Mega-mosque imam says Qur'an-burning would have been "disastrous" and would have "strengthened radicals," implying Muslims cannot control themselves

insulting to the intelligence of a Muslim...

Hmmm....

I think reading the Koran daily is insulting to intelligence. A question: Does it read better in Arabic? In English, it's about as bad as the Book of Mormon. Chapter 1....zzzzzzzz.

'Living in fear of the Religion of Peace'...The movie...

Chapter 22...Ruafs lament...Or...If you make them mad, they will get angry...

He said burning the Koran would have sparked "a disaster" in the Muslim world....
"It would have strengthened the radicals. It would have enhanced the possibility of terrorist acts against America and American interests," he said...

He's obviously been talking to Rasool Obama...We certainly can't have a disaster in the Mahoundian world...now can we...

http://ow.ly/2D4It There is a darkness upon the world hidden in a religion that would be banned upon the earth if it was anything else. Start at the link above then check out the other post in archives.

veteranoutrage.com

Islam is EVIL and is a demonicly dictacted false religion..

Therefore since Islam has no real POWER to change the heart of man - it only can do one thing..
Threaten, bluster or intimidate..

Just like islams father SATAN..
Who is the father of all lies..

Muslims hate the west due to when they arrive
they are immidiatly tempted to go out and sin..

In the muslim mind it is the west that made them sin..
Not the FACT that islam has no power over sin..

I dont have to drink anymore..
Jesus set me free..

Now i have POWER over the demon of alchohol so i dont need to do anything thanks to Jesus setting me free..

But Islam has NO power whatsoever..

So when the muslim sees alchohol he cannot control himself..

No manner of man made ritual will stop sin..

This is why islam cannot control itself..
Islam is a lie from the pitts of hell spawned by satan himself..

Robert is a fine scholar (better than most) i believe..
and i love this site..
I learned a ton from here..

But one thing i do know ..
Islam is voilent and evil because it is islam..
This is why the muslims cannot control themselves..

Every time Imam Feezel Rauf speaks, he proves our point. Let him keep talking.

So this man is saying that we should knuckle under to terrorist threats? These mohametans need to simmer down a tad. This has been an annual event for the last nine years. Thousands of korns have been roasted and now they finally notice? Not too observant. Are they?

David and Nabeel have a great clip about the original korn burning. Can you believe it was moahmetans themselves who did the deed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91AM7665cbo

nabi ZK (pbum)

Your conduct in the entire course of the project demonstrates you want peace and coexistence only on your terms.

Of course we must acknowledge that the Imam is behaving as any good Moslem should, according to The Book with a nod to the other sacred scriptures, or as Prez Barack Hussein would say, "holy book." Holy books, actually, but he makes his point. He must not of studied the Ha-Deeths growing up in Jakarta.

*** Bukhari Vol 9 Bk 84 Nbr 59 ***

When Mohammed died and Abu Bakr became his successor and some of the Arabs reverted to disbelief, Umar said, "O Abu Bakr! How can you fight these people although Mohammed said, 'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and whoever said, None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' Allah will save his property and his life from me, unless he does something for which he receives legal punishment.

None has the right to be worshipped but Allah. Except maybe Mohammed (33:21). So, the Imam is in and the protestors are out, they have no rights. Well, they still have some rights but they're fading, and they're not holy as our Prez from Harvard Law School would have it.

http://newstime.co.nz/quran-set-on-fire-at-ground-zero-on-911.html
Qur’an set on Fire at Ground Zero on 9/11

Yet still … burning of the Quran

Muslims do what their imams and the koran tell them to do.

Well of course, because Muslims are like bratty and vicious little children who will throw fits, blow things up and destroy them if they don't get their way.

The whole world is being held hostage to this demented cult of violence and death, and our "leaders" stand by spouting bullcrap thinking they are conning us.

If Muslims want to act like savages, then they will be treated like savages. It's that simple.

