"All Christian centres, organisations and institutions, leaders and followers, are legitimate targets for the mujahedeen wherever they can reach them"

Targeting the People of the Book. More on one of the stories Raymond Ibrahim discusses here and Marisol Seibold here. "Qaeda group in Iraq says Christians 'legitimate targets,'" from AFP, November 3 (thanks to Alan of England):

DUBAI (AFP) - An Al-Qaeda group in Iraq has declared Christians "legitimate targets" as a deadline expired for Egypt's Coptic church to free women allegedly held after converting to Islam, SITE monitors said Wednesday.

The self-proclaimed Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) said in an Internet statement its action was justified by the church's refusal to indicate the status of the women it said were being held captive in monasteries, the US-based monitoring group said.

"All Christian centres, organisations and institutions, leaders and followers, are legitimate targets for the mujahedeen (holy warriors) wherever they can reach them," said the statement.

The group which claimed the capturing of Christians in a Baghdad church that ended Sunday with the killing of 46 worshippers in a rescue drama, had said that the attack was to seek the release of the alleged converts in Egypt.

"Let these idolaters, and at their forefront, the hallucinating tyrant of the Vatican, know that the killing sword will not be lifted from the necks of their followers until they declare their innocence from what the dog of the Egyptian Church is doing," the ISI said in its latest statement.

It also demanded that the Christians "show to the mujahedeen their seriousness to pressure this belligerent church to release the captive women from the prisons of their monasteries."

The women, Camilia Shehata and Wafa Constantine, are the wives of Coptic priests whom Islamists have said were forcibly detained by the Coptic Church after they had willingly converted to Islam.

Shehata disappeared for a few days in July, setting off Coptic protests. Police found her and escorted her back home, triggering protests by Islamists who said the church was detaining her after she converted to Islam.

Footage of a woman claiming to be Shehata after converting to Islam surfaced on the Internet, firing up the protests. The Coptic Church says she was not the woman in the footage....

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"All Christian centres, organisations and institutions, leaders and followers, are legitimate targets for the mujahedeen wherever they can reach them"
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Just imagine if some christian group had announced that it was perfectly acceptable to target Muslims, and to target them in mosques and Islamic schools.

Not only would this never happen—but if it possibly could, the rush from other Christian groups to denounce the statements and proclaim their standing with Muslims would be immediate and deafening.

More:

The group which claimed the capturing of Christians in a Baghdad church that ended Sunday with the killing of 46 worshippers in a rescue drama, had said that the attack was to seek the release of the alleged converts in Egypt.
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This could not possibly be more perverse. This reference is to an Egyptian Coptic woman—the wife of a clergyman—who was herself kidnapped by Muslims who would later claim she had converted to Islam.

They then claimed that her rescuers had themselves "kidnapped" her, and were keeping her from Islam.

And now this insanity has moved beyond Egypt itself—where there have been Muslim riots—and has spread to other parts of the Ummah, and has become one more pretext to oppress and murder Christians.

If this were Gaza and not Egypt;

if this were Muslims and not Christian Copts;

then MSM may show some daily interest and empathy;

and who know, we may even get flotilla aid ships.

But, as it is...

Are Christians supposed to be pacifists all the time in the Middle East? Do they think it's a sin for them to defend themselves against these Muslim devils?

Every Islamic regime on earth that are persecuting Christians, Jews, and all other minorities (and which Islamic regime is not?) ought to be toppled and replaced by force. These demonic Islamic regimes and their demonic Muslim followers have no conscience. They cannot be reasoned with. These demonic Islamic regimes should be toppled by the Western nations, and their demonic Muslim followers that are guilty of murders, rape, abduction, etc. should be brought to justice - be imprisoned or executed.

They murder and deny it in the same breath.

The jackass who used to post here under "Evil Taqiyya Artist" just sent me this:


Just because a Muslim does something, it doesn’t mean it’s because of his religion. I have a challenge for you–find me one mainstream scholar who says killing civilians is allowed in Islam.

Everyone from Bernard Lewis to Edward Said agrees with me.

Living stone wrote:

These demonic Islamic regimes and their demonic Muslim followers have no conscience. They cannot be reasoned with. These demonic Islamic regimes should be toppled by the Western nations, and their demonic Muslim followers that are guilty of murders, rape, abduction, etc. should be brought to justice - be imprisoned or executed.
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Well—the Iraqi regime *was* toppled by Western nations, Living Stone, and it made no difference.

