No compromise. No mutual respect. No mutual understanding. No generous response to a generous overture. Just, as always, demands for unilateral and unreciprocated accommodation. "Paris mosque slams burger chain's Muslim outreach," from The Associated Press, September 2 (thanks to Block Ness):
Note to big companies hoping to tap into France's lucrative but long-neglected Muslim consumer market: Pitfalls may await, and not only in the form of complaints from the far-right.As of this week, 22 outlets of popular French fast food chain Quick are serving burgers it says respect Islamic dietary law. And while many Muslims are delighted, the powerful main Paris Mosque complained Thursday that Quick's criteria aren't all-encompassing enough, and that the operation is meaningless.
Quick's meat is certified as halal, but Cheikh Al Sid Cheikh, assistant to the rector of the Paris Mosque, said the burger chain should have had the other ingredients checked as well, from its mustard to buns to fries.
"The rest must be validated too, or else there's no point," he told The Associated Press. Quick responded that it has no intention of making any of its restaurants halal through-and-through _ beer is still served there, for example, said spokeswoman Valerie Raynal....
Fateh Kimouche, founder of the French Muslim consumer Web site Al-Kanz, says most of the 40 to 50 outlets in France that provide halal certification aren't rigorous enough and don't have their own inspectors to verify that Islamic law is being respected.
He says the situation is scandalous, calling it "halal-gate."
"Up to 90 percent of meat marked 'halal' isn't really, and there are big names in French industry that are up to their necks in the problem," he said.....
That's a good way to get those necks struck (cf. Qur'an 47:4).
From the No Good Deed Goes Unpunished Department, this recently uncovered passage: As the Qu'ran states in Verse 9769^(12.37), "Gratitude to the kuffir shall not be found in the best of peoples lest they smite your neck before you get to smite theirs. Griping and complaining as a constant from the best of peoples is melodious and pleasing to the ears of Allah."
Why not open up a restaurant of their own? Oh, well, they could already have done that, and not be able to complain.
My God, and to think I visited Paris in the '90's and NONE of this Muslim BS was happening. C'est un cauchemar, un vrai cauchemar.
Mr. Spencer: I have lot of respect for you. But I do not understand what does this have to do with JW. as you may know I am from Iran, and I frequent an Iranian restaurant here in the city called Colbeh on west 39th street. this restaurant is owned by orthodox Iranian Jews and they have their own Rabbi on staff. they have to adhere to all kind of Jewish Dietery laws, for example there is no Dairy product there. otherwise observant Jews will not go there to eat. it is the same thing these people are saying in Paris. it has to be by Islamic laws or they tell you not eat there. so why bring this subject up. can you pleas explain and let me what I am missing here.
Thank you
M
Does anyone know where I can get a good halal pulled pork sandwich and a few halal light beers?
Muslims have opened their own restaurants and they have failed to generate profits...it seems very few loyal customers could be found...
No doubt the paying customers were at the beer and burger palace....
Muslims are jealous...
miriam, this is a non-Muslim owned fast food franchise that is submitting to dhimmitude and trying to appease the Muslim population, and it is completely relevant to jihadwatch. This gives Americans and other Western Europeans an idea of just what is in store for us if we continue to appease Muslims, who continuously demand that we adhere to their culture, because they are obviously unwilling to adhere to ours.
To Miriam Rove. I will of course let Mr. Spencer answer your question for himself, but I will offer a suggestion. Perhaps your living in Iran, a Muslim country where kindness is in short supply, for a portion of your life has shaded your view of Western values, but there is a common core of decency among Western cultures. We do believe in the Golden Rule, the example of the Good Samaritan, and Christianity's lodestar of loving your neighbor.
In this case we witness a good deed being done, simply as an act of kindness or good neighborly behavior. And the reaction of the intended recipients of that kindness is nothing but rudeness raw written in large script.
How come you couldn't see that? Decent people do NOT behave that way.
@ Miriam
"can you pleas explain and let me what I am missing here."
Are you suggesting that Quick ditches its beer and other foodstuffs just to please the local Muslim religious leaders? Then we're on the slippery slope to bowing to Shari'a. Dhimmitude beckons.
Quick offers a Menu for all tastes. You wanna eat there, fine. You don't like it? Go somewhere else.
But don't start twisting Quick's arm up its back to force them to change their business to a Muslim-only menu.
Integrate, goddammit, integrate! And stop whining!
"Paris burger joint sells halal burgers, Muslims outraged"
But Muslims are always outraged,enraged, or whining! So this is pretty much a non story.
Muslims demand that animals be killed according to halal standards because it is the most barbaric way of killing an animal. A single slice to the throat, the only acceptable way to kill an animal and have it be halal, is a slow, painful, bloody death for the animal.
I wonder what PETA will do when this practice becomes more common in the US? Will their love for animals outweigh their other leftist beliefs, like political correctness and cultural sensitivity?
This is Paris. Not a Muslim country. Stop appeasing the Mohammedans' with their Jihad ideology, France. ARRETEZ! MAINTENANT!
I hope so, but it wouldn't be the first time that an animal rights/welfare or environmental group has sold out to the gods of multiculturalism and political correctness, etc.
Look at their current unwillingness to link population to environmental degredation any more.
"...Cheikh Al Sid Cheikh, assistant to the rector of the Paris Mosque, said the burger chain should have had the other ingredients checked as well, from its mustard to buns to fries."
