Campbell's Soup goes halal with approval from Hamas-linked ISNA

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ISNA has admitted ties to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. So why is Campbell's Soup rushing to do its bidding? "M-M-Muslim Brotherhood Good?," from Scaramouche, October 5 (thanks to Kathy Shaidle):

Campbell's Soup Canada is about to go halal.

No biggie, right? Wrong. It is doing so under the auspices of the Islamic Society of North America, a Wahhabi-funded racket that is said to have ties to the Muslim Brotherhood....

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I don't like what I read at that link. I don't like that smarmy "commitment to diversity" which means support, direct and indirect, to those who are adherents of a Total Belief-System that is unalterably dead-set on altering the legal and political institutions, and social arrangements and understandings, of those Infidels among whom they have been allowed naively to settle, deep behind what Muslims themselves are taught to regard as enemy lines, the lines of Dar al-Harb. I won't ever again be buying anything made by Campbell's, and I will urge others not to, and to extend their private boycott to other goods owned by whatever company owns Campbell's. It's not much, but it's something. It's a protest. If enough people feel the same way, someone might reconsider this link with the Islamic Society of North American. Or not. It's their choice.

Muslims are winning a small victory after another victory in their efforts to impose all aspects of Islam in the North America as well as in all of remaining non-Musim world.The more non-Muslims rush to accommodate their demands,the quicker the Islamization process of the world will be !

From the Campbells website,


•In the coming months, all our Halal-certified products will have the ISNA logo directly on their labels, so you can easily identify them at your grocery store.

Hugh, I don't like what I see there either, it goes without saying there will be no more of their products in my Christian home!

Very Simple. Boycott Boycott and boycott.

Their phone number,


At Campbell Canada, we take great care to ensure that these products are and remain Halal and have an on-going certification agreement with ISNA. If you have questions about Campbell Halal-certified Products please call the Campbell's Consumer Response Center at 1-800-410-7687.

Well, they just lost my bussiness, and I used their contact form to tell them that.

Hi!

I just called the 1-800-410-7687 number and I told them that I DO NOT WANT HALAL SOUP AND I SAID THAT IF I SEE THAT WORD ON A CAN OF CAMPBELL SOUP, I AM NOT GOING TO BUY IT!!!!. A guy named Wayne took my call and said he was going to send my comments to Campbell.
You should all call and say you are going to boycott Campbell Soup!!!!

Boycott all this stuff. Write & tell them so.

http://www.campbellsoup.ca/en/talk/contact.asp
http://www.campbellsoupcompany.com/Feedback.aspx

Campbell products & brands:

Pace Foods: A popular line of salsas, acquired by Campbell in 1995

Pepperidge Farm: A brand of homemade-style cookies and snack crackers, such as Goldfish crackers. Pepperidge Farm also markets gourmet cookies, breads, croutons, and stuffing.

Prego: Pasta Sauces

Swanson Broth

V8 Vegetable Juice
V8 Splash Juice Drinks
V8 V.Fusion

Arnott's Biscuits Holdings, Australia's largest supplier of biscuits and second largest supplier of snack foods
Blå Band (Sweden & Finland)

Devos Lemmens (Belgium)

Franco-American

de:Erasco/Heisse Tasse (Germany) - owned by Campbell's since 1996, manufactured in Lübeck

Liebig (France) - Purchased from Groupe Danone in 1997, Liebig is the leading aseptic soup brand in France.

Raguletto

Royco (France & Belgium)

StockPot Soups (Everett WA, USA)

Stock...... Sold as of the opening bell tomorrow.

Letter..... Mailed about ten minutes ago to several contact points at corporate and corporate investor relations.

Items in my kitchen..... In the garbage. I won't even donate it.

Other brands Campbell's owns.......

US/Canada
Pace (salsa).
Pepperidge Farm (baked goods).
Prego (spaghetti sauces).
Swanson (stocks, broth and seasonings).
V-8 (juices).

Asia
Arnott's (baked goods).

Europe
Bia (soups).
Devos Lemmens (sauces).
Erasco (soups).
LaCroix (soups and sauces).
Liebig (soups).
Royco (soups).
Touch Of Taste (boullions).

Indeed. Boycott, and be very vocal about the reasons why.

According to Wikipedia, the halal method of slaughter is called Thabiha or Dhabiha (Arabic: ذبيحة‎). It is

"...the prescribed method of ritual slaughter of all animals excluding fish and most sea-life per Islamic law. This method of slaughtering animals consists of a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides but leaving the spinal cord intact."

Where are PETA and FDA on this? Aren't there regulations that define and prohibit such procedures as constituting unnecessary cruelty to animals?

Called and protested. Will not buy their products any more. Can't imagine eating halal slaughtered food that has been offered to or "blessed by" a foreign God - makes my stomach turn. This is wrong on so many levels.
Remebering the article about the halal food in the UK - and people didn't know that it was halal.
Campbells doesn't make anything that I can't make on my own. And, the USDA has great recipes for powdered "cream" soups, etc. The lost "convenience" can be "offered up" (to use a Catholic term).

Called & emailed them, will also inform family, friends, and coworkers. Boycott.

On our way to the rally in Berlin we passed by a Vietnamese snackbar. There was a writing on the window: New, halal. Islam is conquering Europe.

Who needs Campbells foods and soups. There are plenty of better brands out there.

To: http://www.campbellsoupcompany.com/Feedback.aspx

If you continue your association with ISNA or any Muslim Brotherhood-linked or sharia-promoting entity, or pursue this "halal" certification, I will stop purchasing your products.

"In the coming months, all our Halal-certified products will have the ISNA logo directly on their labels, so you can easily identify them at your grocery store....For more information on... Halal Certification Program, please visit the Islamic Society of North America website."

This is NOT a good move. Being sharia-compliant is a capitulation to islam, whose ultimate goal is to replace man-made law with "divine" sharia. Do not contribute to your own cultural suicide. No amount of money is worth the loss of human liberty. Please reconsider.

No more Chunky Soup. I'll miss the Clam Chowder, but then again, I can do without the massive infusion of sodium.

Send them a line. They are glad to hear from you:

http://www.campbellsoup.ca/en/talk/contact.asp

To Briars

Beside calling, I sent them also an email. Thanks Briars!

I'm really torn on a boycott of Campbell's subsidiary products. I understand that they are making it easier for adherents of a proven life threatening ideology to feed themselves, but for me, there is no substitute for some of these products. I'm trying to manage a proven life threatening disease, some of their products are staples in my household from an availability, convenience and enjoyment prospective. I can't have toast or bickies with tea anymore, I can't and won't give up my Pace or Swanson's broth.

However, in solidarity, I can spray the halal designated cans with l'eau de jambon.

Thanks for the link, Briars.

A protest E mail has been sent.

Oopps !
I meant to respond to Briars - sorry Isabella !

I prefer Progresso soups. Campbell's executives should read the Qur'an.

I have just sent a message to Campbell`s via their comments link telling them they will never find one of their products in my shopping cart again because of this.

There are substitute brands that run the whole gamut of prices.

Or, invest in a slow cooker, and throw in all the haram goodies you like. I recommend it.

That goes for me too, and anybody else I can talk into it!