But thanks, Rauf, for admitting that Muslim fanatics are wild and vicious animals that cannot control themselves. The image just speaks so highly of the ideology itself. Rauf should be very proud that the cult he's pushing creates such depravity.

To paraphrase Matthew 7:16, by its fruit, you shall know Islam...

I wonder how many Korans quietly went into the fireplace last Saturday night?

I can see headlines now: "Man burns Koran, struck by lighting, Arab street riots." LOL

Allah would be pleased. ;-)

These islamic nuts never know what their left hands are doing from their right hands, and it's the reason why God, the Judeo-Christian God, said they will be like wild donkeys ( wild asses) after every brother. They're so stupid with brains like donkeys still depending on their false belief to death. Their leaders, since the days of bandit, rapist, thief, killer Muhammad, still profess the pagan belief of the moon god, al-ilah. They would not accept the fact that before muhammad, Jesus, the Almighty, sacrificed for the sin of every one about 630 years. muhammad's father and grand father were pagans worshiping the moon god, al-ilah and the 3 stars (daughters) al lat, manat and al uzza. satanic koran says evil muhammad died a sinner and eaten by worms and is now in hell with 70 85-year old virgins. Jesus the Messiah was raised by the Father Almighty on the 3rd day and is now seated at His right hand.
So, the planned koran-burning should be done forever to rid this world of satanic verses to eliminate moronic muslims from inciting violence and blasting innocent people. Let me tell you islamic pendejos, read the internet and books and find out the false belief you're into. koran's satanic verses have been injected into your brain by your leaders using you as donkeys to die for them. You need a revolution against your sheikhs, imams, kings and princes. Your enemies are not the people outside islam. It is the people in your Islamic belief. They had been poisoning your weak minds since the evil muhammad became an adult. So wake up islamic weak minds, you're living with your own enemies, your islamic leaders!

Another words when it comes to us Muslims,it is a lose lose for us infidels.

Yep we better allow ourselves to be subjugated,we better allow for shariah, and we better adhere to the demands of Islam or there will be hell to pay according the great bridge builder between faiths Iman Rauf.

There is no doubt in this not so moderate Muslims (understatement) that he is trying to intimidate those who are against the mosque by suggesting that violence will come upon them. This is exactly how Muslims try to gain control over the infidel minds and lands.

Iman Rauf is clearly trying to turn the screws on us proud Islamophobes so that the dhimmi enablers among us will try to get us to comply. We already have numerous dhimmi enablers of Islam lining up on CNN wanting to accuse those who are against the mosque at ground zero as extremists, racists, and bigots.
I don't get the racist part but dhimmis' like Michael Moore, and the Reverend Jesse Jackson are out there pushing that line.

No matter how far we have tried to stay removed from those that are desecrating the Qu'ran these Islamic appeasers and enablers still try to lump the anti Mosque movement in with them.

We will make a serious mistake if we allow our Achilles heal to show which is political correctness to define are position against this intolerant totalitarian ideology.

Nearly 90 percent of Islamic countries are run by dictatorships while 96 percent of Western Countries are run by free democracies.

Those statistic in themselves speak volumes of what we need to know about Islam.

As than muslim if my koran from old and torn I cannot throw it in the tash can I must burn the Koran.

Amir Tahiri, an Iranian expatriate and evidently nonbelieving "cultural" Muslim whose columns occasionally appear in the New York Post, and about whom I have mixed feelings, has written a laudatory piece about the significance of the Ground Zero mosque, which I urgently recommend to everyone: please, please read, and circulate:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/islam_center_eerie_echo_of_ancient_iRTMW6TprkULnaA1Nqi9xM

I hope this link works. It's from the New York Post online, and the column was published on September tenth. Mandatory reading.

The good Imam speaks the truth. Too many Muslims can not control themselves. They are so filled with their own supremacy nonsense that they think we owe them something.

They can get angry for all I care. Personally, I wouldn't burn a book, not even Mien Kampf or the Quran. Are these books disgusting? Yes. They show us the depths of hate that a human can make. But if they didn't exist, we'd never believe that it was possible.