Not good enough for the Muslim palate? The solution to that is to take your business elsewhere...It's called choice...another word for freedom.
What's that you say? Freedom is an Infidel construct, against the Will of Allâh, against the Holey Qur’ân, and that really swell Prophet, Mohammed ain't havin' nothin' to do with freedom 'ceptin' for himself.
Well, you can still take your business elsewhere and stop whining.
...While you're at it, F.O.A.D.
It is all another way of saying that Muslims must have control of food production. That Infidels take no harm from halal food goes without saying.
I read in a manual for Danish Muslims that the entire process of preparing and making food must be closely supervised to ensure that not a drop of sweat from the Infidel shall cause pollution.
Then why can't they just put their nastiness on Facebook, tell their Muslim friends not to eat there, and leave it at that? Why the big to-do in the press about how awful the non-Muslim owners are and how it's a slap in the face, etc.?
The message is "conform, infidels" and that is why it is relevant to jihadwatch. Before you joined us there was a sister site called "dhimmiwatch.org" where you can find archives of many of these types of incidents.
The sites are now merged, but note what happens to the native population as the Muslim percentage of that population increases? Blocked streets, no go zones, and sneering about efforts to draw Muslim patronage.
the French company f...up and should have never called it self or the hamburger Halal in a joint that sells beer. this time they asked for it period. it is like me going to Crown Hights and opening a reastaurant and calling it "Glatt Kosher". it is not going to go down with the Jewish people living there. so no this article does not belong here.
m
perhaps living in Iran....
you don need to be mother f....ing condesenidng to have a conversation with me. there are plenty of decent people every where.
m
and I am not whining. I have integrated here since you were holding your daddy pants. either have an intelleget discussion or shut the F....up.
m
that I do not know. but I can tell you for sure we are far more savvy business people than French are. no Burger joint here would do something like that without doing their hom wrok. and the last part of your post, I am not sure what you exactly mean si I am not able to respond. sorry.
M
What exactly is 'halal'?
According to al-islam.org, one condition is (all emphasis mine):
So, whenever you see public school system, prisons or other government operated facilities that have changed to a halal menu only to accommodate muslims, keep in mind the government is contracting with slaughterhouses that discriminate against non-muslims.
Miriam Rove. I wasn't having a conversation with you. I was telling you the time of day, numbskull. Whiny and stupid: what a way to go through life.
And since you have difficulty displaying any sort of decency to me and other posters, it is YOU who should be doing the shutting up! Maybe there are decent people everywhere, but you're not one of them.
I guess it is true after all. Once you have 'em, you can't get rid of the Muslim attitudes.
Clearly you haven't integrated.
I remember the Halal only KFC outlets....turned out to be a financial fiasco for the Muslims....no customers...
I believe, as to why this story is relevant, is because it shows another glimse into the European Muslim mindset. Nothing but TOTAL submission to the Islamic way is acceptable. A nice gesture such as this, is received with condemnation as "NOT GOOD ENOUGH"! They expect the total submission to Islam at this restuarant or nothing. To me, it shows how Muslims in Europe enmass think. And it applies not only to a restuarant, but to everything. It also shows that Muslims do not have a will to integrate, to share, to accomodate. Its their way or no way.
What the hell is halal mustard?
I doubt if these Muslims are really "outraged" - sounds like a pretense to get the infidel to ask "how high" when told to jump. It's another professional victim's power game and I suspect they get a good laugh at the infidel's expense.
I predict that Paris is going to see another revolution, but this time it won't be the Bastille that is demolished by the people.
The good people of Paris (a city I love) have already begun to fight back against the Moslem encroachment, and not just on Fridays when the Musulmen block entire neighborhoods with their asinine militant, and illegal, arse-wagging.
The police, for now, do nothing.
http://sheikyermami.com/2010/09/01/the-islamization-of-france-2/
I twice tried to make a Danish chicken producer tell me if he could guarantee that chickens that were not marked Halal truly were not so. Never having received any answer I am not too pleased: it was a perfectly polite inquiry expressing a real concern.
But then I got to read the websites telling me about the Muslim distrust, and I suppose my mails were swamped.
Miriam,
The story is appropriate for JW because it's a prime example of "soft-jihad."
Why are you in such a poor mood today?
Hi Eleanor.
I just saw this video. I have been to France many times and never seen this. is this a new thing?
m
Miriam rove needs to loosen up. Maybe it's the remaining Muslimness in him that hinders this.
You cannot half bow to Islam.
Ask Obama.
Yes, Miriam, it's a fairly new thing in the past 10 years, roughly.
It's a slow encroachment. People have been afraid to stand up to them for fear of violence, but that's going to change, and the change has already begun. The people of Paris are starting to push back because they don't want Paris to become Morocco II, and because they're tired of the nothing but nastiness they get from Moslims over every. single. issue.
They cut each tiny seed's throat with a microscopic butcher knife?
I have integrated here since you were holding your daddy pants. either have an intelleget discussion or shut the F....up.
Try to hold yourself together man, you're falling apart...You can disagree with any article you don't like...You have had this one explained to you numbers of times now and don't seem to get it...Now you are swearing again...Lighten up...
"either have an intelleget discussion or shut the F....up.
m"
New troll in charge? When I squint, "m" looks a little like A. M. I'm just sayin'...
Wake up, West! Moslems cannot be satisfied, particularly by courteous gestures.
"What the hell is halal mustard?"
Uhhh...mustard made from mustard seeds that have not the faith of a mustard seed??