Hugh,
Well this is hideous – one little drop at a time it seems. Campbell is not a small company and when the corporate officers decided to offer these new products, they must have spent a good deal of time and money first. How much market share do they hope to gain?
I suppose that it may be a question of gaining market share from the existing muslim consumer rather than creating a new market or chasing a newly discovered, untapped group of muslim consumers. In any case, it’s a distinction without a difference where public relations are concerned and a loud boycott could be a PR disaster for them.
I’m not an investigative reporter (or a reporter at all); but it would interesting to know who the largest individual share holders of Campbell’s are and how many shares, if any, are owned by Saudis. Most of all, it would be very good to know how Campbell came to the decision it did.

Done. Thanks for the Form link. Sent a complaint.

And yeah Progresso soups are superior anyway.

It gives the adage SOUP to NUTS a whole new meaning.

US/Canada
Pace (salsa).
Pepperidge Farm (baked goods).
Prego (spaghetti sauces).
Swanson (stocks, broth and seasonings).
V-8 (juices).

I don't eat any of those, or canned food in general...

Campbells may manufacture, but it the local store managers who order...Most of them do not know the implications of halal or how informed shoppers might react if they knew.
If halal foods appear here I will talk directly to the store managers...

Please watch the BROOKLYN TEA PARTY take on the Voorhies mosque! The video shows we're NOT RACIST, we're CULTURIST!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-tGZXybJ00

Thanks!

Well, my own personal boycott of Campbell products has begun. Oh yeah, anyone know if any Israeli company cans soup, sells it abroad, and, if so, where I can get it? Would like to do my bit to act upon the bumper sticker message my Italian-American Catholic plumber has on the back of his work van. It reads: "Fight terrorism. Support Israel."

Down with Campbell's. Up with the forces of freedom that fight tyranny and dhimmihood. Would particularly relish some fine matzo ball soup made in the free and democratic Jewish state which multitudes of Muslims and leftists in the West despise so much.

Thanks for the link, dropped them a line and told them why I won't be buying anything Campbell's from now on.

IS THE NEW, HALAL, CAMPBELL'S SOUP COMPANY AGAINST WOMEN? A STANDARD ISLAMIC LEGAL MANUAL SAYS A FEMALE RULER IS NOT HALAL. WHY? BECAUSE OF STATEMENTS FROM MUHAMMAD:

For example, in Sahih Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection:

Volume 9, Book 88, Number 219:

Narrated Abu Bakra:
During the battle of Al-Jamal, Allah benefited me with a Word (I heard from the Prophet). When the Prophet heard the news that the people of Persia had made the daughter of Khosrau their Queen (ruler), he said, "Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their ruler."

For Islamic law's prohibition of female rulers, see page 641 of The Reliance of the Traveller/Umdat Al-Salik, a standard Islamic legal reference certified by Al-Azhar, the chief center of Islamic and Arabic learning in the world.

It is one thing to sell halal food.

It another to sell halal food with the collaboration of INSA which has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.

I'll miss the pepperridge farm cookies.

Reza would call me a bigot, but he has narrow blinders on.

WHY IS THE CAMPBELL SOUP COMPANY KOWTOWING TO ISLAMIC LAW?

A standard Islamic legal reference, certified by Al-Azhar, the chief center of Islamic and Arabic learning in the world, not only says one can kill one's children or grandchildren with relative impunity; impunity also extends to a Muslim who kills a non-Muslim, and to non-Muslims who kill apostates from Islam:

From page 583-584 of The Reliance of the Traveller/Umdat Al-Salik:

o1.2 The following are not subject to retaliation:
1. a child or insane person, under any circumstances...

2. a Muslim for killing a non-Muslim;

3. a Jewish or Christian subject of the Islamic state for killing an apostate from Islam...

4. a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring's offspring;

From the back cover of Reliance of the Traveller:

"There is no doubt that this translation is a valuable and important work, whether as a textbook for teaching Islamic jurisprudence to English speakers, or as a legal reference for use by scholars, educated laymen, and students in this language."
- Dr. Taha Jabir al-Alwani, president of the International Institute of Islamic Thought
The back cover also says the book
...is the first translation of a standard Islamic legal reference in a European language to be certified by Al-Azhar, the Muslim world's oldest institution of higher learning. It presents an explanative interpretation of Umdat al-Salik, a classic Sunni manual of Sacred law...

You are right. The tea party in Brooklyn is not racist. It is doing its part to fight against the leftist political corectness, which will take away our rights if we let them.

WHY IS CAMPBELL SOUP COMPANY KOWTOWING TO ISLAMIC LAW, PART II:

A standard Islamic legal reference, certified by Al-Azhar, the chief center of Islamic and Arabic learning in the world, supports extreme discrimination against non-Muslims and women:

From page 590 of The Reliance of the Traveller/Umdat Al-Salik:

The indemnity [compensation for damages] for the death or injury of a woman is one-half the indemnity paid for a man.

The indemnity for a Jew or a Christian is one-third the indemnity paid for a Muslim.

The indemnity for a Zoroastrian [the Persian pre-Islamic religion, to which some Iranians still adhere] is one-fifteenth of that of a Muslim.

Wellington:

Manischewitz is the first Kosher brand that comes to mind, though my local Kosher aisle has a few more goodies in the way of soups. Matzo ball soup is well represented! That one tends to be an instant soup so the matzo ball doesn't fall apart.

In my country, we are not big on soups but we do see some Campbell products. My boycott of Campbell begins NOW and I'll try to convince my friends to do the same. We don't give a crap about halal or anything islamic for that matter.

Have joined you all in sending message to Campbells protesting and that will not buy their products from now on. Also protesting the cruelty of Halal slaughter.
Some clever person might do a Warholian mash-up of the Campbell can: "Islam's Condensed Soup"?

Hakeem, I'm gonna miss those cookies too . lol

But I must admit, I bake better anyway so I'll have to get off my rear and do it myself, not a bad thing anyway.

It would be a good idea for all the good cooks to come up with alternate recipes to replace the Campbell products we have grown dependent on.

I have never purchased the nutritional nightmare that is Campbell's soup, or any of the other products.

I have always found it much easier, tastier, healthier, and cheaper, to make my own soups.

I recommend boycotting the products to those who have purchased them in the past.

Request Israeli-made products such as Osem, Tnuva, etc. They are available in any city with a Jewish population. If unavailable, place a request with your friendly local grocer.

Good news, there is allready a FaceBook page to boycot because of the Halal.


http://www.facebook.com/pages/Boycott-Campbell-Soup/131754940208808?ref=nf&v=wall

You guys are FAST!

"Some clever person might do a Warholian mash-up of the Campbell can: "Islam's Condensed Soup"?"

I too have thought about how Andy might take this news.

Probably think it's fine and be as PC as possible.

Does anyone know how many & what type of jobs this move provides for muslims?

Does the preparation of every product have to be done & tracked by a muslim?

Is it "blessed" (cursed) as well?

What's the deal Hakeem? A few days ago, as I recall, you were an opponent. Now you sound like an ally.

There is talk here of boycotting Campbell's products because of the halal method used to kill the animals used in its products. Some are saying they will switch to kosher meats. Well, you should know there is very little difference between the animal slaughter requirements of Judaism and Islam.

-Islamic and Jewish animal slaughter require the animal be healthy, conscious, and sensible during slaughter. No stunning is allowed.

-Both require cutting the neck/throat of the animal with a non-serrated blade in one clean stroke to sever the jugular vein, carotid artery, and esophagus.

-The Jewish knife must be super-sharp and free of any imperfection. The Islamic knife needs to be sharp enough to cut with one stroke.

-Both require that the spinal cord be avoided during slaughter which would render the animal insensate while dying.

-Both require draining the blood of the animal to cause death.