This is the ultimate hate. It is hatred against the other. Islam is riddled with it. They have much to learn. And if the choose not to learn, they can have this lesson in other ways.

Since when do religions demand adherence to law and rules by members and non-members. They don't governments do. Tolerance is not a quality of tyranny or its political puppets.

"It would have strengthened the radicals. It would have enhanced the possibility of terrorist acts against America and American interests," he said...

But isn't this a "fringe" element that has "hijacked" Islam?
The only way to "strengthen" the radicals is to bring more people to their side, which means there are many more Muslims looking for a reason to riot.

When will our leaders admit the truth? The so-called moderates are merely the "silent majority" of Muslims. They don't speak out AGAINST the violence so that can only mean they support it.

Telling that no one has to worry about strengthening radicals among Christians, Buddhists, Jews, Hindus, Zoroastrians, Taoists, Wicca folk, Confucianists, Janists, agnostics, atheists or any believers or non-believers except Muslims. Just Muslims. Yeah, just Muslims. As I said, telling.

Sick of Islam yet? I am. Why isn't everyone? After all, burning books is a bad idea but harming or killing folks for burning books is a far worse idea.

"He said burning the Koran would have sparked "a disaster" in the Muslim world...."

Yeah, a disaster...for them!

They're have rioted, burned everything in sight, broken windows. And then, the anger would have fizzled out.

And then, they've have looked at each other, and seen that life goes on.

Then they would have had to clean up their own mess, and been without, no cars, no eateries, or supermarkets (so vital at the end of Ramadan), no shops, but with the realization that other countries don't really care about islam, or wants anything to do with it.

Many a lightbulb would have lit in their brains, about how stupid it all is.

So koran burning by a man - whose family now says may suffer depression - with a few dozen followers represents a Kafirun attack on islam?

The media never gave the man a megaphone; they gave the islamonazis a cause on which to hang their muz under siege fictions.

How do muz confront terror? If the cause-of-allah dictates, they may condemn particular acts, but generally they use the issue as means to the end of painting the US and its allies as "terrorists."

The group attached to this link is directly related to the Muslim Council of Britain, which has effective control over much of what is written about the slaves-of-allah.

See notes to a nominal "investigation" of terrorism in Lebanon. Nothing is said about Syrian occupation and extortion from the government of Lebanon. Nor is their any reference to besieged Christians. Muz use terror as the primary weapon of conquest, but condemn select "counter-terror" methods, only when they have to.

http://www.cfsot.com/index.php?thm=publications

"This long-term struggle favours Hezbollah and its allies, which are politically and militarily dominant. Moreover, the regional balance of power favours Hezbollah, evidenced by the decline of American influence in the Middle East and the insidious strategic retreat of Israel."

"In this frank interview with Islamism Digest Sayyed Fadlallah sets out the Islamic position on terrorism and resistance. He identifies the United States as the lead sponsor of terrorism, while Hezbollah – according to Sayyed Fadlallah – symbolises the pinnacle of resistance to oppression and hegemony."

It's amazing, the self control muslims have. Why, when those misunderstanders of 'the prophet' in mombai slaughtered a hundred or so, wounding so many, slaughtering a pregnant women, disembowling? her and her husbands disfigurement- an innocent rabbi and his pregnant wife, who were attacked merely because they were jewish- why the muslims showed their calm and tranquil natures. In fact- with all the 16,000 jihadist attacks since 9/11, they've been able to not march by the tens of thousands, in protest, able to not march and scream for the heads of the misunderstanders and doers of such evil, because they are a tranquil lot. Very tranquil. We should note this, more often.
These tranquil moments of Islam, when they should be displaying their sorrow and begging for forgiveness for the few, the 'radical's' etc.
But of course.....

