Geller: The lesson of the Ghailani trial fiasco

Could the Guardian be waking up? Today they've run a piece by Pamela Geller on the Ghailani trial .......

Sadly, I fear the liberal left will not wake up until it's too late.

I think that 'The Guardian' has printed Pam's excellent piece in an attempt to draw derision from its readers while pretending to suggest its newspaper is a platform for all shades of opinion.
I've read the first tranche of posts from Guardian readers, and although they are scathing in their criticism of the piece as you would expect, the number of 'recommends' agreeing with the criticisms of the piece are very few.

It looks like the The Guardian's attempt to denigrate Pam's analysis through this ploy has failed.

But will lukewarm support for the criticism make 'The Guardian' rethink its position vis-a-vis Islam? Or, in other words; Could a jihadist renounce Islam and lob a grenade at the Kabba?

I wasn't surprised to see the usual leftist rhetoric among the comments following Pam's article. I was, however, amazed at the number of comments deleted by moderators, and can only wonder what they contained to warrant censorship. I added a short comment of my own in support of Geller, pointing out that her views are shared by many of the newly elected conservative congressmen, that Obama will probably lose the upcoming fight over his continued insistence on trying terrorists in civilian courts, and that Gitmo will probably remain open indefinitely to process new cases using military tribunals. I haven't heard any heads explode yet, and the comment wasn't deleted (at least last time I checked). Others might wish to drop on over and add their thoughts to the stream, as well.

Wow, check out the reader comments on the Guardian site. They're out of their minds over there.

When anyone brings up the "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter", I always like to ask: Would you please define the freedom that muslims fight for...

No, the Guardian isn't waking up, and neither are our secular ideologues at Jihad Watch and Atlas Shrugs.

In contrast, Michael Matt at The Remnant seems to be on the right track, and yesterday posted this piece regarding Sharia in the heartland. Not that it's likely to be understood or appreciated by lukewarm Christians, befuddled liberty-obsessed secularists, and neurotic Zionists.
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Sharia Law here in the hinterland? Unthinkable, right? Not anymore, at least not since large numbers of Somali Muslims have decided to trade their desert sand for our frozen tundra. And while the snow isn’t a problem for our new neighbors the law of the land is proving to be, which is why they’re lobbying to have Muslim law recognized and enforced here in Minnesota.

Last month Somali employees began refusing service to Minnesotans attempting to purchase bacon from the frozen food departments of local Target stores. Pork, after all, is unclean and mustn’t be handled

In addition, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported on more than 5000 cases of Somali cab drivers refusing to pick up fares that failed various Sharia litmus tests.

So, evidently, if Sven and Ole are spotted outside the airport with so much as a bottle of wine in their possession they may well have trouble hailing a cab. Even sight-impaired folks with service dogs are reportedly being stranded curbside because animals are considered unclean and for a Muslim to transport one in his automobile would violate Sharia law.

But here in “God’s country” our strength is our diversity, or so we’re told by our social engineers; so there’s no stopping Sharia law. Rather than showing their Muslim mutineers the door, Target stores are merely reassigning them to departments where they’ll be less apt to run afoul of Sharia law. And what about those Somali cabbies? Still gainfully employed, of course, and electing on their own who gets a ride home from the airport and who doesn’t. It’s multiculturalism at its best.

Still, one can’t really blame the Muslim for the absurd surrender of the Christian. The people tolerating this sort of nonsense in their various countries were once a Christian people. And when formerly Christian societies begin laying down their swords, abandoning their founding principles, criminalizing Christianity, and effectively eliminating their own borders, should we really blame the inevitable Muslim interlopers for stepping into the void?

Christians could mount some sort of legal challenge in defense of their own culture and laws, I suppose, but that would require cooperation from at least a few Christians that still actually give a damn. And there’s the rub. Most of us can't even stir ourselves when creatures like Lady Gaga "entertain" the kids dressed as a nun while desecrating a rosary and engaging in simulated gay sex. Clearly, an unimaginative little stain like Gaga has nothing to fear from the Christian world.

Christianity withstood every assault leveled against it over two millennia--the Romans, the Barbarians, the Vikings, even Napoleon, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler and Mao. But it's having one 'hell of a time' with modern democracy. Over the past half century the Christian surrender has been complete. And an anti-Christian society is no match for Islam.

Even the Catholic Church—the once great nemesis of Islam—has been busy Protestantizing its sacraments, discarding its sacramentals, and plundering its own sanctuaries. Who’s fault is that? The Muslims?

Catholic schools and universities routinely teach the mythification of Sacred Scripture, the denial of Genesis, the promotion of evolution, and the recasting of defenders of absolute truth as blood brothers to the fascists. Shall we blame Islam for this, as well?