-Any sane adult Jew who knows the proper technique may slaughter the animal.

-Similarly, Islam requires the slaughter be performed by any sane adult Muslim by following the rules prescribed by Shariah.

Many Americans object to the slaughterhouse methods used in the average US processing plant because it's an ugly process. However, because of organizations like Humane Society and PETA, an attempt is made to stun the animals into unconsciousness before killing. In Islamic and Jewish animal slaughter, there is no such attempt and the conscious state can continue for several minutes as exhibited by flailing limbs, gurgling as the animal inhales and exhales, and blood gushes with every heart beat.

The real objection should not be the Halal method any more than Kosher. Rather, the objection should be the insistence by Muslims that we all must eat halal meat products as all animals must be slaughtered by Islam approved methods. Jews on the other hand, have created processing plants and foods lines specific to their faith without requiring anyone else to follow their rules.

There is a definite attempt at Islamification of the West whereas there was never any attempt at Judification or Christification of any one's dietary customs.

Thanks so much, Marisol, for the info. Much appreciated.

Is it "blessed" (cursed) as well?

Yes and this is my biggest objection. I can not eat food that has been prayed over by these people.

How did The Islamic Society of North America get so much power that they are able to demand and get this?

Cambell's Soup should politely say "No" and that is all there is to it. Westerners need to be aware of Moslem demands and accordingly reject those demands. Enough is enough.

One in four products on American grocery store shelves are given kosher supervision despite Jews being a mere two percent of the population. So, how is it so very unacceptable that muslims seek comparable supervision? Double standard much? We have all paid the minute price of kosher supervision on these products, halal is no different as a business expense.

The "talk" you mentioned was pretty minimal. The vast majority who have already commented on this thread weren't focusing on the method of killing animals. The main, actually the overwhelming reason, any boycott of Campbell's will occur is not because of the method of slaughter, similar though it be to kosher methods, but because Islam represents a mortal threat to Western liberties and Judaism does not. You've seen one tree well but missed the forest.

3. Slaughtermen must be practicing Muslims.

http://www.isnahalal.ca/pdf/HALAL%20PRODUCTION%20GUIDELINES.pdf

Is Campbell's ready to specifically embrace religious discrimination?

Only muslins can be butchers for their products? Are they violating a law?

How much money is Campbell's paying this "organization" in the name of the profiteer mo'ham?

Who was responsible for this decision?

Will Campbell's now comply with ALL sahria law?

The new warhol will be a Campbell's Soup can with a big red circle and diagonal line...
any artists out there?

Wellington, many anti-Semites have argued that kosher food represents the equivalent of a religious tax on all gentiles and that Judaism represents a threat to Western civilization. In their world view, it is clear that the existence of kosher labels on most American products represents a vast Jewish scheme to bilk billions out of American shoppers.

If a private business chooses to seek halal supervision as a BUSINESS expense, it is no different from accommodating halachic concerns for Jews. This happens across a wide spectrum of businesses and chain restaurants, for example, Dunkin Donuts has multiple stores that only serve kosher products in areas where there is a significant Jewish population. However, when a Muslim wanted to do the same thing with his franchise, the readers of Jihad Watch claimed that the sky was falling. And so we see it time and time again with complaints of halal restaurants being opened... I'm willing to bet if I looked back a few decades I would find comparable resistance to kosher labeling on foods.

An opponent of whom?

I am against the PC of the progressives!!

I am tired of seeing people lose their right to free speech and freedom of the press because they cannot critize a religion.

I am tired of violent protests due to Mohammed cartoons, Koran flushed down the toilet, etc.

Where are the protests when 3000 people died on 9/11? When russian schoolchildren were slaughtered? When bombs blew up on Indian train stations? We should not have to search for moderate muslims like Reza Aslam says. We should be able to turn on our TV and see moderates speak out against the hijacking of their religion. We should be able to walk out of our apartments and see moderate muslims protesting against terrorism.
We should read about moderate muslims challenging violent passages in the Koran. Where are they????

You see what happens while we are all sleeping here? They just recently put in an Islamic center in my area. Nobody noticed. Now every single house that comes for sale in my area is bought by muslims. Why? So they can go to Friday prayers. They don't want to pay you for the nice reno's you did or for your pride of ownership. They just want cheap and a second suite so they can rent it out to pay for the mortgage. They have way too many people living in the house. Don't maintain the property or cut the grass. They are desert people and I guess this pride of ownership thing doesn't compute.
The muslim children do not play with my kids. Most women are wearing ninja costumes. Most of the muslim women are pushing strollers with several kids in tow, even the ones that seem too old to be having children (anchor babies). Halal shops are popping up, even the local pizza joint and Boston pizza have gone halal. The major grocery chains carry halal. I used to bring my childrens sports teams to Boston Pizza between games, no more. I used to order pizza from the local pizza place, no more. I used to buy Campbells soups, no more. I still shop at the local grocery store, every time I shop there I take several pork products and accidently put them back in the cooler on top of the halal meat. Perhaps muslims will complain to the manager and perhaps the grocery store will decide it isn't worth the hassle to carry halal. Perhaps Boston Pizza will lose enough business to stop offering halal. What would be the next for Boston Pizza, stop serving beer and ribs? Then get rid of the big TV's showing sports and show behedings instead. Oh, and the wait staff would most certainly have to cover themselves from head to toe right? Sounds like fun, can't wait for that to happen.
Why can't we start a lobby/consumer group, all non muslims and non leftards? We have way more of a say than they do. So who has some ideas? We would be comprised of Christian, Atheist, Jew, Hindu,
Sikh etc. When we speak businesses and government listen. We boycott your business, you go out of business. We don't vote for you, you are out of a job. Why can't we do this???

Because Jews aren't purposely blowing up inncoent people around the world and trying the fly the jewish flag over every country.

If moderate muslims were the front page of every story about islam, then perhaps no one would have a problem. But the extreme element is always getting the headlines and the moderates do not raise their voices loud enough.

"Because Jews aren't purposely blowing up inncoent people around the world and trying the fly the jewish flag over every country."

In regard to the purposely blowing up innocent people bit, I say nonsense. The creation of the state of Israel is partially mired in a terrorist movement that did, in fact, carry out assassinations, kidnappings and bombings. Just because they were ultimately the victors does not negate the role their sense of nationalism and RELIGIOUSLY mandated claim to a chunk of a land (a new manifest destiny) had in a not so distant past. Let's say that they failed to resurrect a nation which hadn't existed in over 2,000 years based on promises laid down by the Great Realtor In The Sky, would they still be engaged in such activity?

Anyway, aside from all of this how does a business decision like this negatively impact you or any other person in this forum? Are you concerned about the economic impact?

Thanks for the info. I'll write to the company and tell them that I won't buy any of their products here in the US. It's crap food anyway.

how does a business decision like this negatively impact you or any other person in this forum? Are you concerned about the economic impact?

I am concerned over the affiliation of campbells to the ISNA which has ties to the Muslim brotherhood. Any organization that has ties to terrorist groups is one that I will boycott.

How is it so very unacceptable that Muslims seek comparable supervision, you ask. Can you really be as dense as you seem? Over 16,000, yes 16,000, Muslim terrorist attacks have occurred just since 9/11 (which, by the way, in case you missed it, was carried out by Muslims in the name of their religion). How many Jewish terrorist attacks have been carried out over the last decade in the name of Judaism?

