Iranian Grand Ayatollah: "We expect the Pope to... consider the Qur'an as holy as the Gospels and Torah"

The hate and murder manual should be considered "holy"!! Only in delusional Muslim mind!!

. .well, in the spirit of reciprocation, I wonder what this dynamic Iranian cleric has to say about the occupation of Kuffarlands by Ummah 5th-columnists?

My advice to Amoli is to read the Old and New Testaments.

"We expect the Pope to... consider the Qur'an as holy as the Gospels and Torah and condemn the disgraceful act of torching the Qur'an," Javadi-Amoli said....

The only way to accomplish this with His Holiness or any other kuffar is to keep them from reading the Qur'an.

Wait! Isn't that what CAIR is trying to do?

"Look to Iran's east; people are killed in Afghanistan and Pakistan everyday. Look to the West; terror and killings continue daily in Iraq. Across the Middle East, murder happens daily," Grand Ayatollah Abdollah Javadi Amoli said...

It's called jihad...

If one is a devout Roman Catholic I don't see how you could conclude anything but that the Koran is fraudulent and blasphemous and that Mohammed was a false prophet if ever there were one.

""Look to Iran's east; people are killed in Afghanistan and Pakistan everyday. Look to the West; terror and killings continue daily in Iraq. Across the Middle East, murder happens daily," Grand Ayatollah Abdollah Javadi Amoli said in a meeting with the Vatican Pontifical Council in Qom on Thursday."

Of course, what he didn't say was, the vast majority of death in these areas would be Muslim upon Muslim violence...

jep!...It is called Jihad...carried out by the mindless minions of the religion of Islam...

Only thing holey about the koran is from the buckshot that I put through it.

I wish the pope would blaspheme a little, and say "Mohammed was a false prophet and Islam is his death cult", but I'm not holding my breath.

This is a golden chance for the Pope to put the question first put by David Hume (1711-1776)

"Which is more likely -- that a man should be used as a transmitter by God to deliver some already existing revelations, or that he should utter some already existing revelations and believe himself to be, or claim to be, ordered by God to do so?"

In other words: why should second-hand revelations twisted to fit the career curve of a 7th Century paedophile trump the originals? The Pope should add that if anyone can produce just one copy of the original biblical text to show where the changes have been made he would be willing to recite the Shahada immediately and resign from the his post forthwith.

If you're a jihadist, please start holding your breath now until an original of The Bible is produced.

We expect Grand Ayatollah Abdollah Javadi Amoli to pound sand.

"Look to Iran's east; people are killed in Afghanistan and Pakistan everyday. Look to the West; terror and killings continue daily in Iraq. Across the Middle East, murder happens daily," Grand Ayatollah Abdollah Javadi Amoli said in a meeting with the Vatican Pontifical Council in Qom on Thursday."

How do these people live in a constant state of delusion? You would think they must deal in reality at some point in their lives.

And if the Pope doesn't? Probably unrelated, but there was a recent arrest of an Al Qaeda cell in Israel which was plotting to kill the Pope.

Islam is the law of the bandit Warlord, so it will always seek to impose its will on others, by either deceit or by force, murderous violent Jihad, deadly force. There is no 'justice' in Islam except surrender to conquest, and 'submission' to slavery, as demanded by their Warlord prophet. For this Ayatollah to complain of all the murders to the left and right of Iran is to confess to this Warlord creed at work in his neighborhood. Demanding da'wa from the Pope, to recognize their evil Warlord's war manual, the 'hatefilled' Koran, will not change anything, and Muslims will continue to murder Muslims, especially their women, same as they ever did. It's the Islam, stupid.

"Reciprocation" means we will have to return their violent force with deadly force. Muslims just don't get it yet, but they will.

In MONTY PITHON a catholic priest and an atheist writer chose to decide the question which one of them was right in a boxing match. The fight was shown intermediately in the programme. Most of the time the atheist writer had the upper hand, but in the end the catholic priest was victorious by knock-out.

Such a fight between Catholic and Muslim clerics would be of as much use as these interfaith talks, it seems to me.

I think that the Pope should consider that on the condition that the Ayatollah introduces pork chops and Polish vodka to Ramadan.

"Look to Iran's east; people are killed in Afghanistan and Pakistan everyday. Look to the West; terror and killings continue daily in Iraq. Across the Middle East, murder happens daily," Grand Ayatollah Abdollah Javadi Amoli said..

Nothing has changed since Mo and his buddies started the death cult known as Islam. Why doesn't he look at the obvious cause of the entire madness called Quaran? The MoSlums live in an inverse-world.

We expect the Pope to... consider the Qur'an as holy as the Gospels and Torah.

How has this "religion" blinded the world for so long when it is not an Abrahamic religion? When is someone of power going to point out that Mohammed does not come from the line of Abraham. The Christian faith and the Jewish faith has a direct lineage from Abraham. No where is there "proof" that Mohammed is blood to Ishmael???

So with all the rhetoric in their "holy" book which is from a power hungry, greedy and sadistic leader. The Kuran should never be considered "Holy".

Giving orders and dictating your life...yep that's what Islam does...

I hate to mention this unfortunate incident but there exists in history a picture of the last Pope kissing a Koran.

I had a copy but my computer crashed a few years ago and I lost that picture and others. Some things I was able to save, but not that one.

Did any of you see that photo of the last Pope.

I wish it was not true.

I don't know nor endorse the website this came from, but here's the photo:

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/popekiss.html

"Look to Iran's east; people are killed in Afghanistan and Pakistan everyday. Look to the West; terror and killings continue daily in Iraq. Across the Middle East, murder happens daily," Grand Ayatollah Abdollah Javadi Amoli said in a meeting with the Vatican Pontifical Council in Qom on Thursday."

And how much of the blood that has been spilled is the result of Iranian intervention?

