Austrian MP Ewald Stadler to Turkish Ambassador: "People are sick and tired of the one-way street tolerance babble which you feed on"

Austrian MP Ewald Stadler, addressing the Turkish ambassador to Austria, here dares to tell the truth about Islam in Turkey and in Europe. It's breathtaking. Ewald Stadler surely deserves to be nominated for Anti-Dhimmi Internationale of 2010.

(Video thanks to Pamela Geller.)

UPDATE December 5: I had never heard of Stadler before seeing this video, and since posting it have been apprised of some of his antisemitic and neofascist views. Obviously he should not be and will not be a candidate for the Jihad Watch Anti-Dhimmi Award.

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People ARE getting sick and tired of Islamic hypocrisy in the free world, their double standards, their using of our values to eliminate those same values! That is for sure! As the saying goes, you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.
Not in the enlightened free world, oh no! No you can't, and time has been given to Muslims to do something to bring themselves into compliance with universal human rights, and nothing, NOTHING, has been done. In fact, they have used this time to only infiltrate and further Islamic laws and mores as somehow acceptable. Muslims have looked at this time given as a weakness of ours, as if we are stupid. They mistake our compassion for stupidity. The poor fools!
I hope the next generation of Muslims rejects their parents Islamic values of inequality and theocracy. That is the only hope for Muslims, themselves, but they are too blind, or evil, to see the road they are heading down.
It is ultimately Muslims' choice as to what will happen to them in the future, we cant force them to accept human rights, but we can, and will, fight them if that is what they choose. Plain and simple. Maybe one day they will awaken to this fact.

Wow, this guys fired up, but I don't know why he was holding back, he should just come right out and say what he means...I already voted or I would seriously consider him for international anti-dhimmi...After that speech he deserves some kind of award...

Islam is a one way street to HELL!

Now that's what I call a verbal ass-beatin'.

This guy is great. He gets it and I bet he is popular with his constituents because of these beliefs. Muslims have over played their hand. More and more people are waking up to the lie that is the religion of peace. This is a nice video to see we just need more of them.

Bravo!...Islam absolutely practices double standards...and that's the way it is...no doubt about it...It's great to say this directly to them...

And the people around the world are getting sick and tired of the Islamic onslaught into every fabric of their lives...

People see their neighborhoods being turned into Islamic Warsaw ghettos and they don't like it...and the people are starting to fight back...it's long overdue...

Start by banning Muslim immigration...

Ewald Stadler joins the band of good men who are not prepared to ignore evil.

My new hero! Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Certainly what this Austrian MP had to say merits a "It's about time someone said it" award. But what I find especially heartening is how it was received by a significant number of other MPs. Their reaction was basically "We've had it up to here with your Islamic bullsh_t."

Now lets see some action.

This man deserves our respect and then some! Not only for his (correct) stance on the pervasive spread of Islam, but also for is incredible candor and intentional abandonment of the political correctness that has permeated our political process.

If only our leaders, other European leaders, our MSM get some back bone like that of Austrian MP Stadler and tell Muslims to stop their hypocrisy and lies, we might get somewhere fighting Muslim terrorism!!!

We may be turning the tide where men like this can no longer be dismissed by the leftist elites as "far-right extremists", and instead, it is the leftist multiculturalists who will truly and accurately be recognized as dangerous extremists bent on a radical and disastrous transformation of Western civilization.

Exsgtbrown - Islam absolutely practices double standards...and that's the way it is...no doubt about it...It's great to say this directly to them...

Actually Sgt Brown I disagree with that. Islam is Islam; we only have faith, goals and objectives. We have to work really really hard to meet those due to the villification of us by people like him.

Naturally people don't our hard work and/or success and label it as "double standards". I don't wish to sweep under the carpet unduly so no doubt that "some" muslims may have "doubled up" but on the whole this is a very tiny minority breaking rules of their faith to please you.

Let's take the example of (muslim) taxi drivers not allowing blind + guide dogs onboard....you consider this as a double standard - but to me these gentle taxi folks are following the only faith they know - they have an anthema to dogs and cats froom birth - it has nothing to do with the blind or anything against what punishment Allah SWT has granted to him.

If it were a blind muslim with a guide dog - he wouldn't get on board either - so it's not a double standard - it's just the way Islam works - just get the next taxi.

Instead people work overtime on the fact that its a blind person who is extra needy - you know playing that emotional card and really it's not needed.

Let take another example of a bus driver stopping the service to pray. Christians pray in their minds and so it is expected for us too; but there is method and timing in our prayer, and it really does not take long; You take bias against this, rather then focusing on a man doing his duty to his God, the bus passengers could take that time and pray to their God too - they pray so rarely so why not take advantage of this time.

So please don't be sick and tired of us - show patience and thank us for showing you that there is a different way.

You mahoundians vilify yourselves day and night, 7 days a week, 365 days a year with such nonsense, and the sunnas you emulate.

I think Roland has summed up Islam perfectly----It is what it is, it isn't going to change, Westerners shouldn't expect Muslims to abandon their practices, and instead it's Westerners who need to adapt to Islam.

"It's just the way Islam works."

Roland says: "So please don't be sick and tired of us - show patience and thank us for showing you that there is a different way."

What, we should thank you for showing the world your murderous ways!!! You must be delusional - that's why you follow them. We really don't want your different ways here, you can keep these in your own Islamic paradises!!! The whole world is "sick and tired" of you guys!!! Islamic hypocrisy is really wearing thin now!!!

"Instead people work overtime on the fact that its a blind person who is extra needy - you know playing that emotional card and really it's not needed. "

This is so typical of Muslim think, as is the entire comment by Roland. Sensitivity and compassion does not exist in Islam toward others but needs to be shown only towards themselves. This is exactly the double standard that Ewald Stadler rants about. This comment by Roland proves Stadler correct.

roland's pretentious nonsense reminds me of the "revert" who is spamming YouTube with revert videos. I told him several things and his response was "i,m glad its working why not look on the bright side that you may well have been chosen to see my videos maybe you will find out that islam is the religion of truth.
i really do hope and pray that you may be guided.... aameen"

So to those who think that "roland" is a fake Muslim: I wouldn't be too sure. His superior sentiments towards the Infidel are right in the groove.

Dear Roland; a muslim taxi driver CANNOT descriminate against a customer who requires a seeing eye dog IF that is the LAW of the land any more than he or she can refuse a homosexual or a another on the basis of religion, nationality, gender, political affiliation, or skin color.

