. If the Islamonazis aren't stopped soon, it will become increasingly difficult to prevent them expanding their influence ever further and wider. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remilitarization_of_the_Rhineland

The message is clear. Stripped of its taqiyya it is now clearly transparent:

Let us build our domination 9/11 'Victory Mosque' at Ground Zero or we (the Islamic ummah) will counter-attack Americans anywhere, everywhere.

Anyone see this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA8m8A6zmBQ

Its part of the interview with Imam Rauf on CNN. The video poster noticed the Imam started the crack a smile when discussing potential violence as a result of moving the mosque.

Sounds a bit conspiratorial, but if you watch the clip, it *does* look like the Imam is struggling a little to keep a straight face.

Let's try out this twist on Rauf's reasoning (my adaptation):

"If I had known that when I became a Muslim that if I changed my mind later that some other Muslim would chop my head off then I would not have become a Muslim in the first place."

Would he apply this reasoning to conclude that neither he nor anyone else should become a Muslim? (And that the practice -- not the book -- of Islam and Sharia should be banned?)

So, in effect, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is saying:

"Muslim extremists, whom I do not condemn, will react violently if I do not get what I want."

Kinda like how a bank robber gives the teller a phone, and the man on the other end of the line says if the teller doesn't cooperate, he'll kill her husband.

It was just beautiful listening to the imam lecturing Soledad (and the viewers) on the meaning of America: "We've got to be fair...we've got to have justice for all...this is what America is all about, Soledad." Cuz see, we didn't know what America was about until the mahdi set us straight. Chutzpah and imam are two words I never thought I'd put together in the same sentence...

And making a comparison of his bridge building between the Muslim world and America with counseling a couple in marriage difficulty...that one was a little too obvious even for the imam. Of COURSE he views the Muslim world as the husband, determining what is best for the wife (America) and family (the world).

One of the best parts of the post-interview show was when the sister of the man murdered on 9/11 suggested the Cordoba Initiative happen in the Middle East, which is most in need of practicing religious tolerance. This idea should be pressed again and again by all of us across the Internet as the appropriate response of the Muslim world to the murderers who "hijacked" Islam. Muslims have a responsibility to restrain their violent brethren and make amends on the part of those riotous murderers to the people killed and maimed on 9/11--and for that matter, all over the world. The Muslim world has made no amends for the wrongs to date--only demands.

If Dirty Harry could speak Arabic, Urdu or Pashtun, how would he say, "Go ahead, Make my day."

Interesting. "cause a violent backlash from Muslim extremists and endanger national security".
Does that mean it should have been built prior to Beirut, Mogadishu, Khobah Towers, The Cole, Twin Towers, The Pentagon, Fort Hood.
Now, if you've ever thought what if...Well, it's recorded in history, slippping on tissue, the nauseating smell of blood and smoke compressing cordite, timebers and tissue.
The Imam, the provocateurs, presidents and your favorite celebrities and printing-press-professors won't be phased in the least. They'll be hustled away to safety to comment.
Rauf recent hegira on your tax dollar was most likely advance work for this part of the campaign.

"Go ahead,(Rauf) Make my day."

I am soooooooo sick of hearing about 'explosions' in the islamic netherworld. Muslims 'explode' daily; it's just a shame they don't 'explode' literally instead of metaphorically or violently, directing their maniacal wrath at innocent non-muslims. I recently read that the muslim birthrate in Europe is eight children per family and the indigenous birthrate is 1.2 children per family. The same article stated that it is too late to stop the islamization of Europe based on these statistics.

I don't care what muslims think or believe. They are fanatical, brainwashed zombies who should have no impact or influence on our world whatsoever. They are held to a lower standard than civilized people and their propensity for violent reactions to things they don't like in our world now influences our government and its policies. That is insane. Are the 'feelings' of muslims the new guidelines for everything we do? Muslims and islam get far too much attention, sympathy, and feedback than they deserve. Islam and muslims aren't that important but they consume a large chunk of daily news and commentary.

I am so glad we can now start calling this a national security issue instead of a religious rights issue.

It always has been a national security issue. Opponents of the mosque said it would be a magnet for extremists, and here we have the Imam behind the project confirming that.

Feisal Abdul Rauf wrote about his desire to change the country on page 252 of his book, calling for a project on the scale of the Apollo program to Islamise the country so that Muslims won't attacks us.

The Cordoba Initiative's mission is to transform the country in the next ten years.

The US-Muslim Engagement Inititiative, which takes credit for Obama's Cairo speech, and to which both Feisal Abdul Rauf, and the Alliance of Civilizations belong, also want to change the country.

See Islamophobe and USMEI member Steve Bartlett here @ 5:38. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ytsy16Mz71c&feature=channel

The GZ Mosque is a national security issue. It always has been a national security issue, and it should be opposed based on the threat to national security that it poses.