Quite a bit.

Hey Stormwarning,nice work... posting same thing at the same time.

Why should anyone endorse a religious text that plagiarizes and then abrogates yours?

Quotes showing the disparagement are the appropriate response and teaching opportunity.

And no, we do NOT 'worship the same god'.

"We expect the Pope to... consider the Qur'an as holy as the Gospels and Torah and condemn the disgraceful act of torching the Qur'an," Javadi-Amoli said....

The Pope isn't a Muslim. On what basis would he consider the koran to be holy as the Gospels? Why do Muslims care what the Pope or anyone else thinks of their religion? They certainly have no problem belittling other religions. What's the matter Muslims? You can dish it out but you can't take it? BABIES!

I think most Muslims spend more time listening to the drivel from their own local imam than reading their Quran. Hence their doctrine would be better characterized as "sola imam" rather than "scriptura" as per Martin Luther. In Islam there's nothing genuinely similar to any variety of Christianity. Who and what is our enemy? The Catholic Church leadership often shows stupidity vis a vis Islam but they are not our enemy, they are not a danger to us. Nor is Protestantism.

I posted this comment also in the post named "Palestinian ex-Muslim faces life sentence for criticizing Islam on Facebook", and in the post named "Armistice Day", and in the post named "Obama in Indonesia slams Israel, says more work is needed to improve ties with Islamic world".

The following is a correction to the summary, that I, in a comment in the comments section of a previous post on this web site (the post named "Obama in Indonesia slams Israel, says more work is needed to improve ties with Islamic world" ( http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/11/obama-in-indonesia-slams-israel-says-more-work-is-needed-to-improve-ties-with-islamic-world.html#comment-728851 )) wrote, of the history, from 1917 to 1967, of the situation that Israel is in.

In that summary, that I wrote, of that history, I wrote, inaccurately, that the British army, along with the armies of five Arab countries, attacked Israel several days after Israel was voted a country by the then-newly-founded United Nations by a majority vote in 1948. What is my understanding of what is, in fact, the case is that British troops fought alongside the army of Jordan in that Muslim Arab self-proclaimedly intendedly genocidal attack on Israel launched by the armies of five Arab states in 1948, and my understanding of what is the case is that the British army, as a whole, did not participate in that Muslim Arab attack on Israel in 1948.

In reply to my comment in which I wrote that summary of the history of the situation, commenter traeh wrote a comment in which he wrote that it was his understanding that the British government had provided military assitance to the Arab armies during that attack on Israel, but that it was not his undestanding that the British army, as a whole, had fought against Israel in that attack.

I, in a subsequent comment, replied to traeh that I thought that he was correct and that it was my understanding that British troops had fought along side the Jordanian army against Israel, and that I thought that the British army, as a whole, did not fight against Israel, and I wrote that I thought that there may be some other errors in that summary, that I wrote, of the history of the situation (which were errors that I wrote that I thought were minor errors and which were errors that I wrote that I thought may include dates being off by one or two or so years). I have reviewed that summary, that I wrote, of the history of the situation, and it is now my understanding that there are no errors in that summary, that I wrote, of the situation, other than what may be one, or two, or so, dates being off by one, or two, or so, years.

The following are additional facts of, and what is my understand that are additional facts of, the history of the situation.

In 1920, Amin al-Husseini (Mohammad Amin al-Husseini), a member of the Arab aristocratic Husseini family, incited, and caused, murderous Arab riots against Jewish people in the British Mandate of Palestine

In 1921, after Amin al-Husseini, in 1920, incited and caused murderous Arab riots against Jewish people in the British Mandate of Palestine, British officials appointed Amin al-Hussieni to the position of Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. In 1921, the British government appointed Jack Philby to one of the most influential positions of management of the British Mandate of Palestine. Jack Philby was a British Intelligence officer, a self-professed Socialist, and was well-know to his colleagues as being a fervent hater of the Jewish people, and was a fluent speaker of Arabic, and, in 1930, converted to Islam, and, in the 1930's, illegally provided, and illegally profitted from providing, petroleum from Muslim Arab states to the Nazi (National Socialist) regime of Germany.

In the 1930's, British officials supported and facilitated Arab murderous anti-Jewish riots in, and Arab massacres of Jewish people in, the British Mandate of Palestine. During those Arab murderous anti-Jewish riots and Arab massacres of Jewish people, British officials prevented Jewish people from defending themselves, and punished Jewish people who defended themselves during those Arab murderous anti-Jewish riots and Arab massacres of Jewish people, and charged with murder, and put to death, Jewish people who killed Arab attackers during those Arab murderous anti-Jewish riots and Arab massacres of Jewish people.

In 1935, Amin al-Husseini created the Palestinian Arab Party as part of the Nazi-influenced Nazi-allied Arab Nationalist movement. With the Palestinian Arab Party, Amin al-Husseini created a terrorist youth corps division, al-Futuwwa, which Amin al-Husseini officially called the Nazi Scouts, and whose structure Amin al-Husseini modeled on the youth corps of the Nazi regime of Germany, the Hitler Youth. Amin al-HUsseini, using al-Futuwwa, murdered Arab leaders in the British Mandate of Palestine who opposed him and who were not opposed to the creation of a Jewish state alongside an Arab state in the part of the British Mandate of Palestine that had not been made into Transjordan by British officials.

The majority of, or all of, the land that the Jewish people who, in the early part of the 20th century, were engaged in the Jewish liberation and self-determination movement - the Zionist movement - the endeavor of rebuilding the Jewish country, Israel - developed and cultivated was land that those Jewish people bought, at exorbitant prices, from Arab landowners, who in many cases, or in most cases, or in all cases, were Arab absentee land owners. Those Jewish people constituted the Yishuv - the Jewish community in the British Mandate of Palestine who were cultivating the land of and rebuilding the country of the Jewish people, Israel.

