Baghdad church attack: Jihadists "came into the prayer hall and immediately killed the priest" when gov't forces stormed building

Again: Contrasting ideals of martyrdom on stark display, as several attackers subsequently detonated suicide vests.

Those ideals have clear and far-reaching implications for the character of their respective cultures, societies, and civilizations, where giving one's life for what is believed to be a noble cause is a supreme form of sacrifice and personal attainment. Many priorities fall into line from there, for better, or much, much worse.

And of course, nothing says "peace" and "tolerance" quite like barging into a Mass and later shooting the priest in cold blood. "Baghdad church hostage drama ends in bloodbath," from BBC News, November 1 (thanks to Lokar):

The BBC's Jim Muir in Baghdad says that the full death toll remains unclear
More than 30 people have been killed as Iraqi security forces stormed a Catholic church in central Baghdad to free dozens of hostages being held by gunmen there, security sources say.
Seven members of the Iraqi security forces and at least five attackers were among the dead but officials said most hostages were rescued.
About 100 people had been inside Our Lady of Salvation for an evening Mass.
The gunmen had reportedly demanded the release of jailed al-Qaeda militants.
The local TV station, al-Baghdadiya, said it had received a phone call from someone claiming to be one of the attackers, who said they were from the Islamic State of Iraq, a Sunni militant umbrella group to which al-Qaeda in Iraq belongs.
Reports said the attackers were not Iraqis, but foreign Arabs.
The raid came two days after a suicide attack on a cafe in Diyala province left 21 people dead.
'Priest killed'
Residents of Baghdad's Karada district, where the attack took place, first heard a loud explosion at about 1700 (1400 GMT), followed by gunfire.
Police said a group of armed men began by attacking the Iraq Stock Exchange building, and then took over the Catholic church just across the road, clashing with guards and killing some of them.
Security forces later surrounded the church and sealed off the area, with helicopters hovering overhead. Then they stormed the building.
Witnesses nearby said they then heard two explosions from inside the church and more shooting.
One eyewitness, who was inside the church, was quoted by the AFP news agency as saying that the gunmen "came into the prayer hall and immediately killed the priest".
The witness, who declined to give his name, said the people in the church had huddled into the main prayer hall when the gunbattles began with the security forces.
The gunmen reportedly threw grenades and blew their suicide vests....
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Can you imagine the headlines all around the world if an Imam had been killed in cold blood inside a mosque by Christian gunmen?
We'd never hear the end of it. Crime of the century. Peaceful Islam under attack. Etc...

But, of course, the raufs and aslans will say that 'It's not Islam' to murder Christian priests. Nothing to do with Islam.

Oh yes it is! "Slay the infidels wherever you may find them".
'Wherever' includes their holy places, too.


And to think that recently mideast Christian just attempted dhimmitude in the hope for peace. This will wake 'em up

When will the Free World learn that they are and have been under a full press attack by a nameless, shifting, morphing enemy that is quite prepared to down airliners, poison our food chain, destroy our infrastructure--and the attackers are neither Christian nor Jews?

How many dead must we suffer before we call our government accountable for our losses? Will the current administration and his Congress made up of like thinking lackeys actually DO something? Beyond negotiating I mean.

The day of reckoning is coming beginning election day if we are not too lazy to vote, and to vote out incumbents (in most cases) and vote in people who think as many of us do? I hope to God that people reading this get out and vote.

God forbid we call up the Rangers from the Green Zone to assist in the rescue of, of...Christians!!!.

http://newstime.co.nz/die-to-live.html
Al Mukalla Sterben um zu leben (die to live)

German nasheed with English subtitle
fatwa No. 1153 Word 27 KB

Suicide Bombing (Martyrdom)

Well, maybe if the heads of church will keep blaming the jews some more the muslims will stop slaughtering them.
Yeah, that should work...

http://newstime.co.nz/coptic-christians-protest-at-egyptian-consulat-new-york.html
Video: Nun Hatune and her Social Aid in Iraq
Iraqi Christian refugees, "Only out of this madness"

I agree completely.

The lib MSM whipping up the 'outrage'. The Arab media talking of yet more Western 'assault on Islam'. The demo's, killing and torching of Embassies.

And worst of all, our 'politicians'capitulating to the fake narrative of provocation, insult, religious sensitivities and western imperialism.

Meanwhile as this is a Christian Church, who cares? Certainly not the dhimmi MSM who studiously look the other way.

Descartes famously said 'if a tree falls in a forest and no one hear's, did it really fall'?

In the case of 'the religion of the perpetually outraged' all it takes is a twig for the repercussion to reverberate around the world. As far as Christianity is concerned it could be the whole forest with not one reactive blink.

