The implications of a mosque at Ground Zero

1. The whole debate about the Ground zero mosque brought to the attention of the big media the financing and the real intentions of the Islamists. We need more activities to keep the momentum up!

2. My idea is the following: a 'campaign': "STOP the Saudi persecution: 2 million Christians in Saudi Arabia deserve their FIRST church".

Just imagine a bus add in New York, Washington DC or Chicago with that message written on the side. The average American has no idea that there is not a single church in Saudi Arabia and the persecution those Christians are facing. Few bus adds will start a snow ball effect, and later the TV publicity will bring that issue in the spotlight.

The NY Metropolitan Transportation Authority charged the Coalition for the Preservation of the Ground Zero $8,000 for a 1-month run of the "Why there?" ads on 36 buses. If someone can organize these adds in 3 - 4 major US cities, then the big media will follow the story and the debate will start.

The campaign "2 million Christians in Saudi Arabia deserve their FIRST church" does not need big logistics and huge finances. The whole Ground zero mosque debate and movement against it was initiated by just two people with very, very limited resources. Robert Spencer (www.JihadWatch.org) and Pamela Geller (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com) were active and persistent for several months on their blogs and and several town halls. That payed off, and the whole country was informed and alarmed. A snow ball effect followed and the big media got involved.

"2 million Christians in Saudi Arabia deserve their FIRST church" need's to be started. Few motivated individuals can be a good start. Saudi Arabian and Pakistani Christians deserve our efforts. Today, in 2010, they are killed and persecuted only because they are believers and followers of Jesus.

3. The Saudi AMBASSADOR gave a standing ovation to Obama's speech supporting the Ground Zero Mosque. He clapped and clapped for "religious tolerance." Perhaps using the imagery of the Ambassador on his feet for Obama's speech could be a part of the campaign. Furthermore we could make / use the LONG list of Saudi mosques built abroad (outside of Saudi). Also, if a Bible is found in a luggage on Saudi airport, there is a risk of prison sentence.

So, let's move the "RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE" debate into their corner. What about the churches and synagogues and buddhist shrines in the Middle East, North Africa and Indonesia: they are few in number and have numerous trouble and pressures on them.

4. After "victory" and irritation, THE MAIN AIM of the Ground Zero Mosque and the Tennessee mosques is to limit the international outreach of the American Christian missionaries. At the moment, the American missionaries are present abroad, including the muslim countries.

If the jihadis succeed to open many mosques and bring hundreds and thousands of muslim missionaries in America, then the Christian organizations in the US will limit their operations and resources overseas, and dedicate their time, money and energy on the "home front", back in the USA. That will mean less Christian missionaries in the Middle East, North Africa and Indonesia. (ie: If we have 50 Dearborn, Michigans in the USA people will start to realize they need to work / guard the home turf).

Don't underestimate the will and resolve of Islamic fundamentalists:

- Nine years after 9 / 11 they have all the paper work and place to build next to the Ground zero in NYC.
- They've build their first mosque in Murfreesboro TN in 1997. After only 13 years, they want to build a mega - mosque and Islamic center in the heartland of Evangelical America and throughout the Bible belt.
- Just look at Europe. Thousands of mosques are build everywhere, including the countries that were bastions of Christianity (England, Netherlands, Italy, France, Sweden, Germany, Norway etc.). This was unthinkable in 1975. Only after 35 years the situation is very, very different. Moreover, the "muslim vote" sometimes decides national elections, and often hundreds of local elections (mayors and city councils) are decided or overtaken by the "muslim vote".

All this happened only within 35 years. This in just a blink, just a second in the lifetime of a nation. Yes, Evangelical America is different than Europe and its postmodern atheism, but it is a clear warning how Christian lands are gradually islamized. Just look the status, human rights and persecution of Christians in any muslim country. Most of these countries were Christian (Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Egypt, Morocco, Lebanon, Turkey, Bosnia, Kosovo, Tunisia, Libya etc).

