"Her father called 911 on Wednesday, saying he had 'slapped' his daughter during an argument at their apartment."
Maybe he forgot he was under Canadian law for a moment, as Islamic law is curiously less gung-ho about penalties for parents who kill their children, especially when one stops to think of what's higher on the list for Sharia's punishments. That includes apostasy from Islam, for which the penalty is death, according to Muhammad's own command. That is also of interest here in light of the victim's reported refusal to participate in prayers.
But for children: "Retaliation is obligatory against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right." However, "not subject to retaliation" is "a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring's offspring." ('Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2.)."
Apologists will protest that 'Umdat al-Salik is but one book. However, it is one book that was certified as "reliable" as a manual for Shafi Islamic jurisprudence by Al-Azhar University, one of the highest institutions of learning in Sunni Islam. Why, pray tell, didn't Al-Azhar, where one would think "misunderstanding" Islam would be less of an issue, kick it to the curb as un-Islamic, and morally reprehensible in general?
Meanwhile, how many others like Noutene Sidime live in terror in Canada, the U.S., and elsewhere, while the apologists spin and the politically correct maintain their polite silence?
Lastly, note the headline. Note what's important here. "Family rallies around accused father," by Irwin Block for Postmedia News, October 13 (thanks to Patrick):
"MONTREAL - The extended family of a 71-year-old father charged with aggravated assault in the death of his 13-year-old daughter has rallied in support of both victim and accused.
They spoke of Moussa Sidime's commitment to family as they poured out their love for his dead daughter Noutene.
Standing beside a makeshift shrine of flowers and notes from family and friends next to the family's Longueuil, Que., apartment, family spokesperson Mamoudou Kaba read from a statement.
In it, some 13 family members expressed their love for the "beautiful and intelligent" Noutene, who died on Saturday, three days after she was struck and fell into a coma.
Her father called 911 on Wednesday, saying he had "slapped" his daughter during an argument at their apartment.
Some of the girl's neighbours told reporters that there was conflict in the family because Noutene didn't always want to pray with her family, who are Muslim. But several close friends yesterday disputed those statements.
Qur'an 4:34: Allah himself establishes that a man can beat the women under his control if he fears disobedience from them. These are the consequences.
The family, with roots in Guinea, was "devastated" by the loss of the "beloved" teenager, they said.
She was "beautiful, intelligent and a brilliant student, much like her father." Two years ago, she won a math prize and was making plans to follow her sisters academically, hoping to become a lawyer.
Poverty and ignorance can't be blamed here:
The accused, Moussa Sidime, was described as the family cornerstone, an architect with degrees from Columbia University in New York and Universite Laval in Quebec City. Mr. Sidime appeared in a Longueuil courtroom briefly yesterday, where his bail hearing was postponed until Friday. His lawyer, Marie-Josee Duhaime, said, "He is overcome by the situation, he is very sad."
Crown prosecutor Julie Laborde said she is awaiting the results of an autopsy to determine the girl's cause of death and whether a more serious charge should be laid.
If her death is related more directly to any blows received, a charge of manslaughter or second-degree murder is considered a possibility....
"a math prize and was making plans to follow her sisters academically, hoping to become a lawyer"
Well, they didn't want her to become a lawyer. Or be educated. Who did she think she was, eh? Was she to be higher than her father?" sarc/on
Ah, beaten to death more in sorrow than in anger because she wouldn't submit to Islam, eh?
Well, as it was a beating more in sorrow than in anger, we'll have to let him off and ask him not to be quite so rough with the surviving members of the family.
Of course, the court could throw the book at this Muslim monster and put him in prison for the rest of his unnatural life -- but I wouldn't bet on it.
Her father called 911 on Wednesday, saying he had "slapped" his daughter during an argument at their apartment.
Must have been one heck of a slap, or was it many slaps...
How does a 71 year old's slap kill a 13 year old girl? What, did he slap her with a shovel? Maybe the old man is taking the fall for a younger family member?
OT
European terror attacks mastermind sent operative to Britain to raise arms and money
The one-eyed al-Qaeda commander behind the recent terrorism alert over Mumbai-style attacks in Europe, sent a terrorist operative to Britain last year to seek money, weapons and manpower, it can be disclosed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8069381/European-terror-attacks-mastermind-sent-operative-to-Britain-to-raise-arms-and-money.html
The 71 year old had huge respect at the mosque and within his community. At class or at some function, someone may have unintentionally asked "where is Noutene, I did not see her last week either?"
