This story about Campbell's Soups in Canada introducing a halal line has gone all over the place -- mostly to hard-Left sites that, either out of ignorance or complicity, missed the main point. Many predictably cried "bigotry!," pretending that I was objecting to the idea of a halal soup line in general. Actually, I couldn't care less if Campbell's Soup introduces a halal line: if there are Muslims in Canada who will buy the soup, then that's the free market for you. Nor is it a sign of Sharia coming to America, unless Campbell's is planning to make all of its products halal, which it is not.
The real problem here is that Campbell's is getting halal certification from the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). At TPMMuckraker, hard-Left pseudo-journalistic ideologue Rachel Slajda implies that the links between ISNA, Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood are coming from me, rather than being demonstrable fact; she does deign to tell her luckless readers that "ISNA was, along with the Council on American-Islamic Relations and other Muslim American organizations, named as a co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation trial," but doesn't see fit to inform them further that the Holy Land Foundation trial was all about funding Hamas.
In reality, ISNA has admitted ties to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. Campbell's Soup should know better, although it must also be noted at the same time that they'd be hard-pressed to find a halal authority that didn't have some unsavory ties to an Islamic supremacist and/or jihadist group, whether it be the Brotherhood or one of its allied organizations. That is the chief viable argument against any introduction of halal food lines by any company.
Diabolical disorientation anyone? It's head bangin', blood lettin' good.
WHY is there a GUN on the logo?
Hamas is supported by Al Qaeda, Bin Laden and Al Qaeda have given their support to Hamas therefore every tin of soup you buy helps to support the people who are killing your soldiers, if not monetarily by giving encouragement.
Campbells soup = dead Americans.
Well, Halal **IS** a problem per se if you care about gratuitous animal suffering. Where is PETA on this??
I'm guessing they are hiding behind the pants suits of the women's movement, also glaringly absent from the war on Islamic abuses, even when those abuses go to the heart of the very issues for PETA and NOW exist.
Cowards...
I sent an email from the web page cited here.
campbellsoup.ca/en/talk/contact.asp
I simply asked if Campbell was producing halal products. No answer after three days. I will be following up my email.
I suggest everyone send a similar query. If they are catering to Muslims then they can sell to them. But they will not sell another product to me.
We have the economic upper hand, let's use it!
Follow the money!!
Correct me if I am wrong, but, as with Kosher products, the designating authority receives money to say the product is Kosher. Is this group also going to receive funds to say their product is halal?
I agree with Guy Macher. We should definitely boycott, and make sure Campbell's knows exactly why. They can cater to Muslims, or cater to the civilized world, but not both.
I must say I was surprised to read that Robert did not mind if Campbell's made the choice to intoduce a halal line of products, as it would be their choice in a free market. While I'm also a big believer in the free market, I think halal products in any civilized, free society are a huge problem because: 1.) Halal slaughter, like all of Islam, has a very deliberate cruel aspect to it: in halal slaughter, the animal must be alive and FULLY CONSCIOUS when its carotid and jugular veins (not the entire neck) are slit. This leads to a slow, agonizing death for the animal. In many Islamic countries, the animal is also tormented and tortured as it slowly dies, as they believe that the rush of adrenaline from the panicked, tortured animal "makes the meat more flavorful". By contrast, American humane slaughter laws stipulate that the animals must be stunned unconscious before slaughter. So, 2.) Why should we change our humane slaughter laws (this would be the eventual outcome of allowing halal) to appease sadistic barbarian savages? Is that not one more step in the direction of Sharia, and thus, must be adamantly and aggressively opposed by all who love freedom and civility?
I think we should never allow halal products in the US (although I know they are already here) for reasons of protecting animals from cruelty, and for taking a stand against further inroads of Sharia into our country.
Doesn't anyone see the big picture...... Robert ?...... Of all people, my friend, you should be screaming from the rooftops as loud as possible.
It's total logistics.... Halal food production is an all-encompassing seed/birth-to-production-to-consumption thing.
To do it right, no non-Muslim may touch or handle Halal food from beginning to end.
Let that sink in for a minute or two. Think big picture...... no...... bigger.
