Iranian Supremo: Iran should engage in intellectual jihad with West

I would expect imams or Mullahs to run from a real intellectual encounter like scared mice. Their idea of an intellectual jihad against an infidel is holding a sword over his head while explaining the benefits of Islam.

You know, I've got this mental image of Rage Boy, Dougie Hooper, and Robert standing behind their Jeopardy lecterns. It's almost as amusing as the title of this article.

I'll take "Famous Beheadings" for 50.

It's an interesting idea, "Iran should engage in intellectual jihad with the West.." But, it's not the policy of the US to enter conflicts with unarned combatants.

On the other hand, we are making great strides backward, and by this time in 2012 our DUMB-DOWN should be complete.
Political docility ratings are high in the academic and government sectors, but strains of patriotic zeal, moral steadfastness, and integrity are showing in lab results.

PC is an intellectual equivalent of AIDS!

"intellectual jihad"

Oxymoron?

Intellectual jihad.....?!

OK, Mr. Ahmdinejihad, try this one from David Hume, 1711 - 1776

"Which is more likely -- that a man should be used as a transmitter by God to deliver some already existing revelations, or that he should utter some already existing revelations and believe himself to be, or claim to be, ordered by God to do so?"

Islam is based on plagiarism and lies. Where is there room for debate - intellectual or otherwise?

"intellectual jihad with West"

Ali, ya don't bring a spork to a gunfight.

The quashing of freedom of inquiry, dissent, and freedom of conscience under Islamic law has made the Mideast -- petrodollars notwithstanding -- dependent on the West for technology and innovation.

Great ideas don't flourish in a climate of fear.

When I first heard of the "Islamic Thinkers Society" I thought "this must be some sort of a joke" since the very word Islam, meaning submit, denies any sort of thinking. At birth a Muslim father traditionally whispers the shahada into the ear of his child, and for that child life is all downhill from there.

Islam's sole operating thesis: Put your brain in reverse or at most in neutral and you'll do okay.

Now we hear of Khamenei inviting a (giggle) "intellectual" (giggle) Islamic challenge to the West. For those in the West who really do think - okay that lets the MSM and the university "academy" out - this could be an enjoyable battle of wits since one side is utterly disarmed. Robert's been winning at this game for years so decidedly that none of the Islamic bigwigs will ever debate him, resorting only to name-calling and ad hominem attacks.

Islam is so brittle that it is incapable of withstanding any sort of critical analysis. The Koran and the "perfect man" example of Mohammed are so laughable that NBC's SNL would have a lifetime of skit material if only comedy writers had the guts to use them. Burquinis anyone? Which explains why force is Islam's reflexive response to anything, giving animation to the phrase that when the only tool you have is a hammer, then every problem is a nail.

hi mr. spence! by all respect as you may know I am from Iran. Jihad the word itself is commonly used by every day man. Jihad Kon! means make an effort or try harder. Although I have not read his entire remark.

I often sya god bless you in response to someone who sneezes. and I am an athiest.
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...cogent arguments based on Islamic thought!

Islam, as a deliberate matter of policy, abandoned both cogent arguments and any form of analytical thought centuries ago. http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/islamic-irrationalism-and-anti.html

I think we're all up for the "debate" here...assuming we're not going to be dragged into prison and a-raped by Basji guards if we win the argument.

Perhaps the Mad Mullahs would like to explain why Mohammed's life was such a great example - consummating a marriage with a nine year old, taking slaves, executing prisoners of war, endorsing sex slavery, approving assassination of his personal critics, approving stoning to death for adultery, launching aggressive war, lying, looting, sanctioning ethnic cleansing...

The problem would be finding proponents of Western liberal democracy who have the requisite audacity to defend their own culture and civilization.
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Sad but true—especially given that any reasonably informed and intelligent Westerner should be able to run rings around any sort of devout Muslim intellectually.

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Using cogent arguments based on Islamic thought...
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I'd enjoy seeing them trying to put this into action...

Perhaps we should start with this sterling example of "Islamic thought", from the Hadith:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) on 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301)
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Good old circular logic! Surely that's the way to "prove" someone else's "deficiency of intelligence".

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The Leader highlighted the importance of scientific progress in society and likened the acquisition of knowledge to jihad.

"In Islamic culture, jihad means making efforts to negotiate obstacles... and now the country is truly in need of academic jihad," he opined....
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Ah, yes. The ferocious, unthinking insanity of Jihad—what could possibly be a better metaphor for the rational acquisition of knowledge?