Worth reading:

The Founding Fathers' First Amendment

http://spectator.org/archives/2010/09/09/the-founding-fathers-first-ame

No doubt we'll all get to see the softer side of Islam this weekend. The Propagandists will sure be busy too. Some with chills and others with barks.

Iran has already started to restrict UN inspectors while our fearful leaders grovel before their true masters. Add in Obamas time line for "peace in the Middle East" and guess what you end up with?

Is there a rational reason why the current administration has cut so much from the defense budget with so much trouble on the horizon? Trouble that will become Global in short order.

Imam Rauf, upon returning from his American taxpayer funded trip to the ME where he was supposed to discuss Muslim life in America and religious tolerance with audiences in Qatar, Bahrain, and the UAE. . . has the unmitigated gall to return with a veiled threat?
Americans should demand any tax money used for this trip be refunded immediately. Rauf and anyone involved with sending Rauf & Daisy abroad should be charged and tried for subversion and soliciting terror. Imam Rauf studied the example set by the Dutch Imam, Abu Laban and decided to use the very same tactics to go abroad to instigate global muslim violence. Any blood spilled, lives lost, will be on their hands.

Story is going 'round that John Bolton is considering a run for President. The libtards are having apolplexy.

Muslims think all non-Muslims as their conquered people or people about to be conquered so soon ! Our friend non-Muslim guys,have we ever noticed the veiled threat this Iman made ? Have we all noticed ugly face of Islam and Muslims in their daily act of violence and intimidation ? Enough is enough.It is not a time to be naive and ignorance.We have to be all alert and be prepared to defend ourselves.
We must educate more about what is going on with these so-called peaceful Muslims and their hateful ideology.The stakes are high if we keep ignoring them.

If John Bolton runs for the presidency and then wins, I just hope that all those libLefties who would promise to leave the USA, will keep their promise- and hopefully taken their fellow travellers Muslims with them.

OK how about this: If Iran releases all the US hostages not just one. The pastor will not burn the Koran.
Or, If the pastor doesn't burn the Koran there will be a Church and a Synagog built in Saudi Arabia, or if the pastor doesn't burn the Koran, there are no attacks on our troops in Afganistan or Iraq.
Hummm!!

I am appalled that so many of my friends are against the mosque near Ground Zero. We should allow it in order to promote tolerance.

I also propose that two gay nightclubs be opened next door to the mosque to promote tolerance in the mosque. We could call them "The Turban Cowboy" and "You Mecca Me Hot".

Next door should be a butcher shop that specializes in pork and have an open barbecue with pork ribs and across the street a very daring lingerie store called "Victoria Keeps Nothing Secret.". And next door in flashing lights open an Adult Toy Shop. I think for the purpose of tolerance we should build accordingly around the Mosque.

This is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is said to be Dr. Emanuel Tanay, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist.

A German's View on Islam:

A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism. 'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.'

We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is
entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history.

It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire
continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims
and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.

The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous.

Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China's huge
population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million
Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.

And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points:

Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.

Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.
As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts - the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

Has anyone read this:

"Park51 financiers express regret over mosque"

http://www.salon.com/news/911/index.html?story=/news/feature/2010/09/09/us_nyc_mosque_imam

What I and some of my friends do whenever there seems to be a protest against the State of Israel for there rightful bombing of anti Jews, we go along to the demonstration and burn Palestinian flags, this really pisses the Muslims off, but, never have one of them ever threatened us, they are the worlds biggest chickens, never trust a man with a dish-cloth on his head

The entirety of Obama’s chosen war strategy hinges on one premise: To win the hearts and minds of the Afghan people. The assumption is that people of islamic countries can and will some day love America. If this is not so we will fail miserably in the long run. The very doctrines of islam and it’s prophet who murdered for conquest and commanded violence by those loyal to the koran will forever undermine any long-term hope that the supremacist aspirations of islamic countries will be ever be checked voluntarily. Thereby Obama and Petraus are in fact sacrificing what must be a long term goal, our future security , for the short term appeasing of frothing mullas and deranged islamic zombies.

via Reuters:
Qur'an burning cancelled, Ground Zero mosque will be moved: pastor

Dove World Outreach Center church pastor Terry Jones is pursued by the media as he leaves a news conference after announcing the burning of the korans will continues as planned in Gainesville, Florida September 8, 2010. Photograph by: REUTERS/Scott Audette A U.S. fundamentalist Christian pastor on Thursday called off his plan to burn copies of the Qur'an on Saturday. Terry Jones, who heads the tiny, little-known Dove World Outreach Center church based in the Florida university town of Gainesville, said an agreement had been reached with Muslim leaders to move the controversial location of a planned Islamic cultural center and mosque in New York. It would be moved away from the site of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States. Will be updated.

