Why is Reza Aslan taken seriously?

Reza Aslan is a Muslim writer who has been shown to play fast and loose with the facts before.

On ABC's "This Week" this past Sunday, a pointless exercise in whitewashing jihad from which most of what I said was edited out, Aslan said to me, "No one is taking you seriously."

Well, heavens to betsy, by all means we should take Reza Aslan seriously, shouldn't we? And a serious character is always ready to back up his assertions with evidence, isn't he?

So let's see if Reza Aslan is really to be taken seriously at all. Here are some of the claims he made on "This Week":

Well, [SIOA] comes from the - an organization, a neo - not - what the E.U. refers to as the neo-Nazi organization called Stop Islamization of Europe.

Please provide documentation, Mr. Aslan, for your claim that the EU, or any other government or law enforcement authority, has ever referred to SIOE as a neo-Nazi organization -- which it in fact is not.

Also, you are a Board member for the National Iranian American Council (NIAC), which has clear links to the Islamic Republic of Iran, and you have called for the U.S. to "squeeze a deal out of" Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Don't you think it's ironic to call me, a defender of Israel and of human rights, a neo-Nazi while you are a Board member of an organization linked to a genocidally antisemitic regime, and want the U.S. to make a deal with a man who blames Israel for 9/11 and has called numerous times for its eradication? Who is really the neo-Nazi here?

Robert Spencer is quite famous for spewing nonsense, and this is - this is more nonsense that every single -media matters-- every single non-partisan media organization has said, quite clearly, every word that came out of Robert Spencer's mouth - the reason that he's the only one who said this is that he's the only one who actually has this information.

This bit of incoherence came in response to my pointing out that Muslims have fabricated anti-Muslim hate crimes in the past, which is amply documented by Daniel Pipes and Sharon Chadha here. So much for my evidence for the assertion that I made.

But what about Aslan's claim that Media Matters is "non-partisan"? Please provide evidence, Mr. Aslan, that Media Matters is not a relentlessly partisan, hard-Left propaganda organ bent on smearing and discrediting anyone considered to be on the Right (actually I believe that defense against the jihad is not a Left/Right issue, but of course anti-jihadists in general are routinely dismissed as "far Right"). This evidence could come in the form of Media Matters ever offering a debunking of anything said by, say, Keith Olbermann, or ever vouching for the accuracy of anything said by, say, Rush Limbaugh.

I'm going to go ahead and trust the FBI instead of Robert Spencer when it comes to the rise in Muslim hate crimes.

How do you square this statement, Mr. Aslan, with the FBI's actual data, which shows that hate crimes against Muslims are actually rare?

Those studies have already been bunked [sic] by everybody.

Aslan said this in response to my reference to three separate studies -- Sheikh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani's in 1998, the Center for Religious Freedom's in 2005, and the Mapping Sharia Project's in 2008 -- that independently showed that upwards of 80% of mosques in America were preaching hatred of Jews and Christians and the necessity ultimately to impose Islamic rule. Please provide evidence, Mr. Aslan, that any or all of these studies have actually been "bunked," by anybody, much less "everybody."

He will not answer this, of course. He won't and he can't, because he has no facts to back up his claims. On "This Week," Reza Aslan was lying again.

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>>Well, [SIOA] comes from the - an organization, a neo - not - what the E.U. refers to as the neo-Nazi organization called Stop Islamization of Europe.

Neo Nazi ? I think this guy "Reza Aslan" has very less info about reality... Stephen Gash is openly anti-Nazis, and so do Andres Gravers...

In fact SIOE members were attacked by nazi thugs in recent past...

on the other hand, we know that Islamic republic leaders have direct affiliation to NAzi past as well as NAzi-system...

http://tellthechildrenthetruth.com/iran_en.html

When I heard him accuse you of lying with every word, I thought here, at last, is a lawsuit that should happen. Barring that, surely there must be some forum for forcing a discussion and beating him down incisively. Sam Harris had a chance on that book show (?). You'd be so good.