"She is busy studying". he would have said but had looked at all the others who had their grand children there.
Beware of the trapping of the West Moussa, before you know it her virginity will go some white man, she must know only the ways of Muhammed PBUH.
I have often said that brilliant children can be vunerable. The poor family probably did not know that she had a weak skull.
You know how it is, after that, a medium (but well intentioned) slap accidently hit the weakest part of her skull and it would have caused pressure and caused swelling.
She might then have complained of a headache and here is the saddest part - they may have thought she was making further excuses of not wanting to pray (this is what happens in the West - the trust barrier really breaks down), she tried to pray and in the kneeling and bending process will have caused further pressure to the skull, something may have got trapped in the swelling and over the course of 3 days she wouldn't get up.
Can you imagine the distraught that the family has had to endure - why was she born with such a thin skull?
This is such a disaster, if there is any thing to be learned from this is that children should love Islam and obey their elders who know better.
This post really choked me up, and I was close to tears, a proud man brought to his knees like this in the twlight of his life.
Of course he is overcome by the situation: he is in all sorts of trouble.
We have read about these 911 calls from fathers who have killed: "oh, she is dead, she is dead, she is dead". Never "I have killed her".
And not just one book.
Minhaj al-Muslim by Abu Bakr Jabir Al-Jaza'iry, Volume 2, p. 482-3:
"Retaliation is not obligatory for murder" unless, among other conditions, "the murderer is not the parent of the murdered person, whether a father or mother, or a grandfather or grandmother. This is due to the Prophet's statement: 'A parent is not killed for its child.'"
There is a footnote explaining that Ahmad, At-Tirmithi, and Ibn Jarud called this statement from Muhammad authentic. To be fair, the book also explains that Malik held that "if the murder was committed intentionally, purposefully, and with hostility, like choking the child with a rope or slaughtering it with a blade, then the parent is killed (in retaliation) for the child's murder." The Maliki school accounts for ~15% of the world's Muslims. See p. 13, http://www.sufism.org/society/articles/500Muslims_2009.pdf
Note Minhaj al-Muslim has been taught to Muslims in the USA; here's video of a lecture given in Minnesota in 2004:
http://www.thebuildingblocks.org/downloads/minhaj-al-muslim.html
I can also see that Columbia did a wonderful job of instilling in him Western values. Then again, it has become a bastion in the liberal muslo alliance.
This girl's death came out last week on my yahoo.ca, but the names of the grandfather, parents,etc. was not mentioned, nor anything that would identify the parent's religion or status, l suspected a cover up and now l see that they did not want to mention anything about an honor killing! the liberal establishment needs to hide the truth, its time we call out on this !
If the accused is found guilty, repatriate this family to the country of origin.
A family crime should mean doing family time.
Can you imagine the distraught that the family has had to endure - why was she born with such a thin skull?
You are truly a freak...Did Allah teach you to reason like that?
I think Roland is particularly hilarious here.
@ Roland
You're being ironic, right? If not, you have a serious, planet-sized, denial problem about the true nature of Islam.
Go lie down in a darkened room and place a cool, damp cloth on your forehead.
But then again, hey! being crazy and making up tall stories is Sunna :))
71 - 13 = 58 yrs old when he conceived her. That outdoes even the great Mohammed. The only remaining questions would then be:
* How old is the deceased girl's mother now?
* Did dear old dad murder his daughter cuz he was having incestuous pedophilic sex with her?
Hey, with Moslems anything's possible.
..."the ways of Muhammed PBUH."
Peace be upon him? ...spoken like a true mohammedan. More like "perdition be upon him", since that's exactly where muhammad is right now. In hell, dontchaknow. Sorry, but muhammad will never find PEACE in that place, lol; and you and your ilk will never find peace within islam, either. islam was founded on quicksand and a pack of lies leading straight to the abyss, so snap out of it.
Peace be upon him, what a stupid lie ...
Roland is cracking me up. I put on a video, which I can't seem to link here, Aerosmith, the Muslim girls' theme song, "Janie Got a Gun," and I laughed all the way through as I reread Roland's comment.
@ Roland
You wrote: 'Beware of the trapping of the West Moussa, before you know it her virginity will go some white man, she must know only the ways of Muhammed PBUH.'
This is racist! '...her virginity will go (to) some white man...!
And then the punchline: '...she must only know the ways of Muhammed PBUH'
Would that be the ways of Muhammed that Aisha knew about?