It may be fashionable to hate Muslims right now but it’s not right and it only exacerbates the problem. If we had any appreciation for history we’d be terrified of what’s in store for us, realizing along with Hilaire Belloc that “cultures spring from religions” and that ultimately the vital force which maintains any culture “is its philosophy, its attitude toward the universe”, and that the “decay of a religion involves the decay of the culture corresponding to it.” Belloc argued that the “bad work begun at the Reformation is bearing its final fruit in the dissolution of our ancestral doctrines—the very structure of our society is dissolving.”

So said Belloc—but he doesn’t play for the Yankees nor does he work for the Fox News Channel. So, whatever!

“O Stupid Catholics, who has bewitched you?”, Fr. Richard Perozich asked Catholics in San Diego last month. “It is either going to be the way of evil or the way of truth. We must engage it as an ambassador for Christ and not as an agent of the devil.”

But when Nancy Pelosi, Roger Mahony, and Joe Biden become the new face of Catholicism in the West is it any wonder that Islam is rising? There’s nothing but buffoonery standing in its way. The Catholic Church is far too busy closing her own churches and proclaiming the good news of ecumenism and Theology of the Body to stand up to much of anything, even the renegades and apostates running her own institutions.

Sharia law is coming, and so is the Divine chastisement we no longer fear because we no longer believe. Instead we blame everyone and everything for our predicament, which is a consequence of own crisis of belief, fostered and encouraged by the policies of our own shepherds. We’ve become faithless and afraid, hoping to win the approval of our secularist jailors by hiding our Faith and even denying our King. But killing Muslims, bombing their cities, banning burqas, railing against them on TV is not going to change the fact that we’ve dropped the Cross—which is only the reason the Crescent is rising.

If we continue to reject the social kingship of Christ there is no hope for us. Our faith will have failed to such an extent that all we can do is make lame appeals to a democracy which, as the late, great Michael Davies contended, was itself “enshrined in the French Revolution’s Declaration of the Rights of Man, the declaration which constituted a formal and insolent repudiation of the Social Kingship of Our Lord Jesus Christ”. Clearly the enemy has won total victory over us when all we can think to do here on the eve of our total destruction, is appeal to him for our salvation and behave in public as if Our Lord no longer exists.

Our Holy Church teaches that Omnis potestas a Deo – “All authority comes from God – not “We the People.” We the People overthrew the Social Kingship of Christ in the first place, and now the chickens are coming home to roost. Is this the fault of the Muslims? Or are they merely the instruments of God’s justice, the Divine remedy for universal apostasy among Christians?

Our only help is in the Name of the Lord. Unless we return to the proclamation of His law, I fear we can expect Sharia law to become ours here at home and throughout all Christendom. It’s Christ the King—or its chaos. There is no alternative.

Please God, let’s wake up before it’s too late!
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When Mr. Spencer, Ms. Geller, and Mr. Horowitz formally proclaim the Social Kingship of Christ and Catholic rule as the key norm for the West, then we will know that some waking up is going on.

Well fan. That was one of the stupidest posts the nabi has seen in a long time. Sorry dude. The nabi calls 'em like he sees 'em.

All authority comes from God – not “We the People.” ...

And exactly how is this different from the rantings of jihadists everywhere? It is identically the same.

It’s Christ the King—or its chaos....

So we must all be Christians? The nabi is confused. And the non Christians? What? Conversion by the sword?

They merely the instruments of God’s justice...

Another tune from the jihadi playbook. Oh yes! Bringing God's Law and God's justice to a heathen world. And conveniently administered by the fanatics themselves. Who better to know God's will.

Lastly, what is wrong with bombing our enemies? It sounds like a good start, nabifically speaking.

nabi ZK (pbum)

fairuzfan gloats: "Clearly the enemy has won total victory over us when all we can think to do here on the eve of our total destruction, is appeal to him for our salvation and behave in public as if Our Lord no longer exists."

In simpler terms...Islam wins and you must submit...

Convict a Muslim of crimes against white people or Jews in New York City? Are you serious? The man who murdered Meir Kahane in front of dozens of eyewitnesses walked. And walked straight into a conspiracy planning WTC I (1993) which resulted in the deaths of six people. Then Lemrick Nelson, who in 1991 stabbed a visiting Australian Hasid to death during the Crown Heights "blowing off steam" (to use then-mayor David Dinkins's words to the press about organized Black and Hispanic violence against the Jews in the neighborhood) was similarly acquitted by a "jury of his peers." The stalwart Mr. Nelson converted to Islam later so as to reaffirm his hatred of America and the Jews.

The sad (or enraging, or both) fact is that a large part of the culture in Black and Hispanic communities in NYC (and it is not confined to that city) is built around hatred of "The Man" often depicted as Jewish or white or both, and "mau-mauing," or taunting whites and Jews is standard operating procedure. So it is no surprise when murderers of Jews walk free. Ghailani's acquittals on all but one symbolic count are another way of NYC Blacks and Hispanics showing their middle finger to The Man. Right on, brother. Sheesh.