Memo to Quick: Do Not Feed The Crocodiles. In particular, do not feed them "halal". It's the Captain Jas. Hook principle: give 'em a hand, they want the rest of you.
The definition of halal, as posted by DJM above, speaks to the need for in-depth education about Islam and the pitfalls of attempts at dhimmitude. "Halal" does not simply equal a form of animal slaughter. It encompasses the exclusion of kuffar from the entire process. Therefore, a restaurant attempting to pacify or entice Muslims by offering "halal" fare would have to fire any non-Muslims from its staff and ensure that its entire food-preparation staff is comprised of Muslims.
The Muslims in France are arrogantly demanding that this be done. They are not helpfully informing Quick that semi-halal is a waste of Quick's resources and needn't be attempted. Are they opening their own halal eating places, or are they just waiting for the dhimmis to wholely capitulate?
Chain restaurants in US southern border states may feature more Mexican and Spanish cuisine than in other parts of the country. As a rule, Mexicans do not demand that the food in such restaurants be handled only by Mexicans. (Though given the present "immigration" conditions it probably is anyway.)
Jews operate Kosher restaurants. They do not walk into the Burger King next door and try to demand that it turn itself into a kosher restaurant just because there are Jews living in the neighborhood. That's the difference.
Since I am a vegan, and don't set foot in fast food greasy burger palaces, I don't have a horse in this race food wise...
'Quick's meat is certified as halal, but Cheikh Al Sid Cheikh, assistant to the rector of the Paris Mosque, said the burger chain should have had the other ingredients checked as well, from its mustard to buns to fries'.
Also check the sanitary conditions in the food preparation areas...There's a lot of haram stuff that go's on there...If you start out with haram you end up with a haramburger, even if you think it's halal...
Wake up, West! Moslems cannot be satisfied, particularly by courteous gestures.
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Yep, if people would think of it like the old days with the U.S.S.R., they'd actually fare much better:
It was said, and it was true, that the Russians only understood and respected STRENGTH, RESOLVE & FORCE.
I beieve it to be the same with Islam.
Politeness and appeasement only make them view you as weak, and they will then become even more demanding and aggressive toward you (see Obama).
OT
Muslims Resume Building on Christian Graveyard in Pakistan
http://www.crosswalk.com/news/religiontoday/11637371/
..."as you may know I am from Iran, and I frequent an Iranian restaurant here in the city called Colbeh on west 39th street. this restaurant is owned by orthodox Iranian Jews" ...
You answered your own question of Robert, miriam ...the restaurant you frequent is "owned by" orthodox Iranian Jews--whereas Quick is a restaurant chain. C'm on, it isn't hard to figure out why Robert would post this headline ...
Everything must be submitted to Muslim halal inspectors before it can be certifies "halal". This means everything, even chemicals used for preservatives or colour. Muslims want complete control of food production and they are detemined to get it.
Here in Australia, companies which are trying to get a slice of the export market in Asia have capitulated very quickly because of Muslim Indonesia and Malaysia. Even Sanitarium, a Christian vegetarian company owned by Seventh Day Adventists, is "working with" Muslim halal inspectors to ensure export-readiness. I have written to them about their betrayal of their Christian principles but they don't care; they just wrote back some PC rubbish to me.
But exports aside, Australians generally see nothing wrong with the halal certification. There are so many examples. A Hindu at a local restaurant was surprised when I said I cannot eat at his establishment because the food is advertised as "halal". But who am I? Just one person.
Even China is giving in, and I have had to change brands when buying soya sauce, because suddenly the little "halal" sign appeared on it (approved by the Islamic-China Society, or something). Kikkoman soy sauce, by the way, is NOT halal...those wicked Japanese produce soy sauce which is akin to alcohol!
Cream, cheese, chocolate, biscuits ("Fantastic" brand rice crackers, for instance): the little sign is appearing, and soon only hard-core organic food enthusiasts will be eating food not certified "halal"...and they will be paying at least twice as much for their food as ordinary supermarket shoppers do.
I do miss Cadbury's chocolate...and Marmite. But the companies which make them, unfortunately, don't miss me.
Ah, that's right, we are najis...unclean. And guess they are too embarassed, or have ulterior motives, to tell us najis the truth of what they of us...not just yet anyway. Sinister.
Correction for above post; "they THINK of us"
You guys probably got it, though. Preview is my friend.
DJM and littlered bird. Very informative, thank you.
profitsbeard...lol y'all are cracking me up with the mustard seed jokes.
Good thread!
I have never been in a halal market or butcher shop where I would buy meat or produce. My every experience in these places, the smells of rotten meat, decaying moldy vegetables, and the hypocritical attitudes about selling tobacco and alcohol to infidels, tells me that I will buy as little as necessary there, and then only in a vacuum-sealed glass or metal container from a known big-brand food packager.
If you eat at halal restaurants or buy food at halal markets, it is only a matter of time before you develop gastro-intestinal upsets and perhaps chronic diarrhea...maybe this is what makes Muslims so bad-tempered...come to think of it, all the Muslims I know are always complaining about stomach upsets and excessive gas.
How bout a simple and low cost solution...ban halal in France.
Now there's an unpleasant thought if connected with certain ritual moves during Muslim prayers. Calls to mind the campfire supper scene from "Blazing Saddles", and that ought to be enough to earn me a couple fatwas right there.
Oh, good lord, is that what they're up to in France, with their arses wagging in the air out in the streets?
