NBC names Ground Zero Mosque developer Sharif El-Gamal "Person of the Year"

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Marisol summarized part of the problem with this here: "Meanwhile, the thug Sharif el-Gamal has been sued for an unpaid loan, and faced eviction from his SoHo office over $39,000 in back rent. He was found to owe $21,000 in fines on a property with 13 violations. And there are other unanswered questions."

El-Gamal has also threatened a Muslim opponent of the Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero; spoken at an event for Hamas-linked CAIR; and has a history of thuggishness, including a recent comment about how beating people up is "exercise & stress relief."

So why is NBC honoring this thug? Because the mainstream media is avid to get this Islamic supremacist mosque built, and the will of the people be damned. You see how the chips are stacked against the 70% of Americans who oppose the mosque: if the media reflected their concerns at all, Pamela Geller would be Person of the Year for her leading the effort to stop the mosque. Instead, this.

"NBC Names Ground Zero Mosque Developer a 'Person of the Year,'" from Pundit Press, November 23 (thanks to R.S.):

NBC and its affiliates have been trounced in ratings over the last several years. With stations like MSNBC under their belt and liberals such as Matt Lauer and Keith Olbermann hosting programs, NBC is clearly disconnected with the average American. Another clear sign of their mismanagement: naming Sharif El-Gamal, developer of the Ground Zero Mosque, one of their "People of the Year."

In an interview set to air on Thanksgiving Day, Matt Lauer sat down with El-Gamal and discussed the "Park 51 Project." El-Gamal, who was apparently pleased to be named one of NBC's people of the year, seemed very comfortable answering questions. The excerpt released so far shows that Mr. Lauer gave El-Gamal a decidedly softball interview. Here is a partial transcript of El-Gamal's opening statements:

"There's going to be a facility here that's going to provide aquatics, uh, uh, uh, a gym, just like a Jewish community center or, or a YMCA. It's going to provide, uh, much needed facilities to the residents of Lower Manhattan."

El-Gamal doesn't mention the inconvenient facts that the JCC has no synagogue and the YMCA has no church.

Lauer responds that there is "one major exception" to El-Gamal's statement, describing the 9/11 terrorist attacks. However, El-Gamal's quickly responded:
"Not once have I held my faith accountable for the horrific events of 9/11. I am an American. I am an American who has a specific belief system, and my belief system, in order to be a Muslim you have to be a good Jew and a good Christian."

This is an Islamic supremacist statement. Islam considers itself to be the perfection and true embodiment of Judaism and Christianity, so El-Gamal's statement is not one of ecumenical generosity, but of supremacist replacement theology indicating the complete delegitimization of Judaism and Christianity.

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If he were a good Christian he would believe in the Trinity and the fact that Jesus was crucified, dead and buried and that He rose on the third day.
If he doesn't believe these simple statements, he is NOT a good Christian.

"Sharif el-Gamal ... unpaid loan ... $39,000 in back rent ... fines on a property with 13 violations ... other unanswered questions."

Sounds like any one of a couple dozen Congressmen or Obama department heads. No wonder NBC thinks so highly of him: he's just like so many of our "ruling elite".

Modern leftism, as opposed to old-fashion liberalism in the Truman and Attlee mold, is a collective idiot. This article just provides more proof of this, as if anymore were needed.

NBC names Ground Zero Mosque developer Sharif El-Gamal "Person of the Year"
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Perhaps El-Gamal's tenant can speak at the dinner—you know, the who had his nose and cheekbones broken by this "Person of the Year"—because he was late on the rent. Surely that would give the audience a better sense of who Sharif El-Gamal truly is.

More:

"Not once have I held my faith accountable for the horrific events of 9/11. I am an American. I am an American who has a specific belief system, and my belief system, in order to be a Muslim you have to be a good Jew and a good Christian."

This is an Islamic supremacist statement. Islam considers itself to be the perfection and true embodiment of Judaism and Christianity, so El-Gamal's statement is not one of ecumenical generosity, but of supremacist replacement theology indicating the complete delegitimization of Judaism and Christianity.
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Excellent point by Robert Spencer. But most credulous Kaffirs will read it as proof that, like Imam Rauf, El-Gamal takes "interfaith dialogue" to heart, and that the "Cordoba House" mosque will be an embodiment of that.

Of course, what the Ground Zero mosque will really embody is just the sort of Islamic supremacism noted above.

And *of course* El-Gamal doesn't hold his faith accountable for 9/11—as every good Muslim knows, Muslims never consider Islam accountable for *anything*.

Besides, as his partner Imam Rauf has said, he holds the US responsible for 9/11.

Paparazzi tip:
When taking a portrait photograph of an Islamist deadbeat thug, always switch off the "red-eye removal" on your camera, to get the correct demonic presentation. Also, try catching the subject's attention with a loud "shalom" - that always makes them look pleased to see you.

Great idea on the former tenant. More on that story can be found here. And for good measure, they might also interview the hooker mentioned in the same article.

With viewership in decline and commensurate fall in advertising revenue, maybe the Saudis are their paymasters? If Oprah, Rachel Ray, Ellen DeGeneris or the View treated this reptillian low-life as an honored guest their ratings would plunge. Let's hope NBC continues digging deeper into the hold they are already in.

"in order to be a Muslim you have to be a good Jew and a good Christian"

A case study in the deceptive rhetoric employed by Muslim spokespeople and advocacy groups. So much of it depends on the expectation that listeners will project their own understanding of certain terms out of ignorance of what they mean in a context informed by Islamic teachings and traditions.

On another note, what Islam has never been able to reproduce is a historical copy of an Islamically correct Torah or Gospel (and not the sad little forgery that the "Gospel of Barnabas" is).

Now, thinking back 2000 years or so, consider the insurmountable logistical obstacles to getting the word out across the Jewish diaspora, and across far-flung Christian communities to utterly obliterate those Islamically correct texts, so that 1.) everyone got the memo, 2.) everyone complied, and no one hid a copy for safe keeping or out of religious fidelity, and 3.) not a single one fell through the cracks.

The revisionist narrative depends on one heck of a conspiracy theory, to say the least.

"in order to be a Muslim you have to be a good Jew and a good Christian"

Behind this comment is the ever present propaganda that Islam is one of the three Abrahamic Faiths. But Islam was forged -if you'll pardon the expression- 2,500 years after the death of Abraham.

So, what on earth has Islam got to do with Abraham? And how convincing is its claim to being Abrahamic?


"I am an American who has a specific belief system, and my belief system, in order to be a Muslim you have to be a good Jew and a good Christian."

