Muslim woman who stabbed MP wanted to be a "martyr": "that's the best way to die ... it's in the Qur'an"

It sure is in the Qur'an: "Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph." (Qur'an 9:111)

Note also the supersessionism and historical revisionism. Somehow, all those military campaigns Jesus led, and all those people Jesus had whacked (as in Muhammad's conduct toward Asma bint Marwan and Abu 'Afak, and Kab bin Ashraf) just didn't make it into the Gospels as we know them. But this is the Qur'an's command and promise: Kill for Allah. Be killed for Allah. Be rewarded beyond your imagination for all eternity.

The fact that the verse claims that "bargain" is eternally binding on Allah from time immemorial, and that it appeared in the elusive, "true," Islamically-correct Torah and Gospel only underscores that this command Muhammad claimed to have received from above was a general prescription not limited by time or place, but a blank check for terror in the cause of Islam. These are the consequences.

More on this story. "Roshonara Choudhry: Police interview extracts," by Vikram Dodd for the Guardian, November 3 (thanks to StephenA55):

This interview was conducted four hours after Choudhry's arrest for stabbing Stephen Timms. Choudhry was interviewed by Simon Dobinson, a detective sergeant from Newham police, with detective constable Syed Hussain. Choudhry says she was studying English and Communications at King's College London, but dropped out on 27 April 2010, in her third year.
Simon Dobinson So what made you drop out of that?
Choudhry 'Cos ... because King's College is involved in things where they work against Muslims.
Q  OK. What sort of things?
A  Last year, or the year before, they gave an award to Shimon Peres [Israeli politician] and they also have a department for tackling radicalisation ... So I just didn't wanna go there anymore ... 'cos it would be against my religion.
Q OK, and when did you sort of make that decision?
A About a month ago. [...]
Q So tell me what thought process you went through before you made that phone call?
A I thought that it's not right that he voted for the declaration of war in Iraq.
Q When did you start thinking about that?
A Over the last few months.
Q What's led you to start thinking about that?
A I've been learning more about Islam.
Q Where have you been learning that?
A Internet.
Q What websites you been looking at?
A I've been listening to lectures by Anwar al-Awlaki. [...]
A I down loaded it off of the internet ... Explaining stories from the Qur'an and explaining about jihad.
Q And has that contributed to your decision to leave King's?
A Yes.
Q And where was the link there then?
A I thought that I should have loyalty to my Muslim brothers and sisters in Palestine and so I should leave King's and that would show my loyalty to them.
Q  Who have you been watching these lectures with?
A I listen to them on my own.
Q  So when did you decide: 'From what I've learnt, I'm now gonna go and stab Stephen Timms?'
A A couple of weeks ago. It's three weeks ago, four weeks ago.
Q So it's quite recent?
A Yep.
Q  Before you finished college? After?
A Before.
Q And that was 27 April, if I remember rightly, was it?
A Yep.
Dobinson How do you feel now about what you've done today?
Choudhry I feel like I did what I'd planned to do.
Q OK, do you want to tell me more? Tell me what you're thinking now? Tell me what your thoughts about what you've done today are.
A I feel like I've ruined the rest of my life. I feel like it's worth it because millions of Iraqis are suffering and I should do what I can to help them and not just be inactive and do nothing while they suffer. [...]
Hussain I just want to go over a little bit how your thought has gone from getting to religion to all of a sudden wanting some form of vengeance.
A Because as Muslims we're all brothers and sisters and we should all look out for each other and we shouldn't sit back and do nothing while others suffer. We shouldn't allow the people who oppress us to get away with it and to think that they can do whatever they want to us and we're just gonna lie down and take it.
Q Where did you learn that from?
A From listening to his lectures.
Q And that's caused you to do what you've done today?
A Yeah.
Q OK. Just a couple of other things. You bought the knives, you say, two to three weeks ago ... Where did you keep 'em?
A Underneath the bed in a shoebox.
Q How did you feel about what you was about to do?
A I was a bit nervous about what I was gonna do but I felt like it had to be done and it's the right thing to do.
Q Having done it, how do you feel now?
A I feel like I did my best to fulfil my duty to the other Muslims.
Dobinson ... What did you think was gonna happen once you'd carried out your intentions?
Choudhry I thought that I would either get arrested or maybe I would like get killed or something.
Q How would you get killed?
A Like, if the police came and they had guns.
Q [Inaudible] take me through your thought process about that then?
A Oh no, I was just thinking about the possibilities and I thought it's either getting arrested or being killed. But either way I knew I wasn't coming back home again.
Q What, what did you think about getting killed then?
A I wanted to die.
Q Why?
A I wanted to be a martyr.
Q Why's that then?
A 'Cos, erm, that's the best way to die.
Q Who told you that?
A It's an Islamic teaching.
Q Where did you learn that?
A It's ... it's in the Koran and I learnt it from listening to lectures as well....