Gasp! But gas warfare was banned by the Geneva Convention!!
With halal food production comes muslim jobs, with halal certification comes the jiziya payments (tribute) to the ummah, so they can stay in business to spread Islam and build more mosques and madrassas.
That's what its all about.
Orthodox Jews might be a bit annoyed if a burger bar was advertising food as kosher when it wasn't. M has a point I think. They would tell their friends. They wouldn't be "outraged". That's the difference.
Curious these muslims are outraged about a burger. Were they outraged by the recent murders in Pakistan? Were they outraged by the murders of schoolchildren in Beslan? And the 1,000s of other similar atrocities. I think of the words from the Gospel: "They strain out a gnat and swallow a camal." This Pharasaical hypocrisy! Perform your ritual washings and bobbing and then go and cut someone's throat! All the madness of Hell!
As a rule, Mexicans do not demand that the food in such restaurants be handled only by Mexicans. (Though given the present "immigration" conditions it probably is anyway.)
lrb, I only eat in restaurants that have Mexicans in the kitchen. Just find that those joints have better tasting food. Remember, just because they are mexican and working at an entry level pos they are not illegals.
Undercover video from Paris streets:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4j1pvqs508
"I wonder what PETA will do when this practice becomes more common in the US? Will their love for animals outweigh their other leftist beliefs, like political correctness and cultural sensitivity?"
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Well, I don't think PETA will care.
I recently read a story where a PETA beauty contestant who used her car to mow down some stranger in SC who was walking with his dog. She then fled the scene without trying to render aid. Both the man and his dog died.
I mean....c'mon.....you'd think she would have at least stopped to perform CPR on the dog!
What irks me is the police won't do anything about it, just like in Britain.
And soon in the states, too, it would seem.
FYI:
www.cnsnews.com/news/article/72088
OH, HOW I LONG FOR THE DAYS GONE BY WITH DHIMI WATCH!!!
“why building an Islamic community center in New York City, which already has over 100 mosques, is so vital to national security?”
He replied: “It’s the debate that has made it important to national security because now it is in the spotlight..."
Friggin MORON!! If it isn't this, it would be something else, until final domination happens!! And THIS dumbass is working as a friggin INTEROGATOR?!?!??
Wonderful!
This thread has gone on way too long.
Take a break with a little Muslim humor,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS4v_kj9rw4
http://www.qubetv.tv/videos/detail/175
http://www.qubetv.tv/videos/detail/80
One more,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daxupYD05Zo
Miriam -- This sort of diligence would not be undertaken for the dietary restrictions of any other faith.
For that matter, it wouldn't even be undertaken for the sake of a real, live, medically documented food allergy/intolerance, where actual contamination of food carries very real, physical consequences.
The double standard and imposition of Muslim strictures by a nationwide chain, and on all customers, is what is at issue here.
To bend over so far backwards to cater to one minority position tells the rest of Quick's customer base: "You matter less to us."
And those customers have the option, and the right, to take their business elsewhere.
"Halal meat must come from animals that have been killed by a cut to the jugular vein. The animal's head is pointed toward Mecca, and a blessing is recited."
Also, the animal has to be slaughtered by a muslim, the prayer is “Bismilla Rahim wa Allah Akbar” (in the name of allah, allah is great).
The french/muslim consumer web site said each Quick outlet needs to hire a muslim halal inspector to verify islamic law is being respected.
A few things have come to mind.
1) Part of the muslim rage about this is the fact that they do not have complete control of every industry that supplies "Quick" burger and thus are not benefitting financially and also from stealth jihad.
2) When Quick originally announced that there would be no bacon on burgers in their restaurant in an area where many muslims lived, many of the long time patrons of Quick were forced to travel out of their neighborhood to get their favorite burger. There was quite an uproar at that time, when it was only one restaurant. Obviously Quick doesn't care what their non-muslim customers think and is making all their outlets halal. And that would outlaw any bacon or pork products because my understanding is that no pork products are allowed in the same building with halal foods.
3) I refuse to eat anything that is halal, I consider it cursed. I will boycott any product that is marked halal. It is a small price to pay to not be forced to submit.
4)Miriam is indeed not integrated and very rude. I loathe trolls.
5) Eleanor, you have to be the sweetest, kindest person, next to Isabella & Dumblesdorearmy. I just hope it's appreciated by everyone.
J
When you agree with 20 percent of what is posted, disagree with 80 percent, and never bring any logical or constructive argument to the table, then you are a troll like miriam.
La Mosquée Notre-Dame de Paris : année 2048 (at Amazon)
"Afterwards, I spoke to the author and asked if she had any plans for this book to be published in English. She said that she would love this but there are no plans as yet."
http://galliawatch.blogspot.com/2009/04/censored-interview.html
Will no one translate this book into English?!! ASAP - should be a best seller in English.
You have a point here, but it should be the non-muslims who make a difference.
Non-muslims should start boycotting any establishment that decides they should side with these thugs. You know the saying, "money talks and BS walks".
I personally have stopped watching Comedy Central over the South Park/ Mohammad episode. Even though I am not in their marketing demographic we have to start somewhere.
Just last night, my husband told me for the ten millionth time that I am too trusting and naive but despite my alleged unsuspecting nature, I think y'all are being too tough on Miriam.