He is appealing to the millions who don't know what defines a Christian. It is not attendence at a Christian church. But a change of life that comes from the power of the blood of Jesus Christ, God's only begotten son. Islam doesn't believe God has a son. Not very compatable with Christianity, I'd say.

And, to point out the obvious, mahoundians don't believe that Jesus was the son of God, but rather one of their own prophets, whose message lacked the "perfection" of:

- smiting at the necks of infidels
- slaying them wherever they're found
- raping nine-year-old girls
- killing Jews hiding behind talking stones and trees (without smoking all the crack one would need in order to hear those inanimate objects talk)
- a little obsession with flatulence
- drinking camel pee

And so many other countless wonders which only the message of the "last prophet" could contain, huh?

Where are the Feds? Surely a guy like this has a record of tax evasion that would be enough to send him to prison. Matt Lauer could then follow up with an interview him in the pen, maybe with a couple of prison imams at his side. It'd be great entertainment.

SO...

NBC names this man a "person of the year".

NBC whitewashes this Islamic supremacist slumlord and the shady financial dealings behind it all.

NBC promotes the building of a triumphant mosque, decorated with smashed falling symbols of Israel and the Pentagon.

NBC pundits refuse to acknowledge that landing gear smashed through the roof and landed in the basement of the Burlington Coat Factory, making the site part of Ground Zero.

NBC pisses on the American public's objections.

NBC pisses on the memories of those who died on 9/11.

I think we've all got that straight, now don't we?

Wasn't there a time when NBC stood against totalitarianism - in the shape of Nazism and Communism? And now...? It is actively promoting totalitarianism through this unsavoury symbol of the pro-Sharia movement!

Outrageous!!

"Modern leftism, as opposed to old-fashion liberalism in the Truman and Attlee mold, is a collective idiot."

The problem is that a tiny minority of extremists hijacked the great liberal label in order to disguise and mainstream their radical ideas, all while the silent moderate majority of liberals and the majority of conservatives weren't paying attention. The radicals then were quite successful in transforming the liberal mainstream into the cuckoo's nest it is today, by taking over the academia that educated and continues to educate the future leaders, journalists, artists, teachers and scholars.

As the ex KGB propagandist Yuri Bezmenov put it, all you need to demoralize a nation is to subvert one generation by education. Then in the next stage you destabalize it by dividing society and pitting groups one against the other, no metter on what grounds - blacks vs whites, homosexuals vs heterosexuals, women vs men, one economic system against the other - it finally leads to a crisis, the govenment collapse and then the sleepers emerge and a "messiah" appears to "save" the people from the chaos and take over.

The USSR fell, but the results of its subversion methods are still with us.

Let this goon try any "exercise" on me and his stress will indeed be relieved -- permanently.

Sharif El-Gamal and Feisal Abdul Rauf - Islamic birds of a feather certainly do flock together now don't they...lol

But by all means these evil twins are welcome at any point to join the rest of us filthy disobedient ex-Muslims. We who refuse to praise and obey and believe in pathetic little mohammad and his non-existent evil islamic god allah...

Instead we joyfully curse and spit upon the pages of the vile koran and mock crazy little mad-dog-moe-boy and his evil prophet hood...

...not a chance. Not in a million years will either of these creatures apostatize from their precious cult of Islam. This not-so dynamic duo are lifers to be sure. Live by the Islam sword die by the Islamic sword I suppose...lol

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And here again is a recent comment made by some JW commentator:

“You see, there is nothing more terrifying for a Muslim than to even vaguely admit that the Koran was not written verbatim by God. With this on your side, you can put them under severe pressure virtually at will. Remember, deep down they are far more terrified of Islam and their fellow Muslims than they are of you. To refute anything said or done by Mohammed is tantamount to apostasy.”

The MSM would crawl on its belly over shards of glass to lick the boots of the nearest Islamist it could find. So, this doesn't surprise me at all. To the MSM, any Muslim who hasn't killed anybody yet is a moderate.

This recognition might help Rauf/Gammal get the 5 mil of taxpayer dollars...for 'social programs', and Arabic classes...
NBC timed it just right...
Well I think NBC is owned outright or partially by Comcast...So maybe it's time to call them up and let them know what I think of their Islamofriendly efforts...I don't have to pay them a bundle of cash every month, I can pay some other company that is not involved in dhimitude...

"The problem is that a tiny minority of extremists hijacked the great liberal label in order to disguise and mainstream their radical ideas, ..."

The Democrat Party in the U.S. is living and breathing proof that classic Democrat ideas are dead. As we saw in recent months, there are no Democrat moderates; only Marxists and synchophants who can be kowed by an inept House Speaker into selling out the entire nation, amidst our screams of "NO!"

The Democrat Party caucuses with the Socialist Workers and Communist Parties. The overwhelming majority of Democrats are in favor of letting Muslims in, building mosques, coddling jihadists, and groping citizens at airports. They are FOR everything that is bringing down this country. If there ever was a tiny minority of leftists, then the super majority of fools in the Democrat Party made it all possible.

NBC is only relevant to the next generation of "Americans" being groomed in our public schools:

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Education/Default.aspx?id=1238300

NBC sure has low standards for such a person as Sharif El-Gamal "Person of the Year". But then, they keep employing Keith Olberman as he is a "very talented commentator and analysist". And I thought they couldn't be dumber...So much for me thinking...

No doubt the inspired individuals at NBC wanted Imam RAW-OOF to be their man of the year, an award possibly to be shared with Mayor Bloomberg, but instead chose El-Gamal to be less provocative.

And perhaps NBC, like so many universitys' so-called Departments of Middle Eastern Studies - propaganda departments, that is - is partially/entirely owned by Saudi princes and/or oil sheiks. That would explain a lot.

I can't take these boards being infected with born-again Christian propaganda anymore. It's like swapping one religious cult for another.

Hi Guys, here are the numbers for the LA & NY offices of NBC. I called and actually got a human and they forwarded me to a voice-mail system that said my message would be forwarded to where it needs to go. Maybe it's true. You guys can call too.

West Coast Numbers:
TELEPHONE: 818-777-1000
FAX: 818-866-1430

East Coast Numbers:
TELEPHONE: 212-664-4444
FAX: 212-664-4085

Some days I feel like I've woken up in the Twilight Zone.

I agree with all you say except that I don't believe it was as small a minority as you aver. In any case, right now I'd say something like 20% of Americans fully endorse the modern liberal agenda, an agenda which is in so many ways (e.g., redistribution of the wealth and a massive-size government) contrary to the intentions of the Founding Fathers and the ideas embodied in the Constitution.