And thus the West implodes, not with a bang but the wimper of politically correct cowardice.

Will the pro-Hamas flotillas now be diverted to help the Christian victims of Islamic jihad in Iraq?

Tally 52 so far...

Maybe Whoppy Goldberg and Joyous Behar can explain this while storming off the stage...Of course it is just the 'extremists' that do these sorts of things...What they can't explain is why it seems there are so many of them...The 'minute minority' slogan is wearing thin...

And they get upset when someone draws a cartoon, what is wrong with those people, they ceased making any sort of sense years ago but they don't seem to have stopped developing their savagery to increasingly higher levels.

Very sad - the tragedy of Islamic fanaticism again. Ali Sina writes that Muhammad was insane and that people devoted to insane people become insane themselves. I think that's true. How many millions of dangerously insane Muhammad devotees are running around? I don't think it's such a tiny minority.

Western governments must wake up to the need to restrict severely Muslim immigration, which requires that the non-Muslim populations of the West understand Islam's jihad nature, which learning is a slow process with hate speech laws and the abdication of responsibility of the mainstream media to inform. The jihadists depend on the cowardice of the Western MSM to pin the blame on Islam itself.

An Islamic umbrella group that includes al Qaeda claimed attack on "nest of polytheism".

WOW, 52 PEOPLE, KILLED. Christians and all "polythesists" are under attack throughout the Muslim world today.

Religion of Peace my ass.

They are in fact, insane. and we are insane for continuing to tolerate them. 1,400 years of inbreeding has damaged their gene pool to the point where they have physical and mental defects. As long as we allow them to vent their rage on the rest of the non-muslim world more of this is what we can expect. It's always been common practice in Saudi Arabia to marry one's first cousin. Why do they do that? Because they don't know any better.

The West has been lulled into stupidity. The bishops who "met" in Rome recently, those actually from the Middle East, know the situation. Yet they also know their place. If/When someone expounds the theory that the massacre at O.L. of Salvation was part of a world-wide Jewish plot, these bishops and many of their faithful will subscribe to the theory.
That so-called synod, by some of its statements, shows how leaders can knowingly subscribe to a lie, repeat it and confirm it in order to enhance their already pathetic existence.
Christians throughout the region are in mortal peril, but because of their hapless complicity, their status only worsens. Meanwhile the holy prelates gather to discuss the "problem" of those many of the faithful who are smart enough to get out. And, blaming the Jews, they seek to find ways to keep their spiritual sons and daughters in the confines of the madhouse that is Dar al Islam.
As for the native Christians of "Palestine" why do they blame the Jews? Look at Bethlehem & Ramallah, once overwhelmingly Christian towns, now with a decisive Muslim majority. Who the hell pushed you out? Who are living in your houses, desecrating your churches, squatting on your land? Jews? Israelis?
It really is maddening.

The real problem we face is perhaps lack of knowledge and apathy.
The BBC has reported on this in 4 terse sentences only and about number 4 in the news.
The Daily Telegraph, a "quality newspaper" goes into rather more detail in the following article.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/8101398/Baghdad-church-hostage-drama-death-toll-hits-52.html

The article was updated at 7:00 GMT. As I write it is 14:06 GMT. So far there are only 21 comments and fewer posters. Please post in numbers.

I've said before , and I say again,until the whole issue reaches the tabloid MSM nothing much will happen.
For example here in the UK my ONLY knowledge of what went on in Amsterdam at the weekend is via the blogosphere.
I happen to have many intelligent middle-class relatives who are clearly aware of the dangers of Islam and its murderous intent but the masses (apologies - not meant in a perjorative way) seem not to know or care. Time they did.

correction . Pejorative

You expect a Jew-hating muslim to DO something against another muslim?

Look, not all middle eastern Christians are blaming Jews for their plight.

With allied troops set to withdraw from Iraq, this will only increase, leaving our government to explain why these Catholics who lived peacefully under Saddam's regime have now been massacred down to a handful.

Had this church, and others like it, been under military protection from the start, we'd be looking at a far different outcome. Unlike mosques, where daily violence is expected (as it has been for centuries) and protection and rebuilding efforts converge, the Catholic and Orthodox Churches have been annihilated in one short decade.

I'm sure our military thought it would look too cozy having western Christian troops protect a church.

The disconnect between the barrage of charges of racism, "unjustifiable" profiling and hate speech emanating almost on a daily basis from the Islamic movement in the west followed by hand wringing, wimpy apologies, reassurances and proclamations in defense of our politically correct, multicultural, morally relativistic acceptance of Islam as "a religion of peace," a policy we bend over frontwards and grab our ankles so as to "prove" our enlightened status to our Muslim "friends" and these acts of maniacal violence perpetrated around the world in the name of Islamic supremacism is simultaneously enraging and incomprehensible.