That an Iraqi *police commander* was involved in the siege on the church in Baghdad is proof that things have in no way improved for Christians there:

"Iraqi police commander held in jihad mass-murder in Baghdad church"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/11/iraqi-police-commander-held-in-jihad-mass-murder-in-baghdad-church.html

We would have to do a great deal more than just "topple regimes"—because the intrinsic viciousness in Dar-al-Islam isn't merely top-down, but comes from the baleful influence of Islam itself.

Living Stone,

I get exactly what you're saying. And I also agree with gravenimage's post,

"because the intrinsic viciousness in Dar-al-Islam isn't merely top-down, but comes from the baleful influence of Islam itself."

Islam should be outlawed, if only from the standpoint of "common sense." It should be confronted with no less conviction than that given to wiping out communism, naziism, or any other totaliarian ideology, that which is Islam.

Traeh's list of assaults against Christians alone should be commanding total outrage from not only Christians, but from everybody. Sadly, the MSM fails to give these crimes the quarter that is their due.

In my opinion, however, I believe we need to look at the Islam problem less from a religious perspective and more from a humanist point of view. Ideologically, Islam goes against every sane, logical, or compassionate ideal that we as a society (that which is not Islam) have developed as part of OUR culture and as rational human beings. Islam is bad for everybody!

Everyone's posts were excellent. Thanks.

Ima

I would add, however, that Islam is certainly looking at it from a religious perspective. I read the links that traeh left. Mind boggling! Nevertheless, I want to fight for everyone's rights, regardless of their religious beliefs, with the obvious exception.

At what point can we agree, as civilized people, that this cult masquerading as a mainstream religion needs to be banned?

If you can point to doctrinal evidence that supports treating different genders as inferior/superior then you know it is wrong.

If it sets a goal of world domination it is wrong.

If the members are driven to die to advance the cause it is wrong.

If it clearly states genocidal beliefs then it is WRONG and needs to be banned.

How much longer are people going to be given a free pass by waving the flag of 'religion' to cover their hateful agendas?

These people remind me of Ferris in the movie when he says:

Cameron: Ferris, my father loves this car more than life itself.

Ferris: A man with priorities so far out of whack doesn't deserve such a fine automobile.

Mark: A people with porkerphobia so deep should not be starting wars with people who eat pork.

It is time to start crop dusting the Middle East with bacon grease until they cease and desist.

What a horrific litany, Treah! The "Religion of Peace™" indeed.

Ima Freeman wrote:

In my opinion, however, I believe we need to look at the Islam problem less from a religious perspective and more from a humanist point of view. Ideologically, Islam goes against every sane, logical, or compassionate ideal that we as a society (that which is not Islam) have developed as part of OUR culture and as rational human beings. Islam is bad for everybody!
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I absolutely agree, Ima.

While the Ummah seems especially intent on its Jihad against the remnant of Christians in Dar-al-Islam in the past year or two, just a cursory glance around the Jihad Watch archives will show a persistent pattern of violence against Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, agnostics, atheists, sects like the Baha'i and Ahmadiyya, "other sect" Muslims, apostates, and anyone deemed "insufficiently Islamic".

Islam is indeed *bad for everybody*—and we as rational and decent human beings should denounce such murderous insanity at every turn.

By opposing their oppression and by demanding equal rights and normalcy, "al kuffar" have forced the denizens of the "religion of peace" to rescind the "protection" of the dar al Islam, and their lives are thus forfeit.

Isn't that what sharia teaches?

The crew of Crazyhorse 18 (the Apache helicopter Wikileaked as having shredded insurgents as they tried to surrender) ought to be commended, not condemned for what they did.

It's not that you can't surrender to an aircraft, it's that you can't surrender if you're al-Qaeda.

Since the Jews departed the Dar al Islam two generations ago, the denizens of the "religion of peace" are left with no choice but to turn on the Christians.

My feelings concerning the centuries of Judeophobia on the part of Eastern Christians aside, and their leaders' current anti-Israeli stances in Vatican conclaves notwithstanding, I feel deeply for what these people are facing.

And my feelings considering those centuries of Judeophobia. .are that they stem from the instant that Muhammad injected his ill-will into the slaverring beast of atheism. .

I hate to say it my friends but the liberal media isn't paying attention or is apathetic because they have considered Christians their enemy for a long time.