Roland, why comment on MP Stadler's address if you didn't even watch the video? It wasn't about taxi drivers or bus drivers. Side stepping the truth doesn't make it a lie. Muslims in the West are overdue for a dose of the same tolerance they give; i.e., zero. That's the way it's going to be soon; no more one way street for you! Don't like it; go home!

Roland, that was comedy gold. wow. You have just shown what we already know - what "moderate" muslim is all about. You have just told us that educating you muslims in our ways has its limits.

Maybe he can run for Congress here! Bravo, Mr. Stadler!!!! I hope he is not prosecuted for these remarks. Another person not on his knees in front of the disease, Moslems.

I love what the guy said. I wish like-minded folks would do the same thing in legislatures across Europe.

I just hope they don't prosecute him for "inciting hatred against a religious minority" or some similar crap.

roland roland........you are the prime example, of why for your erm, "faith", it is all going to ultimately end in tears.
Why is it? pray tell, that YOU cannot see.. "a different way".
Why is it? "only a small minority" are willing to break, YOUR insular, negative, self-destructive view of the world.....
the answer is simple...it is NOT a true faith, it is slavish, totalitarian, ideology with a fascist/genocidal tendancy.
THAT is why your supposed faith is the most despised on our planet, by all other true faiths/religions, it is easy for them all to see, inherrent violence, inherrent hate etc etc etc.
if you will not take off the blinkers, & join an enlightened world, you will stay blind, but we in a free civillised society will NEVER join you.....
NEVER!....the winds are changing roland, we hope for you, it is not an ill wind

Another gem from roland : "If it were a blind muslim with a guide dog - he wouldn't get on board either - so it's not a double standard - it's just the way Islam works - just get the next taxi."


First of all, if it was a blind Muslim, he wouldn't get a dog(you forget dog is unclean in Islam, so how a blind Muslim will have seeing eye dog?. He probably will have a goat or a sheep or a horse, and pronto he will get in Muslim taxi drivers cab. How a horse will fit in the taxi - oh it is only a minor detail!!

So rolands's nonsense about how a blind mUslim will be treated the same way as the blind infidel by a Muslim taxi driver is utter nonsense. Double standard of Muslims as usual!!!

Roland preaches :"just get the next taxi" - may be Muslims should get the next Islamic paradise - just not here!!!

I'm enthralled. Some excerpts:

"the [illiterates of Anatolia] ..."

"stone age islamists"

"people who bury their 16 year old daughter alive " (and the direct question to a woman present regarding such an act)

Clapping throughout!

Finally, the invitation for the Turkish ambassador to "enter the Orient Express and go back to Istanbul, your wonderland"

I do hope MP Stadler has protection, because communicating honest convictions will drive these already irrational mahouds even wilder.

I'm going to play it again now, I loved it.

Roland said: "Let's take the example of (muslim) taxi drivers not allowing blind + guide dogs onboard....you consider this as a double standard - but to me these gentle taxi folks are following the only faith they know - they have an anthema to dogs and cats froom birth - it has nothing to do with the blind or anything against what punishment Allah SWT has granted to him."

You are deliberately missing the point. You hypothetical Muslim cabbie is not permitted to discriminate against the blind patron with the guide-dog. There is not double-standard here. There is only this single standard: The dictates of the driver's religion are subordinate to the law.

"tolerance romantics"


i have to make a note of that...

Lol, there were a few tentative squeaks from the other side of the parliament, but Mr. Stadler slammed them quicker than Muhammad could call down a revelation.

Roll up, roll up, place your bets! I agree with the essence of what he is saying (though I will always have a problem with people shoulting in German), but lets see how long he can last before he is forced to resign for insulting Islam and/or those poor downtrodden Turks.

"Let take another example of a bus driver stopping the service to pray. Christians pray in their minds and so it is expected for us too; but there is method and timing in our prayer, and it really does not take long...the bus passengers could take that time and pray to their God too - they pray so rarely so why not take advantage of this time."

In the interests of interfaith dialogue, let's take that example to its rational conclusion:

When the passengers, who are missing their flights, meetings, etc, on the whim of the muslim-driver's religious hubris, beat the falaffel out of the driver and kick his sorry ass into the gutter, taking over the driving for themselves to meet their commitments...

When that happens, please don't kill cartoonists and blow-up airplanes and sue Disneyland. We would do the same to a non-muslim driver. It's just the way we are, the way civilized society works...

Hey Roland, I have been hanging out on the side here for donkeys years, but I wonder if you are the same pen as "Roland" who comments on the Jakarta papers and the odd Indo blog?

Cause you sound to me like some mixed up bule who got sucked in to " must become a moslem to marry an moslem indon girl" with out doing his homework!

Sort of half in the real world and half in the fake muzi paradise?

Else I worry you are just playing outright with Satan himself.

Just interested, no offense intended, Sri

"Ewald Stadler", BRAVO! "Ewald Stadler" a name to remember. One cannot help but wonder though, what, if any position he has taken with the current lawfare suit against Elisabeth Sabaditsch Wolff?

Roland, I respect a Muslim's devotion to prayer; but you don't respect any other religion. You have no right to say who is praying or not praying or when they should be doing it.

It's fine to pray on the bus; but you can't stop the bus. Other people have rights, too. Perhaps they are traveling to pray with others?

It's the law in America that a taxi driver can't refuse to pick up any passenger. If a person is allergic, or has a religious requirement, or any other reason why he can't allow a passenger with a dog or a bottle of wine into his cab, he cannot be a taxicab driver. He will have to enter some other profession just like everybody else.

Roland, I respect a Muslim's devotion to prayer; but you don't respect any other religion. You have no right to say who is praying or not praying or when they should be doing it.

It's fine to pray on the bus; but you can't stop the bus. Other people have rights, too. Perhaps they are traveling to pray with others?

It's the law in America that a taxi driver can't refuse to pick up any passenger. If a person is allergic, or has a religious requirement, or any other reason why he can't allow a passenger with a dog or a bottle of wine into his cab, he cannot be a taxicab driver. He will have to enter some other profession just like everybody else.

When muslims kill an infidel it is considered "good works" to try an appease their god and counter act their bad works so that they can get to the great brothel in the sky!

Roland diplays the Muslim mind-set, any disgusting act can be justified with Islam. From discrimination to mass murder. Wolf in sheep's clothing people. Wolf in sheep's clothing.
Poor Muslim taxi drivers, victims of the blind. lol In Roland's mind it is the taxi driver who is the poor victim, not the blind person who requires a guide dog to live a life outside the home. I suppose blind Muslims in Muslim-dominated countries must suffer horribly locked up in houses. Roland thinks it's there fault for being blind, and Allah knows best. *shakes head* Shameful, yet he has no shame. I suppose if he felt some he would have to go on a murderous rampage on the person who made him feel.
Islam is a mental sickness, stemming from the original one who had said sickness, Muhammed.