This is serious stuff because as we move into the future either we will have citizens of the state or wards of the state; either traditional Americanism will prevail or modern liberalism will. Between the two is a chasm a mile wide. And waiting in a dark corner with fangs exposed in full parasitical mode is the Islamic faith which has contempt for everything not its own. Interesting times, especially since the fate of liberty is exposed to two enemies, not one.

The article I linked above would be much more persuasive if the author called out some names -- or at least some cities where this is taking place.

Don't you agree?

How on earth can you draw the conclusion from that comment that "these boards being infected with born-again Christian propaganda"?

Craniac stated an empirical fact regarding a Christian's belief system and you have to piss all over it?

In any case, you haven't gotten the tolerance message: this is not an anti-religion site. It is a site where people off all faiths and no faith can magnify and expose the inherent dangers that Islam poses to their respective ways of life.

I suppose you might even take a little peek at Iraq and see Christians and homosexuals fleeing for their lives, and mourning their friends who didn't make it.

Capeesh?

Wasn't Hitler Time'e Man of the Year once??

"in order to be a Muslim you have to be a good Jew and a good Christian"

I think this is similar to some claims that shariah is compatible with the US constitution, or that the US system is already very shariah compliant, etc. Its a psychological ploy coming in at an unexpected angle, designed to lull people in the West into thinking that islam, in its core, has so much in common with what we believe in, and what we all consider good and noble principles.

Mo himself used basically this approach in the Satanic verses. When in the midst of pagans, and in need of their support and approval, he concocted some revelations that acknowledged some of the other pagan gods. When he didn't need them anymore he simply negated those revelations as being deceptions from Satan, and he turned against the pagans.

So will the mahounds do to the Christians and Jews once they gain the upper hand. Already happened all over Dar ul Islam.

"in order to be a Muslim you have to be a good Jew and a good Christian."
Possible reactions.
1. Side-splitting guffaws.
2. He is clearly insane.
3. The man is evil, but very clever..He runs rings around most of the MSM. (Strike "most of").
4. Best answer prize goes to Robert: "..supremacist replacement theology indicating the complete delegitimization of Judaism and Christianity."

Yeah, the Christian cult is just as bad as the Islamic one, isn't it? I mean Presbyterian suicide bombers are all over the place, Baptists threatening death for any criticism of Jesus is practically an everyday occurrence and Lutherans sawing off heads and Catholics taking hostages afflict us all, now don't they? And, of course, Christianity, like Islam, mandates no separation of the spiritual and temporal spheres and demands death for anyone who leaves Christianity for another faith. Yep, the Christian cult is as awful as the Muslim cult, maybe even worse. What reasonable mind wouldn't see this?

"If there ever was a tiny minority of leftists, then the super majority of fools in the Democrat Party made it all possible."

It's far deeper than that. It's not just a majority of fools in this leftist party or the other, but the majority of the population that allowed it to happen. What was allowed to happen is the gradual takeover of academia by far-leftists since the 60s, and then of the media. The problem is not that you have leftists and far-leftists there - the problem is that they allow very little dissenting voices. "Right wing" has become practically an insult, interchangeable with "racist", "war monger", "hater", "evil", "stupid" and "ignorant". Dissenters are marginalized, ridiculed, demonized, shouted down, their grades might be affected, their reputations tarnished, their careers can be damaged. In some campuses the rules for political correctness and disallowing "hate speech" and "offensive speech" are so strict that it effectively cripples freedom of speech and academic freedom. On the other hand, you are rewarded for "criticizing" your own country, your own culture, whether it's authentic and deserving criticism or a cynical rewrite of history to get applause and all the goodies that come along with being on the "right side" politically, that is the radical, supposedly "anti-establishment", side.

When you make sure students are almost not exposed to opposing views and arguments in a fair way it's called indoctrination and not academic freedom or a genuine pursuit of truth (which might not even exist anymore in postmodern thinking). The students indoctrinated in these universities are tomorrow's political leaders, journalists, intellectuals, authors, artists and teachers who in turn indoctrinate the children who will in turn be further indoctrinated in universities.

Then the entire information system and political system tilt more and more to the left. That's what you get on campus, that's what you get in the media and that's what you get from politicians. Policies that are really radical, such as mass immigration of tens of millions of people from very different cultural backgrounds into all western countries in a very short period of time relatively to any previous human experience, are becoming the mainstream even though they are really radical and experimental and no one knows what the results might be, but if you question the soundness of this policy, considering some of the results that are already apparent, then YOU are the radical - because the radical is already mainstream, so any opposition is "far-right", "hate-mongering", "evil", "racist" etc.

"Not once have I held my faith accountable for the horrific events of 9/11."
I can well believe that!
Has any muslim in 14 centuries of violent Islamic Jihad ever held their "faith" in any way responsible?
Only ex-muslims.

The "tiny minority of extremists" was just a comical allusion to that other "tiny minority of extremists who hijacked a great religion of peace" and should not be taken literally.

Regarding Sharif EL Gamal's: to be "good muslim" you have to be a "good Christian", Jesus told His deciples to love your enemies and be good to those who persecute you. Mohammed told his followers to kill those who oppose you! I think if someone gave Sharif El Gamal an enema he would be able to fit in a shoebox.

Wellington notes: "Yep, the Christian cult is as awful as the Muslim cult, maybe even worse. What reasonable mind wouldn't see this?"


And what deranged misguided fool would say it is?...

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Martin Luther nailed the systemic dangers of Islam 500 years ago: its followers cannot or WILL NOT distinguish between the temporal world we live in and the next.

THE ISLAMIC FAITH DESTROYS TEMPORAL AUTHORITY

http://www.lutheransonline.com/servlet/lo_ProcServ/dbpage=cge&gid=01031013600972584326486620&pg=01223001361006780322797517

But I did take it literally, Doom-and-gloom. Your comedic attempt, I respectfully submit, was, pursuant to your later statement, too well disguised. Really, if you re-read the first paragraph of your 12:25 P.M. post above I don't see disguise as much as fervor, that's why I responded as I did. Too much subtlety can backfire, you know.

Well, apparently "Robin" thinks this way or something close to it. Always love those times when some rube opines (e.g., Rosie O'Donnell) that Christians are at least as much a threat to freedom as Muslims are. At that point, I know I have entered into an Alice In Wonderland World.

"... in order to be a Muslim you have to be a good Jew and a good Christian."

This is just as self-evident as: "in order to be a cannibal you have to be a good vegetarian".

I trust that you know that I know that, though Luther's Erastian approach, I submit, erred too much in the other direction.

