Obama's old teacher recalls that he attended Muslim prayers at school in Indonesia

Why does it matter whether or not Barack Obama attended Muslim prayers as a child in Indonesia? His policy decisions (find a revealing list here) since he has been president provide an answer, as his childhood affinities appear to have laid the foundation for a lifelong affinity.

In any case, there is nothing much new in what this teacher says. The fact that Obama attended Muslim prayers at school in Indonesia, and was indeed registered as a Muslim in school, is detailed in Pamela Geller's book that I cowrote last year, The Post-American Presidency. Nor is this the first time that something we have in that book was trumpeted as hot breaking news; not too long ago the story of Obama's campaign contributions from Gaza was a big story, and Glenn Beck had the arrogance and discourtesy to represent these contributions as his team's discovery. In reality, it was Pamela who discovered those contributions, and the whole story is in the book -- which is probably where Beck's team found it. Pick up a copy, if you haven't already, to find out what next week's big revelation about Obama will be.

"Barack Obama joined Muslim prayers at school, teacher says," by Anne Barrowclough in the Times Online (via The Australian), November 8 (thanks to all who sent this in):

AS a schoolboy in Jakarta, Barack Obama attended Muslim prayer sessions with his classmates against the wishes of his mother.

The US President's former grade three teacher said that Mr Obama - who was known as "Barry" when he attended the Menteng One school in Jakarta - studied the Koran and went to classes on Islam, despite the objections of Ann Dunham, a Catholic.

The teacher's recollections will add to speculation about Mr Obama's links to Islam during his much-anticipated visit to Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as part of his ten-day tour of Asia.

His middle name, Hussein, and the fact that his stepfather was a Muslim, have combined to perpetuate rumours about Mr Obama's religious leanings. The number of Americans who think that he is a Muslim has grown since his inauguration to one in five....

The teacher, Effendi, who taught at Menteng One for 29 years, remembers Mr Obama as a "fat, curly-haired, curious boy". The school had an international mix of pupils, including Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and Muslims.

Mr Obama attended classes on Islam while the Christians attended classes on Christianity, said Effendi. Barry, he said, was alone among the pupils in that he insisted on attending both.

"His mother did not like him learning Islam, although his father was a Muslim. Sometimes she came to the school; she was angry with the religious teacher and said 'Why did you teach him the Koran?'" said Effendi.

"But he kept going to the classes because he was interested in Islam. He would also join the other pupils for Muslim prayers."...

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Wow, the interesting new detail is that Obama's mother was opposed to him learning about the Koran. A glimmer of good sense in the gal, a little late-blooming, but still.

How does one "teach" the Qur'an? Good Muslims are expected to believe every word of it. Maybe the instructor has to use taquiyya to cover for that pedophilia thing?

Doesn't surprise me about Beck ripping off ideas. It seems just as likely to me that he was clueless as that he was purposefully plagiarising, but it shows incompetence regardless. A commentator should research their subjects-- like Robert always does. I can't stand Beck's constant condescending tone which always implies, Everybody else in the world is too dense to comprehend what I am telling you. My lack of credentials and experience is precisely what makes my common sense so superior to those who have been biased by hard work or education.

...not too long ago the story of Obama's campaign contributions from Gaza was a big story, and Glenn Beck had the arrogance and discourtesy to represent these contributions as his team's discovery. In reality, it was Pamela who discovered those contributions...
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Yes—failing to credit the hard work of your sources is hardly praiseworthy—I don't blame Robert Spencer or Pamela Geller for being upset about this. On the other hand, the more this information gets out there, the better.

I would hardly consider Glenn Beck knowledgeable about Islam, but he he does seem to understand that Jihad poses at least something of a threat, and is generally not shy about airing his views.

So, I believe that Beck—despite his shortcomings—must be counted as an anti-Jihadist. Hence, he is an ally—albeit an imperfect one.