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And what does a mahoundian woman get if she dies through martyrdom? I remember having read one of those loads of qurap from IslamQ&A, one of those ending with "allaaaaah knows best", in which the e-imam told a woman that, if she deserved to go to paradise, allaaaaaah would change her sexual needs and desires on judgment day, so that she wouldn't mind seeing her owner copulating non-stop with the 72 virgins or raisins he was going to get (of course, the boys from Mein Qurampf 76:19 were not mentioned, but we all know that they're really all what mahoundian males truly want to go to paradise for.)

But well, the bottom line of that stuff from IslamQ&A was the reward of a mahoundian woman going to paraside would be to watch her owner enjoying himself with all of his rewards, and not a damn thing else.

"A I feel like I've ruined the rest of my life. I feel like it's worth it because millions of Iraqis are suffering and I should do what I can to help them and not just be inactive and do nothing while they suffer. [...]"


Of course she failed to notice that the direct cause of Iraqi suffering is due to other Muslims killing them...

Ignorance is blast.

Obviously, as we all know this woman is crazy.

Simon Dobinson: So what made you drop out of that?
Choudhry: 'Cos ... because King's College is involved in things where they work against Muslims.
Q  OK. What sort of things?
A  Last year, or the year before, they gave an award to Shimon Peres [Israeli politician] and they also have a department for tackling radicalisation ... So I just didn't wanna go there anymore ... 'cos it would be against my religion.

She sounds like a child.

I wonder if she's a Lesbian who's after the 72 virgins, or a pedophile lusting after the pretty little boys.

Reading Choudhrys answers, it seems to me like she didn't understand her own religion, too well.

A lot of vague responses. If I were commanded by my religion to commit murder, I would at least want to be able to cite a few specific quotes, and chapters, to justify myself.

It stands to reason that nobody bothered to tell Choudhry that there's not much for her to look forward to, in paradise.

If a woman has only half the value of a man on earth, then why would it be any different in Allahs paradise ?

Allah did not have kind things to say about the women he created...

Choudhry 'Cos ... because King's College is involved in things where they work against Muslims.

Q  OK. What sort of things?

A  Last year, or the year before, they gave an award to Shimon Peres [Israeli politician] and they also have a department for tackling radicalisation ... So I just didn't wanna go there anymore ... 'cos it would be against my religion.
.......................

Here's how much King's College "work[s] against Muslims". This story, from earlier this year:

"Islamic preacher who called Jews 'filth' to speak at London university"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/islamic-preacher-who-called-jews-filth-to-speak-at-london-university.html

As Robert Spencer wryly asked at the time, "Will the Islamophobia never end?"

The transcript makes it as clear as can be that Islam teaches violence. And if one of our resident trolls says it was Al-Wacky that taught her violence not the Qur'an, then where did he get the idea from?

Al Qur'an, of course. The wacky Qur'an.

If women are half the worth of men... what do female martyrs get in paradise? 36 virgin men??

"Q Who told you that?
A It's an Islamic teaching.


nod , wink...wink

""what do female martyrs get in paradise? 36 virgin men??""

Whats the fun in that for a woman? 1 male virgin or 36, they would all be incompetent. Let the women here correct me if I am wrong.

Choudhry says she was studying English and Communications at King's College London, but dropped out on 27 April 2010, in her third year.

She dropped out of Uni two months before she was due to graduate!? And no one puts two and two together?

OK, I'm playing armchair psychologist here, but it seems pretty obvious to me, she knew she was going to flunk college, probably hadn't even started her thesis, and rather than knuckle down to the job in hand it was easier for her to project her failings onto to someone else.

And having looked to Islam for a get-out clause, she probably found that, as a woman, she shouldn't even have been studying non-Muslim subjects let alone going out of the house without a chaperone. So, having discovered she was a sinner against the dictates of Mohammed, she had to atone for her sins. And, as seems to be usual for Muslims, her atonement required the spilling someone else's blood.

Islam is more important than graduation, evidently. Well, strictly speaking, for a Muslim or Muslimah; nothing is more important than Islam.

I don't buy her line that she'd been stewing on this course of action for merely a few months, or even that Al-Awlaki-on-the-internet was the spark that fired her up. .yunno, it all just seems to a little too tidy for her to serve him up as her mentor. .after all, he's already in the safe-house of Yemen, and even The Independant on Sunday had a frontpage pic of Alwhacky praying devoutly with the caption 'Made in America' emblazoned above. . I'd almost bet that she's covering for a vipers nest of dubious characters in her social circle. .as evidenced by the goings on at The Old Bailey yesterday.