Oh, by the way. You say that Noutene was probably thin-skulled. I think your skull must be particularly dense and impervious to reason.
roland, with a small r among other things, has been a troll on this site for quite some time now. Just do a google search of roland and Jihad Watch and you can see what he's doing.
It's quite something that Robert allows him to continue to post. He would have been squashed for this kind of behavior on LGF.
I would like to thank Robert for allowing roland to comment on here and allowing roland to show the kind of thinking that goes on in a brain that is so enamored of Islam.
A math winning award pre teen girl …gets her live shopped off before she had any chance to live and experience the life she should have continue to live …and the reason….Ladies and gentleman ….is pathetic, patty and frivolous …SHE….WHAT????… SHE DID NOT LIKE TO PRY….WOW….there is no doubt about it ..it is the most unfair but then we are talking about Islam after all…the family is muslim and they originated from islamic countries …WHAT DID WE EXPECT OTHER THEN …DEATH ,,,DEATH ,,,AND MORE DEATH
that little girl is gone just like all the millines other girl in the past who paid with lives because they did obey the shareea and their parents …I have seen it so many times I should be immune to it when I here about it….but it never fail to effect me so much …if little girls do not have their father to guard their back who they should have? ….the monster turn out to be her own father acting to the order of the prophet / monster Muhammad
"This is racist! '...her virginity will go (to) some white man...!"
Good catch, Buraq ...clearly "roland" was making a racist remark.
And "Abdullah Mikail" was banned for making racist remarks.
AM's comment can be found on this thread:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/12/feel-the-love-pakistan-harassing-us-diplomats.html
And here's Marisol's response to AM @3:55PM on that same thread:
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"Porch monkey?"
"Thick lips?"
I'm not buying the excuse. I have never heard the term used above by Abdullah in any context other than a racist one.
We ban for racial slurs.
Period.
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Roland: "Beware of the trapping of the West Moussa, before you know it her virginity will go some white man, she must know only the ways of Muhammed PBUH.
I suggest Roland be banned from here. Because of the tasteless racist remarks, but also because he is obviously some plant trying deliberately to make all Muslim men look silly and primitive by making us respond to his supremacist taunts in the same manner in order to present loonwatch with something to hate, but he overdid it this time.
I suggest that Stephan Larsen be banned. Why? Well, I don't like him. Good enough for me.
I sing the praises of Roland. Go, Roland.
I, nabi ZK (pbum), true nabi of all mohametan and pseudo mohametan trolls, founder of the True Nabi Online School, be a true nabi in only 10 days or half your money back, and so on, hereby nominate roland for Jihadwatch Troll of the Month, with special mention for pseudo mohametan thinking outside the box. roland! You are out there buddy.
nabi ZK (pbum)
I read as far as Rolan's comment.
The man obviously was being sarcastic.
@ sonofwalker
You need to learn to spell your name properly! The 'l' in walker should be an 'n'. Right?
http://blip.tv/file/4258090
Quran 8:12 + 47:4 "smite ye above their necks"
(beheading with a knife or sword)
Quran 4:89 Death for Apostasy
http://schnellmann.org/death_for_apostasy.html
Not liking someone is no reason to ban them, whereas making racist remarks does; and the fact that you support revolting "roland" speaks volumes about your character, or lack thereof.
People, ease off Roland. Where's your sense of sarcasm?
His comments were, situation aside, I was trying not to laugh. either.
Lighten up!
Hi, allat ...no, roland is famous for making these kinds of outrageous comments. And if memory serves me correctly, then roland's been posting these types of comments for over a year now, maybe longer. Hey we don't call him "revolting roland" for nothing ...
Yes, Champ, I have a character, and it tells me I think you should be banned too.
I notice as well that dad is an architect. No kidding? As Appius Claudius Caecus writes, "Every man is the architect of his own fortune." Dad has built a prison for himself, and made a grave for his daughter.
Musical interlude while I think of other commentators here who should be banned.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqQn2ADZE1A
I need to tell you that I am a humble person devoid of rascism. If anybody has been offended unnecessarily then they misunderstood the message.
What I meant to say - perhaps clumsily is that "the ways of Muhammed" means that she loses her virginity to a muslim, not a non-muslim (who I said in passing was "white").
Although rare, our young muslimas can lose their ways and succumb to the inferior ways of non-muslim infidelity.
Staying within Islam guidelines guarantees their future, health, wealth, prosperity and next generation are all based around Islam and muslims. I make no apology for that.