I wonder if it's legal in Austria for a non-citizen to donate to an Austrian MP's campaign fund. 'Cause I would love to send a buck or two to this guy. Just wish we had some like him in the US.

One of my favorite quotes:

"Ms. Muhltonnen, do you have any compassion for this 16-year-old, who was buried alive? She wasn't a Catholic, so you ARE allowed to feel sorry for her."

It's interesting that the Muslim "Roland" defines himself and other Muslims as "hard workers" just here to work hard, and we are making the "work" of the Muslim even more hard than it should be. Knowing that the Muslims were first brought into Germany back in the 1960s by the German Government as "gastarbeiters", guest workers, to perform jobs, hard jobs that Germans didn't want to do (supposedly). It's the same as in the U.S. the Democratic Party welcomes and protects "workers' from Mexico (in this case illegal) as simply good decent hard-working lovable little people. The Democratic Party and it's affiliates and auxiliaries in the U.S. must be eradicated.

Bhobby,
to follow on, I might stand corrected, but weren't the first "moslem guest workers" to Germany in recent times employed by the 3rd Reich, you know, the Caucasian "Russian's" who cleaned up the Warsaw uprising and operated the death camps under SS direction?

Hi Ewald,

If have the time please teach the leaders from US and other European nations. You are a true a leader and we need more of your kind.

Salute you.

The best moment in the video must be where Stadler slaps down his fellow MP for smirking that he's getting too "dramatic" referencing the murdered priest. Indeed, THAT drama was golden. Like the payoff in a movie where you're just waiting and waiting and waiting for the bad guy to get it and justice be restored. Man, that was great, I think I'll watch it again!

Perhaps it would be better not to refer to people who aren't moslem as infidels. Isn't that playing into the mahounds hand? An infidel is a person who does not believe in God. I know many people who practice a Christian faith, thus they are not infidels. Maybe it would be better to refer to the moslems as non-Christians? That is a far more accurate description, wouldn't you say?

As a Christian I know that there are some of my fellow Christians who are subject to numerous superstitions, irrational obsessions, fixations on charms and amulets, a need to kneel and pray every couple of hours due to irrational guilt, a fear of witches, a fear of the Jew, and so on. We Christians feel no need to approve of such religionists. We don't have to feel kindly towards them (and we usually don't) and we certainly don't give them special privileges to enable them to impose their idiosyncracies on us.

Yes that was brilliant!

My heart is beaming with pride and love for this bold and courageous man who eloquently delivered the words that have needed to be spoken to not just Turks but to all mohammadans who've we graciously (and idiotically) let into our countries.

Ewald Stadler, I love you. You give me hope that all is not lost, that there are brave politicians, like you, who will fight this evil in our midst.

He also gets my vote for International Anti-Dhimmi for 2010.

So please don't be sick and tired of us - show patience and thank us for showing you that there is a different way.

Yes, Roland, there is a different way. For you, its back to Pakistan, infidel-hating scrounger.

We may be turning the tide where men like this can no longer be dismissed by the leftist elites as "far-right extremists", and instead, it is the leftist multiculturalists who will truly and accurately be recognized as dangerous extremists bent on a radical and disastrous transformation of Western civilization.

Hear, hear! This is the crucial turning point in our civilizational awakening to the barbaric primitive Medievalism of Islamic theo-political ideology infiltrating the West and all the Free World, from Japan to Antarctica to Iceland, when even Leftish ideologues can see it. The world is beginning to truly understand what these past 1400 years of Jihad had been all about (bit slow but better late than never), and turn the tables on the Islamic-end-of-days-Jihad of today, the last gasp of this evil ideology spawned by an evil man lusting for booty and slaves, especially women slaves and little children, for the glory of worshipping his uncle's family moon-god Allah. The whole rotten thing is done. Stadler gets it: No more Islam double standard, and no Sharia, ever. Islam is finished.

BTW, how do you get a eye-seeing-horse into a cab? .... (beat)... If "Allah Wills it". :-)

Yes, definitely a nominee for Dhimmi Internationale, please.

Also a nominee for UN Secretary General.

Er, I meant Anti-Dhimmi Internationale, of course

Brilliant! But I hope he doesn't get into trouble. Recently an Austrian was fined 800 Euros for yodelling in his garden because muslims took offence.

http://www.austriantimes.at/news/General_News/2010-11-29/28753/Yodelling_offends_praying_Muslims,_say_judges

Incidentally, when people see videos like Ewald Stadler's they think "yeah, I'm not the only one who was thinking this". Suddenly, it's not taboo any more when a respectable politician articulates perfectly,and with passion, what is wrong with islam.

American Dhimmi: Pres Obama

Pres Obama for praising Islam even when asked about his opinion on Kihad.

Dhimmi Internationale: The UN

For passing a motion making it illegal to defame religions - Islam

American Anti-Dhimmi: Pamela Geller

For her immense courage against the concerted defamation of her by the MSM.

Anti-Dhimmi Internationale: The EDL

Not withstanding the speech by Ewald Stadler, the EDL has gone out on the street against the determined opposition of the UK government, courts and the police, as well as in the Netherlands. They have withstood not just words, but violence from UAF goons, and the police. They have done so with bravery.

PS: Do I have to email this to Mr Spencer?

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POLITICIAN ALERT
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You want to get elected? You want to be the most popular politician in your country? You want to feel like you're doing good in the world in the cause of freedom and liberty? Then look in the mirror and simply start speaking to truth and obeying the will of your people who have woken up to creeping sharia and the Islamic supremacists and their dhimmis who are trying to take your way of life away, inch by inch, cm by cm.

Like Holland's Wilders, like Germany's Merkel is starting to, or like Canadian PM Harper battling the Islamic corruption of the UN, and like many others rising in stature and prominence on the world stage -- like this new HERO.

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END OF POLITICIAN ALERT

This has put me in rather a good mood ......the slimy spineless PC politicians in England should take note.

Quick joke: What time does Saddam Hussein have his tea?

Answer: When Tarik Haziz (..when Tarik has his!!!)

Yes, I like this Austrian maverick.....

Wow, every country should have someone like this, we are all sick and tired of Islam dictating to us because they are so intollerant and angry. Guess what Islam I am now intollerant and angry at the way you want to change countries to suit yourself. Enough is enough, go back and live in your 6th century, we have moved on and if you cannot move on then we don't want you living amongst us. A very brave man and I hope he stays safe !!!