Miriam has told us that he is a native Iranian and a former muslim, and he has also told us that he is a naturalized U.S. citizen, a New Yorker I think, and that he has abandoned religion entirely. Now Miriam could be lying but I don't think so. I try to see things from other perspectives, I think we all do. I have absolutely nothing in common with Miriam but nonetheless, I have tried to imagine how he conceptualizes us and our debates about islam. Assuming that Miriam is who he claims to be, he has lived the islamic experience and knows more about it than we ever will. Perhaps he saw no relevance in this article about halal fast food because he did not see the 'stealth jihad' element in the story, or maybe he has other reasons for being puzzled about the article's applicability. His question deserves an answer, which he got from several other posters and Marisol.
Miriam hasn't been posting here very long but he seems sincere to me. He has the potential to be a valuable contributor and we need all the help we can get. I do not think Miriam is a troll, he just has a rather blunt way of expressing himself.
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Miriam is a troll.
"3) I refuse to eat anything that is halal, I consider it cursed. I will boycott any product that is marked halal. It is a small price to pay to not be forced to submit."
Amen to that, brother!
I did not get the idea that MUSLIMS were demanding Quick conform to halal standards. It seems to me that the chain decided to offer certain products made from halal meat, then expected Muslims who observe this aspect of their religion to come flocking to its doors. Of course Quick blundered in thinking that it could just claim that its offerings were "halal" and expect Muslims to start buying there without questions. I find this unreasonable.
In Dallas there was a kosher restaurant whose owner decided to "fudge" on certain aspects of the requirements. The Va'ad HaKashrut for that city pulled the kosher certification. The owner felt he could still attract Seventh Day Adventists and vegetarians, so he did not particulary care, or so it appeared. Of course Jews who observe kashrut stopped going to this business.
Since there was no request from Muslims that the owners provide a halal product, I think it is wrong to state that this is an example of "stealth jihad."
The requirements for one to be a shochet, or Jewish ritual slaughter, are so strict in terms of how the animal is to be checked for anything that might cause disease both before and after its slaughter that it takes a person about five years to qualify for certification. Since the shochet must be a Jew who keeps commandments, this disqualifies a non-Jewish person from being a shochet. Is this also an example of discrimination based on ethnicity, religion, or race, as someone suggested above?
As regards the claim on another thread that kosher slaughter AND halal slaughter are "barbaric," I have seen both practices, and while I would agree that the sight of killing any animal is unpleasant, I would not call them "barbaric" in any sense. The animals were down and out of it in quick order.
At a time when people in general Western society generally lived very short lives, kashrut-observing Jews were much less prone to diseases that ravaged the general society, and usually had a much longer life span.
There must be some good ideas in Islam (it can not possibly be ALL bad) or we would not find humans adhering to it.
I do not see this event as falling under the rubric of "stealth jihad."
PETA already jumped the shark (and avoided injuring it to boot) when they ran those billboard ads that claimed Jesus was a vegetarian.
Since Jesus was Jewish (speaking of His humanity), he would have eaten the Passover lamb like any observant and devout Jew, and scripture contains passages in which it was recorded that He ate fish.
FAIL.
Note: These are my views and not the views of Jihad Watch.
I really do hate Islam. The West needs to deport them all before these arrogant fascist supremacist destroy us. They are nothing but a cancer and I note these seventh century barbarians have not even earned the right to be arrogant. So what if they know how to beat their wives, behead, honor kill, be the most intolerant group on the planet, be violent, riot at the drop of the hat, build homicide belts, lie like the devil, masters at deception, have sex with minors, and drink camel pe* all just like their false "prophet" Mohammed.......BIG WHOOP! Give them an embossed Achievement certificate and the promise of an orgy in heaven when they die for that nutjob "Allah", and send them packing.
"I refuse to eat anything that is halal, I consider it cursed. I will boycott any product that is marked halal. It is a small price to pay to not be forced to submit."
Amen. Same here. Allah is a false "god" contrived by Satan. Mohammed was a barbarian now in hell and his satanic "faith" is sending billions to hell.
If Muslims want halal food, they can start their own fast food chain.....preferably in Saudi Arabia or Iran.
Agreed. I am happy for miriam rove's critical points of view, and I do not think that though we disagree politically, that we don't each have something to add to this dance.
I know it's rough out there folks, but let's not see monsters under the bed.
critical points of view? Just talking sh*t and not saying anything constructive(unlike many of the regular posters, even the muslims make some points), miriam is a troll. I have been impressed with the comments here and other places that miriam likes to troll, though, miriam backs up nothing. I like debating, though, when you have nothing backing it up, your just a retard who is trying to get attention.
Thanks Fscarn for those videos links. That "It's in the Koran" was a hoot.
Was the halal burger called a "Mohammburger?"
I just found this while searching for a list of halal food goods. I knew the "halal" business was rich but i didn't think it was quite this rich.
""Plus, halal certification does open the door to a $20 billion economy for halal food in North America alone! "
http://www.ifanca.org/newsletter/2010_07.htm
$20 billion???
"Was the halal burger called a "Mohammburger?""
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Good one, sir, good one!
I was once in Pakistan as part of a School exchange program. I got offered a delicacy of Pashtun lamb. I refused and said that i do not eat halal meat. There was a stunned silence in the dining room.
My muslim host was indignant and asked why not? I said to him if you come to my house and i offer you chicken biryani made out of non halal meat, what would you do?
He say as a matter of factly ...I am a muslim I can only have halal meat and refuse.
I said thank you, you have answered the the question that you posed to me.
He had an expression of a rabbit in headlights...