Man, you are either deeply ignorant or deeply duplicitous. And please understand, assuming you have any objective, rational capacity left in you, that the world at large is quickly tiring of tu quoque reasoning by Muslims and dhimmi apologists for Muslims. Ah, moral equivalency thinking is so easily defeated when comparing the innocuous (e.g., Jews) to the malevolent (e.g., Muslims). Go ahead, tell me where I've erred here.

Some Jewish terrorism during the British Mandate period did exist (e.g., the Stern Gang), but two points should be noted: 1) Any Jewish terrorism was a reaction to Arab Muslim terrorism, which was enthusiastically supported shortly after the Mandate period began by that very warped individual, Haj Amin al-Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a hater of Jews to the core and an admirer of Adolf Hitler; 2) Unlike the Arab Muslim population, which then and to this day has never had the guts to rein in its own extremists, the bulk of the Jewish population, led by figures like David Ben-Gurion, took care of its own extremists quite effectively.

You know these two points or you should know them. No defensible third point exists. Your turn.

You wrote, "...many anti-Semites have argued that kosher food represents the equivalent of a religious tax on all gentiles and that Judaism represents a threat to Western Civilization."

This is the best you can do? How many is "many?" Only kooks argue this nonsense, since Jews do not in any way represent a threat to Western liberties nor are they a threat to Western Civilization in general. Indeed, Jewish religious thought is one of the two intellectual cornerstones of all of Western Civilization, the other being ancient Greek philosophical reflection. By contrast, Muslims aplenty, aided by their warped Islamic doctrines which are inimical to free speech, equality under the law and true freedom of religion, pose a direct threat to the best which Western Civilization has produced.

Come on. Debating with you is way too easy. Like shootin' fish in a barrel. You gotta' do better than this or I'm just going to move on and find more worthy opposition. Time to make the leap from the junior varsity to the varsity, assuming that you're able.

I'm still living in "Little Lebanon", folks. The local supermarket doesn't bother me all that much. You want halal chicken hot dogs? No problem. They got that and lots of canned goods in the so-called International aisle. I'm lazy and it's only 2 blocks away. I can still buy all my pork products there, and if some of the cashiers want to wear vinyl gloves, well that's OK; I don't really want their dirty hands touching my food anyway. But Campbell's! Like I said before; 2% of the population in Canada is hard to believe here in "Little Lebanon". Oh,well... I gave up on Campbell's years ago... don't even think about screwing me over... I gotta have my French-Canadian Split Pea with Ham Soup... OR there's gonna be trouble.

For me the questions are still: How did the company come to the decision it made? What data did Campbell use and where did they come from? How reliable are the data etc. The company can have only two motives, more profit or a better public image. For the shareholders, the emphasis is on money of course. And the big question is: Who owns the largest number of shares?
It is the association with the ISNA and ISNA's ties to Hamas that is the most troublesome and consumers are right to question that and boycott Campbell if the answers are not satisfactory.
But I'm not waiting for the answer really, I 'll boycott that long list of products, most of which I don't use anyway.

You are correct, Wellington. Most of the comments have not been about how the animal is slaughtered. However, halal is the method of animal slaughter and the title of the post, "Campbell's Soup goes halal with approval from Hamas-linked ISNA", is about halal slaughter practice being accepted by Campbell's.

Beyond that, what I'm suggesting is a method for combating halal. The Humane Society, PETA, and USDA have already forced more humane slaughter methods. Islamic halal is in direct violation of those forced changes to which most Americans are already accustomed.

If Muslims want specially prepared foods, then they should start their own food companies. The Jews did, Geffen, Manischewitz, Aron Streit, Bartons, and many others. There are Kosher slaughterhouses in several states.

My point is, Jews and other groups with special dietary needs, have created their own food supply chains. Muslims seem insistent upon taking existing supply lines and converting them to Islamic standards. This is unacceptable. PETA and Humane Society have shut down several Kosher meat processors because of inhumane treatment and unsanitary conditions. Use what has already been done, don't reinvent the wheel.

And even this is only about halal prep minus slaughterhouse practices, Campbell's halal announcement is not substantially different from that of the 2003 kosher announcement: "Campbell Soup Co. announced that its condensed Vegetarian Vegetable Soup is certified kosher by the Orthodox Union (OU). The first Campbell's soup to receive OU certification, Vegetarian Vegetable is one of the brand's "Alphabet" soup varieties and a popular favorite for people of all ages. Other Campbell Soup Co. brands with OU kosher certification include most Pepperidge Farm cookies and Godiva chocolates. Campbell Soup says offering a kosher soup is an important step toward meeting the rising expectations of its consumers. The soup bears the OU symbol as a sign of kosher certification. To produce its first kosher soup, Campbell worked closely with experts at the OU to "kosherize" an entire soup production line in its Maxton, N.C., facilities."

Nevertheless, all efforts by the Muslim community to infiltrate the West should be resisted in every way possible.

Everyone:

This is a different Hakeem. The name caught my eye, too, since I banned one the other day.

Different info is coming up in the system for the Hakeem with a capital "H." User names are case-sensitive, apparently, so the system treated the two names as distinct.

Our new commenter also doesn't write like a teenager texting in the back of class, like the last guy. It's refreshing.

I hope that clears up any confusion.

"Anyway, aside from all of this how does a business decision like this negatively impact you or any other person in this forum? Are you concerned about the economic impact?"
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I'm more concerned with an Islamic blessing said over the slaughtered animal more than the issue of how its slaughtered. I don't usually buy Kosher anyways and I don't think Jewish butchers say any blessing over the animal. I could be wrong on this.

I'm also concerned with the ISNA group. If they can exert influence like this with their ties to Muslim Brotherhood, that does concern me. It should also concern you GT since they are tied to groups that are trying to promote Sharia Law here in the States. You said you like being able to practice Islam as you see fit. As long as US Constitution is the law of the land, you can do that.

Right now you are on a precipice and I can't state this more clearly. Americans have been waiting for Moderates to step up to the plate and defend the Constitution, American and its values. Even if you find some faults with the system, you should still act to defend it. It's becoming increasingly clear to the American people, especially on this board, that Moderates have don't have the stomach to stand up to radicals. Because you won't stand up to Moderates, you will all be lumped together and that will be dangerous for all of you.

Others on this board have made the analogy of the German people and I think its a good one to bear in mind. Many of the German people did not like the Third Reich and Hitler. By the time they would have had the guts to speak out, it was too late and they were forced to remain silent and do things they disliked. They became guilty of allowing the Third Reich to come to power and all of the crimes that were committed in its name. If you do not speak out, and encourage your local mosque to speak up against jihadists, you will soon find yourself in the same situation.

FYI

SOME BANKS IN THE UNITED STATES ARE OFFERING SHARIA BANKING.

ASK YOUR BANK IF THEY HAVE THIS. IF THEY DO, FIND ANTOHER BANK.

The problem with Halal IS basically economic.

When Campbell says that it is going Halal, it is saying that it is only going to used Islamic butchers. Hence, as more and more companies go Halal (in order to cut their costs of having nonislamic and Islamic) non Muslims butchers will be discriminated against. Hence non Muslims will have to convert to keep or get a job.

Yet, I believe there is going to be even more discrimination against those that prepare the food as well. Eventually as the noose tightens, those that prepare the food have to be Muslim as well(if it not already happening), in order for the food to be truly Halal.

We don't want to wait for that. It is plainly discriminatory to have a job only for Muslim butchers. It is discriminatory to have this food blessed in the name of their idol as well...since it takes away jobs from those that are not religious Muslims, but may be Christian, Hindu...etc.etc.