It is not my fault that the West generates mistrust, disrespect and bad mannered people.
As I said, this girl was now at that stage where intense care (as opposed to intensive care) was required to nurture her upbringing.
Buraq, America has done you proud, a whole television show in your (translated) name with a famous theme song that I quite like. Sing alone with me, if you will:
A horse is a horse, of course, of course,
And no one can talk to a horse of course
That is, of course, unless the horse is the famous Mr. Ed/Buraq.
I think maybe we should ban everyone from commenting here. Ceptin' for Nabi, cause he's got such cool names and titles. Yeah, he should stay.
Keep it up, troll ...
Ironically, it is your comments that are falling under the radar for possible banning, not mine or Stepphen Larsen's - who is a great great contributor, btw.
Hope you're holding a mirror while enjoying your Youtube video, because you're the one who will wind up banned, pal.
No knock out there, Champ. Keep on swinging.
Hey roland,
I've dated muslim girls... They are so deprived of good lovin' that they fall all over themselves to get real love from non-muslim guys like me.
Muslim girls are SO very eager and willing lovers. Muslim girls want to let their hair down, and I'm right there to toss their hijab over the headboard.
"I need to tell you that I am a humble person devoid of rascism."
OK, there are none so blind, etc, etc ...
"If anybody has been offended unnecessarily then they misunderstood the message."
No they didn't. If there was a failure to communicate, then that failure to communicate came from YOU. Besides, you're a mohammedan game player, roland, and you always have been. The "oops, I didn't mean it that way" corrective measures you always make AFTER your comments is an old and tiresome taqiyya tactic. I mean you are soooo predictable. Others can see it, too.
Graven, dda, where are you?
@ sonofwalker
So, it was Mr. Ed that carried Mohammed from Mecca to Jerusalem. Did they duet all the way there and back?
http://newstime.co.nz/honor-killings-to-offspring-are-allowed-in-islam-to-sharia-law-o2-4-reliance-of-the-traveller.html
Islamic/Sharia Law allows to kill:
o1.2 “Muslim for killing a non-Muslim”
It fits with Quran 4:89 “slay them (apostate) wherever ye find them”, 9:5 slay the Pagans (kuffar [sing.] kafir, infidels, unbelievers) wherever ye find them, 2:191 “slay them (unbelievers) wherever ye catch them”, 8:12 “… Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks” & 47:4 “smite at their necks” (beheading with a knife/sword) …
“(3) A Jewish or Christian subject the Islamic state for killing an apostate of Islam (because a subject of the state is under its protection (dhimmis) while killing an apostate from Islam is without consequenses)”
Fits also with Quran 9:29 & hadith Sahih (i.e. “sound”, “reliable”) Muslim Book 19, Number 4294 – jizyah, a protection tax, “… this is how the mafia operates” Page 166 “Understanding Muhammad”)
“(4) Father or Mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring”
“(5) …”
Buraq, I must respond, "Of course, of course, he's a talking horse."
I mean, Mr. Ed is a horse, of course.
"I need to tell you that I am a humble person devoid of rascism."
C'mon, even you're laughing your ass off over such a pious comment. I mean you CAN'T be serious.
Roland can't help himself, guys. Apparently every comment he makes is SARCASTIC.
Not unless you think that he is actually being SERIOUS this time, allat ...you too, sonofagun.
roland is a clown ...as are you two for falling for his games.
Yes, Champ, Roland is a clown. That's why he's funny.
" The poor family probably did not know that she had a weak skull ".
This is a new low for you..making excuses for the murderer of a young girl.
You verbally castigated me recently, when a young Muslimah made a few comments here. You wrote " I am trying to keep Muslimahs safe, from people like you ".
Yeah, I'm a real threat...
sigh!
What did I get myself into?
Next time, I'll let a man defend himself!
I mean, it is a man's world, after all, even in the West.
Don't you just feel for the old guy? Now who's he gonna slap around?
Allat, in my musical mood this day, "Three times a Lady."
When the father dies (hopefully executed by the state) -
will he be considered by his peers, a "martyr"? (and rewarded the eternal 72 virgins)?
Afterall, he killed in the name of promoting Islam.
It is certainly racism that young Muslim men often have free access to Infidel girls, whereas Muslim girls are too pure to be contaminated.