The still unanswered (I believe) question: Was Barry adopted by his Indonesian stepfather? Since his record says he's
a citizen of Indonesia, this may mean he was adopted by
his stepfather which automatically made him a citizen of Indonesia??
If this is true, did he ever apply to get back his U.S. citizenship before the age of 18? If not he's still an indonesian citizen-- not eligible to be President?

This guy has the most mixed up background ever!

The left uses the "Obama is a secret muslim" line as a way of mocking the right. We need to develop a new narrative that does a better job of explaining the facts.

I don't think that Obama is a secret Muslim. I think since he had a Muslim father, Islam considers him a Muslim by birth. His mother had a problem with that, given the second class status of women in Indonesia. There was probably tension in his home over the subject.

Further, when Obama went to school, he would probably have been subjected to the normal ridicule heaped on kids that are different if he had not studied Islam. So he went to Catholic classes to please his mother, and Islam classes to fit in with his friends and please his father. The Islam he studied in school was probably very innocuous, and did not discuss the pieces that Robert Spencer focuses on.

When he came to the US, his interest in Islam and Christianity gave way to secular pursuits. He adopted Christianity in Chicago when it became clear it suited his political interests.

Obama is a very secular guy. He doesn't regularly attend church, and pays lip service to faith. Devout Muslims would regard him as an apostate; evangelical Christians would deny that he has a saving faith in Jesus because he probably can't properly explain Jesus' work on the cross.

I don't think Obama is a Muslim. I also don't think he is a Christian. I think that he's a very secular guy who thinks that God is a nice idea and not much more.

I think this story fits the facts as we know them much better than "Obama is a secret Muslim" or "Obama is a Christian".

At best, Obama is an apostate...maybe someone in the religion of peace will take offense. No wonder he has to spend so much on this useless trip...security is expensive these days. Personally, I don't think obama is a US citizen and his actions are speaking much louder than his lies.

'Give me a child until he is seven, and I will give you the man."
- Jesuit saying.

Ernie:

"...The school had an international mix of pupils, including Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and Muslims..."

So he didn't need to take the classes to "fit in" with eh Muslim kids - it was a choice. I believe he also reached a certain level of excellence in his learning and pronunciations, etc. But I don't think he learned about terrorism, etc. It wasn't being promoted then to the same degree.

A muslim? There are some interesting references out there...
Just a few here:
Is Barack Obama Really A Saudi / Muslim "Plant" in the White House?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jhx_2TqffE
and this; Obama Admits He Is A Muslim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY&feature=related

The narcist Keyensian Weimar Kenyan is not a muslim, not a christian, not an American, not an Indonesian, not an Afro-American, so it's best to reckon him an alien from another planet, he is ruing the world economy, putting the Chinese mafia in the IMF, putting the corrupt mafia of India in the Security Council, so he comes closest to the devil Darth Vader.

Barack is an Obamsian.

So the Left mocks the Right for believing Obama is a Muslim; yet in PC Leftist terms, there would be nothing wrong with being a Muslim. Indeed, I have heard people saying it would be great if the prime minister was a Muslim as it would indicate the triumph of "diversity" (only really cool people would elect a Muslim, presumably). So on the one hand they think it is a good thing to be a Muslim, perfectly fine, and on the other acknowledge that it is rather scary - to think Obama is a Muslim is "paranoid". Therefore they reveal their own fear of Islam by denying the possibility that Obama is Muslim.
Phew, it is exhausting just thinking about the mental gymnastics these people put themselves through to avoid reality.


This article posted at Tempo Online and translated by Google appears to reveal Indonesia is quite miffed and losing patience with Obama:

"For Indonesia, this is the third reception-preparation after a planned visit by the President in March and June and then cancelled."
". . .On top of the geopolitical map, we see none of the ASEAN countries outside Indonesia and even the far more prosperous economy-be visited Obama in his first trip to Asia. And three other Asian neighbor who visited the President of the United States this time are the countries with strong economies: India, Japan, and South Korea. But from the composition of the trip, we can "read" in light of how "beautiful" was Washington's count, for this long trip also match the results. India's economic resurgence America increasingly taken into account in addition to China-the dragon from the East gets a small three-night. Followed by Korea and Japan, each of two nights. Indonesia?"