The penetration of the Islamic fundamentalism in the US follows similar pattern like Europe in the 70's, 80's and 90's. They use the naiveness of the present Obama administration, it's policy of appeasement and bowing to the Saudi king. The Islamic fundamentalists in Dearborn (MI) already can impose their agenda, they progress well in NY and LA, and now the same early phase of building Islamic structures will follow in Tennessee, Georgia, Kentucky, Texas, Florida, South Carolina, Colorado, Arizona...

5. We need to play on offense. We need to expose the muslim hypocrisy. We should not limit ourselves too much to the "NO" agenda. Let's make them play defense.

6. We need to have our CAUSE and CAUSES. So, when the Saudi king or some Middle Eastern tyrant visits some Western country, there should be demonstrations for HUMAN RIGHTS, especially for the Christians and other persecuted religious minorities.

Often, a CAUSE comes s a consequence of injustice. The injustices and discrimination against Christians in muslim lands are real and are happening EVERY day. In Saudi Arabia, Iran or Pakistan there is an open terror and persecution of Christians. We need to do something about that. Please, please spent 10 minutes googling the acts of violence against Christians in muslim countries and the status of Christians in Saudi Arabia. Everyone can draw the conclusions and will feel the sense of urgency to something about the Christians in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere.

So, let's launch our own cause and causes. Let's make them play defense.

7. Once again, we need to tackle the global muslim - left agenda. It's enough of their "Palestine issues", flotillas, riots over cartoons, offended cry - babies, "islamophobia"... In the last decade, the global Left - Islamic coalition was persistent in their protests and voicing their positions. Even with only 50 or 100 protestors they were getting 2 minutes in the evening news throughout the world. It's time for our own causes and to show that continiously on the streets.

The Islamists have a global agenda and global strategy. We need a global agenda and global strategy, too. When there is a debate about "religious tolerance" in the US, let's not just talk about the US. Let's talk about saudi Arabia, too. This is a GLOBAL debate and we should raise the questions about the Christians and other minorities in the muslim countries. It is a question of reciprocity, a two way process. Islamists platform is that what is Christian is Christian and muslim, and what is muslim is only muslim. They have a right to built mosques in Rome (Italy) or Tennessee, but we can't built in Arabian peninsula. They can preach Islam everywhere and sent muslim missionaries everywhere, but they impose Sharia, including a death sentence for preaching Christianity or leaving Islam. Let's inform the world about that. Let's protest against that.

8. This may bring the Evangelical America on board, and may give many other appereances on Fox News and other big media. My hope would be that this could be a means of opening a WORLD - WIDE debate about the status of Christian, Hindu, Buddhist and other minorities under Sharia law and their rights in the muslim countries.

9. We need to mark our calenders for September 23 - 30. The annual session of the UN will take place in New York. All presidents and prime ministers (AND MEDIA) will be there. It will be a great chance to have some protests:

http://www.un.org/ga/65/index.shtml

"Stop the Saudi persecution: 2 million Christians in Saudi Arabia deserve their FIRST church". "Stop the islamic violence against Christian COPTS in Egypt". "Why the Bible is forbidden in Iran?".

Lets try to involve the Evangelicals and all other interested parties. There's enough of them in the NY / NJ / Rhode Island area for a decent, well attended protest in front of the UN. Also, there should be protests in front of other Saudi offices in the US in NY, DC, Houston, LA... You have the link of their offices in the US:

http://www.traveldocs.com/sa/embassy.htm

We need to provoke a recorded statement by any Saudi official denying the right for churches in Saudi Arabia or conversion to Christianity in Egypt, and to play that on air everywhere. A big debate will follow.

10. Dozens mosques (or hundreds?) in the US were financed by Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Malaysia... Ask the imams, muftis and the muslim boards in the US to sign petitions and publicly demand churches for the Christians in the Middle East, especially in Saudi Arabia. Ask them to publicly condemn the Saudi king and their laws, state ministries and Government.