Look, why are we allowing "religious" cleanliness rituals to seep into our food anyway!

If what you say is true concerning Jews have reigned in their terrorists, why do they celebrate the exploits of these organizations rather than condemn them? For example, "The Long Road Home" is an Oscar winning documentary that lionizes Irgun and Lehi despite their methods. Now, are these groups to be considered valid resistance movements or are they terrorists? I can see arguments for both depending on where you stand on this. What makes these organizations slightly different from other revolutionary forces though is that their revolution is partially based on scripture, not just a desire for a cultural or ethnic homeland.

If it was just a desire for a Jewish homeland based on the concept that a specific ethnic group has a cultural connection to a scrap of land, I could see that. The problem is that this is land supposedly bequeathed to them in perpetuity by God and that the method assigned by God to take this land originally in scripture is forcibly with genocide. It's not as if this has been lost on the population there and somehow has disappeared, twice now Benjamin Netanyahu has called Iran a "new Amalek", hinting at total destruction for the Persians. So sick was his message of genocide, he actually had the nerve to say that at Auschwitz. Where does he get such an idea? From the Bible.

Anyway, this is getting to be off topic and I'm pretty sure that Marisol has a much lower thresh hold for that coming from me than from you or any of the other members of the mutual admiration society. Back to the discussion at hand...

I see little distinction between two monotheistic religions and their dietary practices. Both halacha and shari'a have been forced upon the population but there seems to be a different kind of law used to measure which is acceptable. I'm not a fan of either but I don't see the existence of a K on my food as being something negative. 2% of the population hasn't succeeded in banning work on Saturday before sundown, I somehow doubt that an even smaller slice of the population will have luck introducing even more unsavory legal code into our lives.

Makes these verses seem a lot more realistic now, doesn't it?

Revelations 13:16-17 "He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 13.17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

GerbilTea,

If we can accept muslim beliefs from the 7th century, why cant we accept Jewish ones?

Even the Koran states that the land is Jewish...consequently there are 2 witnesses that testify to the very people that are involved in this scenario. Muslims and Jewish writings both agree that Israel is Jewish land.

As regards to Iran...well what can one expect to say when Ahmed publicly wishes to destroy Israel!

From a religious view, a Hebrew has a right to point out that Ahmedj is not accepting Hebrew scripture and nor does he accept his own.

Consequently, what arguments is he looking for?

Makes these verses seem a lot more relevant now, doesn't it?

Revelations 13:16-17 "He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 13.17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

As regards Halal food,

Not too long ago, England, which is now force feeding its population with Halal meat, advertised for 50000 butchers...but took them from Pakistan. Consequently, this is discriminatory, since non Muslim butchers would not be able to get a job unless they convert. There, even most of the airline foods are Halal or are about to be, hence more discrimination against non muslims and more pressure to convert in order to get a job.

As regards to food preparation, it seems that this can be discriminatory as well, since at the very least those that are not Jewish, Christian or Muslims would by touching the food make it najis.


Even preparation is discriminatory against those that are not

Scripture is not a valid excuse for the existence of a country in the 20th or 21st centuries. By that logic, an independent country known as "Utah" should exist for white Mormons I can accept the concept of a state called Israel based on very real claims that there has been a continuous Jewish presence in the region for quite a long time. They certainly did manage to conquer it and acquire pre existing cities such as Jerusalem for their own and by my measure, those who remained in the region are certainly indigenous to it. What I don't enjoy is the suggestion that somehow those who are now culturally Arab but whose ancestors converted from Judaism to either Christianity or Islam are somehow no longer heirs to that land.

Just because you lose an ethnoreligious identity does NOT mean you have suddenly not become "indigenous" (quotations added because by their own mythology they are not indigenous) to that scrap of land. These Arabized populations are more closely related to the indigenous Jewish population than that Jewish population is to diaspora Jewish populations. Diaspora populations have been away a long time, so long in fact that they founded their own languages unrelated to Hebrew, have their own traditions and have intermarried to some degree despite significant endogamy. Again, you don't get to resurrect a dead liturgical language as a modern tongue and expect that there's this fantastic unity and pedigree in it.

The land belongs to those who live on it or are willing to work as equal partners. There's a lot of the latter going on, I've been to Israel on multiple occasions and I've generally enjoyed myself. What Israel still is not is the "little America" it tells the United States that it is. This is a country where mixed marriage or working on shabbat are still taboos and often illegal. When Israel becomes the secular democracy I hear about so often, I'll become a much more avid supporter.

Ahmadinejad is a ridiculous man who certainly should be stopped through military intervention. He needs to be defeated, he's a real threat. What Netanyahu said though, was not acceptable. Threatening to kill every man, woman and child in a nation is barbaric, particularly if that threat comes with sanction from a deity.

"As regards to food preparation, it seems that this can be discriminatory as well, since at the very least those that are not Jewish, Christian or Muslims would by touching the food make it najis."

Only Shi'ites believe that a non-believer touching food makes it impure. Being that these butchers were from Pakistan, I have a hard time believing many were Shi'ite. Still, religious discrimination is a very real possibility. The food does NOT require a blessing from any "cleric" over it as Sunni Islam does NOT have clerics. It certainly requires supervision to ensure that it is slaughtered in a manner suitable for the Muslims. Now, saying the name of another deity over the food would make it unacceptable to eat...

Gerbil: You basicly said "What's the big deal" about this, and compared it to Kosher. With the explination about INSA and its ties to Hamas and the Islamic Brotherhood, do you now agree that this is a very bad thing, and that Cambell's should be boycotted? I've noticed you've been (tactfully?) ignoring this aspect.

Also, your tu quo que contenues to be false, no matter how sweetly you try to dress it up. Jewish Law is nowhere as repulsive and regressive as Sharia.

GerbilT.

In regards to Halal, one that slaughters an animal must be muslim, since he has to also pray over it and point it in the direction of Mecca.

Preparation also is important in that it does require food to be touched only by Christian, Muslim or Jewish person, otherwise it is Najis and muslim who gets it must do additional cleaning rituals(first wash it out with sand...and the rest which i care not to mention or look up again.

No clerics in Islam... then what is an imam? and why do terrorists have to get permission(fatwa) from one before killing someone...


As regards to Israel...there is no comparison with
Mormons. No historical basis exists with Mormons. Israel has had Jewish people live there even after it was conquered.

As regards to Nethanyahu, i dont believe he meant what u are saying.. He maybe called Ahmedinejad an Amalekite... Ahmedj. is hardly one to defend, since he is in fact provoking all of this.

GerbilTea: This song's for you, and your muslim apollogists here: http://www.actionext.com/names_e/emery_lyrics/thoughtlife.html (Well, ignore the part about taking home to be a wife, otherwise describes how I feel about you)

Here's the song to listen to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-A_nQ-_Nb0

Gerbil Tea, you said,

One in four products on American grocery store shelves are given kosher supervision despite Jews being a mere two percent of the population. So, how is it so very unacceptable that muslims seek comparable supervision? Double standard much? We have all paid the minute price of kosher supervision on these products, halal is no different as a business expense.

First, I'd like to see you back up that 1 in 4 statistic with a source. Perhaps you are correct.

You say we have all paid a price for kosher supervision. On the contrary, it's likely we have all paid reduced prices because of that supervision, and here's why. Almost all the businesses that have gone kosher have done so to increase sales and profits. Increased profitability often benefits everyone because it often permits the lowering of prices to increase market share.