In the 1930's, many Arab people from areas in the Middle East outside of the part of the British Mandate of Palestine that had not been made into Transjordan by British officials, migrated to the then-thiving Yishuv community seeking, and finding, work.

From the 1930's to throughout the 1940's, British officials closed off all Jewish migration to the British Mandate of Palestine and barred entry to the British Mandate of Palestine by, and turned back, all Jewish people who were seeking entry into the British Mandate of Palestine who were fleeing from Europe who were trying to escape from being murdered by the members of Nazi regime of Germany and from being murdered by the members of the Nazi-allied Fascist regimes and militias in Europe.

The Following is What Must Be Done

In order to protect the Jewish people in the country of the Jewish people, Israel, from being mass-murdered by the Islamic-Supremacist regime of Iran and its proxies, and in order to protect the whole world from being violently attacked by, and infiltrated by, and taken over by, and subsequently enslaved by, the modern Islamic-Supremcaist political movement, Jewish people, and non-Jewish people, and, most importantly, the members of the government of Israel, need to honestly, accurately, clearly, effectively communicate the factual currently 90 year history and current reality of the situation the Israel is in to the members of the governments of Western countries and to the whole world.

Most importantly, in order to wake up the members of the societes of Western free democratic countries to the nature of the modern Islamic-Supremacist political movement, the Nazi German history and legacy of the 'Palestinian movement', which was founded by Amin al-Husseini, who was a member of, and an early leader of, the Muslim Brotherhood, and who was an adjoined official of the Nazi Regime of Germany, and who was the co-architech the genocide of the Jewish people in Europe by the Nazi regime of Germany, and who was the mentor of, and an uncle of, Egyptian-born Yasser Arafat (Mohammed Yasser Abdel Rahman Abdel Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa al-Husseini), who, in 1954, in Egypt, founded Fatah under the guidance of Amin al-Husseini, must be communicated to the societes of Western free democratic countries.

IMPORTANT FACTS OF THE EVENTS OF THE PAST HUNDRED YEARS THAT ARE FACTS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND THE CURRENT SITUATION IN THE WORLD

The following are facts of, and, in some cases, are what I think are facts of, events of the past hundred years which are facts that, and, in some cases, are what I think are facts that, in comments that I posted in the comments section of that post, I wrote about, and which are facts of which some are facts that, and which, in some cases, are what I think are facts of which some are what I think are what I think are facts that, commenter Wellington challenged me about and made countering arguments about, which were arguments that I, in appeasement, wrongly conceded to, and are facts that, and, in some cases, are what I think are facts that, are important to understand in order to understand the current situation in the world.

With my writing the following facts, and things which I think are facts, it is not my intention to blame or offend.

With my writing the following facts, and things which I think are facts, it is my intention to inform, in order to make the current situation better.

The 1930's and Today - What Happened in the 1930's is Happening Now

The following are articles which describe the collusion of American academia and other Western academia with the Nazi regime of Germany in the 1930's.

"Harvard's Nazi Ties", by Stephen H. Norwood
http://www.wymaninstitute.org/articles/2004-11-harvard.php

"Stephen H. Norwood's 'The Third Reich in the Ivory Tower'"
http://page99test.blogspot.com/2009/08/stephen-h-norwoods-third-reich-in-ivory.html

"Higher Ed and the Third Reich"
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/06/17/nazism

"Antisemitic Myths in the American Academy: Blacks, Jews and Nazis", A Symposium at The Vidal Sassoon International Center for the Study of Antisemitism at Hebrew University in Jerusalem (Video); The first part of the symposium is a talk by Prof. Stephen H. Norwood about the collusion of Western academia with the Nazi regime of Germany during the 1930's. In his talk, Prof. Norwood documents, among other things, the following.
O The commradery and collusion between the ethnically West European American industrialist and financier alumni and Nazi German officials who were hosted guests of, and, from what I remember from hearing the talk, was, in at least one case, an alumni of, Harvard University
O The refering to as being "ridiculous", the complaints of Jewish people who, and the few non-Jewish students who, voiced opposition to the hosting of those German Nazi officials by Harvard University
O The expulsion, by the administrators of the University, of students who opposed the hosting and collusion of those Nazi German officials by the administrators of University
O The student exchange programs between American and other Western Universities with Nazi German Universities (which had at that time already been purged of Jewish faculty and students), while the persecution against the Jewish people in Germany, at that time in the 1930's, was being reported (barely) in the American press, and was well known to all of the administrators of those Western Universities
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHeDCOGUJv4

In the 1920's, the Jewish-conspiracy-theory-propagating, anti-Jewish, intendedly hate inciting, European fictional propaganda book "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" was published and circulated in West European countries and was believed to be true by members of the political, and academic, and journalistic classes in Britain. On May 12, 1920, The Times of London published a long article, titled "A Disturbing Pamphlet: A Call for Enquiry", about the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". The following is the last line of the article: "Have we, by straining every fibre of our national body, escaped a 'Pax Germanica' only to fall into a 'Pax Judaica'?"".

In the 1920's, the automobile manufacturing industrialist Henry Ford sponsored the dissemination of "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" in the United States, and disseminated the ideology of "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" in a series of articles called "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem" in his newspaper The Dearborn Independent.

Anti-Jewish bigotry was pervasive in the United States in the 1930's. I think that it was a widespread belief in Europe and the United States that "Jewish bankers" controlled the economy of the world and that "The Jews" controlled the administration of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, some the members of whose administration were Jewish (and were people who were Jewish who were in positions of power who, out of normal ethnically Jewish-European fear of being hated for being perceived by ethnically non-Jewish ethnically European to be advocating for the well-being of Jewish people, did not act to protect the Jewish people from harm; were "Court Jews").