Wow, every coountry should have someone like this, we are all sick and tired of Islam dictating to us because they are so intollerant and angry. Guess what Islam I am now intollerant and angry at the way you want to change countries to suit yourself. Enough is enough, go back and live in your 6th century, we have moved on and if you cannot move on then we don;t want you living amongst us. A very brave man and I hope he stays safe !!!

Wow! There's only one response that I can make to that video: Mr. Ewald Stadler for International Anti-Dhimmi

Oh my God! I had heard a bit about this, and found it heartening—but I had *no idea* how forthright Ewald Stadler would be.

To hear a Western leader not just speak the truth about Islam, but to speak it with *righteous anger and great passion*, is stirring beyond words.

Amazing. Prime Minister Stadler *is my Hero*.

Definitely, he deserves to be Anti-dhimmi international of the year. Bravo!

Naturally people don't our hard work and/or success and label it as "double standards". I don't wish to sweep under the carpet unduly so no doubt that "some" muslims may have "doubled up" but on the whole this is a very tiny minority breaking rules of their faith to please you.

Sir, even allowing for the difficulties you appear to have with English, and the problems inherent in translation, you have again written garbled nonsense.

What do you mean? or, as the French say, idiomatically, "What does that thing want to say?" (Qu'est-ce ça veut dire?) I mention the French with the pun on the word "thing," because, to me it seems that your posts might have been made entirely by machine - that you are not a man at all. Or perhaps you are someone using a machine to translate from your native language to English, or are using the machine translator to supplement what you know about English. If you continue in this way, you will never be well understood. Therefore, I suggest that you seek out a well-qualified English teacher, apply yourself to some further study, and follow up by taking a rigorous course in logic. Pay special attention to any section discussing informal fallacies. I would caution you though, that such a course may dissolve your appreciation of Islam.

There is not a scrap, a mote, a word, a dot, a prefix or an infix, in the Muslim world, that the people of the West need or want from Islam. There is nothing that Islam has to offer anyone, except counterexample. Islam has neither love, nor humanity, nor good sense. Your prophet, apparently descended from a nominally civilized family, retained the mind of a savage. Your holy book, the Qur'an, is riddled with logical errors. The Old and New Testaments are as lucid as geometry by comparison.

In fact, I could say that the Christian Bible is a hive, and the Qur'an a swarm, a chaos of Tabadinae noise from the order of Diptera. (Who ever said that Classical languages are useless?) With the Christian verses as bees and the Islamic verses as flies, it recalls the old Latin proverb, Sola apis excellit muscarum milia quinque. That trumps your book by a five thousand to one.

Edwald Stadler has bravely and forthrightly spoken out against this Islamic dissimulation, this strutting insistence that Muslim concerns always be considered first. I'm glad that he said what he did. It gives me hope that resistance to your pernicious faith is growing. If you wish to reform the wretched Islam, get busy. The West needs more politicans like Edwald Stadler; and, if you are in earnest in what you appear to mean, far less of those who think as you do. If you would be a person of goodwill, then Islam is not your faith, and I suggest that you leave it.

(The Latin is, "A single bee exceeds five thousand flies," or, more loosely, "A single bee is better than five thousand flies.")


Battle of Tours. If I had had a cup of tea in my hand when I read your comment, I would have spilled it. That would have been the will of Baubo. Islamic Allah begone.

Thanks for the joke.

Caution to Robert and anti-totalitarians everywhere. Stadler appears to be a senior member of the Austrian Freedom Party (FPO) - which has been sympathetic to Austria's Nazi past and has pandered to racist sentiment.

Not everyone who tells the truth about Islam does so from good motives. To put up someone who is at the heart of what many feel with good reason to be a Nazi-sympathising party as a candidate for the anti-Dhimmi award - what should be an anti-totalitarian award - is gross.

http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/asw98-9/austria.htm

This is no surprise, the FPO hates jews (and gays etc.) but has understood (has others have) that hating Muslims is much safer and will get them much more support. As soon as the neo-fascists transfer their hatred of jews to Muslims, Robert welcomes them with open arms.

Google this guy and find out what he thinks.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewald_Stadler

As for you Robert, you should be ashamed of yourself.

The man didn't mention Jews, gays, or anyone else, only the blatant, egregious hypocrisy of muslims and NOBODY can refute a word he said because it was all true. Now you tell us that he's a Nazi sympathizer so everything he said should be immediately discredited. I wish we had dozens like him in our Congress. Wikipedia is not exactly a reliable source for accurate information. It will take more than some left-wing screed on Wikipedia to convince me that this guy is what you say he is and even if it turns out to be true, every word of his speech was dead on!

Ramses, actually you should be ashamed of yourself. Now, for the record, from what I can make out, this guy has some very questionable associations - his defence of Horst Maler, who amongst other things, praised the 9/11 attacks is one example.

However the reason I know this is that I speak German. There is little in that speech I disagree with; and given the tendency of people like you to accuse anyone who speaks out against the Islamic ultra-right of fascism, it's an understandable mistake.

Again, I speak German and I doubt Mr. Spencer does. It's an understandable mistake.

Lou Bator said "Perhaps it would be better not to refer to people who aren't moslem as infidels. Isn't that playing into the mahounds hand? An infidel is a person who does not believe in God. I know many people who practice a Christian faith, thus they are not infidels. Maybe it would be better to refer to the moslems as non-Christians? That is a far more accurate description, wouldn't you say?"
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If you are Christian, you are still considered by Muslims to be an infidel. Yes, Jews and Christians are "people of the book" but all non-Muslims are still considered to be "Infidels".

Muslims say Christianity and Islam share a same belief in Jesus. In Islam, Jesus is a prophet and he is not considered to be the "son of god", nor do Muslims believe in the Holy Trinity. Because Christians do believe in the Trinity and that Jesus is the "Son of God" they consider Christians to be impure or something like that.

While Muslims give some credit to Jews and Christians for having at least some faith or belief system, they detest Athiests far more for having NO faith at all. They still consider all but Muslims to be infidels.

HIGH-FRICKIN-FIVE TO STADLER!!! Now if only some of our government officials would sprout some cajones.

That video needs to be played on every US network "news" program, every hour, every day. Of course, that won't happen. They're too focused on more urgent matters... such as the engagement of Prince Charming and Princess Whatsername.