Perhaps they can threaten to imprison, torture, and execute any intellectuals who may possibly fall short of the goal. That should motivate them in the proper "Islamic" manner.

I'm up for the rumble if you're wanting for any back-up Mr Spencer.

These dumbsh*ts amaze me every time they open their mouths!!! Do they even know what is intellect let alone engaging in intellectual jihad. They are well versed in bloody armed jihad aka terrorism but intellectual jihad???? Ha, ha, ha,....LOL!!! All their "intellect" comes from Quran and we know how much that is....big zero!!

Arguing with a believer- if you do not believe their belief- is pointless.

They are merely trying to convert, not convince, and you cannot "deprogram" them because they do not allow for any contradiction of their belief by the very core "truths" of their belief system.

There is no intellectual honesty in a true believer, because they would have to first acknowledge that there may be other, equally valid beliefs, which a true believer is incapable of doing.

The aim of Islam is a global theocratic totalitarian tyranny.

Which precludes any further "intellectual" discussion, ever, so the entire ruse of proposing such a "discourse" is a deception.

Tyrannies are not to be debated with but destroyed.

And their proponents are not to be talked to but their terroristic tenets exposed and excoriated for promoting one more poisonous prescription of retrograde, sanctimonious intolerance, murderous misogyny. irrationlistic anti-intellectualism, and cosmically uncritical dogmatism.

They need ro be called upon to Reform, or be mocked - or kicked- out of History

I'm not a cringing dhimmi. In fact, I wrote a short novel about "dhimmism." I'm waiting for amazon.com to ban it. It's an easy beach read, but it does deal with Islam and the stealth jihad.

http://tinyurl.com/2f76ud5

I put up a few videos on youtube dealing with stealth jihad as well. Islam needs to be mocked.

http://www.youtube.com/user/crimesagainstislam

Note to self: sell all shares in western tech companies.

Joking aside, they really haven’t got a clue, they are so brain damaged by all that koran and inbreeding, even with the outside help that they have had, any nuclear program has been a bit of a shock for me.

I dont think anyone needs to bomb iran, i am expecting it to start glowing anyday without any help from Isreal.

That Ayatollah Khamenei thinks himself and his country to be in opposition to and contrary to "the proponents of Western liberal democracy" and "the West's human sciences" is nicely clear and open talk that should appeal to those in the West who suffer from self-hate.
Of course, whether Islamic claims, assertions and demands are at all able to rise above ...well assertions, claims and demands, that remains to be seen. To base a rational discussion on Islamic thought - you know: assertions, claims and demands, revelations and arch-angels, nocturnal trips to Jerusalem by air, and not least the Holy Book of Contradictions - seems to me dangerous proposition.
But some of the Academia, the Press and the politicians may want to play along with it. I fail to see why though: the time for being nice to ignorants has passed.

Debating dogmatists is mostly a wasted effort. Their minds are shut, so no amount of reasonable argument will change that. They simply cannot hear you. They are a universe apart from reason, so what's the point? Debate any dogmatic cult and result is the same… nothing. Double-nothing for Islam, triple that for Iran mullahs... then they go berserk. Maybe good for entertainment, but don't expect results. Waste of time.

Iran's real intellectual jihad.

Can I help?
All I need is a note file with the major events of Islamic history in chronological order next to the Western/Christian events... this can continue to the Israeli period, I include the negative stuff about Orgun and such; and the balance will easily favor the Western debator... it is pseudo-Liberal rhetoric and strawmen without factual basis that are their main weapons; remove them and they stand helpless.
http://hereticscrusade.com

One of the most ultimate of challenges is "Can the Will of God Change"? From the perspective of the Qur'an one would probably say not given the admonitions Muhammad (pbuH) gave the Jewish community for abrogating the law of stoning of adulterers because of the (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 56, Number 829) because of the fewness of believers following an enslavement. Likewise other admonitions regarding changing texts and their meanings.