In the 1930's, people in Western countries, and especially people in Europe, had been traumatized by World War I, and, in the 1930's, people in Western countries wanted to avoid any form of conflict.

In the 1930's, in Western countries, some Socialists, and so-called "Liberal" self-described "Pacifists" defended the Nazi regime of Germany and verbally attacked Jewish people who were advocating for opposition to the Nazi regime of Germany, and called Jewish people who were advocating for opposition to the Nazi regime of Germany "Warmongers".

The following is a talk in which by Dr. Simcha Epstein describes this phenomena.

"Are We Reliving the 1930s? How West European Philo-Semites became Anti-Semites before the Second World War", a talk by Dr. Simcha Epstein (Video)
http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/showpage.asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=723&FID=799&PID=0

In Britian in the 1930's the student body of either Oxford University or Cambridge University signed a petition in which they declared their opposition to any opposition by the government of Britian to the Nazi regime of Germany.

I think that The Nazi movement in Germany in the 1920's was begun by, and led by, academics, and I think that the anti-Jewish pro-Nazi movement in Western countries in the 1930's was begun by, and led by, academics.

In the 1930's, one of the few people who advocated opposing the Nazi regime of Germany was Winston Churchill, who, at that time was a Conservative member of the Parliament of Britian, and who fervently advocated opposing the Nazi regime of Germany and was mocked and scorned and reviled and ridiculed by his fellow members of Parliament in Britian for doing so.

The members of the government of Britain resisted opposing the Nazi regime of Germany until Nazi Germany invaded Poland in 1939 and thereby broke a treaty that Adolf Hitler, the leader of the Nazi regime Germany, had made with then Prime Minister of Britain, Neville Chamberlain.

The government of the United States of America did not enter into the war against Nazi Germany until after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941.

The government of the United States refused to accepted Jewish people who were trying to flee from Europe during the 1940's. The governments of almost all Western countries refused to accepted Jewish refugees during the 1940's. Britain allowed refuge in Britain to some very few (I think a few hundred or less) Jewish people who were fleeing from the Nazi regime of Germany in Europe, but members of the government of Britian also engaged in a diplomatic campaign to prevent, and the granting of refuge in any Western country of any Jewish people who were trying to flee from being murdered by the Nazi regime of Germany in Europe.

During the 1930's and 1940's, The New York Times, a newspaper whose owners were ethnically Jewish-European and politically "Liberal", deliberately - out of common Jewish-European deep profound fear of being seen as advocates of the Jewish people by ethnically non-Jewish ethnically European people - played down and hid the reality of the persecution of the Jewish people in Germany by Nazi regime of Germany, and then played down and hid the reality of the subsequent mass-murder of the Jewish people in all of Europe by the Nazi regime of Germany.

During the 1930's and 1940's, leaders of so-called 'Jewish Organizations' in the United States, deliberately - out of common Jewish-European deep profound fear of being seen as advocates of the Jewish people by ethnically non-Jewish ethnically European people - sabotaged efforts by some Zionist Jewish people and by other Jewish people, to rescue Jewish people in Europe from being murdered by the Nazi regime of Europe.

If, in the 1930's, the governments of Western countries had non-violently opposed the Nazi regime of Germany, and had, with non-violent skillful actions, prevented Germany from becoming militarily powerful, World War II, and the mass-murder of almost all of the Jewish people in Europe - the mass-murder of approximately six million men, women, and children - by the members of the Nazi regime of Germany and by many of the millions of supporters of the Nazi regime of Germany, would have been averted and would not have taken place.

The governments and societies of Western countries, in some cases, allowed, and in other cases, actively participated in, the mass-murder of almost all of the Jewish people in Europe.

Soon after World War II, Allan Dulles, the then-head of the newly-founded CIA, recruited several thousand German former officials of the Nazi regime of Germany to the CIA. Those German former officials of the Nazi regime of Germany formed the founding bulk and core of the CIA. The Nazi regime of Germany was an ideologically-based political regime whose members were all adherents of its ideology, and which was an ideology whose central belief was the belief in an evil world-wide Jewish conspiracy to destroy what the members of the Nazi regime of Germany called "Christian civilization", and was an ideology whose central goal was the annihilation of the Jewish people. The fact that the founding membership of the Secret Service agency of the United States of America was constituted mainly of several thousand former officials of the Nazi regime of Germany is not trivial. The fact that this is rationalized as being "acceptable" by, and is considered trivial by, some people is a manifestation of the deep profound engrained nature of anti-Jewish bigotry in Western society. The Nazi regime of Germany was fully supported by, and endorsed by, the Christian Catholic Church. The fact that the Nazi regime of Germany was fully supported by and endorsed by the Christian Catholic Church is not trivial. The fact that the fact that the Nazi regime of Germany was fully supported by, and endorsed by, the Christian Catholic Churcht is ignored and denied by millions of people in Western societies is a manifestation of the deep profound engrained nature of anti-Jewish bigotry in Western society. The CIA and the State Department of the United States of America have, for several decades, been engaged in an effort to undermine the country of the Jewish people, Israel. This is not trivial.

Western (Culturally Christian-European) Anti-Jewish Bigotry and The Role It Plays in The Current Situation in The World

The following is an essay that was posted, as multiple comments, by an anonymous commenter, on a post on the blog A Liberal Defence of Israel ( http://mid-eastplus.blogspot.com ), which is a blog by Denis Maceoin.

http://mid-eastplus.blogspot.com/2010/07/lies-lies-and-lies-about-lies.html?showComment=1279117634509#c4188327328578745386

Today, there are many countries that have a profound sense of cultural identity, which clearly shows in their traditional approach to answering life's great questions by way of religion.