Where is the international outrage? Where is the long awaited confrontation demanding explanations from the Imams, Mullahs and Muslim Brotherhood front organizations in the West that are so obviously guilty of condoning the violence against all but Islam? When does the leadership in the West get its collective head out of its rear end, rid itself of the sheepskin, awaken the tiger within and confront this madness?

The Imams, Mullahs and Islamic extremists will not cease and desist on their own. The feckless West has unwittingly encouraged them to believe that this is their time. They have no qualms and do not hesitate to believe that all the West has achieved belongs to them and they intend it take it as ordained by Allah through his messenger, Mohammad and aided and abetted by none other than the American President, Obama intent on demonstrating how all that’s been accomplished somehow rests on the “wisdom, brilliance and genius” the West “inherited” or stole from the Arab world.

This ultimately comes down to one simple thing called Euthyphro's Dilemma (by Plato).

You see, most non-Muslims believe that if God exists he is equal to or LESS than morality. Meaning that God doesn't determine morality, but simply demands that humans be moral - such as the Commandments to not murder, kill, steal, etc....

But Muslims, on the other hand, avoid the Dilemma because they believe that God is greater than morality - theologically. Therefore, right and wrong in the Muslim mind is up to God and they don't believe God has to be consistent because like with anything else, God determines what is consistent to. This is why some Muslims see no problem in killing non-Muslims, because they believe God is above morality. But most Christians would not worship a God who says it is OK to kill the non-believer because they place morality above God.

Now, this might get me some boos from you guys, but philosophically speaking, Islam's response to the Dilemma is actually more logical - in that if God exists, morality must come from God.

This is why I ultimately choose secular humanism above religion because I believe rape is wrong regardless of what says. But the God-fearing of the world ultimately believe morality is as it is simply because of God's order.

The West has been stupid for almost 50 years, starting with those drug-addled peacenick hippie dopeheads who passed for students in the 1960s, who are nowadays the people of influence in the West. Gone are the Winston Churchills' William Gladstones' and John Quincy Adams's, and heaven forbid that an Archbishop or Rabbi would quote the Methodist preacher John Wesley or Bishop Fulton J Sheen. Political correctness rules, much to our detriment and on present trends it will take the best part of 100 years to strip it from the system. But we haven't got 100 years and probably not even 20 years. Stupidity is bred into most Westerners, from our dumbed down education system, press and media. The typical Westerner knows no more about Islam than the average housebrick, and that includes every leader elected after Churchill - so incredible given the fact that Muslims spent almost 1,100 years trying to destroy the Western world from 629 AD until 1700 AD, when we finally started beating them decisively, but since the 1960s, the Jihad has reared its ugly head and they now believe they can succeed where they had failed over 300 years ago. And it is this branding as bigots and racists (what race is Islam again for the millionth time?) which has enabled the Jihasd to gain the sort of ground it could never have imagined 50 years ago. 9/11 should have taught the brain-dead masses a massive lesson about Islam, but they didn't want to know. There is bliss in ignorance, and, unfortunately, suicide as well.

The West has been stupid for almost 50 years, starting with those drug-addled peacenick hippie dopeheads who passed for students in the 1960s, who are nowadays the people of influence in the West. Gone are the Winston Churchills' William Gladstones' and John Quincy Adams's, and heaven forbid that an Archbishop or Rabbi would quote the Methodist preacher John Wesley or Bishop Fulton J Sheen. Political correctness rules, much to our detriment and on present trends it will take the best part of 100 years to strip it from the system. But we haven't got 100 years and probably not even 20 years. Stupidity is bred into most Westerners, from our dumbed down education system, press and media. The typical Westerner knows no more about Islam than the average housebrick, and that includes every leader elected after Churchill - so incredible given the fact that Muslims spent almost 1,100 years trying to destroy the Western world from 629 AD until 1700 AD, when we finally started beating them decisively, but since the 1960s, the Jihad has reared its ugly head and they now believe they can succeed where they had failed over 300 years ago. And it is this branding as bigots and racists (what race is Islam again for the millionth time?) which has enabled the Jihad to gain the sort of ground it could never have imagined 50 years ago. 9/11 should have taught the brain-dead masses a massive lesson about Islam, but they didn't want to know. There is bliss in ignorance, and, unfortunately, suicide as well.

Have no fear. The 'moderate' Muslims around the world will be demonstrating in their millions, protesting over this terrible treatment of their Christian brethern.

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