The disturbing question: how many in the same area sympathize with the Khadrs? This is what the cocky war criminal will come home to after a paltry 8-year sentence for killing a Special Forces medic with a grenade. And his folks must be so proud.
"Doctor brands Omar Khadr 'highly dangerous,' cites strong ties to radical family," from the Canadian Press, October 26:
GUANTANAMO BAY, CUBA Omar Khadr is an angry, bitter and remorseless jihadist with strong ties to his "al-Qaeda family," a prosecution psychiatrist told a sentencing hearing Tuesday for the newly convicted Canadian-born war criminal.
Khadr's mother, brothers and sister, who live in Toronto, have all expressed support for violent jihad, Dr. Michael Welner told the court as he described Khadr as the "white sheep" of the family.
During eight years in custody at the U.S. military's infamous Guantanamo Bay prison, Khadr has "marinated in radical jihadism" and grown more devout, Welner said.
"He's highly dangerous. It is his belief that he should not have been here for a day ... and that it is everybody else's fault that he is."
The jurors also heard that the "charming" and "very gracious" Khadr is considered a religious leader by other inmates at Camp 4, where he is housed.
"He murdered," Welner said. "He murdered an American soldier, which is the ultimate prize in Camp 4."
The testimony capped a day in which court heard how, in the midst of a firefight in Afghanistan in 2002, a 15-year-old Khadr -- convinced he was about to die -- decided to try to kill as many Americans as he could.
The seven U.S. military officers listened intently as U.S. prosecutor Jeff Groharing read into the record the 50-paragraph agreed statement of facts that form the underpinning of Khadr's guilty plea the day before.
The statement described how Khadr, with U.S. soldiers on his doorstep, tossed a Russian-made F1 grenade from behind a wall, dealing a mortal head wound to Sergeant First Class Christopher Speer, who succumbed to his injuries 12 days later.
"Khadr threw the grenade with the specific intent of killing or injuring as many Americans as he could," Groharing read.
The Toronto-born Khadr, now 24, was holed up with other members of a terrorist cell in a compound that was coming under American attack. They made a "pact" that they would sooner die than surrender to their western enemies. He was shot twice by a U.S. Special Forces soldier, and found badly wounded in the rubble of the compound, which had been hit by two 500-pound bombs. He was also blinded in one eye by shrapnel during the attack.
Khadr -- who pleaded guilty Monday to five war-crimes charges, including Speer's murder -- admitted to being "happy" at the news that he had killed an American soldier.
Khadr also admitted to receiving terrorist training throughout his late childhood and early teens during travels with his father, an associate of Osama bin Laden, in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
The jury will decide what sentence Khadr deserves, although he won't serve more time than the eight years set out in the plea-bargain. The panel hasn't been told of the cap.
Part of that deal is that Khadr would be allowed to apply for a transfer to a Canadian facility after one more year in U.S. custody, something Welner said was problematic.
"There is no deradicalization program in Canada," he said.
"There is no deradicalization program in Canada," he said.
Aight. In other words, Canada has no program to help mahoundians ditch their black-stone worshipping for atheism, agnosticism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity or Animism.
But wait, it isn't just Canada that doesn't have such a program. It's the whole Western world is in sore need of something like this.
Marisol's question: "How many in the same area sympathize with the Khadrs?"
Answer: As a percentage, probably close to 100%, How could it be otherwise if the Quran and all those Islamic legal "scholars" state, repeatedly, that the "lesser" jihad is a duty imposed on all Muslims, with only the infirm and elderly somewhat excused.
And if Muslims confined their jihad activities solely to the greater jihad, of dealing with personal issues, the non-Muslim world wouldn't care one way or the other. It is the lesser jihad however, the one where Muslims attempt to impose Islam on the entire world by any means possible, that is worrisome and quite often deadly.
Here is a video link about the trial:
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?rn=222561&cl=22650962&ch=1329521
"Khadr's mother, brothers and sister, who live in Toronto, have all expressed support for violent jihad, Dr. Michael Welner told the court as he described Khadr as the "white sheep" of the family."
Once again, as I commented in another thread, I think the families of people like Khadr should be immediately stripped of their citizenship and deported. That this openly jihadist family is allowed to remain in Canada, living off the taxpayers' dime, boggles the mind.
Not sure a threat of this nature would do any good, but it's a start.
Ima
"There is no deradicalization program in Canada," he said.
Why would they need one of those? All Mahoundians living in Canada are peaceful aren't they?
What is a "white sheep"? I've heard the expression "black sheep of the family" - is "white sheep" the PCMC version?
This happy to kill jihadist pleaded guilty to five war-crimes charges, including Speer's murder, and he only gets 8 years in a plea bargain?!
Why was our military so stupid as allowed killers like him to "marinated in radical jihadism" at Gitmo? How? I was amazed at the stupidity of allowing the Gitmo prisoners to have Qu'rans which only inspire their jihadiam & resistance.
This man is a hero to our enemies and very happy - he goes back to his cheering family and feels rewarded for his killings. Our enemies must marvel at what wussies we infidels are, and so do I.
This jihadist will be walking the street of Toronto by next Christmas, so the mindless left will feel whole again. That's the deal here.
Ezra Levant: http://ezralevant.com/2010/10/murderer-omar-khadr-will-be-on.html
"There is no deradicalization program in Canada," "deradicalization"?????????????!!! it is hilarious the amount of acronyms that are being thrown into this Islam indigestion fiasco in the West
The De radicalization program should start by keeping radicals and their families out. Silly me though for such a thought.
The disturbing question: how many in the same area sympathize with the Khadrs?
Well, one thing to keep in mind when mulling this question is the bust where middle class Moslems (aka Moderate Moslems) living across Canada were discovered to have donated millions to various Jihad terror war "charity" front organizations.