Mind you there is one person who I think you might not actually hold your own with: that O'Connor woman who was on the show. Just kidding!

I try to leaflet this guy every time he comes to my town.

Robert, check out this debate with Sam Harris:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5og-hyD3A7A

Reza offers not much else than scewed logic, ad hominem attacks and support for the muslim brotherhood. I lost all intellectual respect for him after listening to this performance.

So Reza is now applying the same tactics to you. Don't worry, lies have short legs, in the long run the truth will win!

Much more fitting to replace Robert Spencer with Reze Aslan in this, and much more educational as well:

"Reza Aslan is an extreme bigot against anyone telling the truth about Islam:

In fact, Reza Aslan is quite famous for spewing nonsense, and this is - this is more nonsense that every single -media matters-- every single non-partisan media organization has said, quite clearly, every word that came out of Reza Aslan's mouth - the reason that he's the only one who said this is that he's the only one who actually has this information."

Gee, that's the most accurate information I've ever heard about Reza Aslan!

Debunked means disproved.

'Bunked' must, therefore, mean proved!

So in this instance, he was (inadvertently) NOT lying!

I would like to know how much of this show was edited out. Does anyone know?

My recollection is that Reza Aslan slandered one of the "This Week" panelists by emphasizing the word bigotry. The panelist may in fact have been engaging in "stereotyping," but this does not constitute "bigotry," which is defined as:

a stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

On the other hand, Islamic doctrine seems to fit this definition rather well. Sura 9:33, which is not quoted often enough reads:

"It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the true faith in order to make it superior to other systems of belief ...." (Al-Qur'an translated by Ahmed Ali, 1993).

The "true faith," being "superior," has a rather sordid history of treating "inferior" faiths (all the world's other faiths) and their followers with profound "intolerance" or, to use Aslan's pet word, "bigotry."

That's a very good question, Tyrone. The editors have complete control over how the footage is combined to put whatever spin they wish on the story, which would have been the POV that was pitched internally to ABC management in order to budget and schedule the program. In short, Robert was set up for this story, his role preordained by the writers and producer, and his statements were edited to fit the role he was preassigned. It was a foregone conclusion that any statement he made, no matter how clever or irrefutable or true, would have made the cut if it did not conform to the script.

Typically something like 95% of the raw footage on any shoot ends up on the cutting room floor. (This is obsolete language, of course. In reality, the "footage" is HDTV video from multiple cameras, stored on hard disk arrays accessed by nonlinear editors and combined with graphic overlays and music, etc. into a final product.) Robert, you should look into the possibility of obtaining the raw, unedited footage shot by ABC, say in the form of compressed mpg or flv files via an ftp download. Although it's almost certain that ABC will refuse, merely making the request and following up on the various excuses they give will be a valuable learning experience about the details of how shows are made. In particular, it will provide you with data that may be used to negotiate the terms for accepting requests to appear on other shows like this.

". . . Aslan said to me [Robert Spencer}, 'No one is taking you [RS] seriously.'"

Robert, I can ASSURE you that I am taking you very seriously, and to the extent that I am able I am spreading word of what you know and what you're able to teach far and wide. What you state and teach resonates with the truth.

What we have recently witnessed with ABC's efforts at promoting Islam, not simply discussing it, is in full alignment with the MSM and left generally to discredit the underlying Judeo-Christian ethos forming those successful core values which continue to enlighten the world.

When we see the lying and bend-over-backwards efforts towards promoting an abject system called Islam I am more encouraged than ever, being reminded of Jesus's words about the witness that His church would provide, "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

"Gates of hell." That's pretty strong language. Take heart.

"War is deceit." Why would anyone expect a Muslim spokesperson to tell the truth?