Isabella, could I ask that you include the name "George" on your flag? I would be honored to feel I was with you at the rally.

Just heard on the radio news: "Donald Trump offers to buy-out main investor of Ground Zero Mosque..."

Iman Rauf clearly has a mandate from (Saudi Arabia perhapes) that this mosque will be built and will be built on the infidel's holy ground. If the infidel does not submit to this then they will pay a heavy price. Pure extortion. When Rauf concluded his tour of the M.E. he went right to the US media (CNN) to explain his love for "his" s country and to be a bridge builder. This was necessary to give the look of sincerity. Soledad O'Brian did a great job of asking the pointed questions but got back the same old responses from Rauf. The video that was shown of him saying that US policy was the cause of 9-11 was out of context is typical of the Islamic talking heads.
It's about time we US citizens taks a stand against this taquyya BS. I wanted to puke when he started to lecture O'Brian on what America stands for Pleeeeease.

I will be praying for the success of the rally, for a *huuge* turnout, and for the safety - spiritual and physical - of all participants, especially the guest speakers (Go Geert!).

I hope our Jewish friends will not mind if some participants recite the Krias Shema, as recorded in Chaim Potok's 'My Name is Asher Lev':

"In the Name of the LORD, the G-d of Israel
May Michael be at my right hand
Gabriel at my left
Before me Uriel
behind me Raphael
and above my head the divine presence of G-d.
Amen and Amen".

There is, too, the great Catholic invocation of St Michael the Archangel:

"Saint Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host -
by the Divine Power of God -
cast into hell, satan and all the evil spirits,
who roam throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls."

In the Chapel of St Joseph the Worker, in Battery Park City, quite near to Ground Zero,

http://www.ship-of-fools.com/mystery/2006/1193.html

there is a hauntingly-beautiful September 11 memorial. (The link I've just given will take you to a description of the chapel and its services, and includes quite a good photograph of the memorial).

It comprises four sculptures in the style of Rodin, by Episcopalian (or, as I would say, Anglican) sculptor John Collier, representing: St Michael the Archangel (patron saint of policemen) wrestling with the serpent; St Florian (patron saint of firefighters) ascending a crumbling ladder; St Joseph the Worker, with an experience of weary resolve, toting a timber beam and his tools; and St Mary Magdalen (witness of the resurrection) bearing her vessels of spices.

Perhaps Catholics attending the rally may like to time their arrival so as to have time to pay a visit to the St Joseph Chapel in Battery Park City first, and light a candle or two and recite the St Michael invocation while reflecting on John Collier's magnificent interpretation of Michael's battle with evil.

Anger will explode in the Muslim world? 'Bout time anger explodes in the Western world against all the crap Muslims across the earth spew out on a daily basis. As Ulysses S. Grant observed, quit worrying about what your enemy will do to you and concentrate on what you will do to your enemy.

I am so sick of hearing about their anger. Let them get angry, and show their true colors and show why there should be no mosque.

I would be most grateful if you could add me to the flag as well.
I am across the Pond and on 9/11 will be flying my English flag in memory of the Brits who died, sorry but I haven't got a small Stars and Stripes to fly. I will light a candle and light incense in rememberance.
God speed one and all - take care.
English

A better idea than burning Korans. Koran-o-Rama! Send your local newspaper, TV and radio stations, pastor, priest, or rabbi, and every one of your elected authorities --from local to federal-- a link to the Koran.
http://noblequran.com/translation/index.html

Ask them to read it and get back to you about how the Koran's message fits with American values.

The issue of "Rev" Terry Jones and his desire to burn hundreds of Qurans is indeed troubling, and not just because of the fact that it will no-doubt cause irrational violence and bloodshed the moment that visual evidence of the act is broadcast world-wide. The issue of whether performing this act is what a thinking Christian American adult would do should also be considered.

The first thing that ran across my mind when I heard this story was Nazi Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels, and the burning of "non-Aryan" books in the 1930's. The notion of burning books is alien to the American experience, and unless it were new converts to Christianity burning their old icons and false teachings, it isn't something usually associated with that doctrine either. Muslims, on the other hand, make bonfires from Bibles in Islamic lands quite frequently, and Jesus' entreaty to “turn the other cheek” still applies, even in our day.

So, it isn't the word of Christ or the Bible that is leading Jones to perform this book burning with his church. It is an infantile tantrum, no more or less. A much more constructive use of the Qurans would be to go through them with a highlighter, mark the many verses in the Islamic holy book that the enemies of civilization use to justify their war against us, and give them away for people to learn what Islam teaches.