OK the detectives (perhaps just one of them) used vernacular English or regional degradation of standard English but Choudhry was,"like, cos, gonna". a STUDENT of English who was likely to "get a first" as her lecturer suggested. I despair.
Call me a pedant if you like but this is NOT English and if THAT is her standard then a 1st should not have been even thought possible. A FAIL would have been nearer.

Kings College was once a highly respected institution. It clearly is now down to 3rd world standards - or at least for Muslims studying English.

To the main point. Seems that Choudhry, like Lauren (I'm up to page 60) Booth really hadn't bothered to fully read the evil text called the Koran - or the Hadiths. Had she bothered then perhaps she might have realised that martydom is reserved for men. The Holy Prophet (Curses be upon him) seemed to suggest that most if not all women would be confined to hell - along with we infidels.
Whatever. Having seen the photos of Roshonara Choudhry I now fully understand why Muslim men wish to totally cover their women.

Q OK. It seems quite a long time to be there and almost to the end of that course, you know, the end and just to let it go. Is there any ... did you have any problems understanding the course?

A I was the top student.
-------------------------------------------------

I think you are making presumptions without reading the whole thing.

It is quite possible she knew she was going to fail or had not gotten the Thesis done. If that was in fact true, the reason could be a direct result in having gotten caught up in the Jihadi sermons and not getting the homework done.

What is interesting about Anwar Al Awlaki is in addition to being the "go to" man by the media after 9/11, he was the Imam at the Dar al-Hijrah Mosque. This mosque is well known for being the one attended by two of the 9/11 hijackers, Maj Nidal Malik Hasan (FT Hood Shooter), Ahmed Omar Abu Ali (convicted of supporting Al Queda terrorists organization).

A I was the top student.

Yes, I did read the full thing, thanks, but what a person claims about herself is not necessarily the objective truth.

Maybe female martyrs get to be virgins thirty-six times.

Perhaps if their deeds are truly stunning in the eyes of Allah, they become men in paradise - who can tell? It is a strange savage religion that has for too long enjoyed the imprimatur of tradition and respect it never deserved.

well erm...cos its the best way t die
& this crone is a top student.....
taking english language!!!!!
sounds like she can hardly string a sentence together
jeeez! man..that quran, everything it touches, turns to qurap

I hear your call but a bit unlikely. Better that she was executed and then buried clothed in pigskin. Sadly in the UK we no longer execute murderers or those who attempt murder.
Shame for Europe and the UK

And others.

The fact that she speaks vernacular London English means she was born and grew up in the UK.

As to her English, as with everyone else the standard of written English has gone down the tubes in the last 20 years. This is particularly true in the major cities where many children do not speak it at home. It is common to have "British" born children turn up at school at the age of 5 not speaking a word of English.

The way they got round this problem was to decree that it was outdated to have correct spelling, grammar etc. as long as it was understandable. Anything else "discriminated" against minorities.

This not only applies to minorities I had a 3 page letter from one university student and showed it to a teacher friend. She asked "Is English his first Language?" Yes even though he came from Wales - it would not have been accepted from a 15 year old when I was at High School.

So do not blame her for that. The whole damn education system has been dumbed down to make the figures right.

"Note also the supersessionism and historical revisionism. Somehow, all those military campaigns Jesus led, and all those people Jesus had whacked ... just didn't make it into the Gospels as we know them. But this is the Qur'an's command and promise: Kill for Allah. Be killed for Allah."

Remember that, according to Mo and the Ko, Jesus was one of the major prophets, who preached the true word of Allah, but the accursed Christians changed all his teachings and the records of his actions. So obviously the real Jesus led pirate raids, and killed hostages, and raped widows, and took 20% of the loot for himself, just like Mo. But the Christians covered all of that up, and invented a pack of lies that they called the New Testament.
Anyway, that's what Mo and the Ko would have us think.

"Qurap"...oh, very good!

"it's in the Quran."

Feh! She must be a smelly "Islamophobe."

From the interview - "We shouldn't allow the people who oppress us to get away with it and to think that they can do whatever they want to us and we're just gonna lie down and take it."

And (I clicked on the link and read the lot - by the way, she refers to surahs 8 and 9 of the Quran, which are the most bloodthirsty of all; I wonder how many 'Guardian' readers will bother to look up those chapters, and whether any of them, on so doing, will get one hell of a shock?) here's more:

('persecution is worse than slaughter') -

'Q So where in the Qur'an does it say that you should go and kill someone?

'A Erm, the main chapters about it are chapter ... chapter eight and chapter nine, I think.

'Q What does that say, can you remember?

'A Erm, it says to ... it says** to fight until there is no more oppression in the land. Because it's better to fight than to be persecuted**".

For the benefit of those new to this site, a reminder that what Muslims consider to be 'oppression' and 'persecution' is not necessarily what *we* think of as oppression and persecution.