Susanp -

If you don't believe FPO is Nazi-sympathising you are living in a dreamworld. Haider refers to the death camps as "punishment camps" as though the poor Jews and others who met their awful end there deserved to. They've tried to make out the Waffen SS were just honest soldiers doing their duty. They are pan-Germanist, as Hitler was.

If you can't realise that it's possible for a thief to to cry thief then you know nothing.

Revolting roland regurgitates this barf ...

"So please don't be sick and tired of us - show patience and thank us for showing you that there is a different way."

Yeah, islam is different, alright ...different in a very BAD way.

And I'll "thank you" for lying to us since islam and company are evil to the core - beginning, but not ending with, muhammad the perverted-prophet.

You're one sick dude ...

Unbelievable, RAMSES! What a weak comparison!

Does Stadler promote the beheading of Jews or Rabbis?
Does he suggest, or even condone, the live-burial of gays?

Nothing he does or says begins to compare to the despicable practices of islam, which you defend.

It is YOU, who should be ashamed of yourself... NOT Robert.

@ Roland
You wrote: 'Islam is Islam; we only have faith, goals and objectives.'

Islam is Islam -- meaning?
we only have faith -- faith is the qaulity required to maintain a belief in something of which you are not certain. Islam says that it's right and all other religions are wrong. So, where is the need for faith when Islam is suffused with such smug certainty?
goals and objectives - yes, to murder innocents until the world is forced to bow the knee to Allah, according to Al Qur'an.

So, your noble sounding phrase is actually meaningless, aggressive doggerel when given a cursery examination.

You're a clown!


Are you for real, you won't let a blind person with a guide dog into your taxi, well shame on you, and as for the muslim with a guide dog, are you dreaming didn't you see the muslim girl who was blind and her parents got her a "guide pony" because she couldn't have a guide dog, would that be allowed inside a muslim taxi? Step out of the box and look how stupid your beliefs are, you can't because you daren't. I for one would never get in a taxi driven by a muslim, fear of being raped, that's another thing you lot seem good at. Not getting enough, so take it out on young white girls, your faith is so peaceful isn't it, get a life and move on.

Oh please.

Let's focus on the present for a moment, shall we? Nobody is saying that there are no brutalities/atrocities commited in the name of nazism, today. But such things are neither common nor widely condoned among Germans.

They are the exception, rather than the rule... and you KNOW that.

In the islamic world, however, such brutalities and atrocities, TODAY, ARE common-place...
WIDELY accepted... even CELEBRATED.

Get real.

Looks to me like Roland is deceptive-

Lets follow his scenario, a bus driver prays five time a day, for the sake of tolerance the others in the bus need to pray five times a day. Sure, people have paid the driver to take them from A to B, which Mussie cares about that? So your suggestion of subtly converting us to Islam is typically known as stealth Jihad. I think the bus company should fire the guy who is not doing the job he is paid to do, i.e. take the folks to B at within that time.

Your pathetic example about a blind guy shows how much Mussies care about blind people. A Blinde person needs a dog for guiding from A to B. Instead of taking the blind to his/her home, your pathetic religion dictates you should gutter him/her. You follow that religion blindly. Did it ever occur to you that there is something seriously wrong with Islam?

Bravo Hr. Stadler!!!!

Ewald Stadler is first and foremost a catholic of the old school. The bitter outbursts we hear are to be understood in this regard. Also he is a German nationalist. Also he was FPÖ and is BZÖ (Haider). Right wing populist? sure.

Some established political parties certainly cannot stand him: we see many expressionless faces here. Well, what do we know: perhaps he pulls a stunt like this every other day.

It does not detract from the fact that he speaks a true word here, and I love every minute of it. I would never look for more though.

Great speech! is there a way to lift it and put in on a facebook page. l would appreciate any ideas.

If the FP were anything close to pro-Nazi, they wouldn't be permitted to sit in parliament. Comments made by Jorg Haider do not demonstrate a party platform.

ramses and roland ...

you're quite an evil pair - so scram, you two!

btw, your pathetic prophet is currently rotting in hell, and so will you if you continue to follow his evil religion: islam. Hey, consider yourself warned.

Yeah, muslims are so blind, aren't they? I mean why would ANYONE in their right mind follow after an evil man like muhammad? Damn, it takes all kinds ...

What's the matter with a "catholic of the old school?" As for bitterness, sometimes bitterness is justified. FDR was bitter about the attack on Pearl Harbor. So what?

Stadler a German nationalist? Sounds like an Austrian patriot to me. And who cares if "Some established political parties cannot stand him?" Such parties may be wrong and Stadler correct---on a lot of issues. Such parties may be full of dopey, PC/MC types. Probably are.

Stadler might pull a stunt like this every day? Huh-uh. Any proof for this or is this just a way of belittling the man?

You won't look for more? Oh, that's a relief to know. But how generous of you to still extend praise for the bitter, old Catholic nationalist who will never excell again and whom lots of other people don't like.

C'mon, quit pissin' on a great anti-dhimmi moment. You're not as bad as "Roland" to be sure but being a mushy moderate ain't much better. Remember, there's no such thing as a great moment in moderate history. Snobbery is also something to be avoided and your comment came across to me as something right out of Snob City.

If all government leaders in the West were to speak as MP Stadler has spoken, it's almost certain that Muslims will back off, get quiet, and behave themselves nicely for a time -- maybe for quite some time. Jihad, both violent and stealth, would come to a halt ... for awhile. For it's also certain that supremacist Islamic aggression would sooner or later revive and pester us again. Merely stopping Jihad is not enough for me, because my grandchildren should not have to be threatened by the existence of Islam.

You keep a civil tongue in your head, Sir!

I have seriously tired of being called all possible tings here. Bye.

This man should automatically win the contest! This guy rocks!

Notoshariah & Steffen Larson,

There is a new internet site I have heard of that specializes in finding Nazis under the bed and in the closet, it's so good at finding them, they are there even when they are not. Robert and Pamela could tell you all about them.

Mmmmmmmm let me think, what was it called......

Oh yeah

littlegreencuntballs.com or something like that.

I am sure they would love to hear about these Nazis in the closet.

Please get a grip.

Kindest Regards

KM

What an amazingly courageous man! Two thumbs up and hands clapping for this man! We need him to get multiplied by the thousands who can speak the facts without mincing words about the constant outrages that Muslim people commit against their own and non-Muslims.

Muslim imams and clerics that preach violence against their own (i.e., their wives and daughters as in wife-beating and honor-killing) and against non-Muslims do not deserve any respect. What they deserve is to be arrested and put in jail.