He might be right about the lack of self control. Just came across this lovely little prayer:

Tabari VIII:153/Ishaq:532 "I ask the Merciful One for a pardon and for a sword that cuts wide and deep, creating a wound that shoots out foaming blood. I ask for a deadly thrust by a thirsty lance held by a zealous warrior that pierces right through the guts and liver, slitting the bowels. People shall say when they pass my grave, 'Allah guided him, fine raider that he was, O warrior, he did well.'"

Charming.

Plus apparently a couple of preachers in Tennessee went ahead and had their own Koran Roast on their barbecues on Saturday, so don't they count? I'm beginning to think ol' Feisal has a bit of a thing for Terry Jones.

Don't let Daisy find out.

Oh here's another good one:

Qur'an 9:5 "When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, beleaguer them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war. But if they relent, performing their devotional obligations and paying the zakat tax, then open the way. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. I created Islam to start fights that will kill, enslave, and torture people by way of deceptive ambush. Surrender, or I will have Muslims terrorize you."

Again, Muslims ought to be insulted...

Aren't they in a permanent state of insulted? They always seem to be aggrieved or potentially aggrieved about everything, even Valentine's Day.

The BBC seems to find free speech distasteful, too.

Our friends in England really messed up when they concentrated all that power into one organization, a quasi-governmental outfit no less.

I think reading the Koran daily is insulting to intelligence.

I read the thing and I'll tellya when I finally put it down I was mad. Felt insulted, violated even. But who could I turn to? Driving over to the local mosque and registering a complaint about how awful the Ko-Ran is could get a guy killed.

Remember that week in Yathrib when The Holy Prophet Mohammed put out two contract hits on his critics. The murders of Afak and Marwan kinda set the tone for how Moslems handle criticism. Murder would be preferable, but a good old fashioned religious riot will suffice.

To Mr. Spencer:

I think that if you look at my posts since the last week of August, you will see that what I had anticipated has largely come to pass.

I don't think that anybody "reclaimed 9/11," which I don't think is even possible. Everybody is trying to use the day for their own purposes.

There is now a small dispute as to how many attended the rally, just as I predicted.

I was disappointed by Mr. Wilders' speech, because even he did not assert the primary facts (he had almost all conclusions and characterizations about Islam) that form the basis of opposing the GZ mosque.

Nobody, not even one prominent person, is responding publicly with powerful facts that defeat the claims of bigotry and religious intolerance being made universally by the media and the political leaders.

Your event got practically no press (in part because the media was apparently afraid of itself after the media results of the actions of the well-mustachioed pastor).

The media likes drama, and your rally provided none. The pastor by himself did more to raise awareness of Islamic insanity than your rally. I generally don't think burning books is a good idea, but in this case I think the world would have been better off if he had not backed down.

Geraldo ridiculed Pamela Geller as an extremist before he even said hello to her -- very unfortunate.

Dhimmitude is now official US policy, based upon statements by Obama, the defense secretary, and the general.

If you really want to make inroads against Islamic expansion, I have some pretty good ideas as to how it can still be done. You will need to respond to this post, so we can set up a line of communication.

It turns out that I have some vulnerabilities in my personal situation that prevent me from becoming a public figure on this issue. Otherwise, I would be right at the forefront.

Arthur, there's a contact button on the left-hand side of this blog, at the end of the majority of printed data. That's supposing you wish to actually make contact in private.

Arthur leave your ideas here for everyone to discuss. I think the msm is just another tool and is guided by its multicultural bias.

Your conduct in the entire course of the project demonstrates you want peace and coexistence only on your terms.
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Yes. Imam Rauf has also refused to meet with Pastor Jones if he comes to New York City. Why?