Apostate from Islam, Abul Kasem (formerly a Bangladeshi Muslim), discussing what 'oppression' and 'persecution' mean in Islamspeak.

http://www.islam-watch.org/AbulKasem/IslamOppressed.htm

'When is Islam Oppressed?'

Read it. It's a classic. Here's a sample:

'And when all efforts to pursue the Kafirs to convert to Islam have failed, or when the unbelievers resort to rejecting Islam openly, Islam stipulates that they be crucified or maimed. Read this terrible verse from Allah:

'Punishment for waging war against Allah (i.e. the unbelievers who reject Islam) and His messenger is execution (beheading) or crucifixion or cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land...5:33.

'One might still insist that the above verse is applicable only in war situations, when Islam and its founder, Muhammad (or Muslims) are/were attacked in a physical fight.

'Perish this thought, if you want to learn about 'real Islam'.

'**The words, 'waging war', in the above verse has very little to do with real combat (like Iraq, Afghanistan).** {my emphasis - dda}

"*Any* action, activity, remark, gesture, word/s, sound, utterance, look, manner, habit, conduct, style and so on, which are not in conformity with Islamic precepts are considered as blasphemous or 'waging war'."...

And with Abul Kasem's explanations and definitions under our belts, we can take in a few other reflections upon the same theme.

First, Christopher Hitchens, writing the day after the jihad bombings in London in July 2005:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2005/07/08/we-cannot-surrender-115875-15713152/

'We Cannot Surrender"

'We know very well what the "grievances" of the jihadists are.

'The grievance of seeing unveiled women. The grievance of the existence, not of the State of Israel, but of the Jewish people. The grievance of the heresy of democracy, which impedes the imposition of sharia law. The grievance of a work of fiction written by an Indian living in London. The grievance of the existence of black African Muslim farmers, who won't abandon lands in Darfur. The grievance of the existence of homosexuals. The grievance of music, and of most representational art. The grievance of the existence of Hinduism. The grievance of East Timor's liberation from Indonesian rule.

'All of these have been proclaimed as a licence to kill infidels or apostates, or anyone who just gets in the way.

'FOR a few moments yesterday, Londoners received a taste of what life is like for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan, whose Muslim faith does not protect them from slaughter at the hands of those who think they are not Muslim enough, or are the wrong Muslim.

'It is a big mistake to believe this is an assault on "our" values or "our" way of life. It is, rather, an assault on all civilisation...

'The grievances I listed above are unappeasable, one of many reasons why the jihadists will lose.

'They demand the impossible - the cessation of all life in favour of prostration before a totalitarian vision.

'Plainly, we cannot surrender. There is no one with whom to negotiate, let alone capitulate."...

And Hugh Fitzgerald - '95 Other Things [besides the American Presence in Iraq] that Also Fuel Muslim Extremism'

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/10/fitzgerald-95-things-that-fuel-muslim-extremism.html

And to finish off with:

http://amboytimes.typepad.com/the_amboy_times/2007/02/the_list_of_thi.html

FEBRUARY 12, 2007
'The List of Things That Offend Muslims'.

If there were no British troops in Iraq, this murder-minded Muslimah would have found a different grievance. The Religion of Perpetual Outrage is never short of an excuse to attack and kill the non-Muslims.

Wait a minute here.

If there is an agreement with Allah that is eternally binding on that critter, when you consider how powerful Allah is supposed to be, it might be interesting to meet or even discuss the critter that is powerful enough to enforce the agreement.

I propose the Christian God is powerful enough to enforce such an agreement. Who else could it be?

{O.O}

Let me double down on that above comment. If Muslims were not so infernally dangerous they'd be WONDERFUL comedy show material on just such points as "eternally binding" on an absolutely all powerful and all knowing being, who needs help from its angels and such to know what you are doing and thinking....

Islam seems to represent some of the most weird off the wall strange thinking this world has ever seen.

{^_^}

It ain't Allah. If you read the Qur'an, Allah is nothing more than a creation of Mohammed, who appeared to need a supernatural "Big Brother" to threaten his wives with when they got out of hand.

I see no sign of Christian charity or compassion in these comments. Sadly poor Roshonara Choudhry is another of the zillion billion victims of Muhammad. If we had been raised as Muslims, we might be watching jihad sites and purchasing a knife at Tescos.......and spending 15 years in prison. I am an atheist, but I do agree that there but for the grace of God go I.

Point of information:- if she had succeeded and become a martyr -would she get her 72 virgins?
-if so, would they be male or female?
-would she be stoned to death for enjoying her
virgins?
-while enjoying her virgins would a male family
member have to be present?
-would her clitoris be divinely restored for the
occasion?
Just asking...

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