Germany on guard against Mumbai-style attack

Another update in the current wave of threats against Germany. Prior reporting named the country's Christmas markets as a possible target for such a mass-casualty attack. The symbolism is obvious, as is the potential economic impact. "Germany says guarding against Mumbai-style attack," by Brian Rohan for Reuters, November 18:

BERLIN (Reuters) - German authorities are on guard against threats of armed attack on civilians of the kind that killed 166 in the Indian city of Mumbai in 2008, Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere said Thursday.
Police are taking added precautions, de Maiziere said, a day after Germany tightened security measures citing threats from Islamist militants.
"What we are basically preparing ourselves for, is that terrorists, coming from abroad, commit an attack soon after arrival, without warning, in a building or public place, knowing that they may not survive," de Maiziere told broadcaster ZDF.
"In shop talk, we'd call that something similar to what happened in Mumbai," he added.
Wednesday, Germany said it had strong evidence Islamist militants were planning attacks in the next two weeks, and it ordered security at potential targets such as train stations and airports to be tightened.
Security officials in Berlin said on condition of anonymity then that three scenarios existed -- one involving senior al Qaeda leader Younis al Mauretani, another involving the Mumbai-style attack, and a third pointing to sleeper cells already in Germany.
As de Maiziere spoke, German police were on route to Namibia to aid a separate investigation into a suspect package found at Windhoek airport during security checks for a German tourist flight to Munich.
De Maiziere said he was waiting for results of the investigation before he could say what had happened or if there had been any connection to other threats.
"We don't know yet what happened," he said. "By all means there is evidence it could have been a test, but no confirmation," he said.
In Germany, threats also existed from lone "fanatic operators" and not only a Mumbai-style group attack, de Maiziere said, adding that such large-scale killing would be prevented.
"God willing, as long as we work well, this attack scenario will not happen in Germany, and the measures we are taking -- visibly and behind the scenes -- are helping," he said.
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Suspected bomb meant for Munich-bound flight

Namibian police have hindered a possible terrorist attack on a flight from Windhoek to Munich, Federal Criminal Police (BKA) said Thursday. A suspected explosive device was found in a piece of luggage discovered as the LTU/Air Berlin flight was being loaded.
http://www.thelocal.de/national/20101118-31257.html

It's a matter of time before the Islamic supremacists strike in Germany now that there's been signs of waking up to the disaster that is "multiculturalism" and the government speaking plainly and honestly about the monsters in their midst.

How to eliminate most sleeper cells? - evict from Germany, back to various parts of dar al Islam, all known Muslims (including native German converts to Islam; converts have shown a distressing tendency to involve themselves in Jihad plots).

How to reduce the danger of raids carried out from outside?

Don't let any more Muslims into Germany. Not students, not tourists, not businesspeople, not diplomats, no nothing.

No Muslims allowed on German soil, would make life much more difficult for planners of jihad raids.

As far as I can make out the enemy appear to be pursuing two strategies at the moment in relation to the USA and Europe: multiple cargo bombs, to disrupt air travel and trade, and Mumbai style attacks.

I think people have become v. complacent since 9-11.

DDA : No Muslims allowed on German soil....

Could we not amend that fine premise to 'No molsems allowed on non-moslem soil.'?

Until they have at least 1,000 years of peace between their own devout factions and prove to us they can behave.

Hi,

I dont think its the muslims to be blamed, but us, the non muslims.

They (muslim extremist) had attacked, conquered & made us slaves in many ways & it will continue in the future.

we tried to accommodate & we tried hard. It never works.

You see, muslims believe, in their heart, that if they fight you & you give in, they must be doing the right thing & that allah had blessed their actions.

Their success developed their confidence & it goes south from there.

However. Notice that no muslims would naturally align themselves to their country if they can align themselves to the muslim brothers or muslim nations first this naturally defining muslims as a 'race'.

And every race is a nation of its own. And every nation has its capital.

For muslims, their capital is mecca.

Muslims had never had their capital attacked by a non muslim nation since the birth of islam, making them cocky & proud.

Other religions & nations are humble today because they had been defeated, prosecuted and what not, making us to evolve to the new world. A good example would be the jews, and following the judaic laws is somehow like sharia which was what brought them down in the first place.

muslims on the other had had not have the similar defeat & therefore mentally, allah must be protecting them thus allowing them to create a parallel system amongst our society (where non muslims are 3rd class citizens)

perhaps its time that we stop saying enough in the net & in real life & start making threats of our own.