You, in effect, damned Ewald Stadler with faint praise and I took issue with this. Why not take issue with me rather than run away? What's the matter, can't stand the heat in the kitchen? How ya' gonna' stand up to Islamic supremacists when a Jeffersonian democrat like me, who doesn't want to harm you in any manner, nor impede in any way your free speech, merely criticizes you? Talk about touchy.

Great stuff. Kind of gives one some hope for Europe after all. Who'd have thunk it, gonads in the heart of Europe!

Roland,

You are a wonderful guy (in the eyes of Satan)! Your words are so full of wisdom (to the ears of demons)! Your insights are so profound that they are worthy of all praises by the Devil!

KM -

If you can't debate I suggest you don't post.

FPO is well documented for its pro-Nazi leanings. I speak as someone who supports Geert Wilders, who is often painted as "far right" - but I have never found anything to suggest he has given any support to Nazi totalitarianism.

Are you claiming FPO has not had those connections with Nazism? If so, let's see some rebuttal rather than assertion.

Robert's made a big mistake in giving this guy a pat on the back.

Ewald Stadler is a member of the Austrian Parliament. He's addressing personally, man to man, the Turkish Ambassador. Stadler is representing Parliament, not his Party, not his particular partisan persuation. It's an international incident, not an internal Austrian squabble. Therefore, being on the international stage, it could effect all of us. Its international implications make matters like Austrian nationalism irrelevant for our purposes. The Parliament and people of Austria decide who represents them. It's not my business, and I'm hardly even curious. The fact he's an MP does mean something positive about the man, doesn't it?

Angela -

It's nothing to do with the status of Nazism in the modern world. It's to do with associating this site with the FPO - an organisation that has been and still is notorious for its Waffen SS connections, pro-Anschluss position, general racism and anti-semitism.

It plays very badly with democrats in Europe and gives succour to leftist propaganda suggesting Robert is a fascist. Robert needs to do more research before associating himself with these guys.

"roland" wrote, replying to exsgtbrown:

Exsgtbrown - Islam absolutely practices double standards...and that's the way it is...no doubt about it...It's great to say this directly to them...

Actually Sgt Brown I disagree with that. Islam is Islam; we only have faith, goals and objectives...
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I reluctantly must agree with the odious "roland" here. Islam only appears to have double standards; actually, they are very consistent.

Islamic supremacism reigns. You must "respect" them—or at least fear them—but they do not owe any respect to their moral superiors in return.

More:

Let's take the example of (muslim) taxi drivers not allowing blind + guide dogs onboard....you consider this as a double standard - but to me these gentle taxi folks are following the only faith they know - they have an anthema to dogs and cats froom birth - it has nothing to do with the blind or anything against what punishment Allah SWT has granted to him.
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Ugh. First, he describes as "gentle" Muslims who bully and mistreat *blind people*. Then he goes on to consider this disability a *punishment from "Allah"*.

I do not believe Muslims are born with their irrational superstitions and antipathies—they have to be taught such grotesqueries.

More:

Instead people work overtime on the fact that its a blind person who is extra needy - you know playing that emotional card and really it's not needed.
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It certainly is "not needed" as Muslims see it. Islam neither "empowers" people to be independent and compensate for their disabilities, nor does it offer any sort of sympathy or care. Islam preys on the weak.

Yet more:

So please don't be sick and tired of us - show patience and thank us for showing you that there is a different way.
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Thank you for showing us that you adhere to a vicious and pitiless creed. Importing the votaries of such an ugly faith to the decent West cannot civilize them, and they will only try to drag our advanced societies down to their barbaric level—and they do not stick at using violence to achieve their barbaric ends.

Incidentally, I have never been so sick and tired of anything in my life as Islam. The Australian MP, above, seems quite sick and tired of you lot as well.

Not surprisingly, "Turkish court rules bishop's killer insane, blocking further investigation"

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=8450

My problem with Muslims and your typical platitudes is that they are so obviously disingenuous in regards to what is actually needed to prove that Islamic culture is compatible with western civilization.

Here is what we need to see on a massive scale in order to prove such compatibility in my humble opinion.

Western Islamic activist groups working loudly and tirelessly to shed light upon, and stop the discrimination against non-Muslims in the Islamic world. It is that simple really.

What do we hear out of you Muslims in the face of such egregiousness crimes against humanity occurring on a daily basis in the name of YOUR religion and culture against non-Muslims? All we hear from Muslims is "tolerate us", "let us insinuate our norms into your society", "you are a narrow minded bigot for even looking at the Islamic world", expecting reciprocity. We hear NOTHING. All activism is being done by non-Muslims, who are decried as "racist" or Islamophobes by Muslims and their apologists.

Nature hates an imbalance, the future is yours to decide. Your world, your culture is cursed, just look at the world you fled, the world you created. It is yours alone to save. It will start by treating others the way you wish to be treated. There is no reason at all for us to believe that you would treat us any differently than Muslims universally treat non-Muslims if given the chance. There is only ONE way to prove otherwise, all other efforts will ALWAYS appear disingenuous. I have to admit, the future does not look bright for you.

This "Roland" character is evidently a proud Muslim, but he's cursed with a double infirmity: He's also schizophrenic or borderline psychotic or something like that. I'm not a psychiatrist but all I'm saying is Islamic ideology is strange and peculiar but it's not necessarily irrational. And Roland is irrational. It's a rare thing in a person no matter what the religion. It's like he has a deck of 52 playing cards, each card with a phrase or a simple idea and he keeps shuffling the deck and dealing himself sequences of cards which are supposed to convey a train of thought. (I know alot about typical Muslim mentalities and they have their patterns of thinking, their own kind of odd logic. Roland is different.)

Just another 'Kumbaya' evening on JW. I LOVE IT!

What did we learn? For one thing, our resident 'Moderate moslem' Roland Rat is as duplicitous and oily in his prose as the U.S. tax code is long.

The JW coven is in full throat yet again, baying for the blood of anyone who dares run counter to their group-think.

To paraphrase Wellington: Why can't people just defend their position without throwing mud or running? Most odd.

10/10 ethoman, well dismantled.

Very well said, ethoman, though I think your wisdom will be completely lost on Roland. More to the point, I think it will be lost on virtually all Muslims.

The day a new synagogue arises in Iran, a new Catholic church in Saudi Arabia, a new Orthodox church in Turkey, I'll reconsider things. Till then, my mind is closed to a system of belief which is about as closed as any belief system ever has been to alternative ideas. The Islamic world deserves no respect as long as it does not accord equal respect to other faiths.