Many countries for instance adhere to traditional Buddhist concepts that have shaped their identity, like Japan, Taiwan or Thailand. Hinduism has shaped India. Many countries on the other hand recognize themselves as inheritors of Christian traditions (at the very least in the nominal sense), and quite a lot of others would define themselves as Islamic states by default. (even if some of them are officially considered secular governments)

Alas, some religious adherents are likely to emphasize and embrace a particular part of their traditional religious ideology as one of the main core concepts, making all spiritual content de facto redundant. To such fanatics, Anti-Semitism overrules all ethical/spiritual concepts such a religion might hold.

Regardless of my own opinions on religion (being a secular humanist, rather than religiously inspired in any way), I find it strikingly odd that there seems to be such an awful lot of disproportionate opposition to the notion of Zionism as a logical outcome of Jews' desire to constitute the boundaries of a nation-state that has its profound roots in Judaism. It is quite clear to me that the concept of cultural identity stems from a longing to feel secure and united among those who share a more or less common culture and ancestry and share the same vision on what the future of this cultural identity should look like. A nation-state therefore is the best means to preserve cultural identity. It is quite worrying today that Western self-proclaimed intelligentsia have taken it upon them to pursue the inherent Anti-Semitic rhetoric which is inherent to Islam as a totalitarian ideology, to revile the policies of a nation like Israel, whereas the same people would never find cause to stick their noses in the internal policies of other nation-states, such as the ones mentioned above.

This more or less suggests to me the ridiculous claim of the Left that Anti-Semitism and Anti-Zionism can be treated as separate issues is just a ruse, and basically not worth getting into further, seeing as the Left would never admit to being wrong. Therefore, being nitpicky on such a matter is futile when addressing the 'Moonbat International' directly. Anti-Zionism fits snugly into the main concept of anti-Judaism as a whole in my mind. So there IS a point in outlining the issue from a general perspective, rather than from a polemical one: the mere fact that so many self-declared 'morally righteous' intellectuals display such a great deal of criticism of Israel's policies (while others consistently get off scot-free) is evidence enough of the fact that both are intertwined.

Europe in particular has long carried the first wave of Anti-Semitism, starting with the advent of Christianity and the globalisation of Roman-Catholicism and therefore predating Islamic Anti-Selitism by at least 600 years. Some people I have debated with in my own personal surroundings have been trying to make me understand that, for instance, there can be no morality without religion. Something I try to disprove in many ways. One of these issues (concerning Christianity in particular) evolves around the concept of some Christians' dogmatic tendency to willy-nilly cling to the historic Christian aversion towards Jews, based on the belief that Jews have actually and intentionally killed God. (Deicide) It is quite odd that such Christians have subscribed to the contemporary Anti-Semitic mythological propaganda of the Liberal left on the one hand, and still seem to think they are able to bludgeon me with the notion that they represent 'Ethical Christianity' ! Conversely, the same also applies to those secular liberals who are marketing their brand of liberalism as ethical, when their Anti-Semitic propaganda seems to be deeply rooted in the same type of Christianity they traditionally proclaim to abhor ! Somehow, I wonder why on earth this concept has emerged intermittently throughout the history of Europe to mobilise people en masse against the cultural entity Jews constitute, and why it seems to have taken precedence over all other issues as of late, to both Christians and secular liberals. In my mind, it would be inhumane to conceive religion in such a way that the vehement a priori hatred of a culturally distinct group should be incorporated by default into a religion that calls itself ethical. (which also makes Islam at fault, in more than one way even, make no mistake about it)

Being shameful enough as this is, it also has spawned many Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories to 'substantiate' the central tenet of Deicide. And as a consequence, such a prejudiced type of thinking has kept re-affirming itself even during the Reformation. (Calvinism, Lutheranism,...etc) Even the mind of Enlightenment thinkers became infested with it. And in the end, it became the staple diet of authoritarian ideologies, such as Nazism and even Stalinism.(Soviet Anti-Semitism was dressed up as Zionology, a term designed to make anti-Semitism look scientifically 'viable')

Anti-Judaism is not a concept that belongs exclusively to either the left or the right, as we well know today. It couldn't be more obvious in 2010 that even those who proclaim to be progressive liberals are still profoundly infected with what is essentially known as a deeply (and humanely uncalled for) Christian concept. Being sceptical of all religions, and specifically when they behave like totalitarian doctrines that incorporate pre-conceived attitudes toward cultural minorities, it seems to me that those who claim to be independent thinkers in this day and age in a sense still behave like medieval paupers mobilised by Christian propaganda to wage war on Jews. And therefore, it should only be natural to them (I suppose) to go committing themselves to the 'Palestinian cause'. Seemingly paradoxical, the Left clings to this cause with the sublimated religious fervor and fanaticism which is akin to medieval European Christianity !

Ridiculous as it may seem, it is quite clear to me that progressive liberals have de-'Christianized' this long anti-Semitic legacy in order to not look bigoted or conservative, but as a matter of fact nothing has changed. Today some Christians still lay emphasis on this despicable legacy of prejudice, alongside neo-Nazis, Leftists and even some secular Humanists, and across political borders they forge bonds with each other on this very issue, and taking Islamic anti-Semitism into account as a means to justify their actions and thoughts, even !

Not being Jewish myself, I can't really understand what makes some people in the Western world seem so deeply 'traumatized' by a type of unquestioned, ill-conceived propaganda that has been handed down from one generation to the next throughout history to still warrant such criticism of Israel. As if some layers of society are profoundly indoctrinated and predestined to cling to Anti-Semitism like the proverbial 'shit to a blanket'. As if they behave like Pavlovian dogs that have been conditioned to drool or bark as soon as the word 'Israel' gets mentioned. Which inevitably begs the question how liberated these so-called liberals really are. Considering the fact that Jews have created a nation-state on the very basis that they couldn't possibly have guaranteed their long-term safety as a cultural entity in Europe at some points in history, it is quite self-explanatory to me that Anti-Zionism = Anti-Semitism. We have no business in meddling with the internal affairs of Israel, unless the point of this would be to openly demonstrate how intolerant we are (!)