If he could win Jones over with some of that vaunted "inter-faith dialogue", wouldn't that be a big win for "building peace"? sarc/off

Robert and Marisol, This is a little OT but, I have been contacted by e-mail by someone calling themselves "Dr. Ali" who informs me that my commentary on typepad is now being "followed" by them. I have only used this e-mail address and this "handle" to comment here on JW. Has anyone else heard from "Dr. ALI"? Is there any way to track down this creep? I wonder how they have gotten e-mail addresses. Isn't that illegal? If anyone knows anything about this could you let everyone know? If anyone has heard from "Dr. Ali" could you let everyone know. I think this kind of crap should be hunted down. I'll watch comment to see if anyone knoww anything about this. Thanks. Semper Fi

I just dont understand why they are so adamant on having a mosque close to ground zero why cant anywhere else and why they make a big deal of it as if their religion is insulted when its obvious that having a mosque at that site is against sensitivity of everyone who vividly remember the day when the islamic terrorists destroyed wtc towers.If anything they shud respect the feelings of the common man just the way they expect the non muslims to respect theirs. Just mind boggling

The fat bastard is at it again.

Michael Moore: "I am opposed to the building of the "mosque" two blocks from Ground Zero. I want it built on Ground Zero. "

Sorry for my doubble barreld response,guess I'm just shoouting my mouth, my apologies Sir.

Thanks to Thinking_One for his comment. I think it is good to get everybody's input. Some ideas which I think are great may actually turn out to be impossible or dumb ideas, based on something that somebody else knows.

Everybody knows what the possible courses of action are, so a lot of secrecy is not necessarily that valuable.

Somebody named "Egghead" a few days ago agreed with my analysis to a very large extent. I appreciated his post a great deal.

I don't mind communicating with Mr. Spencer in private as long as I have some indication that he is actually interested in what I have to say. So far, I have gotten no such indication.

AJ i think the west has the luxury to correct themselves and isolate islamic extremists becos they are so less in number but in india the scope is miniscule becos ours is the second largest muslim population in the world and also i do reiterate that indian muslims behave much better than their counterparts anywhere else around the world and live in relative harmony with us.

The episode with the Rev. Terry Jones was sickening to watch play out. The MSM went looking for someone fitting their and Hollywood's image of a fire breathing, knuckle dragging, bigoted fundamentalist modern day version of Elmer Gantry who could be set up as a patsy and then destroyed publicly. They found him in the good Rev. Jones, who was virtually the only one with guts enough to actually carry out a meaningful protest that many Americans, as well as posters here, feel is not only fitting, but is further a completely protected form of free speech.

Did anyone else watch the Morning Joe show on CNBC yesterday, where Jones was invited to be interviewed live? After being introduced he was lectured about Christianity and then, before even speaking a single word, was unceremoniously cut off and dismissed by Mika Brzezinski saying that they didn't really need to hear anything he had to say. I have never seen such brazen disrespect for an invited guest before. In the end it was the Rev. Terry Jones who was the ONLY one in this sorry episode to have acted honorably, with restraint and decency. The rest, Obama, Patraeus, Hillary, all of them, and most particularly the MSM, acted shamefully and disgracefully.

The MSM created this firestorm of controversy around Terry Jones. THEY are the ones responsible for cynically elevating his threatened innocuous act into becoming an international incident.

Of course, by sh*tting on Jones the MSM was really letting the rest of us know how they really feel about us. As if we didn't know already.

I just realized, I think I may know Arthur. Personally. Probably not. But maybe. I think Arthur has been totally pulling our leg, and trying to pull Robert Spencer's. I know an Arthur with this kind of humor. It's subtler, wackier, and funnier than it might appear at first. Arthur, are you the guy whose real initials are I.S.? From Hungary?

Every time a Muslim reacts to criticism or ridicule by threatening to kill the perpetrator - the Muslim should be arrested for threatening to kill. I believe one of the criteria for proving this crime is that the person has the ability to carry out the act. Well, there is ample evidence to show that thousands of angry Muslims would kill you for offending their religion.

What sort of world are we living in when free speech is being stifled, and criticism of religion is rewarded with a death sentence. Free speech must be defended. A decline in free speech is a decline in democracy.

What next? Negative comments about everything and anything will be outlawed for fear of offending someone.

The personal friend of mine to whom I referred has not infrequently used "Arthur" as a sort of alternative first name. When the Arthur on this comments thread said this,

Somebody named "Egghead" a few days ago agreed with my analysis to a very large extent. I appreciated his post a great deal.