Please watch the 9-minute must see video about the many mosques built in the American Bible belt, including the both coasts. It is on the home page, under the title "Mosque Controversy".

http://www.pjtn.org/

Let's have this campaign. Only one, two or more dedicated individuals can start all this. This is possible only in America can do this. Greetings from Europe. May God bless you all.

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US MILITARY DESTROYED BIBLES MEANT FOR FUTURE AFGHAN CONVERTS.......

Hey, when it's Christian Bibles, it's OK to burn them! The brouhaha over US military members who were given Bibles to hand out to potential Christian converts in Afghanistan, erupted over a year ago, after a story in al-Jizz was released showing US soldiers praying and talking about conversions of Afghanis.
The reaction was swift, the military confiscated them all and had them burnt, and imagine that, Christians weren't seen rioting in the streets demanding the guilty parties to be beheaded. So now a pastor wants to do the same, and the military, (read = Gen.Petraeus) cries foul. KGS

http://tundratabloid.blogspot.com/2010/09/flashback-us-military-destroyed-bibles.html

How not to get your butts blown off a/o up at any anti-mosque demonstration, or any 9/11 commemoration:

http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2010/06/read-hereabout-boeing-guards-who-somehow-let-twelve-or-was-it-fourteen-handguns-be-stolen-from-a-storage-locker-at-the-he.html#tp

More hate is happening in this world, then you have a pastor wanting to burn the Quoran.
http://www.newsbeats.net/showthread.php?5192-Pastor-wants-to-burn-Quoran
There are New Yorkers who support the building of the mosque some are victims from the 911 attacks.

How I wish the CNN broadcasts this message of Mr.Narain Kataria in their prime time!Instead,they are broadcasting the evil Imam's adamant decision to go on with the ground zero mosque to night. What a shame.

What I appreciate about Narain Kataria is his sincerity. He is not spreading hate or attempting to induce fear, he is sincerely expressing what he knows to be true of the Islamic machine.

From time to time I have to put myself in check to be sure I am not jumping on a ban-wagon of intolerance. I am afraid of Islam taking over my world.

When I was in college, I came in contact with many Muslims and thought nothing of it, to each his own. I went to Egypt in 2004 and my eyes truly opened to Islam. Egypt where they supposedly love us... yeah right! They were only nice when they wanted my money and the women were awful to me.

I am a woman who loves independence and the more Islam I see in my community.... the more important I feel it is to be sure we do not let them get a footing in this country.

Seeing videos like this and keeping up on current world events reassures me I am not throwing the threat out of proportion.

What a lovely man.I wonder how these videos could get to a wider audience?This truth must get out.Once again thankyou!!

Narain Kataria knows of what he speaks, he has been there,he has witnessed the horror of 1947 Pakistan and India and the never ending battles in Kashmir, he will not allow himself to be mislead by practitioners of taquiya, and kitman that Iman Rauf has mastered over the dhimmis of our great country.

He could sit comfortably and idly by but he clearly demonstrated his powerful concerns for the America,for unity among Hindus,and for support of Israel, and the love he has for 40 years in America.

Thank You and God Bless you Narain Kataria for speaking truth to power on this most serious issue of Islamic hegemony that threatens this great Democracy everyday in the halls of government and our Universities .

Starting at 7:38 of part one,

"Since 9/11/2001 the followers of the so called, Religion of Peace, have killed over 75,000 people."

Filip, thank you for your input. I echo traeh's praise of your insight and model for bringing awareness.

Mr. Narain Kataria is a new source of pride for me today! A credit to America, India, and Hinduism.

Narain Kataria has been a BJP leader for forty years

H'mm. He ends on a weak note. After saying all that, he says Muslims should just put the mosque elsewhere. What then? It will only make a tiny bit of difference, and if Americans then breathe a sigh of relief and think they have won a big battle, the Muslims will continue with their long-term strategy. What he said altogether amounted to a frightening scenario which cannot be curtailed by a simple temporary backdown. Much more action is needed.