Also muslims have replaced blacks as the 'poor oppressed victims of white racism,' and since victims can never be aggressors (in their mind) they mentally block out the tidal wave of incidents where muslims have been going around hurting and killing people.

Lastly it's just out-and-out fear and cowardice masked as 'political correctness.' In the UK they've taken this to an extreme where we never know the attackers identities or their motivation-they've become perfect little dhimmis.

I say this as an atheist (ex-Christian). While I disagree with Christians on the issue of faith, they have almost the same morals as I do (we differ on abortion, euthanasia and gays). But then most non-muslims tend to be similar values in that respect. It is only muslims who hold on to views that the rest of us find to be repugnant, dangerous and evil.

It is very regrettable that liberals lump Christians in with muslims, often muslims are treated better. But I've seen signs-particularly in Europe that the masses are starting to wake up and are disgusted by the way liberals treat opponents of Islam while they coddle the worst of the muslim fundamentalists.

All we can do is just keep educating and debating them until that light-bulb finally goes off in their heads. I have close liberal friends/family and in the past they didn't consider Islam a threat until through persistence and using facts/reason, I finally got them to wake up to reality.

So the work that great people like Robert and Pamela Geller do is absolutely indispensable for our cause. People will not be able to fight a threat that they do not recognize or understand.

It really bothers me a great deal when I hear about Christians (or any non-muslims) or even muslims (which usually turns out to be women) being harmed by other muslims-because I know all of this would've never been possible had Islam not existed (or been eliminated).

One day I hope we can see their terrible ideology end up in the dustbin of history where it belongs-it's a shame our ancestors didn't take care of this problem, now it falls on our shoulders.

First America doesnot have the manpower to so or the mortal autherity to do so since all the warcrime we done against Islam. Islam is speading in america there are now over 12 million muslim in america.

Most of the world is not deaf, blind and or ignorant. "Do the math". It is clear whom is doing the killing and who is trying to put a stop to the killings. It is clear who is teaching their children to kill and who doesn't. It is clear to see who is abusing woman and who is not. It is clear who does the "honor killings" and who does not. It is clear who does not arrest those among them for killing and who does arrest those among them for killing. It is clear who endorses poor behavier and who does not. It is clear who is civil and has law and order and who does not. It is clear who never admits being wrong and who isn't afraid to admit being wrong. "Do the math". Two and two is never 5. If the pieces don't fit, there may be something wrong.

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"These demonic Islamic regimes should be toppled by the Western nations"

I take back what I said about toppling these evil Islamic regimes. On second thought, I don't think that's a good idea as that could simply lead to more wars and the idea is impractical on many levels.

But the Muslim perpetrators of these massacres should be brought to justice. If their Islamic regimes will not do it, perhaps the United Nations can and should do it.

I think what could be a lot more effective in bringing down these evil Islamic regimes is for "everyone" (especially political and religious leaders) to speak out against the injustices that these evil Islamic regimes and the evil Muslim murderers and rapists in their Islamic countries commit on a daily basis. In other words, speaking the truth, the facts, denouncing their crimes and injustices publicly and often and everywhere.

Islam that wants to do away with freedom of speech is no different than a criminal organization that wants to suppress all those who would speak out against their crimes.

Indeed, Islam is not a religion of peace, but a religion that explicitly sanctions murders, rapes, abductions, etc.. Islam is the perfect religion for the criminally inclined.

That's not to say that all Muslims are criminally inclined. But those Muslims that are criminally inclined have a perfect religion in Islam because Islam literally commands, justifies, and glorifies their criminal, perverse, barbaric, and evil behavior.

In any case, in my opinion, Christianity is absolutely indispensable in the fight against Islam. Islam cannot prevail against Christianity except through violence. Even then, I believe that the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ is stronger than the violence or threat of violence from these demonic Muslim murderers, rapists and criminals.

Are you an American? I ask if you are an American because you wrote:

"First America doesnot have the manpower to so or the mortal autherity to do so since all the warcrime we done against Islam."

What do you mean by, "all the warcrime we done against Islam?" Which "we" do you mean?

How long have you been a Muslim?

They are rationalizing the impending slaughter of the Coptic Christians as a "defensive" jihad which is "legal" under Sharia law. They are having to do such tagiyya (deceitful propaganda)because of the amount of global accounts. For, even the most dense, ignorant, or foolish people who refuse to look into Islam for the answers to Muslim motivation and action can't help but wonder when they see the same thing over and over and over all over the world.

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