Pour les lecteurs francophones, un article très intéressant intitulé : "comment on vous manipule avec le mot Islamophobie"
http://www.dieucafe.com/2010/09/13/comment-on-vous-manipule-avec-le-mot-islamophobie/

Pour les lecteurs francophones, un article très intéressant intitulé : "comment on vous manipule avec le mot Islamophobie"
http://www.dieucafe.com/2010/09/13/comment-on-vous-manipule-avec-le-mot-islamophobie/

'Living in fear of the 'Religion of Peace'...The movie...
Now playing at a theater near you...

Chapter 23...Rauf the hierophant of superior wisdom and knowledge speaks...Or...The Charlatan and the Media...

Rauf...'Sufis teach that we first must battle and destroy the evil within ourselves by shining upon it the good within..."and then we learn to battle the evil in others by helping their higher selves gain control of their lower selves".

Where in the Quran or hadith is 'higher and lower selves' addressed? A pious Mahoundian has no lower self since he believes in Allah and the 'prophet', and prays five times a day...It is only you kufr who have a lower self, and you have little control over it...Only those who have no lower self can help those who are out of control...
The therapy session starts out with the idea that there is something wrong with the kufr, that must be cured...The diagnosis is Arrogance and evil Q-98:6...The cure is conversion or dhimmitude...or...else...

Rauf covers the 'or else' by his threat of increased terrorism and hard feelings by world ummah...
Rauf is using the fear of the 'Religion of Peace' to push forward the agenda of the 'Religion of Peace'...'Accept and obey my words or the boogy man (Allah) is going to get you'...The media is making Rauf the spokesman for the entire Ummah, a position he is not qualified for...
The dhimmi's are bowing down and kissing the feet of a charlatan...In reality, nothing he says can be trusted...

To focus on the Pastor just threatening to burn Qurans instead of the jihadi murderers and vandals is the same cowardice and false guilt we use when human shields are used and killed by jihadists. Just because Sharia law bestows privilege on non-Muslims and allows plunder and subjugation and murder and abuse of non-Muslims, women, and converts from Islam does not mean that we must accept and provide for it.

http://ow.ly/2EjrY This beheaded 12 year olds crime:? She was a Christian. Same for the others with her.

http://ow.ly/2EifB Yea, We Are Different in America And I Want It To Stay That Way!

http://ow.ly/2GWxE Rape of 4 year old by Imam is perfectly OK because it is written….

http://ow.ly/2EhTu How To Stone A Young Woman , Crush Her Skull And Kick Her To Death by The Followers Of A loving Religion!

http://ow.ly/2EhEj The goal of Islam is to rule the entire world and submit all of mankind to the faith of Islam. Any nation or power that gets in the way of that goal, Islam will fight and destroy

http://ow.ly/2Ei9q Understanding Muslims. The Good, The Bad, The Ugly!

http://ow.ly/2EhJB Why the Mosque Should Be Built In "Death Valley, CA"

http://ow.ly/2Eibp Can We Trust This Imam and This Muslim Center? U.S. vs. Holy Land

http://ow.ly/2EhLN The truth about Isalm and Sharia Law

http://ow.ly/2EhO9 How Dark The World Turns. Night Is Upon Us. Iran Is A world Instigator That Must Be Stopped.

http://ow.ly/2EhQL Stop Muslim Immigration to the United State

http://ow.ly/2EhYz The Islamization of Paris Hell No! We Are Not Giving Up Our Nation To The Muslims!

http://ow.ly/2Ei0r The Quran-Burning - A Perfect Ending

http://ow.ly/2Bdzu Robert Fisk: The crimewave that shames the world - Robert Fisk, Commentators - The Independent

http://ow.ly/2H3Do Sharia: A challenge the Political Elites Are Ignoring At Our Peril!

http://ow.ly/2HKeA A German’s View of Islam!