I believe a decent leader should prevent an attack by issuing threats that islams capital would be nuked (mecca) is theres a single attack in the country.

muslims deserve their fair share of humility by any means, civilized or not. And Il bet that would save a few million lives.

IMO a more practical (and maybe even more moral) approach is to institute a publicly stated policy that no radical islamists be allowed into western countries. No more visas to radical islamists--student, work, tourist visas. And for those radical islamists aleady here, then deport. In other words, make the distinction between radical islamists and moderates.

Well, I don't think a genocidal attack on Islam is any answer to anything but I do think TJwork has a point about Mecca not having been conquered by non-Muslim forces since Islam came on the scene.

Don't forget the foiled Germany-based jihadist attacks on the Christmas markets in Strasbourg, France, at the end of 1999. In early 2000, another jihadist group was arrested. They had planned a Sarin gas attack. A UK-based imam provided doctrinal support.

"It's a matter of time before the Islamic supremacists strike in Germany now that there's been signs of waking up to the disaster that is "multiculturalism" and the government speaking plainly and honestly about the monsters in their midst."

Right. "Multiculturalism" specifically meaning Muslims.

A total disaster.

Do NOT surrender to these animals. Prepare to the extent you can and never ever give up...

http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2010/11/speculations.html

"God willing, as long as we work well, this attack scenario will not happen in Germany, and the measures we are taking -- visibly and behind the scenes -- are helping," he said.

He actually said "God willing"?

I don't think he necessarily said 'God willing' in the way that the Muslims say 'inshallah'.

Might be worthwhile looking up the expression 'God willing' or whatever its German equivalent is; find out when it first appears.

After all: I can recall using the same phrase years and years ago, long before I'd even *heard* of Islam; and I grew up in an extended family whose attitudes were shaped by a blend of Irish Catholicism, German and Danish Lutheran faith, Methodism, and Scots Presbyterian faith and practice. Even now, it comes perfectly naturally to me, to say 'God willing' at the end of a conversation in which I and my sisters, say, have been making plans to have some future family get-together; since the weather, and children who unexpectedly fall ill, do enter our calculations. We make plans - unlike fatalistic Mohammedans - and do our darndest, but we do also acknowledge that 'man proposes, but God disposes'.

Need to use the deport or the jail card a whole lot more!
European elites still attacking Israel all the while their own
continent is under siege by the muslim horde!

http://newstime.co.nz/germany-on-high-alert-frears-jihad-terror-attack-according-to-quran-9111-95-2191.html
Video: Germany on high alert – frears jihad terror attack according to Quran 9:111, 9:5, 2:191

http://newstime.co.nz/remember-the-traitors.html
Videos &
UPDATE: The pdf file (tabloid & letter size) of the excellent article “THE MUSLIM MOSQUE: A STATE WITHIN A STATE” from Vijay Kumar (for US Congress) you can find on HERE German translation: 266 KB

http://newstime.co.nz/german-chancellor-merkel-mulitculti-utterly-failed.html
German Chancellor Merkel: “Mulitculti: utterly failed”

TJ - I believe a decent leader should prevent an attack by issuing threats that islams capital would be nuked (mecca) is theres a single attack in the country.

TJ please do not spread such vile mischief. Believe it or not, America cannot use nukes against any land that is filled with oil, it will be slow suicide.

It is a miracle that God knows how to balance the equations regarding human affairs.

Even if a giant earthquake or some natural disaster occurred at Mecca, I would fully expect the Western world to be very sympathetic and help in rebuild costs in an expedient manner.

I believe there is a fairly simple way to avoid Mumbai style enrichment. It is called Repatriation and Containment. Of course, the containment is within their own native sandpits.Allow none into Germany or even to overfly, after throwing them all out.

@ Roland

You wrote:- 'Even if a giant earthquake or some natural disaster occurred at Mecca, I would fully expect the Western world to be very sympathetic and help in rebuild costs in an expedient manner.'

But an earthquake couldn't destroy Mecca and the Kabba unless God allowed it to, according to Islam. Therefore, an earthquake that destroyed Mecca and the Kabba *would* be God's Will.

So, wouldn't He be trying to tell you something about His opinion of Islam if such a happy event occurred?