Hey, Roland, are you gettin' this? I highly doubt you are, but go ahead and prove me wrong. I dare you. And I say you can't.

I did not deny or confirm that Mr. Stadler is a nazi sympathizer because I don't know anything about Austrian politics or Mr. Stadler. As you well know, everyone who even hints at the truth about islam and muslims is automatically labled a racist, bigot, islamophobe, and hater by the politically correct, multiculturalist appeasers and useful idiots.

It was so refreshing to hear somebody in the free world tell the arrogant muslim supremacists what a bunch of lying hypocrites they are and I applaud Mr. Stadler for doing that. Whatever else he might believe and support, he did us all a service by humiliating the Turkish spies and giving the islamic world notice that the West is not as stupid and gullible as they might think.

Notoshariah,

I have no problem with debate, what I do have and it would appear many others do as well, is with you flinging Nazi epithets on to Robert, merely because he links to an FPO politician that had the guts to say what we are all thinking.

Maybe you can point out to me where Robert has endorsed the FPO and their manifesto in that post, because I have looked real hard and I can't see it. Like I said earlier if you are seeing Nazis under the bed then there is a site that you would find much more to your liking. Of course that site holds no credibility, much like you on this particular thread.

As I was listening to this my heart was pounding with a mixture of righteous anger and pride; righteous anger towards the Turkish ambassador and pride that FINALLY a politician has the courage and conviction to stand up to these muslims. Usually when someone tries to speak up they are shouted down by muslim activists and islamic apologists and can hardly get a word in edgewise and therefore "give up" and walk away. I love this guy and I'd vote for him if I could.

Susan

you wrote:

"It was so refreshing to hear somebody in the free world tell the arrogant muslim supremacists what a bunch of lying hypocrites they are and I applaud Mr. Stadler for doing that.

"Whatever else he might believe and support, he did us all a service by humiliating the Turkish spies and giving the islamic world notice that the West is not as stupid and gullible as they might think."

My own reaction exactly. It was high time *somebody*, somewhere, said this kind of thing, right to the faces of the representatives of a part of the Ummah. And it was so enormously satisfying to see it happening.

Wouldn't it be *amazing* if somebody did something like this at the UN?

Or in the British Parliament, next time some lying, sneaking Muslim 'representative' is paying an official visit? Or in the Canadian Parliament? Or in the Australian Parliament?

Or in Congress? (Actually, I suspect Congressman Allen West is more than capable; just wait till opportunity arises, and I think we'll see him letting rip).

One last comment here: I am being showered with abuse wherever I enter a discussion with Muslims on the net, most often in defense of the the books by Robert Spencer. And yes, I find it difficult to stand the heat of being targeted with invectives. Still, I thought I had to put up with the superior smirk of the likes of our dave here for the sake of the cause, but honestly I see little reason to present myself of more of the same from all directions.
I have nothing against "old-school" Catholics, it does not change that he is one. You can very well be a Pan-Germanist while also being an Austrian citizen. I praise him when it is due, I do not agree with him in everything. I did not damn him, I did not intend to damn him, I only repeated and agreed with what everyone is saying: that he is a right wing populist which is why he is targeted by the PC.
You did more than just criticize and I always stop a discussion at this point.
Again: bye.

What an outstanding speech. That was even better than a few cups of strong coffee, and I don't give a DAMN in what language he was shouting in. His words and cause are what matters to me.

As far as I'm concerned he can ratchet it up a few more notches.

I salute this man taking a stand for human freedom.

Susanp -

Well if you don't know, you should find out ,as it isn't that difficult in this day and age on the internet.

The FPO have been associated with racism, pro-Anschluss politics (re-uniting Germany and Austria), anti-semitism and attempts to whitewash the role of the Waffen SS, Himmler's elite troops.

To associate this site, as Robert has done, with a senior member of that party, is to discredit this site. Sad but true. This guy is NOT most emphatically NOT a Geert Wilders.

We get the same thing in the UK. The BNP party (founded by a Nazi) speak many truths about Islam. But Robert would be seriously wrong to associate this site with the BNP.

I entirely agree with Notoshariah. However I also know that I know about the FPO because I can speak German, something I doubt that Mr. Spencer does. This is something that Sam Harris warned about in The End of Liberalism:

"The same failure of liberalism is evident in Western Europe, where the dogma of multiculturalism has left a secular Europe very slow to address the looming problem of religious extremism among its immigrants. The people who speak most sensibly about the threat that Islam poses to Europe are actually fascists."

Quite.

So, Roland, why aren't you Muslims grateful to us Christians for showing you a different way? Why must you subject us to discriminatory laws, consider our girls abduction/rape targets, and see our whole communities as scapegoats when things go wrong in every country that you dominate? Why must those Muslims who find Islam unsatisfying and turn to Christ considered worthy of death in your eyes? Muslim actions in this regard speak loudest.

"We didn't ask you to send us all the illiterates of Anatolia. We haven't asked you to send your stone-age Islamists from Anatolia either"

Mr Stadler could be speaking for every European country. We didn't ask for hordes of Muslims to come out of their backward countries and immigrate to the West. We didn't ask or invite them but, like unwelcome guests, they came anyway and now we are stuck with them and their barbaric ways. There are too many 'tolerance romantics' as Stadler calls them whom we know as 'useful idiots'. These are non-Muslims who have an utopian dream of the world community coming together to form the brotherhood of man. Among them are idealists who have no knowledge of Islam and have never read the Qur'an but are always there to provide support for Muslims even when confronted with the most damming of evidence. Useful idiots are also the first to call you an 'Islamophobe' when the argument is going against them.

Jaladhi - "If it were a blind muslim with a guide dog - he wouldn't get on board either"

You mad e the point that a blind muslim wouldn't have a dog anyway - so the question never arises.

I agree with you fully, what I am saying is that IF such a situation occured - he would not be allowed on, instead the taxi driver would ask him as to WHY he has to have a dog - "where are your brothers or sisters to guide you?", or he would help his muslim brother to get into a non-muslim taxi (seems like taxis are religion based too).

Yayyyyyyyy! Halleluja!!!! The light at the end of the tunnel might not be the headlight of that oncoming train after all!

Ewald Stadler for President.....

of the USA ;)

Susan - I for one would never get in a taxi driven by a muslim, fear of being raped, that's another thing you lot seem good at. Not getting enough, so take it out on young white girls, your faith is so peaceful isn't it, get a life and move on.

Susan, you are entitled to take any taxi that you want to. I think that yopu will not find many incidents of registered muslim taxi drivers raping anyone.