In economic life, more than almost anywhere else, you can't understand things by just looking at one isolated fact (an added cost of kosher supervision). You have to look at what happens to the whole economic system. In economic life synergistic effects, whole system effects, are involved. A famous example of this is the Laffer Curve. The Laffer Curve shows that often the lowering of taxes does not do what an isolated way of looking would predict: reduce government revenues. The lowering of taxes can often increase government revenues, because entrepreneurship and business activity may increase when the tax burden is reduced.

Second, catering to halal, though it might be profitable, is very different from catering to kosher. Everything Muslims demand with regard to Islamic law comes against a background of intimidation and threat. Whoever doesn't see that just hasn't been paying attention, or only pays attention to isolated facts.

In the case of going kosher, that's a free business decision; no Jews are trying to impose Jewish law on the world and reduce non-Jews to second-class status. Nor could Jews do that if they wanted to, as there are only about 15 million of them. Jews are not issuing death threats against media figures and forcing them to self-censor or go into hiding. Nor are Jews engaged in an ongoing flood of jihad attacks against non-Jews around the globe.

Meanwhile Muslims have about a hundred times the population of Jews, and the Muslim population unfailingly brings with it an unacceptable level of aggression and intimidation against non-Muslims and the media. Muslims are doing or attempting jihads attacks against civilians in Thailand, the Philippines, Somalia, Sudan, Russia, the UK, Germany, Spain, the U.S., in short, all over the globe.

In the case of halal, we are talking about the creeping in of Islamic law, which is a form of aggression against non-Muslims and women.

MUHAMMAD, IN CORE ISLAMIC TEXTS, REJECTS RELIGIOUS PLURALISM

For example, in Sahih Muslim, a canonical hadith collection.

Book 19, No. 4366
It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah [Muhammad] (may peace be upon him) say:"I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim."

IN CORE ISLAMIC TEXTS, MUHAMMAD SAID: DEATH TO THOSE WHO LEAVE ISLAM
In Sahih Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection, Muhammad said, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him." Various other canonical hadiths attest that Muhammad called for death to those who leave Islam. That's why even today all the schools of Islamic law prescribe death for apostasy from Islam.


This resonates very deeply with me - I'm from the UK where the revelation that the population has been eating halal meat WITHOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE has recently surfaced. ( Sorry, I don't know how to put links and stuff). It is true there is little difference between halal and kosher methods of slaughtering, and I don't think I could argue that the 'bolt through the brain' method of slaughtering is any more humane. For me, I'm concerned that the animal should have the best possible life while alive, and be slaughtered in the most humane way possible.

The issue is not primarily about cruelty. As other posters have said, Orthodox Jews are not forcing non-Jews to eat kosher, as kosher products are clearly labelled. In the UK, we often have no idea whether products are halal or not, as they are not labelled as such , and we only find out by asking. The point is that halal meat has been introduced CLANDESTINELY in the UK: at least Campbell's have made it clear they are introducing halal, and US and Canadian citizens are free to boycott the products if they wish.

Why is halal secret, and kosher is not ? Because that's the muslim way - to infiltrate secretly and stealthily to force us all into sharia compliance without our knowledge?
What has motivated UK manufacturers to introduce halal without the knowledge of consumers ? Profit, obviously, is one, but you only have to listen/read the news to see already how the UK government has cravenly submitted to islam in many ways - Cameron has actually come out and said that it is US who should be integrating with the muslims, and not the other way around.

So, while I consider Campbell's decision a bad one, and shall certainly be boycotting their products in future, they were open about what they're doing, giving people an opportunity to protest.

"No clerics in Islam... then what is an imam? and why do terrorists have to get permission(fatwa) from one before killing someone"

An imam is merely a prayer leader and certainly a community leader though he is not *officially* a cleric. Muslims are encouraged to get the opinion of a scholar before they make any decision they themselves may not be qualified to make. There is significant preference of opinion and certainly they don't *have to* have a fatwa (opinion) to carry out absurdity.

And I have no clue where you get these methods for zahiba meat, you just have to ensure it meats some other qualifications like it hasn't been prayed over in the name of another deity or drained of blood. This isn't some sort of syncretic voodoo ritual.

"As regards to Israel...there is no comparison with
Mormons. No historical basis exists with Mormons. Israel has had Jewish people live there even after it was conquered."

What do you mean no historical basis exists with Mormons? They, white settlers, conquered it and their religion of Mormonism teaches that WHITE SKINNED "Israelites" known as Nephites were the *rightful* owners as opposed to red skinned Lamenites. It's the same deal, millennia apart. Someone claims that the God has commanded that this land fall under the dominion of an invasive group and wham! We have manifest destiny in the case of the Americas and a new fangled uh... manifest eretz yisrael in the Middle East. In both cases, they are, by their own mythology, an invasive group come to acquiesce the land based on God's will.

As to Netanyahu and Ahmadinejad, here's a link to an article from jpost about this.

http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=167043

In both cases, the head of state is saber rattling and claiming that they are "defending" their nation from attack. To suggest though that genocide is a form of "defense" is horrid.

"First, I'd like to see you back up that 1 in 4 statistic with a source. Perhaps you are correct"

I read that one awhile back on one of the sites for a company responsible for kosher supervision, I believe it was the Orthodox Union. Didn't find it this time but I did find an article from the New York Post on the site of another respected company.

http://www.ok.org/Content.asp?ID=189

Specifically, "The average supermarket carries 65,000 products and 25,000 have the kosher symbol," he said. "

So, if true then now even more products in a U.S. grocery store are certified kosher. As to suggestion that this supervision lowers prices, I don't think it factors in one way or the other. I also read on the website of another company that the price ended up being like .0001 cents per product per consumer. I think I can shell out a penny or so every couple of years to keep Rabbi Herschel employed.

"In the case of halal, we are talking about the creeping in of Islamic law, which is a form of aggression against non-Muslims and women."

I agree with you from the point of view that Islam is an obligatory religion and Judaism is not. In most cases in human history, people have not been pressured to convert to Judaism. There are some glaring exceptions, but these exist in antiquity and have no bearing on a conversation for rabbinical Judaism today which prides itself on endogamy. It's certainly true that Muslims are, at times, willing to push their religious law on those who do not wish to live under it. My point in all this is that this is not one of those times because this is a business decision to appeal to an Islamic consumer base. This isn't being pushed by Muslims necessarily, this is being pushed by corporations who have seen an explosion in demand for kosher products ostensibly because American consumers believe these products have more rigorous standards. In other nations, if you have a comparable system of dietary law yet you have more Muslim consumers, it makes much better sense to go halal for supervision than kosher for consumers who neither Jewish nor Muslim.

What's with the quote on apostasy? We're talking about Judaism here, the faith where Moses gathers up his tribe (Levites) and slaughters all of the apostates who revert to polytheism. It certainly wasn't a good idea when Moses did it and it was equally bad when Muhammad did it too. Muslims must reject this the same way that Jews reject a death penalty for apostasy today.

From ISNA:

HALAL PRODUCTION GUIDELINES
1. Halal production is recommended first thing in the morning as per
clean equipments.
2. All sources of raw materials must be approved by ISNA Canada.
3. Slaughtermen must be practicing Muslims.
4. The production area must be free from pork.
5. Proper labels must be on totes / containers to identify halal matrix.
6. There must be a designated area for proper storage of halal finished
products.
7. Packaging labels must be clearly identified with the following:
a. Date of production
b. Product code
c. Product name
d. Halal logo
e. Lot #


just another typical example of us have muslim food put at us anything that contains inhumain slaughtered animals should be boycotted then watch the companys change so thats it as from now thjis is another thing tjhat i will not touch i.e KFC ALL SUPER MARKETS SELLING THIS FOOD KEBAB HOUSES

GerbilTea indeed makes strong and incisive comments on this subject, and unmasks the continued insufficient thoughtfulness of the average doctrinaire liberal secular supremacist on this site, a supermacism that Jihad Watch seems to want to peddle with recklessness.