Is Mecca the San Francisco of Saudi Arabia? Is it situated near a fault line?

I still don't see why Western leaders can't announce a policy to wrap the remains of terrorists in pigskin and drop them into the deepest part of an ocean. Anybody know why this can't be done? I know orthodox Isrealis would object, so? The muslim world would go crazy, but that will only help draw a clear line between radical muslims and the so-called moderates (or, rather, show the West that there is no such line).

Latest on BBC broadcast news is that it's a false alarm in Windhoek Airport, Namibia. The package was a dummy bomb used for training purposes.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11795415

I don't think he necessarily said 'God willing' in the way that the Muslims say 'inshallah'.

And neither do I. Not for a moment!
I was only expressing my amazement that in this almost completely secularized “EUcontinent” whose Constitution must not make a reference to its Christian roots a person in his position would invoke that terrible three-letter word.

From post above... Notice that no muslims would naturally align themselves to their country if they can align themselves to the muslim brothers or muslim nations first this naturally defining muslims as a 'race'.

That's a stretch...A cult, a club, an organization, a country, an ideology, or a religion is not a race...Islam is racist, but it is not a race, and neither are those Mahoundians who submit to it...Shahada does not produce a race, it produces slaves of no particular race...

Yes! Staright talk, straight solutions. That's why I'm proud to peel potatoes in DDA.

Not just stopping all immigration of Muslims is necessary. As the Muslim population in Europe is now so large, it is necessary to reverse this invasion.

There has never been any doubt that such a policy has to come about if the West is to be saved. The question is how to arrive at a situation when such a policy is politically possible.

Fortunately, slowly but surely, we are getting to that stage.

I believe a decent leader should prevent an attack by issuing threats that islams capital would be nuked (mecca) is theres a single attack in the country.

I don't think one needs to resort to the threat of nuking mecca. It is not so much physical destruction of its capital that islam fears as the humiliation that comes with it. And such a humiliation can be achieved by, for example, dropping a load of old shoes over the grand mosque and kaaba stone of mecca. In fact, by not causing death, destruction and other unpleasantness, it would be pure insult and humiliation unadulterated by dimension of tragedy. Well, there are alternatives to old shoes and I have suggested one of them in the past on this site, but unfortunately it was censored away, so I will not do it again. But of course that must not prevent others from coming up with their own creative suggestions. Have fun, friends.

I think it is time for a mass roundup and deportation, There is plenty of room in the sands of Arabia for all of them.

I think it is time for a mass roundup and deportation, There is plenty of room in the sands of Arabia for all of them.

Never mind the bollocks, here's the skinny...

Check out the new pollitically correct buzz-word used here to replace the old fashioned term TERRORISM.

Mass casualty attack

Lemme see now, yep, yep, technically it's true, yep.

Do you see? Everyone is down-playing a cowardice cold blooded act as if it were a tidal wave or a lightning strike.

Pathetic.

Pig parts, pig blood and perhaps waste towels from the bath houses of the lower east side (Village) NYC could be dropped on the holy land. That ought to casue mild irritation among the locals, yes?

; 0

"America cannot use nukes against any land that is filled with oil, it will be slow suicide." Not only america, but europe as well. It's all the more reason to move away from the oil addiction and seek alternative energy sources. Continuing to rely on oil means the enemy has very strong leverage.

I smell Janet Napolitano on that one - remember her "man-caused disaster" [terrorism] as she testified before Congress (was that in her confirmation hearing?)

Really, how deeply do these leaders of our government (snort) think they can insult our intelligence and get away with it? I venture to guess that only about 15% of the population finds them not-completely-foolish, and that 15% occupies the NE, the 2 coasts, a few big "progressive" cities - alas, where I live (New York).

Mass casualty attack?
Far too judgemental, it'll have to be -
Mass casualty event.

Ladies and gentlemen

observe that 'roland' reacted instantly when tjwork argued that 'Mecca' should be put on the table as a possible target.

I think that shows that tjwork has a point.

And let's remember: Muslims have NEVER hesitated to brazenly steal, or to sadistically destroy, or to grossly desecrate - either by killing and rapine on the premises, or by such puerile methods as defecating and urinating and throwing entrails and suchlike all over the place - the sacred places of everybody else on the planet.

