If only they would express that same indignation about actual stonings that have taken place or are pending in the Islamic world. Like this one, where you can see the practice Muhammad participated in and endorsed on full display. Or the sentence hanging over the head of Sakineh Ashtiani in Iran. Or the fate endured by the young couple in Afghanistan just a few weeks ago.
Rather than directing their outrage where it belongs, standard procedure suggests two simultaneous, contradictory steps: They will insist stoning is not an issue for Islam because it is not in the Qur'an (click here for more on why that hasn't made a difference for the Muslims who have upheld the practice over the centuries). And yet: they will try to divert or end the discussion rather than repudiating the practice itself.
"Muslims demand apology for New Zealand minister's joke," from Agence France-Presse, September 25 (thanks to all who sent this in):
WELLINGTON -- New Zealand's Islamic community has written to Prime Minister John Key demanding an apology for a joke one of his ministers made about Muslims, the Dominion Post newspaper reported Saturday.
The president of the Federation of Islamic Associations New Zealand, Anwar Ghani, said Muslims were "very upset" about the remarks made in a speech by Building Minister Maurice Williamson.
"We brought it to the notice of the PM saying that what was said was highly inappropriate and the minister should be reprimanded and apologise," Ghani told the newspaper.
They doth protest too much. Perhaps some element of truth rubbed them the wrong way.
Williamson cracked a joke about Muslims and the practice of stoning while giving a speech at a building industry awards ceremony last month.
Ghani said he did not think comments centred on religious intolerance were commonplace in New Zealand, but this issue was "a big problem because it was uttered by someone who is regarded as being responsible and a public figure".
A spokesman for the prime minister confirmed the letter had arrived and was being considered.
Christianity, Atheism, Judaism, Buddhism and Hinduism rock, whereas Islam throws rocks!
Excellent point Marisol. How I'd love to see New Zealand's PM have the intellect and/or the backbone to say exactly the same thing.
More from NZ.
How 70% of New Zealand lamb imports to Britain are halal... but this is NOT put on the label
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315065/How-70-New-Zealand-lamb-imports-Britain-halal--isnt-label.html#ixzz10esuPDM5
More halal:
Top supermarkets secretly sell halal: Sainsbury's, Tesco, Waitrose, and M&S don't tell us meat is ritually slaughtered
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315278/Top-supermarkets-secretly-sell-halal-Sainsburys-Tesco-Waitrose-M-S-dont-tell-meat-ritually-slaughtered.html?ITO=1490#ixzz10etKIXfE
It would seem the word "stoner" has an entirely different meaning in the Middle East than in North America.
Spending energy on correcting Islamic Violence is Un-Islamic.
What was the Joke? Are the newspapers so deathly afraid of the muslims that they won't reprint it and let the public decide for themselves?
This should be interesting to see the follow up
As of Sept 8th the Kiwi PM was "downplaying the jokes" saying that Williamson is known for his humour.
The jokes:
"What is the difference between Muslims and Kiwis? Muslims get to commit adultery and get stoned, Kiwis get stoned and commit adultery."
And making light of a weather forecast: "Shi'ite in the morning and Sunni in the afternoon."
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10671915
Stoning?
SHOCKING VIDEO OF TALIBAN STONING TO DEATH A WOMAN IN N.PAKISTAN.......
http://tundratabloid.blogspot.com/2010/09/shocking-video-of-taliban-stoning-to.html
Or Child rapes
Muslim Rapes Christian Toddler for Refusal to Convert to Islam
http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/02/muslim-rapes-christian-toddler-for.html
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New Zealand is a wonderful country. But years of a Labour government has resulted in the same scene as in the UK.
"What is the difference between Muslims and Kiwis? Muslims get to commit adultery and get stoned, Kiwis get stoned and commit adultery."
Hehehe.