It is very likely just another expression of the desert rape-culture origins - I rape your women and prevent you from raping mine - and also there's a lot of Eastern tribal and male dominance culture incorporated into this general Intolerance concerning the Infidel and his impure ways, but I see only explanations and no excuses.
As with so many other aspects of Islam, mixed marriages too are one-way only.
"This is such a disaster, if there is any thing to be learned from this is that children should love Islam and obey their elders who know better."
The statement above is by "Roland". He's basically saying that Muslim children who don't love Islam deserve to die at the hands of their parents.
If I did not know better, I'd think such a statement as quoted above was spoken by the Devil himself. Alas, I know better. Roland is not the Devil, but simply the Devil's mouthpiece.
The special distinction of being the Devil's personification is exclusively reserved for Muhammad, the founder and inventor of Islam, and messenger/prophet of the Devil, and *not* the messenger/prophet of Allah/God, despite his claim to the contrary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah
Steffen Larsen raises an interesting point re. rape and shame/honour culture.
If, since Muslim men seem to be unconcerned about prison sentences and even death itself, then where does one hit them where it hurts? What does one do to a rapist who has no fear of much of anything but Allah? What would one do to a gang of rapists who pride themselves only on their abilities as rapists? It's an interesting point I cannot answer here.
Xero G,
We don't have the death penalty in Canada. I'm guessing he will get a light sentence. Recently in Montreal, a woman attempted to murder her daughter by stabbing her in the head, I believe because she came home late. Amazingly, she was given bail, as were the 3 guys in Ottawa who were caught building bombs, or some such thing. Out west, in Alberta or BC I think, a Croatian Muslim woman was given a 3-year suspended sentence for murdering her daughter for not wearing her headscarf (anyone, please correct me if I don't have the facts exactly right.)
What a shame about the death of this poor child. May she rest in peace.
You can take the muslim immigrant out of his islamic hellhole ... but you can't take that hellhole out of the muslim immigrant. Islam does NOT belong in Western society. Can't we end this long-failed MC experiment now? If we stopped all muslim immigration today we'd still be left with ghastly incidents like this one (and worse) from the muslims we've already foolishly allowed in.
@ Roland
You need to either get better at sarcasm, or rethink your entire moral value system. You bemoan the "proud man"...who, it is alleged, savagely assaulted his young granddaughter, so savagely that it resulted in her death.
Assuming that the facts of the case turn out as they now seem, this senseless death is a result of nothing more than the manifestation of the misogynistic paternalism that is the hallmark of Islam.
Muslims pray to a "god", who they believe created the known universe. A "god" that when confronted with the idea that "his" creation was flawed, could come up with no better "retrofit" than to mandate that the women wear sacks over their heads.
Never forget that this whole "modesty" routine is because the muslim males could not "keep it in their pants". The only solution that their "god" could arrive at was sacks for the women.
This overly simplistic attitude is seen in Roland's surmising that the fault was with the girls "thin skull". The blame never lies with the men in Islam.
Remember that Islam treats women as little more than breeding stock, owned and controlled by muslim men.
If proven guilty in a court of law, the grandfather will be deserving of only contempt, and to end his days in a cage.
All sorrow is for the young woman whose life was snuffed out to satisfy the pride of misogynistic muslim males.
Living Stone - The statement above is by "Roland". He's basically saying that Muslim children who don't love Islam deserve to die at the hands of their parents.
You stupid son of a gun - don't presume to intrepet my statements using a warped sense of imagination.
By saying that parents know better I mean that they have a much better life experience. Even miserable Westerners (perhaps like you) who consider themselves as parents advise their children "don't marry this person because of such and such - and that you are settinig yourself up for a big fall - or a lifetime of misery etc etc".
The reason they use is that as elders "they know better".
In the same way that you may advise your children because you know better does not mean - if they don't follow your advice you will kill them.
It is in this same way what I mean - no one on this duniya love their children like we muslims do.
You sir/madam - are a wally!
I cannot BELIEVE some of these comments that I am reading.
What on earth is the point of a blog such as JW, if it is not prepared to listen/read people who totally disagree with you ? You want to comment into an echo chamber ? I despise islam, and every thing to do with it, but I also despise those who would smother any kind of dissent.
What, we are so unsure of our own position that we can't cope with islamic idiots ? We need to nail them with reasoned logical arguments, not play into their pathetic world view that no-one understands them, they don't get a fair shake, etc, etc. Islamic idiots who comment on this blog need to either be argued with, if they show a modicum of intelligence, or totally ignored, because they don't deserve the compliment of a reasoned response.