I just wanted to add what in my opinion is a bit of humor however irrelevant it might be. My observation on reza asslan is that with that hair and those glasses he very much resembles the old SNL character "church lady". That's all. The reza asslan is the islamic church lady to me. "Well isn't that special?" At least anjem choudary tells the truth which therefore in my opinion makes asslan a far more slimier worm.

Another one to watch is Fareed Zakaria. Every single time he opens his lips is something about downfall of America, how great Islam is, etc ,etc., etc

Those studies have already been bunked [sic] by everybody

Sorry Robert, I had to laugh at Reza saying "bunked" while watching the show, that's funny, I don't care who you are.

I kept yelling at the TV, HAS THAT BEEN BUNKED TOO REZA!!

Those studies have already been bunked [sic] by everybody

Sorry Robert, I had to laugh at Reza saying "bunked" while watching the show, that's funny, I don't care who you are.

I kept yelling at the TV, HAS THAT BEEN BUNKED TOO REZA!!

Ryan Shields , the mosque lady! lol

Ryan Shields , the mosque lady! l

Sorry again, don't know what the problem is,

Maybe the mod can delete?

The pathetic, slanderous joke of a website, "loonwatch", has a page entitled "All Terrorists are Muslims... Except the 94% that aren't." On this page, loonwatch attempts to show that the vast majority of terror attacks are committed in the name of causes other than Islamic Jihad. They do this by using RAND, Europol and FBI statistics. Now, their analysis is faulty for a number of ways.

1. They act as if this is an argument ender the world over, whereas the statistics they use are only for twelve EU nations and the U.S.A. Had they included African and Asian nations, the list would have quickly and drastically swung toward a huge Islamic majority. This single little detail makes the attempt by leftists to use these statistics to paint a picture that applies to the world all the more laughable, duplicitious and pathetic.

2. The statistics they use, including the FBI statistics, are incomplete. For example, Jamaat ul-Fuqra has committed at least 17 murders, and numerous robberies and bombings, in the United States, and yet are only mentioned 3 times (one for a shooting, once for a bombing, and once for an arson). Ali Abu Kamal, Palestinian Jihadist, is not on the list. The Washington Snipers, Malvo and Muhammad, are missing from the list, when their motive was clearly Jihad, as anyone who honestly examines at Malvo's writings will determine:


http://undhimmi.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/malvo_jihad_drawing_allahs_will.jpg

http://undhimmi.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/malvo_jihad_drawing_inshallah.jpg

http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/2783131.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921F7C3FC3F69D929FDE00DB2130CBF9D452324427839C999B627D65141D9D4F664E30A760B0D811297

El Sayyid Nosair is not included by the FBI. Hasan Akbar, Naveed Haq, Taheri-azar, Omeed Popal, Joel Hinrichs, Damir Igric, Patrick Gott, Michael Ford, Sulejmon Talovic, and numerous other Jihadists, attempted Jihadists and material supporters of Jihadists have been ommitted from the FBI list. As such, their statistics cannot be trusted.

Anyway, the point of this post is to show that the FBI cannot be trusted in the slightest, at least not using their current statistics, when it comes to the Jihad and terrorism in general, when it comes to parsing how widespread terror in the name of different causes may be.

An addition to my previous post;

Most of the terror attacks cited by the FBI, Europol and RAND, and therefore Loonwatch, are not deadly. Most of them are instances of property damage committed by Animal Rights groups. While I am vehemently opposed to sociopathic vegan revolutionaries, I consider freeing animals from a lab or throwing a firebomb and deliberately targeting buildings with no one inside them to be different (indeed, when it comes to violence, the exact opposite) of Islamic Jihadists, who purposely seek out to kill as many people as possible, the massive loss of life rather than government action to support their cause being the immediate tactical goal.

But of course leave it to the leftists to equivocate between breaking a window and opening some cages, and detonating a large quantity of high explosives at a packed intersection.

To Mr. Spencer:

Could you make a post here about all the statements you made on the ABC program that were edited out?