From the perspective of the Gospel guidance goes both ways about changing text but also the admonition revoking the law of stoning of adulterers when Christ said: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

In Sept. 2010 a cornerstone of difference is, as has often been discussed in Jihad Watch:

29. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 9)

A significant starting point for discussion is how do we truly understand the Will of God for this day? How is that United States and Europe, as well as Russia and China (clearly the "greatest embodiments of the people of ignorance according to the Qur'an?), are well equipped with nuclear weapons and advanced military prowess. In contrast the Muslim world has a handful of nuclear weapons in Pakistan, very limited means of delivery, and a host of suicide bombers wearing vests. Is it God's will that the People of the Book should be fought by Muslims by force of arms, using all means available, to establish Jizyah against such odds? Does the Ummah wish to truly engage in all out war with the rest of the World under these terms and experience the devastation wrought on Germany or Japan? Or is it possible that mechanism for the resolution of differences be invoked below, that we can beseech God, the Merciful, the Compassionate to guide us to a better way? Might, in fact, we be in the times of the "Day of Judgment" in which God will judge us and guide us as to our differences?

Peace be with you.

============= Surah verses re. "Differ" =============

213. Mankind was one single nation, and Allah sent Messengers with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth, to judge between people in matters wherein they differed; but the People of the Book, after the clear Signs came to them, did not differ among themselves, except through selfish contumacy. Allah by His Grace guided the believers to the truth, concerning that wherein they differed. For Allah guides whom He will to a path that is straight.

(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 2)

59. O ye who believe! obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day: that is best, and most suitable for final determination.

(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 4)

64. And We sent down the Book to thee for the express purpose, that thou shouldst make clear to them those things in which they differ, and that it should be a guide and a mercy to those who believe.

(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 16)

69. "Allah will judge between you on the Day of Judgment concerning the matters in which ye differ."

(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 22)

3. Is it not to Allah that sincere devotion is due? But those who take for protectors other than Allah (say): "We only serve them in order that they may bring us nearer to Allah." Truly Allah will judge between them in that wherein they differ. But Allah guides not such as are false and ungrateful.

(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 39)

10. Whatever it be wherein ye differ, the decision thereof is with Allah: Such is Allah my Lord: in Him I trust, and to Him I turn.

(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 42)

========= Surah verses re. "Differences" ==========

19. Mankind was but one nation, but differed (later). Had it not been for a word that went forth before from thy Lord, their differences would have been settled between them.

(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 10)

110. We certainly gave the Book to Moses, but differences arose therein: had it not been that a Word had gone forth before from thy Lord, the matter would have been decided between them: but they are in suspicious doubt concerning it.

(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 11)

124. The Sabbath was only made (strict) to those who disagreed (as to its observance); but Allah will judge between them on the Day of Judgment as to their differences.

(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 16)

45. We certainly gave Moses the Book aforetime: but dispute arose therein. Had it not been for a word that went forth before from thy Lord, (their differences) would have been settled between them: but they remained in suspicious disquieting doubt thereon.

(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 41)

17. And We granted them clear Signs in affairs (of Religion): it was only after knowledge had been granted to them that they fell into schisms, through insolent envy among themselves. Verily thy Lord will judge between them on the Day of Judgement as to those matters in which they set up differences.

(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 45)

"Using cogent arguments based on Islamic thought."

How is it possible to base a cogent argument on an intellectual vacuum?

There has never been an original thought attributable to Islam. The entire religion is a rather poor plagiarism of Judaism and Christianity.

I would have thought the problem would be finding a Muslim capable of having a thought to debate their side. Surely any thinking person would reject the Koran outright?

This could be the greatest single weapon against Islam. Let the man debate with us. Let the debate be televised and let everyone see what Islam "the religion of peace" is truly about. Let mohamed be exposed as the vile man he was, not the peaceful prophet people have believed him to be. Let the doctrine of hate and deciet fill the airwaves. Then everyone will know what exactly it is we face.

"Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei says Iran should have the audacity to engage in intellectual debate with the proponents of Western liberal democracy."

What nonsense! The Supreme Leader and his minions could have their debate any time they wanted just by releasing critics like Shiva Nazar-Ahari from prison and debating them. But no, they locked them all up in prison, executed many of them, and are getting ready to execute others. The very existence of a Supreme Leasder, above and beyond the govrnment, shows that they're not interested in any debating.

" Iran should engage in intellectual jihad with West"

The same Iran that is running around arresting "spy Squirrels" and "banning TV"?.....

...intellectual jihad???

Haven't they learned their Emperor wears no clothes?

In 2008, Tawfik Hamid, a somewhat disaffected or lax Muslim, who claims to be a 'Qur'an only' Muslim, wrote a useful article entitled, "The Development of a Jihadist's Mind".