See it yet ?...... It's a complete takeover..... Farms/ranches, transport, production, transport, wholesaler, transport, retailer-to-the-consumer.
The book (this is not a sales thing, it's a page at Texas A&M University's website): http://foodprotein.tamu.edu/extrusion/bookhalal.php
A 25-page PDF for basic supervisory guidelines: http://foodprotein.tamu.edu/extrusion/documents/publications/Halal%20Industrial%20Production%20Standards.pdf
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As for what Americans can do about it....... Like Robert said above, if people want Halal food, fine, enjoy yourself, go for it..... identify the market, start the businesses and have at it.... Get some investors, create jobs...... If the market is big enough, maybe one or two of the major companies will create separate divisions to deal with it and make some cash for their shareholders (of which I would never be one - I don't support genocidal maniacs and those who do).
But know this..... The Muslims ARE moving in...... They have been for quite a long time...... Remember the mess at Hormel in Minnesota way back when ?....... How about the literal entire communities and families being brought over here ?
Better start looking into how many Muslims are actually in the food production system and overall logistics here in America...... and do it quick.
I'm just one person with the same resources as anyone else and can only do so much.
Kenny Solomon
South Florida
A lot of halal meat requires a lot of halal butchers and a lot of slaughter houses dedicated to ritual slaughter...This will turn into a drain rather than a profit because halal meat takes more time than regular slaughter, and time is money...It may be profitable if every Muslim in Canada/US ate two or three cans of soup a day...Or the price of halal would go up to cover the additional costs...but otherwise Campbells halal adventures are a bad business investment...Will lose money, and will eventually be abandoned...
My objection with Halal has to do with the Islamic Blessing over the meat. Some people may ridicule that and on one leftists site they did just that. However, I don't want someone else's religion forced upon me.
As for the slaughter method of the animal, I don't think its much different than Kosher method of slaughter. Dead is dead in my view. The other issue that I don't agree with is that ONLY a muslim can do the slaughter which means that there will have to be more muslims around to do that.
IF Muslims want to open their own line of foods such as what the Jewish people have done, that is totally fine with me. A capitalist society allows for that and if the demand is there it will thrive. I don't want Campbells to make their entire line Halal just to satisfy 1% of the total population. That is completely ridiculous.
Why label the vegetable soups? Surely Campbells Tomato and other soups made purely of veggies are acceptable anyway. And doesn't Campbells have a vegetarian line? They don't have to mutter allahu akbar over peas and carrots, do they?
I almost never see food labeled kosher in the grocery store. With muslims, though, it's always "in your face", all the time. Jewish people are smart enough to figure out what foods are acceptable to them without labeling everything.
Muslims.....not so smart.
Halal certification is a money maker for the imams who give their blessings to the infidel surrender of their animals to muslim butchers.
In other words, its more money for the jihad.
I checked a local supermarket (Ottawa, land of the Algonquins) and sure enough I found Campbell's tomato and chicken broth soup with ISNA logo was on shelf. Not our own certification from CIC (Canadian Islamic Congress) but the hated Yankee pussyfooting Islamic apostates want to dictate halal standard to Canada.... our native land, formerly under thy sons' command (anthem wording currently under revision for sexism).
Since I don't like tomato soup or chicken broth, ie could not meaningfully participate in a boycott, I arranged for an accident, deforming a can of tortured tomatoes with a wheel of the cart.
Frankly, if Islam in the West were simply a matter of people wanting their meat and meat broth from bled out animals with cloven hooves that chew the cud (plus chickens, ducks, turkeys and quail), I would simply say "Ho-hum. It's a pity that they don't realize that the Messiah declared all foods clean back in Mark chapter 7."
Maybe, if people are worried about the politicization of a major food corporation's wanting market share from a growing market, they should ask the anti-violence Muslims to stand up and be counted.
I personally boycott ALL products that come from an Islamic country or boast that they are Halal simply because of the unfair calls to boycott Israeli products. But more than that: I try to buy as much and as many products which have the label "made in Israel". I can tell you I do have quite a selection of salad bowls made in Israel and I have come to like very much the little baked glutein-free bretzels made in Israel. (Here (in Australia) you will find Arab made products, like dried Apricots from Algeria at eyelevel, and the Israeli products often at the very bottom of the shelves, a underhanded tactic, so watch out.