That's an excellent way of replying. Simply turn the question on the questioner. Wonderful! I was constructing a longwinded reply to the question before i read how you replied. This reminds me of an incident in the Gospel Mk 11:28
And they came again to Jerusalem. And as he was walking in the temple, the chief priests and the scribes and the elders came to him,
[28] and they said to him, "By what authority are you doing these things, or who gave you this authority to do them?"
[29] Jesus said to them, "I will ask you a question; answer me, and I will tell you by what authority I do these things.
[30] Was the baptism of John from heaven or from men? Answer me."
[31] And they argued with one another, "If we say, `From heaven,' he will say, `Why then did you not believe him?'
[32] But shall we say, `From men'?" -- they were afraid of the people, for all held that John was a real prophet.
[33] So they answered Jesus, "We do not know." And Jesus said to them, "Neither will I tell you by what authority I do these things."
Your reply was inspired!
Although Miriam didn't initially present his point in the clearest of ways, he is completely correct: Quick claimed to be offering Halal, and in reality they were offering something that wasn't. For once, Muslims have every right to feel upset and cheated. The important question is whether they will respond like a civilized community, or whether this will lead to violence and hostility.
Some of you really need to check yourself. It seems that as soon as someone identifies himself as a non-white, non-native US citizen, or just someone who doesn't completely share your political views, MANY of you instantly become condescending, rude, hostile, and downright paranoid. Responding to Miriam's polite letter by telling him to "integrate" and "stop whining", and suggesting that he (more specifically, anyone from his country) can't understand basic concepts of human decency simply because he thoughtfully analyzed this article, is absolutely absurd. You aren't doing our cause any favors by alienating anyone who has a slightly different view of things.
I agree with a lot of what John said there: watching Jihad should be the common goal here, whatever background we have. Rather a lot of sites here and here bash Muslims because they bash all strangers and foreigners, I wouldn't like to see that here. Let the sites who bash Jihadwatch do the hating, and for reasons that say more about them than us.
That said, I think Quick had reached out as far as they would by offering halal-certified meat. It was not enough - when is it ever? - and a cleric says so, another one from a Muslim consumer organization adds to it: the entire process - the entire business - must be Muslim-controlled for Muslims to accept it. The essence of the piece is that society is being divided and split even more because of demands by Muslims, demands that they live by and find acceptable, and so the rest of us should also accept this. But as some here point out: by the same logic non-Muslims can refuse to eat food that has been slaughtered and prepared according to a lot of superstitious mumbo-jumbo.
The next step would be that supermarkets in Infidel countries must give up selling alcohol and anything that is not allowed according to Islam, and all meat for Infidels must be kept completely separate so at not to pollute. And we all know who would be blamed if there came the smallest squeak in protest: the racist, war-mongering, fascist hater and not the one of the original demands.
Still, let them certify all Halal food as such and of course it would only be fair if the Muslims paid for the extra trouble they have caused. The expense and trouble caused by a separate supply untouched by the Infidel should be the Muslims' trouble and expense only and if it makes it more expensive and difficult to be a Muslim it cannot possibly be of my concern: they have willed it so themselves.
It's happening here, too.
A Colorado company is now being forced by the Federal government to follow Islamic law to accommodate its Muslim workers.
They rioted and destroyed the place when the company refused to change its laws to allow them to follow Islam and get paid for it, too.
The company called the cops.
Now the Feds are suing the company for discrimination!!
http://jewishdailyreport.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/muslims-force-company-to-follow-their-religion-feds-agree/
The way to ensure that the fast food that you're getting is halal is obviously to buy at an outlet owned and run by muslims. This was a culturally diverse food outlet, owned by two men, "Eddie" and "Rez", one Jordanian born and one Iranian born.
more at
http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/blackpoolnews/Schoolgirl39s-body-39ended-up-in.2904171.jp
and
http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/blackpoolnews/39I-killed-her-in-anger39.2907247.jp?CommentPage=1&CommentPageLength=10
Unfortunately at the trial in a Crown Court in 2007 the jury was discharged after it failed to reach verdicts. A retrial was scheduled to begin a year later but the Crown Prosecution eventually dropped the case because it had 'grave doubts' about the reliability of some of the evidence. The Lancashire Police investigating team were guilty of a strategic and tactical failure in the management of the audio and video material. An IPCC review found that police surveillance techniques were 'handled poorly and unprofessionally' and recommended that one officer should face a disciplinary hearing.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/10/police-blamed-for-blunders-in-muslim-murder-case-of-girl-turned-into-kebab-meat-.html
Why don't you learn from Hollywood movies for Christ's sake ??
Recall No Country for old men & his "chilling":-
" THAT IS THE WAY IT IS ".
Put all those outraged jihadists in planes made in IRAN (no supply of spare parts , no Infidel shall check its air worthiness , piloted by jihadists only ) & send them either to Somalia , Nigeria or Indiaaaa.
Missing alphabet." Ask them to eat...."