"We brought it to the notice of the PM saying that what was said was highly inappropriate and the minister should be reprimanded and apologise," Ghani told the newspaper///
Was it inappropriate because it is blasphemous to make fun of something approved and done by Mohammed?
Yawn.....muslims are always very upset about something.
They thrive on turmoil.
Just a test post.
They just can't take a joke!
Muslims demand apology for New Zealand PM's stoning joke, but where is the indignation about the real thing?
I know this question is sardonic and rhetorical, as it should be. But some background is always a good thing (unless one is a Moslem who is satisfied with your crapulous existence, as all devout Moslems are).
*** Sirat Rasul Allah pp 675 & 676 ***
After the very first contract murder in the history of Islam, this one on the geriatric Abu Afak who had dared to criticize Mohammed and his gang members, Asma Marwan lambasted her fellow Jews for not responding in kind:
I despise B. Malik and al-Nabit
and `Auf and B. al-Khazraj.
You obey a stranger who is none of yours,
One not of Murad or Madhhij.
Do you expect good from him after the killing of your chiefs
Like a hungry man waiting for a cook's broth?
Is there no man of pride who would attack him by surprise
And cut off the hopes of those who expect aught from him?
Hassan b. Thabit answered her:
Banu Wa'il and B. Waqif and Khatma
Are inferior to B. al-Khazrahj.
When she called for folly woe to her in her weeping,
For death is coming.
She stirred up a man of glorious origin,
Noble in his going out and in his coming in.
Before midnight he dyed her in her blood
And incurred no guilt thereby.
And death did come to her. Marwan was stabbed to death while sleeping about a week later, the second contract murder in the glorious history of Islam. This is documented in the Most Holy and Sacred Scriptures of Islam, and the murder is revered by Moslems the world over to this day.
To the glory of Islam! And also let's give a shout out to Dubya's Religion of Peace!
But you must understand, because of their exalted position on the moral compass, Moslems don't take criticism well, not at all. In fact, they absolutely will not tolerate it.
Taking the NZ episode in this context, the deal is Moslems are above criticism and it's verboten for Infidels to criticize Moslems. On the penalty of death, or at least the immediate threat of death or maiming.
One last thing: the Moslems don't voice shock and indignation at the slut stonings cuz they actually regard all free women to be just that, and agree that these greusome executions are necessary and good.
And that's no joking matter, cuz hat's the way it's gotta be. Sez so right there in the Ko-Ran and Hah-Death and Sear-Rah. May peace and blessings be upon theeem.
IN CORE ISLAMIC TEXTS, MUHAMMAD REPEATEDLY ORDERED STONING:
In the most canonical hadith collection, Sahih Bukhari:
In the Qur'an "Allah" says at least 25 times that Muhammad is to be obeyed. That is one reason why most Muslim scholars accept the Bukhari hadiths and a few other hadith collections as authoritative for Muslims: canonical hadiths show what Muhammad did and said, permitted and forbade.
So it's "intolerant" to criticize Muslims for the practice of stoning now?
Then, by golly, go ahead and label me "intolerant", damnit. Especially when this is the sort of thing they want to bring to NZ, or Canada, or anywhere that isn't currently Islamic.
Why, why, why, can we not all be able to come out and tell them to stay in their own parts of the world if they're into this stuff?
The phrase "Yankee, go home" is common enough. Now it's time to make "Paki, go home" even more popular.
I guess "Everybody must get stoned...." will take on a new meaning in the PC Muslim world.
this is really funny! they need to get a sense of humor. as a former muslim i think it is hallarious. here is a good one for you.
a man goes to an adult sex shop ans asks to buy a female doll. the clerck say would you like a white doll or black doll.
white doll please!
the clerck asks" do you want a chrsitian doll or a muslim doll?"
what is the diffirence the man asks.
the muslim dolls blow themselves up!!!
a man goes to an adult sex shop ans asks to buy a female doll.
Well, you know more about adult sex shops than I, I wouldn't know anything about such places or blow up dolls...