At that point, I know I have entered into an Alice In Wonderland World.

No, dear Wellington.
At that point you left Alice in Wonderland World and entered Alice in Wonderland (psychiatric)Ward.

I stand duly corrected, Thomas_h. Hope all things are well with you.

dear counselror,

as usual, your comments are right on target time after time.

"Between the two is a chasm a mile wide. And waiting in a dark corner with fangs exposed in full parasitical mode is the Islamic faith which has contempt for everything not its own. Interesting times, especially since the fate of liberty is exposed to two enemies, not one. "

i read your post and it made me go through some old saved emails ... looking for this piece which i think is a good sequel to your post.

(congratulations on the marathon debate with 742...:) )


This was written by a law student, not an older person in case you were expecting that.
He must have been studying Divorce Law at the time, and summed up a Political opinion from a Divorce Law perspective. Whether you agree or not, I thought it was very clever, and hits at the heart of all this Political debate these days.

DIVORCE AGREEMENT



Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives,
socialists, Marxists, and Obama supporters, et. All:

We have stuck together since the late 1950s, but the whole
of this latest Election process has made me realize that I want a
divorce.


I know that we tolerated each other for many years for the
sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has run its
course.

Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not
ever agree on what is right so let's just end it on friendly terms.
We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.

The Separation Agreement:

Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each
taking a portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two
sides can come to a friendly agreement..

After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective
representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have
such distinct and disparate tastes.

We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them.
You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU..

Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA
and the military.

You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell.
(You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big
enough to move all
three of them.)

We'll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical
companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street.

You can have your beloved homeless, homeboys, hippies and
illegal aliens.

We'll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy
CEO's, and rednecks.

We'll keep the Bibles and give you NBC, MSNBC, CNN, and
Hollywood .

You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll
retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us..

You can have the peaceniks and war protesters.
When our allies or our way of life are under assault,
we'll help provide them security.

We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values.

You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism and Shirley
McClain.

You can also have the U.N., but we will no longer be paying
the bill.

We'll keep the SUVs, pickup trucks and oversized luxury
cars.

You can take every Subaru station wagon you can find.

You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing
doctors..

We'll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republic and the National Anthem.
I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute Imagine, I'd Like to Teach the
World to Sing, Kum Ba Ya, or We Are the World.

We'll practice trickle down economics and you can give trickle up
poverty your best shot.

Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and our
Flag.

In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you ANWAR which one of us
will need whose help in 15 years.

Sincerely, John J. Wall
Law Student and an American

P.S. Also, please take Barbara Streisand & Jane Fonda
with you.

I'm serious, you would have to be a brain dead cup drooling American to have anything to do with NBC...MSNBC...or their owners....General Electric. You can't get anymore Anti-American than naming this shady muslim as person of the year! However, the solution is remarkably simple. Block NBC and MSNBC from your cable or satellite menu and forget about them. Your tuning in keeps them in business!!! And, instead of buying General Electric products, let them sell their junk in China since that's where they're determined to invest their 2 Billion dollars for product development. It's quite clear that they've literally turned their back on America and its unemployed. Repeat after me.....THERE IS LIFE AFTER NBC... MSNBC... AND GE! Now, get on with your life and let these losers sink. They may think they're too big to fail....... but we know better!

woops,....sorry counsellor, it just passed by the qc department with no one catching the typo....

Your reply to Craniac's 10:30 a.m. post brings to light a serious issue and screams, "I'm a whack-job sorely lacking reading comprehension skills!" What an excellent representation of the root of what's wrong with the world. The ability to read and comprehend what one has read is in its finally death throe. I can't remember the last time I saw a student on his/her way to school carrying a book. Any book. That you lumped born-again Christians into the same category as the freak-show that is Islam, scares the crap out of me. I pray to God you don't spawn anything as remotely dense as yourself.

I've always wondered what "NBC" meant...

The B is for Bullshit, right ?

When are nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize due??

"I've always wondered what "NBC" meant... "

Most likely "No Brain Cells".

In order to be a "good Christian" Mohammedan all you have to do is put a reptilian smile on your face and say some words pretending you love your enemies. As preparation for stabbing your enemies in the back as soon as they let down their guard. The problem is that typical TV viewers in America have little or no personal experience with genuinely evil persons, so they think no such thing even could exist. But that perception can be changed, and it's the TV media which can change that fairly rapidly, if they ever decide to do that.

you got that right :)

btw i left a post for you on the 'palestinian authority "study" ' thread

Robin : I can't take these boards being infected with born-again Christian propaganda anymore. It's like swapping one religious cult for another.

Yes, Robin, it's a different side of the same coin. Just ignore the wannabe witch-burners. They have no basis in fact, they're just bitter that their form of superstition has been one-upped by islam so publicly.

YourAmamahs2Tight : I pray to god...

I think I see your problem right there. An imaginary friend.

Have you forgotten the legacy that christianity gave the world so soon? It's hardly blemish-free, it's just been beaten into submission by rational secularism.

Calling someone a whack-job because you don't agree with them? Classy.....

"Not once have I held my faith accountable for the horrific events of 9/11. I am an American. I am an American who has a specific belief system, and my belief system, in order to be a Muslim you have to be a good Jew and a good Christian."

Nonsense. To be good Muslim, you need to believe that Jesus was and is merely man, and did not die on the cross. To be a good Christian, you need to believe that Jesus was God AND Man, and he surely did die on the cross as atonement for our sins. Only the ignoramii of the MSM could fail to laugh El-Gamal's statement out of court.

Thanks for that, captain nemo. It rings so true, not that modern screaming squirrels, i.e., contemporary liberals, will ever understand such.

Would a good Jew deny the Jewish historical significance of the Western Wall, the holiest place on earth to Jews, as the PA has done, and as the Jordanians did before them? This kind of "I'm a good Jew and a good Christian" talk is just insincere posturing. What is really believed by Muslims is that Judaism and Christianity are corrupted versions of Islam and are worthless fakes. And the Muslim Inquisition against Mideast Christians is further proof.
It's the arrogant mentality of the conquistador.

This is part of an ongoing effort to try to rehabilitate the image of the Ground Zero mosque which 70% of Americans continue to oppose.Why else name a thug who has a criminal record along with a record of zero accomplishment as a "person of the year"? This is why average Americans neither trust or listen to the MSM.

Of course, jewdog, the great irony here, which I know you already appreciate, is that Islam is the true corrupted version of religion and a worthless fake. In fact, if Islam isn't corrupt and a fake, what the hell is? At the top of the corruption and fake pole Islam reigns supreme.