It was discussed at jihadwatch, here:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/01/the-development-of-a-jihadists-mind.html

The title is, in fact, something of an oxymoron, because Hamid, child of a 'secular Muslim' upbringing in Egypt, in describing how he was recruited and indoctrinated by the Jamaah Islamiyah while he was at university, effectively delineates the intensive cult programming by which sharia pushers, working upon the groundwork already laid in a standard 'basic Islamic' upbringing/ education, can turn an ordinary somewhat-lax Muslim, into a jihadist ghazi raider.

And that cult programming involves, quite precisely, the nullification of all independent thought and perhaps even of thought as such.

I quote the most telling passage from Hamid's article:

"During my first year of medical school, a Jamaah member named Muchtar Muchtar invited me to join the organization. Muchtar was in his fourth year, and Jamaah had given him the title amir (prince or caliph) - a designation taken from early Islamic writings that is associated with the Islamic caliphate or amir almomenin (prince of the believers).

"I accepted his invitation, and we walked together to Jamaah's mosque for noon prayers.

"On the way there Muchtar emphasized **the central importance in Islam of the concept of al-fikr kufr, the idea that the very act of thinking (fikr) makes one become an infidel (kufr).** {my emphasis - dda}.

"(In Arabic both words are derived from the same three root letters but have different meanings.)

"He told me,

"Your brain is just like a donkey [a symbol of inferiority in the Arab culture] that can get you only to the palace door of the king [Allah].

'To enter the palace once you have reached the door, you should leave the donkey [your inferior mind] outside."

"**By this parable, Muchtar meant that a truly dedicated Muslim no longer thinks but automatically obeys the teachings of Islam."** {my emphasis - dda}. END QUOTE.

'al-fikr kufr' - 'the very act of thinking - FIKR - makes one an infidel KUFR'.

'a truly dedicated Muslim no longer thinks but automatically obeys the teaching of Islam'.

In other words: the ideal Muslim (Submitter) is ...someone who has, effectively, beheaded or, so to speak, brain-wiped himself, becoming a robot whose only 'thoughts' are The Programming.

IN the comments attached to Mr Robert Spencer’s online QURAN BLOG, 27.1.2008, at HotAir, the discussion of Sura 13, ‘The Thunder’, someone noted – ‘thank you Robert for your trenchant analysis and thank you Hot Air for blogging the Koran. No other political blog has the courage to do it.

'I’m always struck with how anti thought the Koran and Islam is. It seems like the major goal of the religion, besides killing/enslaving everybody ELSE, is to not let its own followers think.”
Mojave Mark on January 27, 2008 at 12:35 PM.

Now I'm pretty sure Mojave Mark hadn't read Tawfik Hamid's article, nor could he have known of the proverb "al-fikr kufr"...but he had Islam dead to rights.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali speaks of the same drive to annihilate the person, to suppress or destroy the thinking and questioning self, specifically as regards the Muslim training of women, in her book 'Infidel'.

"A Muslim woman must not feel wild, or free, or any of the other emotions and longings I felt when I read those books ['those books' being lush Western romances - dda]. A Muslim girl does not make her own decisions or seek control. She is trained to be docile.

"**If you are a Muslim girl, you disappear, until there is almost no you inside you** (my emphasis - dda; she is speaking of the indoctrination of women, but it chimes horribly with what Tawfik Hamid says, the idea that the mere act of *thinking* makes you an Infidel).

"In Islam, becoming an individual is not a necessary development; many people, especially women, never develop a clear individual will. You submit; this is the literal meaning of the word islam: submission. The goal is to become quiet inside, so that you never raise your eyes, not even inside your mind". [Infidel: p. 94].

C S Lewis, in his little book 'The Abolition of Man', warned that modern western relativist education was creating 'men without chests'.

Islam's aim, on the other hand, as described by Hamid and Hirsi Ali, seems to be... 'People Without Heads'. Those who saw off or strike off the heads of living people have already - so to speak - beheaded themselves. There is nothing behind their eyes.

Islam: Women Without Faces; People Without Heads.

Ayatollah Khamenei made the remarks in an address to a large gathering of 10 academics and university professors in Tehran on Sunday.

''Islamic Thinkers''
Sounds to much like ''head-shrinkers'' for my liking.

. . .yes, I know, before my head gets bitten off, 'to' has to have a double-o to make it too. Twit me twit twoo.

"...the country is truly in need of academic jihad,"

They should start with reverse engineering of Muslim science. The mudhole/sun thingamajiggy is as good a place to start as any.