Why should *their* 'sacred' - actually, accursed - places be scrupulously protected? Why should anybody tippytoe round *their* tender sensibilities?

They are barbarians, who laugh when they hurt us but *howl* if we hurt them.

Time for these refusers of reciprocity, who spend their entire lives trampling upon the Golden Rule, to meet the flip side of the reciprocity principle: tough old Mrs Bedonebyasyoudid.

I agree with you DDA. One of the first books I read after 9/11 was "Winning the War Against Radical Islam" by Dr. Robert A. Morey. As he states in the final chapter, islam is immutably tied to 'sacred' sites, either cities or buildings. These sites are the mortar that holds islam together and if they were destroyed, Dr. Morey asserts that islam would die within a generation. The potential destruction of islam's 'sacred' idols is the only ammunition or leverage against jihadists because nothing else matters to them, not even their own lives or the lives of other muslims. But what would they do if there was no black cube in Mecca to kiss? What would they do if there was no Mecca?

If they truly believed we would destroy Mecca in retaliation for future terrorist attacks, I think the attacks would end. This ploy might have worked immediately after 9/11 if anyone had the guts to abandon political correctness and grasp the enormity of the jihadist threat. But nobody was up for that job and look where the cowardice, relativism, and PC have taken us. We have spent billions on two wars that have accomplished nothing permanent or advantageous to our interests, installed two sharia governments, and concentrated on 'winning hearts and minds' instead of killing our enemeies. More muslims than ever are invading our countries and the 'homegrown' jihadists are coming out of the woodwork everywhere.

Maybe we could have bluffed them nine years ago with threats of destroying their precious 'holiest' sites but it's too late now. They could probably take out LA and NYC and the morons in charge would still call islam a religion of peace. Maybe some day we will have some courageous, informed leaders who won't be afraid to name the enemy before unleashing the dogs of Hell on them.

The bomb discovered in Namibia was a fake bomb made by an American company that provides these very realistic devices to law enforcement and U.S. federal agencies for training and conducting security checks. There were no actual explosives contained within the device but it is very realistic in every other way.

This still leaves two big questions. One, Who placed this device? Two, Why did they place the device?

If it was the U.S. conducting a security test (which is permitted by international law and done fairly routinely) but by now the U.S. agency that conducted the test would have already stepped forward - but they haven't. Another interesting point here is that the device was clearly marked with tags, as being a training device only. Despite this fact Namibia officials reported it as an actual bomb! Why?

Finally, the device could have fallen into unauthorized hands and it was used to conduct a "test run" but again why use such an obvious device?

The meretricious "roland" wrote:

It is a miracle that God knows how to balance the equations regarding human affairs.
............................

Judging by "roland's" past postings, I imagine part of that miraculous "balance" might include Mumbai-style attacks on middle-European Christmas markets.

What say you, "roland"? Is that the sort of thing you have in mind?

For the record.

I never said we should indulge in genocide.

America will survive (economically) even if saudi arabia disappears from the map in any way.

All I am saying is that we are dealing with a series of enemies that are from the same root but with a different mask every time they engage us.

A good leader must carry the utmost burden to protect its citizens from harm. If he cant do that by an means, he should step down.

A good leader must not tax its own citizens that have been decent but rather squeeze on those who violates it.

A good leader must learn how to issue threats, credible threats & make the threat sustainable.

Even if the threat was to nuke mecca, he must do that if this would ensure the survival of his people, even if it means 1 single life.

Back in the 40's, we had balls, what happened today ?

//Is Mecca the San Francisco of Saudi Arabia? Is it situated near a fault line?//

I don't know much about the history of earthquakes in that region, but the Jordan River - Galilee - Dead Sea - Red Sea - African Great Lakes axis is the most important fault line for continental crust spreading. (Analogous to sea floor spreading, as happens along the Mid-Atlantic Ridge.) The main portion of Africa has been pulling apart from East Africa and the Mid-East for some time now, and someday will be entirely separate.

So I assume there could be some pretty big quakes on the Arabian west coast. If you go a little further north, to Greece and Asia Minor, you are definitely in a region legendary for its quakes.

//I was only expressing my amazement that in this almost completely secularized “EUcontinent” ... a person in his position would invoke that terrible three-letter word.//

Europeans use a lot of figures of speech involving 'God' that are now archaic holdovers from their Christian past. These terms currently carry no theological force for most speakers.

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