While we're splitting the sheet, though the libs likely won't squabble over Ted Nugent, we should probably get that one on our side and get it in writing.

They can have Roger Waters (Pink Floyd) who has warned that due to Israel's "occupation" of Palestine, "many no longer believe that the Jewish people deserve a state of their own." [http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3725439,00.html]

the dark side of the moon just got darker.
pity.

"I've always wondered what "NBC" meant... "

It may have been their own program, Laugh-In, that during a '60s ratings slump called them NoBody Cares.

But there's another one I heard in past years that seems to apply particularly well to some of their commentators and overall bias:

Nothing But...

Matt Lauer - I just don't know.

I think a pod person has been substituted for the real thing.

Didn't times or other once gave man of year recognization to the likes of hitler? just think of that way. recognizing evil bastards.

Nighthawk

you quoted the Muslim thug's nonsense statement - "in order to be a Muslim you have to be a good Jew and a good Christian")

and then you said --

'I think this is similar to some claims that shariah is compatible with the US constitution, or that the US system is already very shariah compliant, etc.

'**Its a psychological ploy** {my emphasis - dda} coming in at an unexpected angle, designed to lull people in the West into thinking that islam, in its core, has so much in common with what we believe in, and what we all consider good and noble principles."

And then, very appositely, you referenced the bit about the 'satanic verses'.

I think you've nailed it, mate. Nice work.

IMF and desidude:
Yes "Time" named Hitler "man of the Year" for 1938. Among other tyrants and mass-murderers, they also named Stalin M-o-t-Y twice -- in 1939 and 1942, and Ayatollah Khomeini once -- in 1979. Strangely, they never gave the honor to Chairman Mao.

Sharif El-Gamal "Person of the Year"

NBC made a wrong classification. It should have been to "America's Most Wanted."

Don't you just love this "reply system" ? I'm out in the weeds again & I doubt you'll even see this but here goes.

MrsEener said:

"Some days I feel like I've woken up in the Twilight Zone."

Well, my advice is get used to it. I experience the "TZ" phenomena at least once a week if that's any help?.

I think I see your problem right there. An imaginary friend.

Have you forgotten the legacy that christianity gave the world so soon? It's hardly blemish-free, it's just been beaten into submission by rational secularism.

Calling someone a whack-job because you don't agree with them? Classy.....


I think of the beautiful 'legacy' Christianity gave the world every day and I am very thankful for that legacy. I deeply regret the crimes and evils committed by mortal men in the name of Christianity, as well as those committed by irrational secularists/fascists/communists/anarchists in the name of whatever 'the-end-justifies-the-means' cause they recklessly pursued. 'Rational secularism' did not beat Christianity into submission, rational Christians recognized the need for reforms and modernization and took the steps necessary to implement them.

Unlike enlightened atheists and secularists, I don't condemn Christianity for the sins of ancient popes whose atrocities were not sanctioned by the religion they claimed to represent. Instead, I am thankful for the charitable, humanitarian work of Christians who have been feeding, clothing, and healing those in need for centuries, doing exactly what Jesus taught in the New Testament.

I am not a particularly religious person but I do believe in what you call an 'imaginary friend', and I call 'God'. You are certainly welcome to believe whatever you choose but since nobody can prove or disprove the existence of God and Christians pose no threat whatsoever to you, your blatant contempt and antipathy for them are certainly unwarranted. And whether you realize it or not, you are a benefactor of the Christian legacy via Western Civilization.

Abu-Lahab reminds me of Question-everything. I wondered about it for some time if the 2 may be the same. I remembered abu-lahab indeed was QE's old name, but his posts seem different. But this last post was completely in the style of QE.

Abu_Lahab,
Though disturbing, (I was confident the inability to comprehend posts/replies within the context of the subject/issue addressed was the domain of a limited few.) your reply to Robin proves my point brilliantly.
Thank you

Taliban true followers of Islamic ideology: Pakistan minister

http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20101124/876/twl-taliban-true-followers-of-islamic-id.html

The Taliban are 'the true followers of Islamic ideology', says a Pakistan minister who also believes that 'America is the biggest terrorist of the world'.

According to federal Minister for Tourism Maulana Attaur Rehman: 'Ulema and Taliban are the true followers of Islamic ideology and America is the biggest terrorist of the world, which is creating hatred against them.'

Dawn quoted Rehman as saying at a public gathering in Allai area in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province Tuesday that terrorism could not be brought to an end until the US and the world gave equal rights and respect to the Muslims.

'It is a misconception that ulema and Taliban are against co-existence of people with different religions. In fact it is America which is against the interfaith harmony to maintain its hegemony on the world,' said Rehman.

The Pakistan Army has been battling heavily armed Taliban guerrillas in the mountainous Waziristan region. The well-entrenched rebels put up a stiff resistance against the advancing soldiers.

The country has faced a string of terror strikes and the Taliban has been blamed for the Dec 27, 2007 assassination of former prime minister Benazir Bhutto in Rawalpindi.

Please watch my video about the TSA needing to engage in culturist profiling in airports.

Calling it culturist profiling will help defeat the Multiculturalists constant abuse of the word 'racist' to stop us from discussing cultural diversity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVRsYaZgQDA

Thanks,

John Press, Ph.D
President - The Brooklyn Tea Party

Didn't these twits name some other piece o' crap as person of the year? Some murderous scumbag... They defended this action by saying that he was quite influential and therefore worthy of naming...
Worthless and dangerous. This is the state of "Journalism" in this country. They are the enemy within. As Michael Savage put it..."The 4th Estate has become the 5th Column." Nearly 90% of the so called "Journalists" identify themselves as liberal. Given the state of the liberal mind, one stuck in childhood, it's only natural that they push their ideology upon us and give up the position of trust they once enjoyed.
In the 3rd grade...1964, I started my Elementary schools first newspaper. I made myself Editor and educated myself on what it meant to be a Journalist and made sure my reporters knew these things as well. We all knew what the word "ethics" meant. Even now I recall...who, what, where, when and why. That was it. No interjecting my feelings or opinions. Those were left for the reader to provide for themselves after digesting the facts.
Those days are long gone. Walter Cronkite was lying to us years ago and the trend has continued. Re-education seems to be the goal nowadays rather than providing us with facts so that we might make our own judgments. The Talkning Heads now tells us what to think and why to think it.

Have they been replaced? Or are they still being replaced? Truth may still be found on the AM dial and through a very few of the TV outlets. The propagandists must be stopped and Journalists must rise again. We do actually need them...if they can write and speak the Truth.

islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.

