Spencer: Wilders' Trial: Win One, Lose One

In FrontPage this morning I discuss the ominous implications of one of the prosecutors' statements in the Stalinist show trial of Geert Wilders:

On Tuesday, as his trial resumed in Amsterdam on various charges of offending Muslims, Dutch freedom fighter Geert Wilders won one victory and suffered one defeat. This is welcome news for Wilders personally, since any acquittal moves him closer to the end of these nightmarish proceedings; however, the ominous implications of his trial in general for the freedom of speech were reinforced on the same day, and those implications could have deleterious effects far beyond the Wilders trial itself.

First, the good news: public prosecutors Birgit van Roessel and Paul Velleman noted that the statements for which he is on trial referred to Islam and the Qur'an, not to Muslims as people - although they did add in the politically correct observation that Wilders' statements might nevertheless hurt Muslims' feelings. Despite that assertion, in a burst of logical thinking unusual in these proceedings, they recommended that since Wilders was speaking about Islamic texts and teachings and not Muslim people, the charge against him of group defamation should be dropped.

That was good as far as it went, although Wilders still faces charges of incitement that are as dangerous as they are vague. The danger of such charges was thrown into vivid relief Tuesday by a chilling statement that the prosecutors made: that Wilders will not be allowed to defend himself from charges of inciting hatred by arguing that what he said was true. Said van Roessel: "You can expect a politician to be aware of the impact of his words and in any case, the legal limit may not be crossed, no matter how important it may be to address supposed problems and to contribute to matters of general interest."

So if the truth is not deemed to "address supposed problems and contribute to matters of general interest," then it may not be spoken. The truth is now inadmissible in Dutch courtrooms - a chilling reality with likely reverberations far beyond the trial of Wilders himself.

By declaring the truth inadmissible in court, the prosecutors have stepped over the boundary of the rule of law into an arrogance of power that historically has led to authoritarianism and totalitarianism, powered by and only capable of being stopped by brute force. For van Roessel did not say, and indeed could not say, who would be given the right or authority to determine whether or a particular truth addressed supposed problems and contributed to matters of general interest, and could thus lawfully be encunciated. If the truth is no longer the criterion of judgment in Dutch courts, then the only thing that can fill the vacuum it will leave is the raw will to power. Judges no longer have to sift evidence and come to a conclusion based thereon; they only need to make sure they are satisfying those with the most money or the biggest guns.

In today's Europe, Islamic supremacists will be only too happy to fill this vacuum, and certainly no difficulty coming up with whatever is required in terms of money and ordnance to bring their will to power to fruition. Authoritarian states abound in the Islamic world, and a rootless and aimless Europe, having utterly severed its own cultural moorings, will be fertile soil before too long to plant new ones.

Dutch authorities have opened the door to the extinguishing not only of the freedom of speech, but of all the other freedoms, arising from the nature and dignity of the human person, that are the hard-won legacy of Western Judeo-Christian civilization. Equality of rights of all people before the law? Citizens of the new Europe will indeed be equal with one another, but only in the sense that all will be equal in having no rights before the almighty state, which alone defines what is acceptable to be thought and said and what isn't.

Europe faces this multifarious hell whether or not Wilders is acquitted of the remaining charges against him: a crucial Rubicon has already been crossed with the trial itself, and if the prosecutors' statement that the truth is no defense is not countermanded and rebuked forthwith by the highest possible relevant authorities, then the darkness will descend upon Europe even more quickly than it did during the halcyon days of the Third Reich.

Even with his partial acquittal Tuesday, Wilders' nightmare - and Europe's - could be just beginning.

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They would have convicted Galileo of incitement for offending believers, despite the truth of heliocentrism.
Can I write this? 2 + 2 = 4

2 + 2 = 4 is OK in Mohammedanism (I think), but some mathematics is definitely forbidden. I refer specifically to the calculation of interest on loans...

Robert, it is the prosecutor that is claiming that telling the truth is no defence. Surely it is up to the judge to decide whether this is actually the case?