Muslims can avoid feelings of rage by simply not buying anything from Quicks....The owners of Quicks will mourn the loss of a few customers, but would certainly understand sacrifices must be made if peace is to prevail...The Muslims can certainly spend their money in a Muslim owned and approved eatery...They will be happy to know that only Muslims will get their money and their business which is exactly as they wish...and the Muslims will avoid any cultural discrepancies and disagreements...The Muslim eatery will only serve approved Islamic food, will hire only properly attired Muslim servers, and will donate only to approved Muslim charities...in fact the Muslim approved eatery will be equipped with the proper Islamic toilet accommodations ...toilet being on proper Islamic construction, not like those tall beautiful and functional Infidel toilets and placed in the proper Islamic direction....of course the proper and approved Islamic eatery will be willing to provide space for those frequent mandatory Islamic prayer sessions...and proper Islamic eatery will be broadcasting recorded proper Islamic teachings from the likes of the great and popular influencial Muslims like A. Choudry, or al-Qaradawi, or maybe the jovial Yusef Estes...In the proper Islamic eatery, the Muslims can be in Muslim estacy as they quote one Qur'anic verse after another to each other...
But they will be careful not to be making jokes as that's not accepted by many top Islamic leaders...The proper Islamic eatery owner may even provide copies of the Chador and Burkah fashion magazine...The customers will have great delight is discussing which model is the most beautiful...
And above all, the Muslims will be in total happiness as they realize there are no Infidels in their place...which is exactly as they wish it...
Miriam asks:
I frequent an Iranian restaurant here in the city called Colbeh on west 39th street. this restaurant is owned by orthodox Iranian Jews and they have their own Rabbi on staff. they have to adhere to all kind of Jewish Dietery laws, for example there is no Dairy product there. otherwise observant Jews will not go there to eat. it is the same thing these people are saying in Paris. it has to be by Islamic laws or they tell you not eat there. so why bring this subject up. can you pleas explain and let me what I am missing here."
Thank you
HMMMMM, are those "Iranian Jews" trying to force their religion upon you...? Are those "Iranian Jews" making demands that you must conform to their religion?.....Are those "Iranian Jews" willing to throw you out of the restaurant if you don't conform to their customs or cultures?....Are those "Iranian Jews" going to sue you if you don't eat their food?...Are those "Iranian Jews" going to torch your car or cause you harm if you don't comply with their religious beliefs?...
I would like to ask the "Iranian Jews" some of these questions...
"Outraged Muslims"...I think it is part of their Islamic upbringing to be this way...
""Up to 90 percent of meat marked 'halal' isn't really, and there are big names in French industry that are up to their necks in the problem," he said.....
That's a good way to get those necks struck (cf. Qur'an 47:4)."
bwahahahahahahahaha....
"Quick Unveils Aggressive New Marketing Campaign "Look for the Green Label" http://thewondrous.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Flood-Ravage-in-Pakistan-20.jpg
Some companies will do anything to make a profit. Let the muslims run their own restaurants and we civilized, ours. It's like unwanted birds in a park. If you don't feed them, they will go elsewhere.
Aside from his quick temper, Miriam makes a valid point about the French fast food chain not doing their homework. How difficult is it to find out what "Halal" means?
I see the danger in the West of Islamic encroachment is brought upon itself by this sloppy superficial understanding and outreach efforts.
To me being respectful is to know the difference and recognize the irreconcilable difference and saying NO.
OT: "Henna Relief Organizers say more needs to be done in worst hit regions."
http://thewondrous.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Flood-Ravage-in-Pakistan-43.jpg
no they do not. agreed. this has nothing to do with it. the french company screwed up. period. if you are going to venture into a religios issue specailly food. then do your home work. period. as soon as someone disagrees here they are called names.
Dearest when*pigs*fly,
While I definitely think that Isabella and dumbles are sweeter and kinder (and far smarter) than me, I sure do appreciate the "shout out!"
Don't know what I did to deserve it...
~El
:D
i am as I stated who I am before. I joined this site like everyone else oppsoing the building of this mosque down town
the very idea of painting everone with the same brush is wrong. those who call me troll do not bother me a bit. I came here in 1976 and did not speak english and I made it big. it would take a lot to intimidate me. this french company had no rights to delve into this before doing their due process. this is the sencond time an article appeared to me and I found it very disturbing. this about Jihad, not people's dietery laws. we have Jewish prisoners here who are catered to kosher food. this is the right thing to do. we can't just tell them to f...off because you are now in a christian prison! see my point. we are better than that.
the tow or three people here who call me troll, I would love to meet you folks on 9-11 down town. if you like I will wear a t shirt with Miriam Rove and then we can have an intellegent conversation.
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@ John
You assume far too much. You are the person bringing up skin color, not anyone else. Go back & read some of "Miriam's' comments and tell me again who is using profanity, hostility & rudeness against other posters.
I doubt he's being"alientaed" for any other reasons than his hostility, rudeness and untrue accusations against other posters.
If you wish to waste your time with him, that's your business but don't harangue other posters who have a clearer opinion of what "miriam" is.
@Steffen Larsen
I doubt "Miriam" is being bashed because he is muslim or brown or illiterate.
"Miriam" demands a lot of attention and when he doesn't get it he resorts to attacks with profanity and rudeness.Maybe his miscommunications, rudeness, hostility & attacks on others has something to do with his being "bashed". Seems to me "Miriam" is doing most of the bashing.
@"miriam"
"as soon as someone disagrees here they are called names."
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The only name I've seen anyone call you is "troll", which seems appropriate.
As I've said before,people here do not call people who disagree with them names, they instead launch a logical debate. You, on the other hand, become angry, hostile and aggressive.