Didn't these twits name some other piece o' crap as person of the year? Some murderous scumbag... They defended this action by saying that he was quite influential and therefore worthy of naming...
Worthless and dangerous. This is the state of "Journalism" in this country. They are the enemy within. As Michael Savage put it..."The 4th Estate has become the 5th Column." Nearly 90% of the so called "Journalists" identify themselves as liberal. Given the state of the liberal mind, one stuck in childhood, it's only natural that they push their ideology upon us and give up the position of trust they once enjoyed.
In the 3rd grade...1964, I started my Elementary schools first newspaper. I made myself Editor and educated myself on what it meant to be a Journalist and made sure my reporters knew these things as well. We all knew what the word "ethics" meant. Even now I recall...who, what, where, when and why. That was it. No interjecting my feelings or opinions. Those were left for the reader to provide for themselves after digesting the facts.
Those days are long gone. Walter Cronkite was lying to us years ago and the trend has continued. Re-education seems to be the goal nowadays rather than providing us with facts so that we might make our own judgments. The Talking Heads now tells us what to think and why to think it.

Have they been replaced? Or are they still being replaced? Truth may still be found on the AM dial and through a very few of the TV outlets. The propagandists must be stopped and Journalists must rise again. We do actually need them...if they can write and speak the Truth.

islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.

Does el-gamal's name come before osama or after him?

Saying that NBC and its parent, General Electric, are leftists is as absurd as saying sharia law is consistent with the US Constitution. Wake up, for Christ's sake.

Why not just make Satan the man of the year and skip the middleman?

God I hate islam and all the b.s. in this country today.


PLEASE, put up a new article. This loathsome scum El Gamal gives me the creeps and the headline momentarily makes me think I've slipped into an Orwellian Twilight Zone.

What do Dan Rather, Barbara Walters, Jim Lehrer, Rupert Murdoch, Tom Brokaw and the late William F. Buckley have in common? They are all members of the CFR, The Council On Foreign Relations. The stated goal of the CFR is to manipulate the News to bring about a new world order or corporate control of everything. This is not some weird conspiracy theory, it is stated in their original charter. Who else belongs to the CFR, Disney's Michael Eisner and ABC's Thomas Murphy, Tom Johnson, CEO of CNN, Time Warner's Gerald Levine, and many, many more media CEO's who have merged their empires under the CFR's guidance.

http://www.whoownsthenews.com/

in order to be a Muslim you have to be a good Jew and a good Christian."

Hmm...I don't think Allah will be happy with those remarks...If a Mahoundian is a good Jew, he will have to ignore or change Quran.

5:82...Yusuf Ali...Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.

So in order for a Mahoundian to be a Jew, he must be in enmity to other Mahoundians...Is Gammal confused?

This verse give Christians a break, but Allah soon changes his mind...

Quran 5:14 Yusuf Ali...From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will God show them what it is they have done.

Does Gammal claim this for himself? Will Allah soon show him what he has done? The only two ways this statement is valid is if Gammal is an apostate, or his statements are taqiyya...
I opt for taqiyya, it's a very popular pass time with the GZ
mosquers...


Will the real Abu_Lahab please stand up...
I think there may be two Abu_Lahab's...It seems, if I remember correctly that the original Abu_Lahab, who posted here for a long time, complained to Abu_Lahab #2, about it...Abu_Lahab #2, may be the poster on this thread...

MBC to self destruct in a matter of time. People in the Lower Manhattan should be reminded or informed that they are asking for $5 million funding from their pockets (according to the previous JW post.)

Cao Moo, I think you have it!

"Our next Person of the Year, Satan, is on assignment in Pakistan and couldn't be with us tonight. But, accepting for Satan is his longtime friend and associate--and former NBC Thug of the Year--let's give a big "Alahu Akbar" for Sharif al-Gamal!

(camera pans to Feisal and Daisy in a clenched-fist salute)

I have been trying to figure out what the "Abu Lahab" poster is trying to say. It's confusing me. I've been posting at JW for only a couple of weeks. I'm reluctant to contend with him because he changes his standpoint back and forth so unexpectedly. Surprise is a major element in the art of war. Is he conducting war? Against who? He occasionally represents himself as a proponent of what he calls rational secularism. His understanding of what that is: confused, vacuous. I am a proponent of rational secularism in its proper sphere, in the realms of science and government. I'm also a Christian. Maybe someone can "enlighten" me about Abu Lahab. He's incapable of it.

Why do real Americans put up with this garbage? Tom Billsley is spot on; red eyed demon - at least the camera got it right! Islamic perception: "A good Jew and a good Christian", is a dead one! Now a somewhat different angle; Americans are thrown in goal for tax offenses much less than what this clown has done. Burac you got it right - Islam is no more an Abramic faith than a zebra can change its stripes - the entire Old Testament is four fifths prophecy of which 80% has been fulfilled - the Koran contains NO prophecy, let alone something being fulfilled. So Sharif El Gamal - you can be named pope for all I care - there is not a shred of evidence that underpins Islam as a "faith" - Political system set on world dominance - absolutely, it has been that from the beginning and that what it is today.

Time to pressure movie distributors to bring in the British film Four Lions. A comedy mocking Islam and many Muslims are involved in the project. Shockingly it was shown at Sundance and is becoming very popular. New movies from Europe are beginning to deal with the issue of radical Islam with the support of many Muslims. Times they are a changin'. We are beginning to make headway.

Good question. He posts regularly at this link. In the very least, his "interlude" posts offered some much appreciated respite from this insanity.

Yes indeed, I have known for years the media was at the center of the conspiracy to take over the world for the beast. If you can receive it, it is called the "image of the beast" in the bible book of Revelation. When I was shown this 6 years ago, I stopped watching TV. The internet is a better source because it is not controlled by the conspirators. That being said, I don't think they have total control yet, especially at fox.

"in order to be a Muslim you have to be a good Jew and a good Christian"

change "be" to "convert" a good Christian and "kill" a good Jew, or substi"in order to be a Muslim you have to be a good Jew and a good Christian"tute "kill" for both if the Christian refuses. Who is stupid enough to be fooled by this besides the media? Wait, maybe they're not being fooled. Maybe they're in on it. The liberal media will take this country to Mecca or to hell in a handbag

NBC-TV and the CFR will soon retaliate and the JW posters will pay a dear price for this display of insolence here at JW.

The "image of the beast" in the Book of Revelation. Is that the same as the mark of the beast? That's a mark on the forehead of Satan when he was kicked out of Heaven and fell to hell. I think it's the same as that mark on the forehead Muslims have from piously prostrating themselves so often

NBC-TV and the CFR will soon retaliate and the JW posters will pay a dear price for this display of insolence here at JW.