Listen to them, refute them, but NEVER, in the name of GOD, say they have no right to say what what they want to say. You want to ban people who disagree with you ? You do that, what makes us any different from the scumbags who want to shut us up in the name of PC, multiculturalism, islamisification.
"thing to be learned from this is that children should love Islam and obey their elders who know better."
Roland the results from the autopsy, haven't come out yet.
"The 71 year old had huge respect at the mosque and within his community."
That's what his family said to reporters “Respect us, we are in mourning,”...refusing to make further comments. About 13 family members and friends were in the courtroom for his appearance."
thanks for working out the mechanics on how to crush a child's skull while they pray.
...don't rule out 'the arthritis' as a factor, his gnarly old man-pleasers might've felt like rolled up quarters.
A neighbor said Sidimé and his wife argued alot, ..on her wasn't he allowed to use a stick?
Eleanor, have I mentioned often enough that I'm incredibly handsome and almost rich?
They tell me that sort of thing works on the Internet. How am I doing so far?
Oh, Dag, you lady killer you! Sorry dear, I'm happily married and probably a bit too old for you anyway!
But you are charming and you do write very handsomely, so I believe you'll do just fine! :)
No one here is suggesting a ban based on mere disagreement, it should be very obvious. Dang: it would empty this blog in a hurry!
The suggestion was based on a remark that was deeply offensive to the Infidel. Also because everything had a smell of false-flag, of an agent provocateur, of dishonesty.
That's what I've been waiting for all day, Eleanor. I'm on my way out now to enjoy a beautiful day in the sunshine.
That, as it is, is an experience that most Muslim girls will never experience. Imagine how terrible life is for them that even such a simple thing is nearly impossible. The idea of me flirting with Eleanor would be death for them. Our path is pretty straight forward.
(My best, Eleanor.)
Dag Walker, Vancouver, Canada.
"I sing the praises of Roland. Go, Roland." - sow
No, "sow" is not "charming."
Brava, champ. You are right.
Off you go back to Pakistan, barbaric troll. A heathen like you doesn't belong in the civilized West.
Thank you, Courreges W ...
What do you expect from Roland? Like the typical Muslim male, he's a misogynistic barbarian, the sort we took pleasure in crushing 300 years ago, but then again we had to do it, otherwise the entire West would have become a barbaric hellhole. Roland is a misogynistic monster who belongs in Pakistan.
With a great masculine name like Dag, how could you NOT have a bevy of beautiful non-Muslimas following you around everywhere, watching the sunset and fighting each other for your attention?
You should do poetry readings at coffee houses and try to grab up (and by doing so, save) a libby-leftie nouveau-hippie chick or two.
~El
;D
"He is overcome by the situation, he is very sad."
Thats because he was caught. Had this happened in the US, or the UK of 50 years ago, it would have been the lethal injection or the hangmans noose for him.
"I sing the praises of Roland."
My obscure allusion to "The Song of Roland."
"Roland Roland Roland, Rawhide!"
I was right about Roland the first time...Nothing has changed...
"You want to ban people who disagree with you?"
This wasn't a disagreement, Jan. Banning him would be in keeping with house rules. Didn't you read Marisol's comment posted from a previous thread? JW bans for making racist remarks.
I fail to see the humor in any of roland's inane and profoundly grotesque comments, especially in relation to serious matters like rape and racism. Yeah go catch some rays, retard ...
And for your 911, muslims are NOT a race ...
I fail to see the humor in any of roland's inane and profoundly grotesque comments, especially in relation to serious matters like rape and racism.
Exactly...
Reading the comments here I completely forgot what site I was on and who is a Muslim or isn't, slightly confused. I have to admit I thought Roland was just another poster being sarcastic to the story, I had no idea he was Muslim.
So Roland is Muslim. sonofwalker, Muslim or non Muslim?
Why are we banning Stephan Larsen?
I think if we ban anything we should ban Muslim men from having women, judging from their lack of respect for them. No more women for Muslim men they are just going to have to learn to be gay, the world would be a better place and Islam would be gone a generation later. Maybe instead of bombing Muslim countries we could airlift all the women out of them. We could donate Halal meat packed with sleeping pills and when they wake all the women would be missing.
One could only dream eh?
Thanks, sow; I have been racking my brains all this time...the Song of Roland...French, very long, ancient poem. How could "roland" have chosen such a decidedly non-Muslim name, since he is such a zealot?