Those who want to fanatically cling to the despicable notion that someone is identifiably perpetually guilty of some mythical wrongdoing by default, can't ever expect to point their finger of 'moral supremacy' at me and think they can get away with it unchallenged. Those who make such claims are not ethical to begin with, neither are they morally superior in any way. And whether they like to call themselves Christians or secular liberals or whatever is really beside the point.

However, this doesn't necessarily imply that ALL Christians, or secular liberals are to blame. Quite the contrary, rather. Which means I also recognize the fact that those Christians, liberals, conservatives and secular Humanists (among others) in the West that have abolished this myth of 'Innate Guilt of Jews' from their personal belief system are indeed worthy of the praise that's due to them and the blogs they have created, for they realise, just as I have, that perpetuating such myths can only be attributed to those people who first and foremost want to covet a rotten mind, hating for the sake of hatred itself, and nothing more than that. To me, there is definitely a clear distinction between those who treat religion or secular ideology as a transcendent Absolute Truth that cannot be questioned in any way and those who have criticized the troublesome aspects of religion and politics from a personal viewpoint (both Christians and others alike), in order to adapt and transform both to a belief that envisions religion/philosophy as something that can be truly ethical. As long as religion and ideology behave in a dogmatic fashion and people enslave themselves to tunnel-vision, our society can't possibly call itself liberated in any way, and anti-Semitism will remain part and parcel of a despicable legacy that to some (rather than many, I hope) still has unquestionable 'validity'.

I am afraid though, that this issue has not been adressed sufficiently by some of these blogs however. Although some ideologies that dress up as religions, like Islam, are fundamentally inhumane, this should not make us blind to the fact that some Christian religious fanatics have made common cause with Islamists, just like the Left-wing and neo-Nazis have done. Anti-Semitism in fact is a much older 'tradition' than we would like to be reminded of, regardless of the innate inhumanity of Islam.

The following is a link to an article that presents the nature of the psychology of Western (Christian-European) anti-Jewish bigotry.

"Worth a thousand Words - Picturing the Antisemitic Imagination"; The article begins on the page down past the top of the page
http://web.mac.com/catherinechatterley/Catherine_Chatterley/Publications.html

The Responsibility of Members of the Republican Party for the Current Situation

The eugenics movement was founded in the United States by wealthy ethnically West-European industrialists and financiers in the United States who, I think, were members of the Republican political establishment of the United States, and who, I think, subsequently financed the Nazi regime of Germany.

I think that senior members of the Republican political establishment of the United States were colluders with the members of, and, subsequently, were supporters of, and colluders with, former members of, the Nazi regime of Germany. The vast majority of the officials of the Nazi regime of Germany, including the majority of the senior officials of the Nazi regime of Germany, were never arrested nor captured nor tried for crimes. The fact that this is the case and that this is ignored, and viewed as being trivial by the Western world, is a demonstration of, and a manifestation of, the deep profound anti-Jewish bigotry that is a normal, normative, engrained part of culturally Christian-European - Christian and post-Christian - culture. The vast majority of the officials of the Nazi regime of Germany lived out, and are living out, their lives as free people, and, I think, continued, and are continuing, their ideology, and developed a strategy of the organization of their political movement as an underground movement, and, I think, formed powerful organizations and commercial corporations.

The original, and the most instrumental, agent in bringing adherents of the Nazi-influenced, formerly-Nazi-allied, modern Islamic-Supremacist political movement into positions of influence in the United States, was Grover Norquist, a member of the Republican political establishment.

The Responsibility of Members of Western Academia for, and The Responsibility of Members of The Democratic Political Party for, the Current Situation

The Jewish-conspiracy-theory-based anti-Jewish anti-Israeli movement in the United States was most influentially instigated by the lie-filled, Jewish-conspiracy-theory-lie-propagating, anti-Jewish anti-Israeli propaganda book "The Israel Lobby" by academics John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, and by the lie-filled, lie-propagating, anti-Jewish anti-Israeli book "Peace not Apartheid" by former representative of the Democratic party and former President of the United States, Jimmy Carter.

In the book "The Israel Lobby" by John Mearshimer and Stephen Walt, Mearshimer and Walt falsely claim that there is popular support in Israel for the forcible transfer of Arab people, which is falsely claimed popular support that, and which is population transfer that, Mearshimer and Walt denounce. The following is what Israeli journalist Ben Dror Yemini wrote about the policy of population transfer that John Mearsheimer advocated in a situation that did not involve the country of the Jewish people.

"It is interesting, however, that Mearsheimer, who fulminates against Israel for the popular support for transfer, himself wrote in a New York Times op-ed in 1993 that the only solution to the chaos in the Balkans was the creation of "ethnically homogeneous states." Needless to say, as Mearsheimer wrote, "Creating homogeneous states would require transferring populations and drawing new borders""

"Ben-Dror Yemini: 'And the World is Lying' - The Plight of the Refugees"
http://www.solomonia.com/blog/archives/009518.shtml

One of the most influential agents of the political policy of undermining the country of the Jewish people, Israel, is Zbigniew Brzezinski, who was the National Security Advisor of Jimmy Carter during the United States Presidential Administration of Jimmy Carter, and who was the National Security Advisor of Barack Obama.

Zbigniew Brzezinski started the global Islamic-Supremacist movement.

Zbigniew Brzezinski supported the overthrow of the Shah of Iran and orchestrated the bringing to power of the Islamic-Supremacist Ayatolla Ruhollah Khoeini as the ruler of Iran as, and brought to power the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan as, part of an effort that Brzezinski engaged in which he viewed as being an strategic effort to destroy the Soviet Union by unleashing Islamic terrorism against the Soviet Union.