Indonesia appears to feel slighted, given Obama allotted a mere 24 hour visit to his childhood homeland while extending his visit in the other countries.

". . .Obama would have rushed to fill the agenda of the visit 24 hours solid. "
". . .However, these precious 24 hours. So Indonesia ready-prepared in the middle of all the trouble the government take care of disaster-insistently for the entire agenda can still fulfilled the two leaders: Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono and Barack Obama."
Despite natural disasters plaguing the country, Indonesia repeatedly makes expensive elaborate preparations for these much anticipated visits by Obama and his entourage.
". . . To the extent that there is no schedule to reminisce in Jakarta. Ben Rhodes said: "The time mepet, so Obama could not visit places of his childhood." Then he added, "But one day he will (visit) there too, because this after all not the last time President Obama to Indonesia."

Growing a bit testy about Obama's impetuous plans, perhaps Indonesia released this article to put Obama on notice that they have more information about Obama's background to release should Obama make the mistake of taking his childhood homeland for granted by testing their hospitality, budget and patience any further.

Also mentioned, perhaps as another tease provided by this article is none other than Imam Feisal Rauf:

". . . Dino Patti Djalal, Indonesia's Ambassador to America, going home from Washington, DC, to Jakarta with several members of his staff since last week to take part in setting up reception. So far there is no change," he said about the planned visit by Obama. Tempo met Dino when "college" in New York mosque imam, Feisal Abdul Rauf, the Palace on Friday last week. "

I would hardly consider Glenn Beck knowledgeable about Islam.

Isn't Glenn the one who claimed he read the Ko-Ran and didn't see any exhortations to violence therein? Even Dubya and PM Tony wouldn't go that far out into space.

Under US Immigration and Nationality law, someone has to be over 18 to repudiate US citizenship. A child born a US citizen (including one born overseas to at least one US parent) does not ipso facto lose US citizenship on being adopted by a foreign national. At least that's how things stood in the early 1990's, when I served as a US consular officer.

The only god Obama worships is the one he sees in the mirror.

Well, maybe I should already have known, but I didn't: 1) Obama's mother seems to have disapproved of Islam, and 2) Obama was the only student who insisted on attending classes on both Christianity and Islam. Both interesting factoids, assuming they are true.

Right. Yes, being critical of Islam is a good thing. But to temper gravenimage's point, it would be a mistake to ally with somebody so mentally weak; and who is susceptible not only to believe any random conspiracy-theory-of-the-day, but to jump up and down and declare that anybody skeptical of the conspiracy is an idiot. Turn on his show on any particular day and you are likely to see an example.

If expedience was a religion Barrack Hussein Obama would
qualify as its high priest. What other belief system
would this narcissist choose ? He is the opposite of
former President Carter, a Uriah Heep clone. Both were a
disaster to the United States. The two of them were and are united in their total disdain for America and her people.
President Obama and Caiphas would have been kindred souls.

Obama is a Muslim simply because after the age of ten he, by his own volition, recited many Muslim prayers in public. Why this is not pointed out I cannot fathom. Perhaps Spenser and friends do not wish to endanger the Presidents life, for by any Muslim measure President Obama is an Apostate and therefore, according to the Muslim religion, and the opinion of most Muslims, should be killed (anyone but a Muslim would call it "murdered"). But, I think Muslims do not Kill Obama because they are hoping that his behavior is stealth Jihad. I don't think they are correct in this because the man evinces a deep and abiding love for those kinds of murder that are called Abortion/Murders. Even though Muslims believe that a yet to be pushed out of the womb baby has no soul (they all so believe this), they find so much value in children that they shy away from the murder of babies. Not so with Obama and his ObamaNation.

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