The repulsive and disturbing "roland" wrote:
The 71 year old had huge respect at the mosque and within his community. At class or at some function, someone may have unintentionally asked "where is Noutene, I did not see her last week either?"
"She is busy studying". he would have said but had looked at all the others who had their grand children there.
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How terribly embarrassing! With such terrible humiliation and provocation, how could Moussa Sidime possibly do anything besides murder his young daughter? sarc/off
More:
Beware of the trapping of the West Moussa, before you know it her virginity will go some white man, she must know only the ways of Muhammed PBUH.
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Notice that the repellent "roland" gives warnings to the murderer and those like him, *not* the victim. We certainly know where his sympathies lie.
As for Noutene "knowing only the ways of Muhammed PBUH", that might have meant that she would have been raped by a man almost as old as her murderous father was when she was conceived, and that she would have suffered this as a little third-grade child.
That was poor young Aisha's fate.
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I have often said that brilliant children can be vunerable. The poor family probably did not know that she had a weak skull.
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Thank you for your learned analysis, "Dr. roland". Luckily, you have shown that your own skull is thicker than most.
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You know how it is, after that, a medium (but well intentioned) slap accidently hit the weakest part of her skull and it would have caused pressure and caused swelling.
She might then have complained of a headache and here is the saddest part - they may have thought she was making further excuses of not wanting to pray (this is what happens in the West - the trust barrier really breaks down), she tried to pray and in the kneeling and bending process will have caused further pressure to the skull, something may have got trapped in the swelling and over the course of 3 days she wouldn't get up.
Can you imagine the distraught that the family has had to endure - why was she born with such a thin skull?
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Even if this fanciful scenario were accurate, it would mean that Noutene's family denied her medical care for *three days* while the young girl suffered. What could be more loving? sarc/off
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This is such a disaster, if there is any thing to be learned from this is that children should love Islam and obey their elders who know better.
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I thought her death was due to a "thin skull"? Might it have been because of the homicidal tenets of Islam, after all?
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This post really choked me up, and I was close to tears, a proud man brought to his knees like this in the twlight of his life.
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No tears for the terrible loss of a girl just starting out on her life? Of course not. "roland's" tears are only for the girl's murderer, and not for the poor young victim herself.
"roland" is back after a hiatus. Perhaps he got tired of the lack of support he found here for his grotesque and vicious world view, or perhaps he took some time out to visit a Jihad training camp in some Muslim hell-hole. In any case, he seems to be back now—and in as fine moral fettle as when he last stated his appalling views.
Great post, Gravenimage!
Roland, you are a despicable muslim pervert; an incorrigible, predictable, islamic reprobate. Muslims are incapable of loving anything or anyone but muhammad the barbaric lecher. They don't even love islam's demonic deity, they're only terrified of it. Your putrid, inferior, archaic cult should be outlawed in the civilized world. If your goal is to generate antipathy for islam and muslims, keep it up, you're doing a wonderful job.
This story reminds me of a story that came up here at Jihadwatch in April this year:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/04/british-girl-kidnapped-by-saudi-father-i-told-the-police-he-was-keeping-me-there-against-my-will-and.html
The Sunday Mirror on 11 April 2010 told the story of a young woman, Hana Basrawi, the daughter of a Saudi father and British mother, who was taken to Saudi Arabia by her father as a girl, after her parents divorced.
"When I turned 11 I was made to start wearing a head scarf and couldn't leave the house without my father's permission. I had no friends and wasn't allowed to play outside. Dad was very controlling and verbally abusive and expected me to do all the housekeeping.”
'By 2002 when Hana was 14 she was so desperate she went to the Saudi police for help... but was sent back to her father.
'She says: "I told them he was keeping me there against my will and all they said was, 'He's your father, if he wants he can kill you'."
"When I got home dad locked me in my bedroom, pinned me to the floor and cut off my hair and then set fire to it. He left me practically bald.
"He took me out of school and I felt even more cut off.
"He had a terrible temper and I was very frightened of him. He would beat me if I didn't do what he said."...
Note that when Hana, abused and confined by her father, went to the Saudi police to try to get help, she got none whatsoever.
'All they said was, "He's your father, if he wants he can kill you".
What if, at bottom, Moussa Sidime thought he had a perfect right to beat and even - if he chose - to kill, his daughter? What if, at some level, he didn't think he'd done anything very wrong, and got a nasty shock when he was actually arrested? What if the whole theatrical display of grief by the family is in order to try to protect him and to not look bad in the suspicious eyes of the surrounding kuffar?