The following is an excerpt of an interview, from 1998, with Zbigniew Brzezinski in the French newspaper Le Nouvel Observateur (Jan 15-21, 1998, p. 76*)

"Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.

Brzezinski: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn't a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries."

Zbigniew Brzezinski consciously destroyed two nations, Iran and Afghanistan, of which one, Iran, was an ally of the United States, in order to achieve a goal that he wanted to achieve, and Zbigniew Brzezinski consciously unleashed the global Islamic-Supremacist movement, which he viewed, and, I think, still views, as not being a serious danger to the whole world.

I remember hearing or reading an interview of someone who recounted having a meal with Zbigniew Brzezinski and his wife, and who recounted that Brzezinski's wife began to verbally attack Israel, slandering Israel, and that when he, that person, started to say something to correct her, Brzezinski's wife shouted at him something like, or shouted exactly, "Shut up! You don't know what you're talking about!"

The Current State of the Relationship Between Western Academia and The Islamic Supremacist Current Regime of Iran

"Relating to Iran, in seminar and in person" - Jackson Institute fellow arranges private meeting with Iranian president for students in her graduate seminar; Yale hosts friendly meeting of Yale students with Mahmoud Amadenijad; the text of the caption from the photo in the article: "Thirteen Yale students met with Iranian President Ahmadinejad after his controversial speech at the UN last Thursday."
http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2010/sep/27/relating-to-iran-in-seminar-and-in-person/

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Daniel Bielak
http://www.youtube.com/user/danielbielak

Daniel Bielak, with respect, instead of posting the same thing repeatedly how about lust a link to the YouTube video or set up your own website and link to that?

Thanks.

Daniel Beilak:

In other words, history and current events document that the palestinians are blood brothers of the nazis who carry on their genocidal legacy today.

O.K.

Abu_Lahab, thank you for your politeness.

Sashland, yes. Succinctly stated. That is the main fact that needs to be communicated to the world.

Abraham_Lincoln, thank you for the polite and kind advice and compliment.

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Daniel Bielak
http://www.youtube.com/user/danielbielak

Back in the 1930s it would have been a mistake to perceive Hitler and the Nazi's as simply and exclusively anti-communist and anti-ethnic Russian (which they were). And back then it would have been a mistake to perceive them as merely wanting a modestly enlarged Greater Germany (which they did want). And it would have been mistaken to think of them as simply and exclusively murderously anti-Jewish (which they were). And so on. The intentions of the Nazis were to take over and subjugate the whole civilized world. (Am I exagerating about that?) Basing Allied strategy on one of those incomplete tunnel-vision perceptions would have been bad strategy at that time. Similarly nowadays vis a vis Islam.

He may think it not unreasonable to assume that the Pope knows all this also, and is just being obstinate in his refusal to acknowledge the divine inspiration of the Qur'an -- a very common assumption among Muslims.
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Very, very important point.

This also explains at least some of the fanatical hatred so many Muslims have for Infidels. They believe that—somehow—Infidels already know all about Islam, and "perversely" reject it, fully realizing that they are rejecting the "word of God".

Contrast this with the Christian point of view, where they believe it is the obligation of Christians to spread the "good news" to those who have not yet heard it.

Just from this one point, you can see how differently the two groups are thus likely to regard non-believers.

Sashland,

The Arab people who are now called 'the Palestinians' are indoctrinated and victimized by their leaders. It is not the Arab people who are now called 'the Palestinians', per se, who are the blood brothers of the Nazis who carry on their genocidal legacy today.

It is the 'Palestinian movement' and its organizations, Fatah-PLO-PalestinianAuthority and Hamas, and, most dangerously, the Islamic Supremacist current regime of Iran that is the genocidal legacy of the Nazis, and it is the members of the organziations of the 'Palestinian movement', Fatah-PLO-PalestinianAuthority and Hamas, and the adherents of the 'Palestinian movement', and most dangerously, the members of the Islamic Supremacist current regime of Iran, who are the blood brothers of the Nazis who carry on their legacy today.

Pope John Paul II had a habit of kissing the objects he received as gifts.

In my home town, JP2 received a hockey stick and a guitar, both of which he kissed. Both of those items merit kissing more than the filthy Qu'ran. I do wish he had not kissed that book of hate.

In his book, "Crossing the Threshhold of Hope," he describes Islam as a non-redemptive faith, i.e., not of salvific value. I wish that he would have strongly condemned it as a heresy, the way previous pontiffs have, but today even popes are trained not to poke the beast.

Something else--this statement by Javadi-Amoli is a provocation. Of course, Benedict XVI will not equate the Muslim book of lies and hate with authenic Scriptures, and when he does not, uh-oh, insult perceived.

I cannot see how regimes like those in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Libya, Egypt and similar ones are going to change in anyway whatsoever in their approach. We CANNOT change them. No matter how much the western governments voice their loudest condemnation of terrorism and extremism they are the ones who fueled it and continue to do so. The UN, created for peace and human rights, has more or less become a puppet of the worst violators, the OIC. The free world watches.

China, one of the worst cases where human rights are concerned, was brought back to the mainstream economic order by none other than the US itself. Richard Nixon was the one to do it. Currently, in economic terms the US is in deep debt to China. A recent opinion survey puts Hu Jintao as the most powerful man on earth. Saudi Arabia, despite all the terrorist funding, the 9/11 perpetrators being from that kingdom, continues to be coddled by the US. The failed state of Pakistan is as much a creation of
the US and Britain as it is of their own politicians. There is no shortage of examples on this account.

Communism was a cold threat, Islam has been a real danger ever since it came into existence. The real challenge has to be to change our own governments' approach. The Pope kissing the koran is not of any great significance really. A Holy man is not wrong in respecting other religions even if some parts of it are evil. That just makes him holier even. Evil exists outside religion too.