It seems you are looking for victim points. There won't be any from me. "Quack. Quack"
The Serbs were right. We owe them an apology. But they won't get one since Obama only bows to our enemies.
it is people like you who sow hatred. and people like you only understand one thing. intollorance. like the rest of the Jidaist. you are no different. going foprward I will promisr to never respond to you
"miriam"
These are some of your comments made to me & other posters on just this one thread. I could go back to lots of other threads and find many other posts of yours which are probably worse than these but I'm not willing to waste anymore of my time.:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/08/whoever-kills-a-police-officer-enters-paradise.html
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comment to Coureges "I can tell you the the minute someone posts something here that is not in the liking of others they call that person a troll as I have been called which is a bunch of BS."
You know that's not true, you know that usually a debate ensues unless of course the other person is a suspected troll who deserves to be tormented.
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comment to when*pigs*fly
"the only way one can hate Jihad or Jihadist is one that agrees with your political views. otherwise he/she is a troll."
As above.
"either grow up and have an intellegent conversation or shut the f...up and stop calling people a troll since they do not agree with evryting you have to say. this makes you a douch bag."
I think your statement proves who needs to grow up.
"what I despise are those people who are so dogmatic that they can not hear anyone's voice but themselves. you included.
I learned to listen a long time ago, but it appears that you haven't yet.
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And just one of the reasons I know you're a troll? The following statement of yours.
"CongressW: you are so wrong that muslims hate jews. where are you coming from?"
No self-respecting muslim or ex-muslim is not aware of what the koran says about Jews and the hatred imams preach toward Jews.Muslims are taught & indoctrinated to hate Jews from an early age. Any muslim would know that. You are here looking for attention & trying to slide your lies in wherever you can. You can fool some people, but I'm not one of them.
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"it is people like you who sow hatred. and people like you only understand one thing. intollorance."
No. "miriam', it's you. You're the one who is incapable of having a civil discussion without insulting, name calling or attacking. Much to our own detriment it is North Americans (mostly Christians) who are raised to be tolerant even when those they tolerate show them nothing but intolerance & disdain.
and
"I will promisr to never respond to you"
Great, I hope you keep your word, anything else would be a waste of your time because there is no disputing the truth. "Quack Quack"
Jesus also ordered people who were cured of illnesses through his administrations to go offer the thanksgiving sacrifice in the temple (korban todah) and added "YOUR faith has healed you."
The sacrifices were almost always eaten by the giver and his family members, a part being shared with the priests and, by the Torah's law, with a "stranger."
During the Second Commonwealth period of Jewish history, meat eating was actually not common; in fact, if you counted up the animals sacrificed in the Beit ha Mikdash in Jerusalem during any given century, the number of slaughtered animals probably would not have equaled the number of animals killed and eaten in the United States in any given week. Modern people think nothing of buying a plastic-wrapped hunk of dead animal flesh in the supermarket and cooking it up, usually with not so much as a thought of thanks for the life given to us to sustain our souls and bodies, but look askance at these ancient people who killed an animal, thanking God, and eating it together in a communal setting.
So much for the "barbarism" of the sacrificial system.
Canto28, it wasn't clear from that blog essay you linked what language that novel was written in originally -- at one point it mentions it was translated into French -- from what language?
mike ryan writes:
"There must be some good ideas in Islam (it can not possibly be ALL bad) or we would not find humans adhering to it."
Let's say an ideology has a set of beliefs. This set is fairly, simple, composed of Five Great Truths:
1) Help little old ladies across the street
2) Feed the poor
3) Care for orphans
4) Torture and sodomize little girls
5) Follow all five of these Five Great Truths.
So this ideology would have some "good ideas", ne c'est pas?
Come on folks, tighten the screws on your thinking caps! This is the big leagues now!
whenpigsfly -- very good research on this "miriam rove". Trolls, like Muslims, often depend on our bad memory to get away with the shit they do.
Why are you so full of hatred? Anyway, your strawman arguments add nothing to the conversation.
I'll pray for your heart to not be full of hate.
Yusef YK said: "Why are you so full of hatred? Anyway, your strawman arguments add nothing to the conversation.
I'll pray for your heart to not be full of hate."
ROFLMAO
This from a follower of the most vile, most evil, most wicked, most violent, most barbaric, most intolerant, most Satanic, most wicked, most insincere, most tyrannical, most fascist, and most supremacist religious and political ideology on the planet, i.e. Islam.
Look in the mirror Yusef YK. It is your heart that is evil and deceived believing in a pedophile warmongerging barbaric false "prophet" and false "god" Allah who is none other than Satan himself in disguise.
So "sell" your fascist supremacist hypocritical insincere statements, i.e. lies and propaganda, and perverse speech elsewhere.
From the TRUE GOD of the Universe, ie. the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob:
PR 8:13 To fear the LORD is to hate evil;
I hate pride and arrogance,
evil behavior and perverse speech.
AM 5:15 Hate evil, love good;
maintain justice in the courts.
Perhaps the LORD God Almighty will have mercy
on the remnant of Joseph.
RO 12:9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.
You are a follower and believer in EVIL. Examine your heart for it is you who are destined for hell to join your false prophet Mohammed for you are a sinner for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, who has rejected the Son of God Jesus Christ, and your works are as filthy rags. You are a man already condemned and you just don't know it or refuse to accept it.
JN 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son
19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."
Yusef YK the Son of God Jesus Christ puts before you a choice, i.e. choose life or choose death.
By rejecting the Son of God, you have chosen death embracing the evil tyrannical death cult called Islam.
Bravo, Greycoat! :)
Good one, wyldeirishman! LOL!
I ask, too..what the hell is halal mustard????? lol!
I ask, too..what the hell is halal mustard?????
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