The best comment I have ever read! ...

The second stupidest post even seen by this nabi.

nabi ZK (pbum)

From post above...Sharia law is coming, and so is the Divine chastisement we no longer fear because we no longer believe.

A plug for Allah...Allah is going to beat us up with sharia because we no longer believe...What if you're a hardcore kufr and have never believed? In order for sharia to become the law of the land in the US, major changes must be made to the Constitution, and prevailing US law...Sharia lite as practiced by cab drivers and meat packers, will not satisfy the pious...The full practice of Islam is the full practice of sharia...This is not an option, sharia is Allah's law...Jihad is not a war against Christianity or the Catholic alone, it is a war against all of kufr humanity, (Quran 8:39/2:193, for starts) and it will take a lot more than Christianity or the Catholic to repel it...But if they can see their way to help out, it's fine...

We've seen this script before-- it ends with the terrorist living out his last days as a celebrity in posh luxury surrounded by family and friends.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdelbaset_Ali_Mohmed_Al_Megrahi

Terrorism still pays: handsomely.

Excellent piece by Pamela Geller. Even on the notoriously hostile Guardian comments she has received some support.

Incidentally, Keith Olbermann—who is back on the air after being suspended by MSNBC for ethics violations—yesterday named Pamela Geller on his daily feature as "The Worst Person in the World", over an incident she had nothing whatsoever to do with.

It's better to be a lukewarm true Christian than a white-hot mono-enthusiast pest.

Apparently, the evidence charging him with 224 counts of murder could not be used in court, because "coercive" techniques were used to get information from him.

Oh the irony of the world's most "coercive" ideology, Islamic Jihad, claiming "coercion" in its perpetrator's defense. Were there 'four male witnesses' during the prisoner's alleged 'torture' to prove it? Apparently the 224 body count of his victims does not sway the judge? What a farce of justice, where murderers on a mass scale go free.

He should NOT have been tried in our 21st century civilian courts (where our human rights are legally protected, if naively), but in one of those Islamic Sharia paradise courts, where found guilty he would have been punished and tortured according to his 7th century barbaric Warlord ideology, thus properly "coerced" as befits the crime. Give this Jihad terrorist a taste of his own 'rule of law' in the sense of Sharia 'fairness', not the watered down wishy-washy justice of our humanitarian laws. I'm totally in favor of trying him by his own laws, in his own country, where surely his punishment will befit the crime. Ship them back, ship them All back, to rot in their own sharia prisons. Why should we care to coddle the Jihad murderers?

In regard to the essay taken from some other website given by Fairuzfan: Here's a quote, "one can't really blame the Muslim" for the currently excessive tolerance of Americans. I say what? Who says? Why not? Maybe because blaming Muslims and Islam for anything is against the principles of the vaunted Ecumenical Movement. And, I ask, where is there "criminalizing Christianity" outside of Islam? Why the gross exageration? It's very unhelpful. And this: "Christians could mount some ... defense of their own ... laws". What Christian laws are there? There are US government and State laws. Our Constitution says "We the people", not we the Christians. I could go on with more but it gets tedious.

secularism in the West has robbed Christianity of its vitality, and which Islam still possesses...

Another dubious statement by someone who believes that religion is the answer. Secularism has made possible the rise of critical thinking and skeptical investigation which lie at the heart of the Sciences. Remember, when the religion had sway Science was heresy. Those Sciences are responsible for the advancement of the "West"(to include such Western Countries as Japan, China, India, etc.)which the mohametans can not and will not ever match. Period.

Let hem go on about past glories when they were supposedly so advanced. That would be advanced for the year of our Lord 1100. They haven't seen the cutting edge for a long time now and will not soon see it again because they are mired in a stupid belief system.

mohametans are just an annoyance and will not be taking over anything. Not by dawa and not by force of arms. Attempts to push their political agenda of institutionalized discrimination against everyone else will not be tolerated and will fail here in the US and the nabi also assumes in Europe. They will not be taking China anytime soon and India seems quite safe also. So they can choke on their hatred of "Hindus and Buddhists". The nabi hopes they get really bad heartburn from this.

May the nabi remind you that mohametans can barely manage to manufacture simple weapons. If the threat was actually severe they would have their clocks cleaned in short order. It would not be pretty.