The first real change in free democratic societies has to come in the form of immigration reforms. Before attempting to fight evil abroad, stop the flow of "potential" evil inward. The US does carry out profiling and denies visas to muslim sounding names but that is not an official policy. The first step is to stop immigration from countries which have constitutions or legal systems dynamically opposite to a democratic society. Asylum seekers in Britain are known to cause havoc once given asylum. Criminals from democratic countries have found refuge in Britan and Canada. Freedom is not free. It is our government policies we must aim to change, and the change elsewhere will follow.

"We expect the Pope to... consider the Qur'an as holy as the Gospels and Torah and condemn the disgraceful act of torching the Qur'an,"

Torching the quran is not disgraceful, but suggesting that it is holy IS! There is nothing holy about the quran, since anything written by a lying, thieving, murdering pedophile cannot possibly be holy. In fact the quran is nothing more than an evil manual for murder. Holy? The One true God hates the quran ...

Another Iranian maniac...

Oops! I meant to cite Median, not gerard.

Mea culpa.

Meta-oops!

Medina, not Median (sp?)

Mea maximua culpa.

Bhobby,
I believe you are incorrect vis-a-vis Hitler's designs to take over the entire world. He, in fact, limited his ambitions to Europe and a portion of Western Asia. He did not even have any plans for Spain. He was willing to allow the Mufti of Jerusalem to command the Middle East understanding that the Mufti would kill all the Jews there. He had no ambitions at all regarding sub-Saharan Africa. He allowed that the Japanese would dominate the Far East including India and it never crossed his mind to do anything about the Western Hemisphere at all. Part of Hitller's "limited" ambition was due to his belief he didn't have long to live and he wouldn't have time to extend his geographic designs. In light of all this Hitler was less of a threat than either Islam or Communism both of which did/do have worldwide ambitions......P.S. I do, however, think Franco was probably in trouble if Hitler had won in Russia.

Since its first contact, the catholic (means universal) church has opposed islam. It was the force which motivated the defense of Europe. For the grand imam to request this shows tho things. First, for the Catholic Church to acknowledge the koran means surrender in a thousand-year war. Second it demonstrates the new meaning of total war; it being defined as conflict of body, mind and spirit.

Dear(?) Grand Ayatollah Abdollah Javadi Amoli,
You are cordially invited to hold your breath until the Pope--or any other serious Christian--consider the koran in any way holy.

He is expecting the Pope to submit to Islam as dominant and to condemn the burning of the Quran but acknowledge the "right" of Muslims to burn Bibles and plunder/subjugate/torture/kill Christians and Jews as written in the Quran? Spoken as someone blinded by their own pride, arrogance, self-importance, and greed.

Keep dreaming Bozo! Those books are fake and must be destroyed!

Sashland,

Yes, It seems as though a majority of the 'Palestinian' Arab people hold bigoted genocidal views about, and feel genocidal antipathy toward, the country the Jewish people.

They, for several generations, have been, indoctrinated, by the members of Fatah-PLO (now called the Palestinian Authority), and by the members of Hamas, and by the media of the regimes of the Muslim Arab states in the Middle East (and, to a lesser, and more subtle degree, by the news media of Western states) with, and are currently being indoctrinated (by those same people) with, lies that vilify Israel and the Jewish people.

They have been deprived of comfortable living conditions by (and have had millions of dollars of aid stolen from them by), Fatah-PLO (now called the Palestinian Authority (Fatah-PLO-PalestinianAUthority)), and Hamas, and, in the case of the 'Palestinian' Arab people living in 'refugee camps' in Muslim Arab states, the members of the regimes of those Muslim Arab states, and they have been oppressed by the brutal totalitarian governance of Fatah-PLO (now called the Palestinian Authority (Fatah-PLO-PalestinianAuthority)), and Hamas.

If the West would just, at least, leave Israel alone and let Israel, or at best, join with Israel to, undermine and destroy (most beneficially, non-violently destroy) Fatah-PLO-PalestinianAuthority and Hamas, and, at least, let, or, at best, help, Israel help the 'Palestinian' Arab poeple, then the situation could be made better. It would take skillful effort and action, and time, for the 'Palestinian' Arab people to be weened from their indoctrination of racist hatred towards Israel, but, eventually, it could and would happen, and it would be good. That is what needs to happen in order for the situation to be made better.

I wrote,

"...If the West would just...at least, let, or, at best, help, Israel help the 'Palestinian' Arab people..."

or, what would be more normal relative to how similar situations are resolved when none of the people involved are Jewish, and especially when the people who are being attacked are not Jewish,

...If the West (the members of the governments of Western countries (Western states)) and/or the members of the regimes of Arab states, would just help the 'Palestinian' Arab people...

Dream on Grand Ayatollah...I wish one could buy toilet paper with Koran verses printed on it - I'd be one of the best customers for it.

Well.....

I think John Paul 2 kissed the damned thing....
A Muslim who dont know much about Western political correctness could take this as a sign that thr Pope of Rome acknologes it as devine.

Of course the Ayatolah should know better and is just pressuring.

The Pope cannot remain true to his faith if he even considers the ridiculous request made by the Iranian Grand Ayatollah. The Koran and its related texts cannot be considered holy by faithful Christians or Jews. Allah is not the one True G-d. G-d is life and love, allah is death and hate! G-d is pure goodness, allah is pure evil. Only one entity mixes truth in with lies, and wants to be G-d but he is not. Hint ... G-d cast him out of heaven.

Hopefully, the Pope will not respond to the Ayatollah or if he does he will deny any such sanction. I believe that the Pope has a real faith in G-d, and that he will never agree that Islam is holy. If I am wrong and he does, then he cannot have real faith and he may destroy the Catholic religion. I pray that this does not happen.