By the way, one slight point GerbilTea: don't lose sight of the fact that Judaism IS an obligatory religion for those of Jewish lineage, and Jews such as myself who have embraced Christ and the Holy Church are halachically subject to possible execution, not unlike Deacon Stephen in the Book of Acts.

@GerbilTea:

'It's certainly true that muslims are at times willing to push their religious law on those who do not wish to live under it.' '.... this is not one of those times because this is a business decision to appeal to an islamic consumer base'. ' This isn't being pushed by muslims necessarily...'

1. Your first statement to my mind negates the next two.

2. Whilst the above MAY be true for the USA, it doesn't explain why halal has been forced upon MY country without our knowledge, and OUR foodstuffs are not labelled clearly as halal meat - the only way we can find out is by asking. Is this situation OK with you ?

GerbilTea does make good and solid points, showing yet again the insufficient thoughtfulness of the average doctinaire liberal secular supremacist on this site.

One point, GerbilTea: do not lose sight of the fact that Judaism is an obligatory religion for those of us of Jewish lineage, and halachically subjects Jews like me who have embraced Christ to possible execution, not unlike Stephen in the Book of Acts.

At least Hormel Ham will never have to worry about going Halal. Where does the appeasement stop?

Maybe they could change the first words of Canada's anthem from Oh Canada our home and native land to Oh can of nonsense our proud and constant goal. If anyone also can think up some lyrics that are better (not too hard to do) go right ahead.

Good point about Jews creating their own food supply chains and Muslims expecting existing food chains to comply with their requirements. Illustrative in microcosm of how the Islamic world expects everyone to adapt to it and be compliant dhimmis.

I didn't detect any "strong and incisive comments" by GerbilTea. In essence, GerbilTea was engaging in way-off-base tu quoque comparisons between Jews and Muslims. Such moral equivalizing in an age when Jewish terrorism is a virtual oxymoron and Islamic terrorism is all over the place (not to mention a continuous stream of threats worldwide by Muslims whenever Islam or Mohammed is criticized or mocked) is absurd or inane or both. In short, Jews are not a bother to the world; Muslims are the greatest bother to the world and thus any kind of equivalizing between Muslims and ANY other religious group is fallacious from the get-go.

I admire all of you who will work on stopping people from buying Campbell products. It is disgusting corporates like them who will suck up to the nasty bastards for the sake of a few dollar and sell out the honest tax paying people of a nation.
Anyone holding any stock in campbell should dump it and let the dogs do their business
Hope we all live to see this company go bust while they ingratiate themselves to the most horrendous beings on the face of this earth

Way off base? I compare the two because they are far more closely related to one another than either is to Christianity. These two religions share many intimate details with one another and while they are distinct faiths there's no closer faiths. You yourself admitted to the role of terrorism in the creation of the state of Israel, what I want you to now accept is that such terrorism is partially rooted in a desire to maintain that land because of scripture.

The other reason why I draw from this well so often is that history is littered with people making the same argument you did, only replace "Muslim" with "Jew". Many times over, the loyalty of "outsider" Jews has been questioned and they have often been seen as a fifth column.

"Muslims are the greatest bother to the world"

You folks have this same attitude right down to the conspiracy theories concerning global take overs and secret cabals. Did you read anything by Bat Ye'or? Eurabia is a conspiracy theory wrapped up in sham demographics. They may as well be pushing for the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Mecca at this point.

There's no "stealth jihad" going on concerning halal supervision of food any more so than there is a cabal of Jews meeting in Cantor's deli to discussion their earnings from a *kosher tax* on food.

I object to a death cult convincing a business to allow as part of the food prep process to spout their voo doo over it. Next they'll move on to labeling.

Split Peas 'n' Ha(ra)m

My humble contribution to the struggle: email sent to Campbell via their "talk to us" form at

http://www.campbellsoup.ca/en/talk/contact.asp

"I have decided to discontinue using your products effective immediately because of the announcement on your site that under ISNA pressure you are now selling Halal stuff."

I’m selling my stock!
I don’t have much but this company is done

This company is providing AID and Comfort to our enemies.

This is to comply with Shariah

They should be investigated for TREASON and at least Sedition.

Canada has similar laws, in terms of treason.

The reason GerbilTea keeps dragging Jews into the discussion is because he/she is a Sunni Muslim and requires a deflection and or equivalency shield from plainly exposed hideous Islamic agenda that will accompany this Halal good decision. Not to mention the inherent hatred of Jews from the Islamic world is another motivation.

You don't get it. Judaism is not a threat to freedom. Islam is. It's secondary or irrelevant that Judaism and Islam have similarities or things in common. Fascist and Marxist states had things in common with democracies like legislatures or constitutions, but so what? Islam is a totalitarian ideology, the only major faith which is, and its theological blueprint runs directly counter to democratic tenets. It also has a disgusting human being as its founder; I mean repulsive. Also, Jews don't want to conquer the world but untold numbers of Muslim loons do. Gettin' my drift?

Wellintgon: Well said.

Unfairzufan: Sorry, as wellington said to Gerbil you just don't get it (or maybe you do, more on that later). Islam is a suppressive religion. Demonizing people here as "unthoughtful" and "conspiricy theorists" isn't going to get you far. If you are really interested in the truth, please read "The truth about Mohammad" and "Muslim Mafia", then tell me what you think. Girbil's posts are anything BUT thoughtful or revealing, except revealing anti-Jewish predgidous.

I find your calling of the anti-sharia people here as "supremiscists" laughable. It is ISLAM that is contenously trying to enforce its will on non-beleivers, but we are supremiscists for fighting back! How dare the Kuffar fight back! (By the way, the strong language you use makes me seriously doubt you are a christian, yoiu do sound like a Islamic Supremiscist who does in fact know beter)

By the way, was 9/11 a "conspiricy theheory"? 7/7? The 4,0000-some terrorist attacks since 9/11? I think that song I posted to Gerbil is quite fitting to you too, take a listen.

I've copied and pasted exactly what I emailed the dhimmis at Campbells's...

"It's with regret that I've decided to boycott ALL Campbell's products.

AS WELL as ALL products made by your various sub-companies/affiliates/partners/whatever....

Pepperidge Farms, Franco Americana, Prego, and right on down the list.

I am boycotting because of your decision to offer Halal products.

Slitting an animal's throat and having it bleed out while some guy recites Arabic prayers over its dying body??

ARE YOU ALL THAT NAIVE TO THINK THAT THIS DECISION WILL SIT WELL WITH NON-MUSLIMS???

Go ahead and cater to Muslims, who are, at most, 5% of the population.
But, do know that by doing so, you risk alienating the other 95% of your customer base (non-muslims).

I feel so mmmm-mm-good knowing I won't be supporting your company as it practices outright animal cuelty. (halal slaughtering methods...)

So long and GoodBye!"


Yeah, I could be friendlier, or perhaps empathetic, in my wording, but we ARE talking about Halal slaughtering here.....

Our Halal-certified products have been chosen specifically to suit the flavour preferences of the Muslim community.
Have they got FDA approval for the camel urine yet?