A further question occurs to me: if a non-Muslim Canadian had hit his daughter, in the course of an argument, hard enough to kill her, would the entire extended family be tearfully rallying round him and making excuses for him and saying what a wonderful guy he was? Wouldn't they, rather, be reeling with shock, or retreating into stunned silence?
I hope the Canadian authorities have done a very, very thorough autopsy on this poor little girl. I hope they've looked her body over from head to toe...I hope they've checked for any evidence [scars, bruising, etc.] of previous physical and/ or sexual abuse.
No, because, "Mr. Ed will never speak unless he has something to say."
Civilized Nations and people must punish severely those responsible for senseless 'Muslim related' horrible crimes!! These sub-human Neanderthals must learn they CANNOT get away with such barbarism in Western Countries and should/must be returned to their own tribes if they cannot comply with our laws. So called "Honor Killings" and "Sex mutilation' proves these Muslims cannot be allowed to pollute our civilized societies!
Yes, after re-reading the comments I take your point. But I really don't think 'roland' deserves the compliment of reasoned arguments ! I think my reaction was a bit knee-jerk simply because of all the leftards around on some blogs, who, immediately anyone disagrees with them, start yelping 'ban', 'ban'. Also I didn't note the post from Marisol. My fault.
Wonder how long it's going to take before a plea of temporary insanity is going to be entered on the father's behalf? That's the old cop out, isn't it?
Son of Walker wrote:
"I sing the praises of Roland."
My obscure allusion to "The Song of Roland."
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I got the reference, Dag. I have often wondered about "roland"—this is hardly a common name, and it is in any case most likely that "roland" is a "nom de web".
It does indeed seem passing strange that "roland" would adopt such a handle. Of course, the historic Roland may have just been involved in some sort of skirmish with Basque raiders—but there is no doubt that the Roland of the classic chanson is an honored anti-Jihad hero.
Some people have so little confidence in the reading comprehension of others that they sometimes write "Scarc" to show they are being sarcastic. If it's necessary to do so I'd be one to forget sarcasm at all. But I don't bother with sarcasm, myself. In the case above in which I responded that Steffan Larsen should be banned, I was not sarcastic. That comment of mine is closer to the realm of ridicule. It's a degree of magnitude different.
No, I am not arguing that Steffen Larsen be banned, and especially not on the grounds that "I don't like him." That would be -- not sarcasm-- it would RIDICULE. It is ridiculous to suggest that one be banned on my say so. It is less than obvious? Looks like. Am I worried? No. Those who don't get it should be banned so they stop pissing me off.
Am I a Muslim?
Oh, lord. Why did God invent cyanide if people don't use it? I do not understand this world at all sometimes.
This is late in the day for this comment section, and I think it unlikely that anyone will stop in to review this last comment, so allow me to indulge myself with a bit of humor:
A minister was, after a long and successful career, found to be illiterate. His congregation liked him but had to let him go because he couldn't read or write. They gave him a severance package, which he used to go into a small business, wiggets. He was very successful in this, and opened a second, and a third store, going on to have many stores.
A former congregant met him one day on the street and said, "You are such a success. Imagine what you could do if you could read and write."
The man responded, "I could have been a minister."
It's a simple story, but some are going to miss the point, and I'm not going to explain it. My point is that reading and writing doesn't make anyone smart or good. Northrop Frye writes that education doesn't make a bad man good. It makes him dangerous.
Reading and writing does not make a silly writer smart, it exposes him as silly. A smart man sees this, even if he is not able to read. So, we roll with it. Not everyone is Huge Fitzgerald. Not everyone is Roland. Some writers are particularly dense, and yet they think themselves smarter than others who cannot even read. Maybe so they are. I look for evidence of such in the writing, not in the claiming so.
This thread is supposed to be about a 13 year old girl who was beaten to death by her Muslim father. One would hardly know from reading the comments. That's not a bad thing, per se, because this forum is not to write about the dead but to learn about the living.
The dead will continue to haunt these pages, as will a range of thinkers and typists. Chances are that till the bell tolls for me, I too will continue to haunt this hall as well. The company isn't always to my liking, but it turns out I am not universally loved either. Such is this mysterious life we call living.
For the umpteenth time - why are we allowing these disgusting people to enter our free and democratic country?
End of moslem immigration, end of problem - what's so hard to understand about that?