May piece and blessings be upon theeem.
Dr. Michael Welner told the court as he described Khadr as the "white sheep" of the family."
Did the late, grate Ayatollah Khomeini issue a fatwa on bestial sex with sheep?
I read his fatwa for when & how Moslem Men should have sex with goats, and that was quite moving, I'll tellya.
Two headline at Fox News right now:
"As much as $1 billion in U.S. aid ends up in the hands of the Taliban and other insurgency groups"
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/27/aid-winds-taliban-coffers/
and
"VA Man Arrested For Plotting DC Attacks"
http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/10/27/man-arrested-in-va-for-terror-offenses/
We must all have a learning deficiency.
"The jury will decide what sentence Khadr deserves..."
Why is plea bargaining even an option for premeditated murder, especially if it is on religious grounds? A death sentence would have saved our Canadian friends the inconvenience and expense of devoting considerable judicial resources to this fellow a few years down the road, and maybe a few lives, as well.
We must all have a learning deficiency.
We all have an Islam Fictive Reality, Sounder. So you're right living inside the bubble of the Islam Fictive Reality we all do have a learning deficiency. That's how Fictive Realities work.
Alarmed, you commented about Fictive Reality in a post from about a week ago http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/10/jihadist-cleric-al-awlaki-lunched-at-pentagon-after-911.html that I thought captured the concept better than I have seen before. With your permission, I'd like to quote for the benefit of those who might have missed it.
To name is to know, to know is to control. To fail to properly name is to lose control. It's not political correctness, it's Fictive Reality, a psychedelic world where fake facts become so widespread and accepted as true by the uncritical masses, a world in which self-censorship among us reality oriented folk is an absolute must. And that's what gives the globo-socialists and multiculturalists (racists) -- largely the same crowd -- their power: cuz self-censorship is by far the effective form of censorship.
Those who give voice to PC talk actually believe the underlying predicates of their statements, which are total bullsheet when fact checked. And so do those who hear them without objection.
The underlying principles require a suspension of disbelief, willful ignorance, and a truckload of gullibility married to an obtrusiveness made especially nasty by pious intent. All these predicates are manufactured daily by big hearted globo-socialists and racists who occupy public office, professorships, news entertainment posts, gubmint bureaucrat positions, judges, legislators, priests and rabbis, K-12 teachers, and more.
A beautiful encapsulation of the problem. I've bookmarked and saved it for future usage.
The truth is even worse. Canadian convicts can apply for parole, after serving 20% of their sentence. With time-served, Khadr could be walking within days after arriving in Canada.
In one 2002 Globe and Mail story, Mama al-Qaeda was quoted - viz getting immediate release for her "innocent" co-terrorist spawn - saying, "We are not begging for our rights; we are demanding them." Great: West Muslims get subsidized jihad. But why not? Saint Bush gave Iraq to Iran, while Pakistan is licking its lips, in anticipation of the end of talibanimal containment. Subsidized jihad: what a concept!!! In December 2002, while Saint Bush was begging for an armistice with "taliban light" (remember them?), I said that if the US forced NATO to indulge his saud scripted Afghanistan policy, then the US would leave that territorial-demographic cess pool like the proverbial beaten dog: with its tail between its legs, and the lives of abused soldiers being nothing but a sad memory.
While US Gov attornies have presented evidence of Khadr's jihad swagger, in the narrow context of a trial. Why don't they release audio or video proof of same? Videos are everywhere at Gitmo. Subsidized jihad, I guess.
someone should snipe this SOB.somethng the special forces should of did in the first place.
but his lawyer said he's a good kid. maybe we should check out his lawyer. anyway, here's an interesting aside: korans make great beer coasters.
but his lawyer said he is a good kid. maybe we should check him out. anyway, here's an interesting fun fact--korans make great beer mug coasters.
Kahdr will be welcomed back to Canada by a multitude of secular, left wing sycophants who believe, as a child soldier manipulated by his father, precious little Omar should never have been arrested for the murder of a U.S. soldier in the first place. These aging adherents to Pierre Trudeau's absurd policy of multiculturalsim still believe that Muslims can be integrated into Canadian society and, with a liberal dose of appeasement, become model citizens, despite a burgeoning file of worldwide evidence to the contrary. God help Canada, the U.S. and Europe.
I would like to say I have read Jihad Watch for many years and usually agree with most of the people that reply.. But today I disagree..
Omar Khadr, born in Toronto, Canada is a Pakistane/Canadian, he is now 24 and was only 15 years old when captured.. A "child soldier" a kid that was unfortunate with his choice of parents..He is also the last Western prisoner being held at Guantanamo Bay.. All other nations have repatriated their Gitmo detainees..
He was brought to Guantanamo,more dead than alive, was tortured. locked up, without a trial for 8 years..
Article 37 of the UN Convention on the rights of the child limits the punishment that child solders,(under 18) can receive.. Canada has ratified this convention and the USA has signed it..I wonder when Canada and the USA decided it was Ok to disregard this document???
I would like to say I have read Jihad Watch for many years and usually agree with most of the people that reply.. But today I disagree..
Omar Khadr, born in Toronto, Canada is a Pakistane/Canadian, he is now 24 and was only 15 years old when captured.. A "child soldier" a kid that was unfortunate with his choice of parents..He is also the last Western prisoner being held at Guantanamo Bay.. All other nations have repatriated their Gitmo detainees..
He was brought to Guantanamo,more dead than alive, was tortured. locked up, without a trial for 8 years..
Article 37 of the UN Convention on the rights of the child limits the punishment that child solders,(under 18) can receive.. Canada has ratified this convention and the USA has signed it..I wonder when Canada and the USA decided it was Ok to disregard this document???