Insolence? I pride myself on insolence when it comes to Islam...
I am so insolent to Allah that he turns over in his grave...
I don't know what a dear price is, but so far I display my insolence for free...But I am willing to sign up for paid propaganda if I knew where to get an application...

Sorry to hear Hugh is no longer associated...Hope he's well whatever he's doing...or not doing...

Indeed, Hugh's regular contributions have been a treasure that will be missed beyond what mere words can express in these pages. His scholarship was something to behold and be thankful for. Perhaps he'll get the message that we appreciated it all, and that our best wishes follow him wherever he is.
To Hugh, Robert, Marisol and all who pass these pages, Happy Thanksgiving and best wishes to you and yours.

Lan Astaslem.

BOYCOTT GE AND CALL THEM AND TELL THEM SO!!

EVEN IF WE CANNOT REMOVE THE SLIMEBALL PERSON OF THE YEAR AS SUCH, WE CAN HIT GE IN THE POCKET BOOK.

AT THE VERY LEAST WE CAN DO THIS AS IT IS NOT A GOOD THING TO BUY FROM THE ENEMY.

Here is the GE corporate number:

1-203-373-2211

Honestly, We were just about to buy GE !! We got with our contractor and he gave us the space specifications for all our appliances. We have been to LOWES, HOME DEPOT and other places looking at stuff. GE was ON THE INSIDE TRACT for a large purchase. The sale price was OK, BUT money is not the main consideration in light of this slime of the year thing!

I would rather spend $300 more and have the knowledge that I did NOT feed my enemy.

We are getting new dish washer, stove, microwave and refrigerator for the remodeled kitchen the second week of December. I want the BIG BIG stove and refrig. We do alot of cooking and have family and friends over often. I love to COOK! This project was long, long overdue.

Plus I will need several new small appliances you know like a BIG coffee maker and also a wall phone.

GUESS WHAT!! NO GE!! NO HOW, NO WAY.

Hey, WE just hit them with OUR own boycott!!

Join the cause! I called the kids, their in-laws and about 12 friends and neighbors, E-MAILS start NOW too.

Hey! funny thing. HAHA. The gal two doors up just started a HUGE kitchen remodel too.... she is ALSO joining me in this! And by the way, she is from NYC and hated that mosque idea, I think more then I do...IF that's possible. She and her hubby loved the "freedom of speech bar-b-quran" pork roast we had this summer. She gave me FLOWERS the day we day we did the first one.

NO WAY GE! NO WAY GE!!

Well, Look at who got a Nobel Prize. Maybe we should award NBC, "The Red Light" for prostitution.

"Hugh is no longer with Jihad Watch -- and he is certainly missed."

Whoa! ...when did this happen? Anyone else know why he left? This news comes as quite a shock.

What a great pity Hugh Fitzgerald is not with JW anymore.

Robert and Pamela: I hope you do connect with him occasionally if not regularly.
If so, please convey to him my personal regrets for being deprived from the pleasure of reading his astute and highly edifying articles and sometimes wonderfully entertaining comments. Also, that I do hope he finds a platform where his writing talent and great erudition will continue to enlighten even bigger audience than on JW.

In case he now publishes on other sites (and under the same name, of course) can Pamela, or Robert direct me there?

I know Hugh Fitzgerald is an atheist, but in case he may accidentally glance at this page I'd like to say to him; God bless you, Hugh!

I do not respond to anyone who tells me "Capeesh?" Go f*** yourself.

If the First Amendment and article VI of the United States Constitution were to be removed, we'd be another step closer towards a Born-again Christian caliphate with Billy Graham at the helm.

"Not once have I held my faith accountable for the horrific events of 9/11. I am an American. I am an American who has a specific belief system, and my belief system, in order to be a Muslim you have to be a good Jew and a good Christian."

Robert: "This is an Islamic supremacist statement. Islam considers itself to be the perfection and true embodiment of Judaism and Christianity, so El-Gamal's statement is not one of ecumenical generosity, but of supremacist replacement theology indicating the complete delegitimization of Judaism and Christianity."

So true, Robert ...this IS an islamic supremacist statement. But of course anyone even slightly knowledgeable about the founders of Christianity & islam know that El-Gamal is a filthy liar, since islam was founded by a filthy liar: mohammad. Hmm. Not only was mo a liar, but the short list includes that he was also a thief, a pedophile, and a mass-murderer. Juxtapose this evil man's life to the sinless life of Jesus Christ. Hey Christian's aren't perfect, but Jesus Christ certainly is. And as Christian's we place our FAITH *in* Jesus Christ and HIS perfection. We as Christians don't seek to BECOME perfect. Unlike deceived and deluded muslims that lie to themselves and believe that they've ARRIVED as a muslim by following a criminal like mohammad.

This mohammedan, El-Gamal, has reached the height of arrogance and ignorance by thinking that he (as well as other muslims) are somehow better than a Christian or a Jew by following someone that is evil: mohammad. I mean even common sense tells us that such an outcome is completely impossible.

El-Gamal deserves Liar of the Year, and Matt Lauer is Dhimmi of the Year. What a pair, eh? NBC isn't shy about televising and promoting stupid lies, now are they? What a crying shame ...

Gee, I can't wait to see what Time does. Remember, like that tiresome old argument about what makes a baseball MVP (must he have the most value to his team, or just be the best blah blah blaah), sad-sack corrupt organizations like NBC and Time will explain the Person of the Year is the most personably significant.

*** 66:1 ***

O Mohammed! why do you forbid yourself that which Allah has made lawful for you; you seek to please your consorts.

You see, the media is staffed with amoral people. Not immoral people, amoral people. Like the Moslems, amoral. This is why the natural affinity between the Geezers (GSERS = Globo-Socialist Environmentalist Racist Sexists) and the Moslems.

i>Hugh is no longer with Jihad Watch -- and he is certainly missed.

What?! This is real bad news. Fitzgerald was the perfect complement to Spencer. I always thought he was trained in Kremlinology, in other words to be a student of ideology, and what is Islam (i.e., Moslems), if not an ideology?

Tellya one thing, though, I'm sure he didn't submit to the 6th Pillar of Islam. He musta departed for some other reason, I'm sure of that.

Well, time to start digging through the Articles by Hugh Fitzgerald list, think I wanna re-read Islam for Dummies or whatever it was entitled. A reel eye opener, that one.

Adieu Hugh. I'm a poet and don't know it.

I can't take these boards being infected with born-again Christian propaganda anymore.