That would be extremely instructive to all readers about how ABC operates.

At least Reza Aslan can't pull the "you don't read the Qur'an in Arabic so you don't really understand it" nonsense. After all, it was only six or seven years ago that Reza Aslan was attempting to learn a little Arabic in a summer course in Cairo; I don't know how he did but I doubt if he can read the Qur'an in Arabic better than Wafa Sultan.

"No one is taking you seriously."
Yes Robert don't you get it?if they do take you seriously they will KILL you.as for Geert Wilders he will loose and it will be another victory for them and probably they will ask to take over the court building and change it to a victory Mosque

Robert
I watched sunday's show,Robert, do you have any idea how ground breaking that show was? At last the world is given the opportunity to,BEHOLD, to WITNESS, just how Islam is going to be exposed.
You sir did a marvelous job on that show.To show compassion as naturally as you did.As I said ground breaking,in that discussions such as sunday's are the new battle fields in the war on terror. I know people will laugh at such ideological thought, but it is in the future!
When I said exposed I was eluding to mt.Hira.Who visited Muhammed?

Did Muhammad's genius usurp the scripture,old and new/,
did Isaac,Ishmael,as Jacob.......was Muhammad.......Esau?
discussions of enlightenment/turning 2 submit/,
it is TIME we turned to TALKING/ 4 the atom hath been split.
What happened on Hira?

infuriating, is it not, to see how Spencer needs to defend himself against the slander of this jihadist jackass Reza Aslan.

Defamation, slander, lies, false victimhood and murderous aggression comes is a package deal, when our elites foolishly permit Islam to spread its tentacles behind enemy lines, in the Bilad al kufar.

When dealing with Allah's willing executioners, there's no such thing as fair play.....

Regarding the "This Week" program, did you catch the editing with respect to Robert? When he spoke, a banner stretched across the screen just under his face, "Islamophobia." However, when the woman in favor of the mosque spoke, the banner said something to the effect of, "A Way Forward?"

If our media persists in assigning labels of that nature to people such as Robert who are putting the current affairs in context, the media is no longer serving a news reporting function. Rather, it is using the format to push its own view of the way things are and the way they ought to be. With respect to this particular issue, that is a very unfortunate situation, because it aims to color the information and sway the viewers as the communication goes forth.

Robert, all I know is that the asshat Reza is unable or unwilling to refute any of your arguments.

Consider the source.

I have since contacted ABC NEWS. When you contact ABC NEWS they give you several options to choose from (select ABC Other):

Address of Show
Comment
Complaint
Request Information
Message Boards
Video or Transcript Request
News Story Submission
Tickets

I decided that I would choose Information Request (since complaints appear, to all intents and purposes, to be ignored). An information request is different, right?

Well, it appears that ABC does not care about information requests either. I told them I had heard that this specific segment of "This Week" was highly edited. I told them I recognized the nature and need of video editing (and that large amounts of editing are normal). I then asked for information about the amount of editing done on this specific show as compared to another show of a similar nature.

The response I got back from my "Information Request" appears to have little bearing on my request at all. Instead, it appears I was lumped in with the category of complaints/feedback. Here is how it starts out:

"As you can imagine, we receive thousands of messages a day from our viewers and while we appreciate you taking the time to provide feedback regarding our programming, we are not able to respond to each one directly." This email then goes on to mention automated stuff like buying videos and transcripts.

This is very disheartening. I expected more from Disney/ABC (especially since the recent leadership change). This just makes me sad.


Re: Comments to ABC News

When I tried to contact ABC news, I received two form emails in reply (which is fine).

One of those emails suggested that I return to the ABC website and re-send my email to one of several suggested contacts. When I sent emails to two of those contacts, I received return emails saying the emails were undeliverable. At that point I quit wasting my time, realizing that ABC doesn't want to hear from me any more than it wanted to listen to Robert.


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