Narain Kataria is a courageous man and it's good to hear somebody standing up to be counted. I hope he has a long and healthy life - God bless him. Well said, Greg Swanson -he makes all of us proud.

Compact9797 - I wonder why you choose to make the point that some of the survivors of 9/11 are in agreement with the mosque, other than to attempt to say the rest of us who are against it, including this wonderful Hindu gentleman, are wrong. I would say that those survivors who support it are woefully misguided, as you are. Stopping Islamification is not simply crying for an end to violence, it's actually getting up and speaking out against the cruelty, bigotry and hatred of Islam. You, Compact9797, come across as a dyed in the wool appeaser. I assume you support the building of the mosque. If so, it's a decision which will not only drastically affect your freedoms, but everybody else's too. Think about it - or maybe you just don't care?

Narain Kataria is a courageous man and it's good to hear somebody standing up to be counted. I hope he has a long and healthy life - God bless him. Well said, Greg Swanson -he makes all of us proud.

Compact9797 - I wonder why you choose to make the point that some of the survivors of 9/11 are in agreement with the mosque, other than to attempt to say the rest of us who are against it, including this wonderful Hindu gentleman, are wrong. I would say that those survivors who support it are woefully misguided, as you are. Stopping Islamification is not simply crying for an end to violence, it's actually getting up and speaking out against the cruelty, bigotry and hatred of Islam. You, Compact9797, come across as a dyed in the wool appeaser. I assume you support the building of the mosque. If so, it's a decision which will not only drastically affect your freedoms, but everybody else's too. Think about it - or maybe you just don't care?

Narain Kataria is very precise & honest to expose the violent political Islam.

Narain Kataria should have an interview with Shawn Hannity (he is a very brave & honest man) with Fox to expose Islam to USA & the world.

Thanks to Mr: Kataria for his courage in exposing the true nature and the danger of Islam. One can only hope that other Americans will follow suit.

From the evidence of its history of violence and destruction, Islam is not a divine religion, as some short sighted sources want us to believe. It is a hate based organization exactly same as the Nazi or the Ku Klux Klan. Their main goal is destruction of peace and the civilized world. While other predatory religions are in the process of being open, tolerant and civilized; Islam is stuck in its mediaeval, uncivilized ways because if its insensitivity toward women and murder of dissenters.

To fuel this insanity they have oil money and barbaric unity-in-destruction, which in turn has corrupted world politics.

Those who claim to be moderate Islamites should have the courage to walk away from this mad “religion” called Islam and identify themselves with Sufis or with a similar divine sect, if exists with in Islam at all.

The only hope for the Muslims and the world is to reinforce Sufism as a substitute for the current madness called Islam. In the absence of this, we will witness a major nuclear war in the near future!

There is no such thing as moderate Islamite. Islam allows murder, torture and terrorism in the name of God!

One-world-citizen

If Islam is a Tolerant Religion Why ...1Are most Islamic countries at least 90% Muslim? 2.Are Islam's holy cities (Mecca and Medina) open only to Muslims? 3.Are many muslim nations committed to destroying the state of Israel? 4Was India divided into Hindu and Muslim nations upon it's independence in 1947? 5.Don't Islamic nations encourage other religions to build thier structures in their countries? (I.E. a Church in Teheran?) 6.Is Leaving the faith a death sentence? 7.Do Muslim groups make death threats against people who print cartoons making fun of Muhammed? 8.Don't Muslims condemn the burning of bibles?

For Islam and the world to survive, Islam needs to be moderate.

Christianity, which started out as an intolerant, predatory religion, has made progress in modern times, in being more tolerant and civilized. However, it can set an example in moderation to both Islam and Judaism, by accepting that all paths lead to ONE GOD as long as the path is based on love, compassion and mutual respect.

Perhaps this openness should start with the well-organized Catholic religion, with a statement by the pope, to stop overt and covert religious conversion in countries all over the world.

Intolerance, provincialism and localism are inconsistent with the modern world.

= One world citizen.