Here's something that popped up in the news web site.
New Muslim comic book superhero on the way
The idea sounds good as long as it stays focused on disability. If the focused gets shifted to preaching Islamic lifestyle and tolerance towards Islam without anything the other way, I'd send letters to the people doing the comics.
Back when I was in college, they had a deaf artists exchange program with Russia. We collaborated with them and exchanged artwork. I think 6 or 8 people were picked from each side to go over to the other side with the artwork. A friend of mine went and she had a blast. It was interesting to see the Russian artwork. Much of it was very religious oriented compared to the US works.
Check out the reponses below the article. More proof that people are waking up to what Islam is all about.
"This should be interesting to see the follow up"
In the world college drinking stunts I believe New Zealand contributed the: it starts when you hear your name or a mate taps you on the shoulder, when you turn around to say what? or yeah? they vomit in your mouth, it's called 'the pelican'.
NZ pop tune - I fell in love with a suicide bomber
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmT1qu9wfLI&feature=related
but you do get the joke,No?
I got it. That's pretty funny, too, especially since you are a former muslim! :)
but you do get the joke,No?
I might if you can explain why a blow up doll is for sale in a sex shop...
Great joke Miriam! I'm going to tell that to everyone!
Got anymore?
"If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him."
- Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Argh! Don't ruin one of my fave Dylan songs, plz.
Thanks for that one, miriam rove.. I got a laugh out of it !
Muslims demand apology for New Zealand PM's stoning joke, but where is the indignation about the real thing?
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Well, there's the rub. Likewise, it is "insensitive" to joke about suicide bombers, but not terribly insensitive for Muslims to blow themselves up while killing their victims.
In the same way, it is "insensitive" to suggest that Muslims are pedophiles, but so many Muslims are oddly silent about the suffering of little girls sold off to old men.
I could go on about "honor" killings and rage over cartoons, and many other matters, but why bother?
Here are some more jokes about Muslims, including a number of stoning jokes.
They may not be all that hilarious, but you have to start somewhere!
http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2006/09/muslim-humor-muslim-jokes.html
The noble Muslim's murderous rage triggered by criticism of Islam is entirely the fault of infidels who fail to accept that Muhammad's stonings, robbery, amputations, torture, terrorism, murder for hire, child rape, genocide, and discrimination against women, is the perfect example of conduct for all mankind for all time.
Miriam, that was hilarious! Thanks for the best laugh of the day.
Actually the original is not a bad joke and we could do with a lot more like it.
But as the NZ "Islamic community" is probably still too small to have much political clout he may get away with it unlike in the UK.
Some years ago a London Metropolitan Police detective was one of many sent on a "Cultural awareness" course including sessions about islam. At the end he had to give a short talk and joked, "muslims have to give up sex during ramadan so I wouldn't fancy being one of them!"
A muslim woman detective complained, he was suspended for 2 years and eventually left the police. The muslims present including the complainant got £35,000 each ($40,000) for hurt feelings.
To be fair the senior muslim officer investigating the case said this was an overreaction by the then Police Commissioner. But the guy still lost his job and the muslims kept the money.
PS How many muslims are there in NZ? How did they get there?
Ewe, ewe and ewe, stand up and be counted. Get out from behind that rock and defend your right to joke and laugh at the barbaric ways of Islam - even if they practice the most brutal forms of punishment you could imagine in the 21st century.
Kiwis are always ridiculed about having so many sheep and their relationship with them. It's not true that we are overly fond of them either - ok! I suppose we (me a Kiwi) can't make fun of Islam's favourite food now, as it would be indirectly insulting Islam.
Ba, ba, bloody ba!
look, there are a lot men who are into screwing life size female dolls. theese dolls you have to blow them up with an air pump, just like to blow up a baby pool.
Muslim dolls blow themselves up, what it means that muslim dolls strap explosives and blow themselevs up.
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