Muslims have been in continual war upon “unbelievers” for nearly 1400 years, they fight this war for universal domination and submission because that is what their scriptures tell them to do, and freedom-loving people need to know what we are up against. Knowing what the Quran says can be useful in combating fanatical Islam. Burning their books only feeds the beast’s thirst for blood.

if the wind does not blow just right, anger will explode in the muslim world, and american wil be blamed...At every turn, its do as we say, or there is going to be violence. I want violence.

So if we turn our heads in the wrong direction Muslims will get pissed?

If we say the "wrong" thing the followers of Mohammad will be angry?

When we act as Americans the Islamists will lose it?

At some point, sooner than later, Americans must say enough.

We are not a bunch of pansies though our media and self-appointed goons may give that impression.

Muslims brag that they are the fastest growing religion in the world.

As PT Barnum put it, There is a sucker born every moment.

Followers of the seventh century dessert loon, look out.

Islam is the enemy.

There are no moderate Muslims.

None.

Just like no moderate Nazis.

These vermin must be shown that Americans will not be intimidated and bullied.

We are calling your bluff.

As an earlier poster said, we need to start a mass movement to take advantage of the momentum we are building.

Any ideas out there?

I am writing from Johannesburg, South Africa (Southern Tip of Africa for those who don’t know) with regards to the burning of the Qur’an. This has caused a major thorn in your president’s side; I personally think Obama is a clown. What we see from the outside, is America, fast becoming one of the weakest nations on earth, from the “Power-house” of the world to a Nation of losers, a nation who can’t stand up for the very values your nation was built on, you can’t even organize a mass rallies to demonstrate against the building of a mosque in your iconic city, which will be the “Beginning of the End” for the so called “American Dream” The people of this country (South Africa) laugh at the Americans, country of losers, by the time you have woken up, your next president will wear a turban and the first lady a hijab.

If there ever was a time to wrought out the Muslim onslaught, it is now. Their passive, cancer like infiltration, will have you guys on the back-foot wondering why my kids have to learn Arabic, why is there a mosque on every corner, why do all my employees have to pray 5 times a day. All Obama is concerned about is that the Islamic world accept America “at any cost”. The USA belongs to the people of AMERICA and NOT ISLAM, take a stand today, writing on this forum is not going to help, roll up your sleeves, do the “Hard Yards” do something constructive that will make the Muslim back pedal.

Go out today and buy the Qur’an and a flag of any Islamic country. Tomorrow, on the 11th September, burn both of them, show your president that the rest of the USA doesn’t have sh!t for brains, and your primary goal is to look after Americans and not Muslims, make you objective known, no Muslims welcome!

Hi kids,

Annie, George, you are on the list of folks going on my flags. Okay, I bought a bunch of them because as a capitalist I plan to sell some. ; ) But I have plenty so I will try and get to the store tomorrow and buy a silver pen so everybody's names will show up on one or more flags, whatever fits.

If anyone else wants their name on a flag just put your request in here and I will do my best to bring you along. There will be plenty of time on the drive up to do some writin'.

Dumbledore, I'll see if I can get everybody on the back of the flag. Yours is 12 x 18" so I have some more room. Again, as fate would have it, (or rather blessings from God Who has been bery, bery good to me this week as always,) my business has exploded and I don't know if I am coming or going. And I understand not getting here as much. I sneak in when I have a few minutes but haven't had time lately for any long posts.

To all here, if I get to talk to Pamela and Robert I'll tell them you said "hi".

'Got an early appointment and need to hit the sack after I finish one more thing. Good night all.

Is it necessary for so many respondents to give such long comments? I am reading responses ranging from long essays to college term papers. I doubt anyone is actually reading down to comment #95. I wouldn't. Let's reduce the opinions and historical knowledge and come up with some proposed steps.

How to email congressman, senators. the president, etc. through petitions.e.g. you can email me at pfdelaup@gmail.com.

When Pigs Fly & Istanbul Chick, you guys are on the list! I'll check back later. Have a great day. : )

robert:

"veiled" threat?

an overt threat. this will not stand.

john jay
milton freewater, oregon usa

I'm extremely tired being threatened by these maniacs. There is no such existence of "moderate islamism". It's a political system bent on world domination fueled by their instruction manual titled "the koran". In this manual muslims are commanded to conquer land not under islamic control. Furthermore, what deceived fools the western nations are in believing that they are worshipping the same God as Jehovah which is absolutely not true. Islam seeks gains to further their cause in the guise of religious tolerance. This is a 1400 year plan to conquer the world and subject everyone to their murderous twisted Satanic Sharia Law.

Remember : "Millions for defense. Not one cent for tribute"

Thanks sweet Isabella, stay safe and blessings to you & yours.

Thanks, guys. I love ya!

Champ my dear, on the list.

Any body else I'm getting up at four to get out of here. If you want to be included leave a message here or on the September 11: thread (September 10, 2010 5:19 AM).

See you guys!