" If the truth is no longer the criterion of judgment in Dutch courts, then the only thing that can fill the vacuum it will leave is the raw will to power. Judges no longer have to sift evidence and come to a conclusion based thereon; they only need to make sure they are satisfying those with the most money or the biggest guns."

Robert's description of the reality of the Wilders trial echoes CS Lewis theoretical suppositions of 1943, when he wrote The Abolition of Man. Online here:

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/lewis/abolition2.htm

If this kind of dhimmitud goes on in Europe, soon you will not able to say 'Muhammad marry a 9 year old child' without being sued, the mooslims feel offended!!..

(OT)

Comments that suggest Islam is anything but perfect have been deleted from Princeton's internet newspaper.

Freedom of press the Princeton way.

Maybe if Wilder wields any real power in the Dutch Parliament he can get those hate speech laws repealed?

The people I blame most for this awful "Stalinist show trail" situation are the majority of the Dutch people for being so intellectually lazy and stupid as to not see how important it was to elect Wilders overwhelmingly long ago and change the laws so that there can be no ridiculous Stalinist show trials for offending the devotees of the most intolerant and supremacist warlike cult on the earth.

Evidently Europeans, like so many Americans, are too lazy to really investigate the nature & jihadist history of this horrendous cult but are real suckers for the puppy-dog faces of "moderate" Muslims protesting they are so peaceful and patriotic. They just want you slapped behind bars if you insult their 7th century desert cult or their horrendous "prophet".

The disgusting judges in this Stalinist show trial, disgusting because they think they are so enlightened, deserve the censure and spittle of rational people everywhere who can see the fatal threat to essential freedoms when truth is no defense for speech for the purpose of truth.

The Dutch people, if they are half as intelligent as we thought they were, must stamp out this suicidal nonsense.

2+2=5, for very large values of "2."

2+2 = 5 because Allah revealed Moe to say so.

I am getting very frustrated over trying to post on Loonwatch with some rebuttals of what they are saying about Geert Wilder's trial. This was about 3 hours ago - it came up 'comment awaiting moderation' - went back just now, and no comment ! Did I press the wrong button, or is something more sinister at work ? Anyone here ever tried to post on one of these leftard sites and had the same happen ? (My comment was totally polite by the way !)

Now they're turning their back on honesty, what will these Muslim murderers expect them to give up next? I know this, whatever they give up won't be enough. This beast won't be satisfied until everything is given up.

Marisol,

2+2=5, for very large values of "2."

And, if necessary, more than 5.

It is all up to the judge as it is him who, after considering the necessity, determines the proper value of "2".

The difference of legal procedures in the Free World as opposed to Tyrannical regimes is the "Presumption of innocence" principle, one fundamental to our natural human rights: guilt must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. When a court of law strikes this "presumed innocence", they are de-facto a tyrannical state. Stalin, Mao, all Islamic republics, would understand this explicitly. In their world, you are "guilty until proven innocent". It seems Dutch law has decided on the latter. So using the 'truth' in that circumstances cannot be a defense, since the judges have already proved his "guilt" a-priori. All he can do in such a tyrannical regime's court is beg for 'mercy'. If so, then Holland has joined the tyrannical regimes in principle. This case, to save Holland from legalized tyranny, must be thrown out of court. Or else, this is the beginning of a big European nightmare, sending their civilization back by centuries. Think hard on this.

Jan, I think loonwatch censors quite a bit of commentary. The people whose comments make it don't realize the extent to which they are commenting into an echo chamber. They think there are no good refutations, because loonwatch permits none to appear. From the right, loonwatch will permit genocidal, idiotic, drunken-stupor stream of consciousness comments, or any mediocre easily answered comment from the right, but not reasoned comments backed up with evidence and citations. At least sometimes I've found that true with loonwatch.

Thanks, Traeh. So, basically, it's a waste of time ! Back to writing to my MP ...

GEERT WILDERS ACQUITTAL IS NEAR.

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