Incidentally, I am not even Jewish. I just have had it with the vilification of the Jewish people, Israel and the mounting Anti-Semitism.
Hear Hear!!!
"....This leads to a slow, agonizing death for the animal. In many Islamic countries, the animal is also tormented and tortured as it slowly dies, as they believe that the rush of adrenaline from the panicked, tortured animal "makes the meat more..."
^^^Somehow, reading this part, and replacing "animal" with "woman/girl" makes me think of the stonings of those poor creatures....
For Study:
Mark 7 (especially Mark 7:19, omitting the inserted text); Acts 15:29, 21:25; 1 Corinthians 8; Revelation 2:14, 2:20
Christians should NOT eat halal.
Christians should also not enter into contracts to engage in the commercial production of halal foods.
2 Corinthians 6:14-17
I, for one, will not purchase Campbell's Soup or any of their other products simply because I will not, by buying Campbell's products imply agreement with what these terrorist groups are doing!
The ideology of Islam seeks to plunder and subjugate non-Muslims until they are either slaves, convert to Islam, or are murdered. Such is in support of the Islamic mandate that Muslims be privileged and supported by non-Muslims. In poorer populations (like in Africa), jihad by the sword is easier for their purpose. In richer countries, like the U.S., global jihadists have to first ruin the economy (i.e., raise the price of oil, causing economic havoc, causing eventual plundering of the housing and business markets, buying up America for Islam)before they can fully step up the violent (social) takeover and enforcement of Sharia. If large companies can be purchased in the recession and converted to halal, wherein only Muslims touch the product thus putting non-Muslims out of work, and profits used to support Muslim charities (Muslim charities can only help Muslims), then the non-Muslim population would be supporting their own demise by buying those products. Of course, we also buy oil from terrorist countries.
Beyond doing business with Hamas linked ISNA, what jumped out at me about this issue is the way animals are slaughtered for halal. These should be reasons enough for most people to be against Campbells doing this. If people who are against Campbells line of halal products are being called bigots, then what should people who support the line be called? They have no sympathy for the avoidable suffering of animals, and they don't even care that the products will help finance islamic terrorists. Robert is correct, Campbells has a right to sell to whatever market it sees fit to sell to, but as a consumer I have a right to buy or not buy whatever products I wish to. To me the marketing of halal products is enough, I will no longer buy Campbells products (Progresso is a much better soup anyway). I am not a bigot, but I do like to be merciful to the animals I consume. The animals should be killed quickly and humanely.
In England we have just found out that many food stores are selling meat which has been slaughtered by the cruel Halal method. Of course they kept this a secret from us Christians and others.
I do not like being conned in this way and I particularly do not want to be part of a procedure which is so cruel to animals. As a Christian, I do not want another religions prayers said over my food but the main thing is the torture, pain and fear of the poor creatures during their ritual slaughter.
Anyway, why do 5% of the population of the UK seem to dictate the food slaughtering procedures for the other 95%?
Halal is something which should never be tolerated in a decent society. It is too cruel to the animals. However, how do you bleed out a tomato?
You wrote, "I almost never see food labeled kosher in the grocery store."
You see it all the time, you just don't know it. Most foods that are certified kosher have a special symbol indicating which organization provided the certification. Sometimes the word 'kosher' does appear. Sometimes it's printed in Hebrew: כשר
Here's a website that shows a common kosher symbol on a bottle ofHeinz ketchup. That page also mentions some of the other kosher symbols that are used.
I'm not against this; I'm an Orthodox Jew, and I only eat kosher food!
Yes, Heinz pays for kosher supervision. And they do it for purely capitalistic reasons: It generates increased sales. I don't care if products are certified halal, so long as the person or organization doing the certifying isn't using the money to support terrorism.
Note: Kosher supervision doesn't involve any blessings. The supervisor is just certifying that the ingredients and processing don't violate the kosher rules.