Is it not time that all those who are not muslim declared jihad against the muslims. Jihad, of course,is just an internal struggle against bad judgement and satan, etc.?
As for hellal food...I refuse to even touch it. Or even gaze upon it, inadvertantly.

First, people should go to the Campbell Soup Co.'s website, find the Contact Us link and send them a short email telling them how you feel about what they are now doing.

Then, if so inclined, you might tell them you will no longer be buying their products because they are supporting a religion that believes in subjugation of women, promotes pedophilia, and believes in cutting off the heads of those who do not convert or believe in this religion.

Just a thought . . .


GerbilT

As regards to the Mormons,and their historical claim to the 'Nephilim',it is just as false and twisted as the claim by Muhammad that Abraham worshiped at Mecca, or that Jews were Muslims and Jesus was one as well. No proof historically or genetically or archeologically. Simply lies by both prophets.

In fact, both the Mormons and Muslims are very much alike in the claims that they make to their prophets and the angel who spoke to them.

As regards to the Kosher vs Halal debate. Let's be clear here as well. There are at most 15 million Hebrews...they are a true minority and they do not force their religion on others.

This is important because with Islam, their god requires muslims to force their religion on infidels and to subjugate them until they confess that the muslim idol is god. This is the reality of Islam and it has been so by the order of their prophet. Consequently it says a lot about their god/idol. That in fact their god is a weak god who needs the help of the murderous islamists in order for it to have any influence. Hence we have a monster that calls on islamists to do his bidding. Islam mus t conquer the whole world before it can truly be...

It's not about finding a place to live and settling down, which is what occurred with the Hebrews when they were given specific delineation to their state by God (according to their scripture), but it is about conquering others just to show that allah is greatest...nothing more.

Hence, it is a matter of honor, and ultimately shows islam to be a religion that is simply made up of hatred of those that are not muslim. Muhammed did not preach love of the neighbor, but in fact he preached hatred of the neighbor and war upon him until they accept their abhorring and horrible and vicious idol of a god who would not even allow himself to be known as father...

Ultimately this is islam. An insular, God-forsaken religion that wishes to rule what it cannot claim or fathom on/or for its own. It robs man of his very nature and erases his very image as it establishes itself in hatred and mires its slaves in death and destruction.

No, we dont want it in our lands. So we reject any attempts by this lying ideology to have its way in our midst.

Why is there a GUN on the logo?

Halal food is prayed over by an imam, in which he actually curses the infidels by saying that those who eat non-halal food will end up in damnation.

I will never touch food that has had the name of allah invoked, and I will tell everyone I know about this nasty little mystical fact, of which most people are not aware.

Also, I will not facilitate a jizya tax to ISNA. I will never purchase product from any halal food producer.

Best to stay away from processed mass-marketed foods anyway. Campbells has enough salt in it to give you high blood pressure.

Where are PETA and FDA on this? Aren't there regulations that define and prohibit such procedures as constituting unnecessary cruelty to animals?

I'm not sure why you think PETA would think halal butchering is unncessarily cruel, since they don't think killing and eating animals is OK under any circumstances.

You might not be aware of this, but the ritual procedure for killing animals in kosher butchering is very similar to the halal procedure.

As for the FDA, they're governed by 7 USC Sec. 1902, which says:

No method of slaughtering or handling in connection with
slaughtering shall be deemed to comply with the public
policy of the United States unless it is humane. Either
of the following two
methods of slaughtering and handling are hereby found to
be humane:
(a) in the case of cattle, calves, horses, mules,
sheep, swine, and other livestock, all animals are
rendered insensible to pain by a single blow or
gunshot or an electrical, chemical or other
means that is rapid and effective, before being
shackled, hoisted, thrown, cast, or cut; or
(b) by slaughtering in accordance with the ritual
requirements of the Jewish faith or any other
religious faith that prescribes a method of
slaughter whereby the animal suffers loss of
consciousness by anemia of the brain caused by the
simultaneous and instantaneous severance of the
carotid arteries with a sharp instrument and
handling in connection with such slaughtering.

So, to recap: PETA is opposed to all butchering of animals. They don't think halal slaughtering is way more evil than any other method.

7 USC Sec. 1902 explicitly says that slaughtering an animal by cutting its throat quickly (as is done by both kosher and halal butchers) is humane.

It's not like it's hard to look this stuff up, dude.

Eastview

The main problem is that Halal is discriminatory against butchers that are not muslims. Hence, as companies change to Halal in order to compete overseas, fewer and fewer butchers will be able to remain neutral in belief as their job security is threatened. Hence, they will be forced to become Muslims. Those that do not wish to, will most likely be persecuted in order to take away from non muslims any means of sidestepping Islam. Islam has proven itself over and over again to actively remove the options that exist for non Muslims in order to force conversion.

Also as I have pointed out there are rules in preparation of the food which discriminates against those that are not Muslims, Christian, or Jewish. (therefore, the noose will tighten as they get more control)

On top of that, it is food offered to an Idol...which actively discriminates against non Muslims. This is not to be taken lightly, since it introduces a ritual followed by over 1.3 billion people and solidifies their relevance in the minds of the ignorant.

In addition, these organizations ( that certify Halal) contribute zakat which goes to Jihad, and consequently support terrorism. (same with shariah banking)

Our businesses are truly becoming fascist in the sense that their economic needs take precedent over basic individual principles. We must protest against this since it will affect training, education and ultimately our very morals.

My balls are halal, yet you all insist on licking them. Make up your minds!

Nobody asked for your balls... just your brain....

to think things through.

But in your case, just do what the imam tells his ass wipe followers.

Shut up and do as told...don't ask questions or make any comments.

Write to them and let them know. I did write
Halal is a cruel method of slaughter of animals.Animals die with excruciating pain. Campbell soups insists on providing halal meat, I will stop using campbells products. If you dont know what halal slaughter is have a look. http://www.truthtube.tv/play.php?vid=4224

I for one will never eat any food that adheres to a standard of cleanliness that the people I am at war with require. I'll continue to eat Cambell's soups, but only after I throw some nasty pig offal into it so no sensible Muslim or Jew (or any reasonably educated human being) would eat it.

BWAAAHAAAAHHHAAAAAAA!!!! Showed you! Super Size me, Bitches!!

I'll be returning every can of Campbell's I have in my pantry to the grocery store, not for a refund, but to make a point.

Whether kosher or halal--keep religion out of the food industry. It amounts to blackmail. It is unfair to all of us to cater to a particular segment of the population.

I heard that the food chain Aldi's does not sell any religious endorsed products. I'm going to check it out...

Moral Equivlence Alert!
Sorry, but all religions should be prevented from selling foods that conform to their religions? I'm sorry but you fail. ISLAM is a toltarian social system that oppresses non-beleivers, and THAT is the issue. Judism does not, and so what harm does Kosher food do to you, since you can simply ignore it. You just come off as another anti-religous biggot.

Good factual post. I learned something. Thanks.

I bought some Campbells Soup the other day because I did not know about this, but not anymore.

My feedback to Campbell's:
-----
I just want you to know that since Campbell's decision to produce and promote Islamic Halal compliant soups, that Campbell's has lost my business as a consumer. I read labels and vote with my wallet, and will no longer buy your products.

Your decision to support any aspect of Islamic law, even if it's just food, is regrettable and despicable.

This is a discrimination for us, other communities. Campbell, you are bias!
I will never purchase any of your products and I will inform others not to purchase your products.

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