There is no other way to understand it but as a good-bye message. Finally!
Well, it took you some time, but on the other hand, it makes your departure even sweeter. Please, do not come back. Kindly present your drivel to some more appreciative audience. There is no point for you to waste it here.

Robin --

Did you get a chance to view the article re: the next generation of "Americans" being groomed in our public schools:

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Education/Default.aspx?id=1238300

It would be much more persuasive if the author called out some names -- or at least some cities where this is taking place.

Don't you agree?

Aw -- you are going to spoil the fun. We need to flesh out this argument she/he thinks she/he has about Billy Graham's Taliban.

[revision]

Billy Graham's CALIPHATE.

Whatever religion or no religion we are the mosque at Ground Zero must be stopped.

Thomas H

as another poster has said, you will find Mr Fitzgerald supplying refreshing 'interludes', and news items with occasional sardonic commentary, and even an article or two, here:


http://www.newenglishreview.org/

A number of members of the contributing team there lurk here at jihadwatch and sometimes post - for example, one 'esmerelda weatherwax'.

"I can't take these boards being infected with born-again Christian propaganda anymore."

The person that wrote this comment has revealed just how thoroughly and completely IGNORANT they are about Jesus Christ.

His/her beef is REALLY against Jesus Christ, not against the Christians here "infecting" this forum; since Jesus Himself stated that a person MUST be born-again to enter the kingdom of God: John 3:1-7:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/ye_must_be_born_again.htm

Read it, or not ...it's your choice. No one here can make you educate yourself about Christ's message of the gospel, which means, good news. Also, you need to educate yourself about the bad news, too - before you'll ever be ready to receive the good news.

You either think that Jesus Christ is a liar, a lunatic, or that He's LORD. Those are the only three choices. It isn't hard to see which choice you've made.

I am wholly content and at peace with the choice that I have made ...

The bottom line is this ...your beef is with Jesus Christ, not us. Take it up with God.

Please, do not come back. Kindly present your drivel to some more appreciative audience. There is no point for you to waste it here.

Concise and clear. Just the way a quick surgical hatchet job should be done. Bravo, Thomas_h!

Regarding Hugh's mysterious disappearance ...

I just read an interesting essay on The Hesperado regarding Hugh's departure that I wanted to share with everyone:

http://hesperado.blogspot.com/

Gosh, I really wish that I had read Hesp's blog earlier today, as it would have saved me the headache and the time that it took looking through the Jihad Watch headlines for a formal good-bye from Robert.

Hesp raises some good questions, and he's also made some great observations on his blog; and it would be really nice to get some answers to these questions. I am still so perplexed why Hugh left! ...isn't anyone else? Great, he can be found over at newenglishreview.org - so thank you, dda, but WHY did Hugh leave?

Please give us some more information, Robert. Unless, of course, it is none of my business. I am not afraid of your honesty ...

Thank you,
champ

Civilisations are not conquered, they commit suicide.

At some point (which is becoming increasingly clearly denoted), inaction and self-indulgent chardonnay soliloquising actually become cowardly, treasonable and collaborative with the enemy.

It is massively disappointing to hear that Hugh Fitzgerald is no longer with Jihad Watch. I had become addicted to his erudite comments, sometimes mini-essays in their own right, about the stories of the day.

Best of luck to you, Hugh, wherever you are.

YourAmamahs2Tight : Though disturbing, (I was confident the inability to comprehend posts/replies within the context of the subject/issue addressed was the domain of a limited few.) your reply to Robin proves my point brilliantly.
Thank you

Please explain how Craniac's post stating 'the fact that jesus was crucified, dead and buried and that He rose on the third day.' can be taken as anything other than another bible-thumpers rationale?

I can't imagine even the most agreeable quasi-atheist saying it's a fact.

Also, why did you find it disturbing? This forum should be about our joint task of making islam wither. No one should be disturbed. If I frightened you I sincerely apologize.

Robert and Pamela:

I, of course, meant to say: "Robert and Marisol".

A Christian caliphate is an oxymoron and you are deeply deficient respecting what the Founding Fathers of America, many of them private skeptics to be sure, thought of the place of religion in public life. Really, your ignorance is quite extensive and your cluelessness about this quite expansive. As usual with deficient human beings, they reveal more about themselves than they realize. You are no exception to the rule here.

With respect, Wellington, instead of just berating Robin for his/her 'artistic' use of the word caliphate how about just countering the statement made?

The best thing we can do is to share information and ideas in order to strengthen our efforts against islam.

Have a pleasant evening.

My statement went far more that just castigating one for the use of the term "caliphate" inappropriately. To maintain that Billy Graham and those like him would establish something of a theocracy, but for the First Amendment and Article VI's requirement that the Constitution be the supreme law of the land, is to engage in a moral equivalency thinking between Islam and Christianity that simply doesn't exist. It also pulls Billy Graham and his kind down to the same level as Islamic imams and ayatollahs, something I find both inaccurate and shameful. Long before the Consitution was enacted, the Western world had broken with theocratic concepts which the Islamic world is still beholden to. After all, there is no William Penn, no Roger Williams, no John Peter Zenger and no Declaration of Independence equivalents in the Muslim world. It was a dumb, defamatory statment and I noted as much. In short, I countered it.

"It is massively disappointing to hear that Hugh Fitzgerald is no longer with Jihad Watch."

Indeed.

He was also quite adept at intellectually body slamming muslim apologists and trolls from time to time. Quite enjoyable to watch him destroy them now and again. No more.

We shall have to depend upon one another for that now. No lack of firepower though...just won't be quite the same.

islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.

Tolerate the intolerable?
No.
We confront it and own it's own ground through whatever means are necessary as long as Truth is preserved.

No islam...Know Peace.
Know islam...Throw Up!

damn...that should have read "and on it's own ground"...

i'm sorry, I must have missed something..... just how many criminal activities do you have to be involved in to get nominated?

Do they not mean poison of the year?

A photo contest might give this man the most arrogant expression of the year award ...chipmunk!

Hey, you're right, he's a contemptuous chipmunk, lol ...

Has anyone tried to pull this story up on NBC's website. I've tried. Nothing comes up. Any comments?

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"Geller and Spencer are probably the most important propagandizing Islamophobes in the world. These people's voices speak very loudly — not just here in the United States but overseas."
Heidi Beirach, Southern Poverty Law Center

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Khaleel Mohammed

“The Likud anti-Christ.”
Dar al-Hayat newspaper (Saudi Arabia)

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Al-Qaeda’s Adam Gadahn, “Azzam the American”



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