Even the threat of Iran is nothing really. They can use their great new, 60 year old actually, nuclear techonlogy to cause havoc only at the price of their very existence. And this is not because of Jesus but because of people like Oppenheimer and Teller who probably didn't actually relate to Jesus.

nabi ZK (pbum)

For the benefit of non-Christian readers of this line of comments today, the essay posted by Fairuzfan describes a point of view which is so zany, considered from the understandings of all mainstream Christians, that it's probably already been declared heretical by the Catholic Church (to which it claims adherence). That's just a guess on my part. Mainly it should be understood it's not real Christianity at all. And it denies that Jesus is the Messiah. Because if Jesus is "our king" in the sense conveyed, then he can't be the king of kings which is a proper designation of the role of the Messiah as understood by real Christians (and real Catholics).

@fairuzfan
...our secular ideologues at Jihad Watch and Atlas Shrugs.

What is the trouble fairuzfan? Has the candle smoke in your bower-cave tarnished your favorite monstrance? Are you unhappy that you do not have the Pope’s old job?

I am sorry to bash you a bit sir, but you so consistently come to the defense of Islam that I cannot help but see you as an Islamic apologist.

I’ve noticed that whenever you post to a thread, your posts taint everything with an anguine pall, and the thread slips from its track, as you slither from one place to the next, using your irrelevant fallacies to defend Islam. Today you quoted substantially from Michael Matt, letting him do your work for you - especially in this: “the Muslims are the instruments of God’s justice.” In as much as you agree with that, do you and Mr. Matt know God’s mind?

I don’t know why the Church chose the word “potestas” rather than “auctoritas,” for the sententia, “Omnis potestas a Deo,” except that “potestas” carries the connotation of power in the political sense. You seem very keen on that idea; and that makes you a theocrat. The last time the Church held temporal power, things did not go very well. By your writing, it is clear that you have had a decent education; so why do you need reminding that the Church and the State have different functions and are different institutions? The Church knows that she is better for not having the authority to govern civil society. Why is it that you do not?

We the people understand that freedom is worth the unpleasant things that sometimes come with it. Lady Gaga and the decadence she may represent is not really the cause of anything and she is certainly not the reason that Muslims seem to have a little success here and there advocating for Sharia law and special consideration for Islam. Lady Gaga is irrelevant.

Dumbledoresarmy has pointed out, rightly, I think, that you are wearing a mask.

Rather than “fairuzfan,” maybe a more fitting name for you is, “Savonarola,” or “Torquemada,” if you actually are an old-fashioned Catholic – but more fitting for you altogether would be an Islamic name; but I don't know, maybe fairuzfan is an Islamic name. Whenever I see it in the thread, I know that the Islamic python is not far behind.

Some people are waking up to see Islamic apologists clearly. Mr. Spencer and M. Geller understand why Church is separate from State. They don't need to advocate for Catholic rule.

@Battle of Tours. Thank you for putting the thread back where it belongs. My post is an aside. fairfuzan just annoyed me.

In America, the legal profession and judiciary--led by Leftist organs such as the ACLU--have been doing their damnedest to turn the Bill of Rights into a suicide pact.

Fairuzfan, I am also of the mind that the "nakedness of the public square" in the West is one of the things that has left us open to Islamic aggression--although I am a God Bless King Billy Calvinist rather than a Roman Catholic. John Adams himself said that the US Constitution was written for a "moral and religious" people, and that it would work for none other.

However, I would not say that people at JW are necessarily secular "fanatics" or "neurotic" Zionists. Yes, from time to time, we get some silly drivellings that can't distinguish Muhammad the Bandit King of Arabia and Jesus the Messiah, Prince of Peace. But there is a frank recognition that Islamic radicalism isn't going to respect the anti-Christianity of its sceince- and state-worshiping Western allies [there's no such thing as an atheist--only idolators too dull, too dishonest, or both, to name their idols]. Hence, there is strong criticism from many of the non-Christians here of the PeeCee stance. As for Zionism and the Jews (and I am an "additionist" Christian rather than a "supercessionist" who DOES NOT see a certain sign of the Eschaton in the re-establishment of ethnic-political Israel), many of us recognize that Israel is bearing the brunt of Islamicist fury for many of the rest of us, and deserves our sympathy and support.

Granted, I cannot see Theo van Gogh as a martyr (although I see him as a victim and frightening object lesson). I also admit to a certain amount of Schadenfreude on seeing Comedy Central cower before Muslim scowls (and find one more reason to never tune in to its decidedly un-funny productions). But while there is any chance of God's being merciful to my wayward and self-blinded civilization, I will seek its protection and re-conversion. And I most decidedly will not praise the devilish mockery of a religion that goes by the name of Islam. It is not Islamic virtue that will conquer the West, but its carrying the perversions and blasphemies of the post-Christian West a step further by covering them with a veil of supposed peity--something for which, I am sure, God Almighty has a special hatred.

One thing that I have seen in recent years is that the spiritual nature of Islam's assault on our country has awakened some questioning of the anti-theistic bias of our elite culture. Another is that there is much dismay among Muslims that theirs is the religion of terror, and it has opened many to the claims of Jesus Christ.