Please stay safe and only use registered taxis as there are may non-muslims that would do you harm too.

And what's all this "white" girls stuff - no need to be racist please!

WOW - this guy Ewald Stadler has become my new HERO!! No PC bones in this guys body. Do let us hear more...

I quite enjoyed listening to Stadler give the Turks an ear full.

The Gates of Vienna redux: By way of contrast, has anyone here seen this video of Pat Condell on the state of Sweden, and its high incidence of Muslims raping and brutalizing non-Muslim Swedish women? And the government does nothing about it? It won’t identify the perpetrators and indulges in what Stadler calls “tolerance romantics.”

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2010/12/pat-condell-on-sweden.html

What a difference! But then the Turks invented racial and religious genocide in that part of the world, before WWI, with the rapes, murders, and brutalization of hundreds of thousands of Armenian Christians. When the army marched the Armenians through areas held by the Kurds, it looked on and let the Kurds take a whack at them, too. So, no sympathy for the Kurds, either. Turkey is a has-been Islamic cesspool trying to cash in on the dhimmitude of the West. Its culture is repellent and stagnant. It can only find “salvation” by becoming a virulent advocate of Islam. It wishes to join the European Union so it can help accelerate the Islamazation of Europe.

Roland: Remind me to boycott and discriminate against Muslim tax-drivers in America. That'll be me, standing on the curb, an unveiled blonde on one arm, a bottle of wine cradled in the other, with Mohammad the Mutt on a leash. Your creed is a magnet for passive psychopaths and haters of life. Have a pork rind on me. You don’t have to be a Turkish politician to indulge in the kind of babble or taqiyya Stadler inveighs against. Muslims have a problem “integrating” because they don’t want to be integrated. They want the benefits of freedom without the freedom, and expect Americans and Europeans to give up their freedom in the name of “tolerance.”

Wow! You go, Stadler!

cendrelle (above) said,
"Roland, I respect a Muslim's devotion to prayer"
I would advise against this feeling of "respect" for islamic prayer. The muslim "prayer" mechanism is a control ritual used to keep the umma in line. When one sees the muslim genuflecting with the asses in the air nine will get you ten they are "praying" for your destruction........do you ever hear an iman or other type agent lead the assembled in "prayer" aloud and extolling a peaceful message? No, and you won't. Just beware.

I would like to amend our Constitution so that after we convince MP Stadler to migrate to the U.S., we can run him for president. And to all of those MPs I saw applauding, I say that most of us would be pleased to have you here too.

Oh how I would love to see a U.S. senator or representative making such a statement as Mr. Stadler's, from the House or Senate podium, followed by such enthusiastic applause from his colleagues!

I hope that we hear more from Mr. Stadler.

Glad you laughed, Classicus. In the words of a seer of the great Baubo:

"Your vision will become clear only when you look into your heart . . .
Who looks outside, dreams. Who looks inside, awakens." - Carl Jung

If only would 1.2 billion of 'lost' humanity do the same.... awaken and laugh!
- LOL

This is something that Sam Harris warned about in The End of Liberalism:
"The same failure of liberalism is evident in Western Europe, where the dogma of multiculturalism has left a secular Europe very slow to address the looming problem of religious extremism among its immigrants. The people who speak most sensibly about the threat that Islam poses to Europe are actually fascists."

Quite right, Fanusi Khiyal, this is something that has 'awakened' the West of its Liberalism follies, which may be the beginning of the 'End of Liberalism'. Islamic religious extremism and regressive violence has challenged the Utopian ideals of Liberalism by showing they are on the wrong side of history, which for them is ideologically a mortal blow, since they thought themselves on the 'right' side of history. But Liberal-Utopianism cannot stand up to Islamic bullying without itself becoming Utopian-Fascism, so there is an unresolvable conundrum for modern Liberals. What to do? One way to deal with this is to go into cultural 'denial'; the other is to surrender to the more violent force in a kind of collective Stockholm Syndrome (which oddly it seems to be happening in Sweden). The only real way out for Liberals is to live up to the tradition of their monicker, and embrace true liberal values upheld by constitutional democratic principles protecting the rights of individuals, what are our natural human rights; and drop those foolish Utopian/Marxist cultural-romantic-tolerance fantasies. Time to get real with Islam.

Whether you realize it or not, you damned Ewald Stadler the way you wrote about him---nationalist, bitter, don't expect amymore from him, might pull a stunt like this everyday, etc., and I took issue with it. I found your comment very smirky. If you can't see this it only points to an example of one in denial.

"Perhaps it would be better not to refer to people who aren't moslem as infidels. Isn't that playing into the mahounds hand? An infidel is a person who does not believe in God."

I agree with you on this one. Christians are not infidels. I think the word "infidel" connotes hostility towards God (the Christian/Jewish God) and those that worship and believe in this God. For that reason, even people of other religions or no religion at all are not necessarily infidels because they are not hostile to Christians and Jews, their God, and their Judeo-Christian values.

But fanatical Muslims (though not all Muslims are fanatic) are the true infidels because of their demonic hostility towards Christians and Jews, and their demonic obsession to persecute and murder Christians and Jews.

Finally someone with the courage and guts to speak the truth. Collect this man's sperm and create a new race of truth-tellers - that in this day of supposed "freedom and democracy" is sadly missing among our leaders.

I encourage others who have been sitting on the fence to speak out.

What a great human being. I applaud him and hope the world will wake up to the importance of speaking the truth no matter what the consequences.

You can read here how Stadler defended an academic who it was alleged had circulated the blood libel against Jews (the lie that they engaged in ritual murder of Christian children).

http://www.axt.org.uk/antisem/countries/austria/austria.htm

His name pops up in lots of contexts that I think might surprise Robert and other democrats here.

Well it's hardly rocket science is it? All we - liberals, conservatives, greens, social democrats, in fact anyone committed to democratic values - is uphold them. Not give an inch to a totalitarian ideology.

Kudos to you, Wellington. Nothing makes it through your crap detector. Austria is admittedly a hotbed of Nazi-ism but Ewald is not among them.

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Well, in terms of What to do? battle my answer is to stress the secular and the internationalist elements. I routinely speak with Hindu and Christian immigrants who like Islam about as much as I do. Phyllis Chesler has recently written a very good piece stressing the need for solidarity with the besieged Hindus of the subcontinent. Geert Wilders is probably the man in the fight against Islam, and he has said that he wants no truck with the likes of Haider (with whom Stadler is closely associated).

"Muslims in the West are overdue for a dose of the same tolerance they give; i.e., zero."

That to me sounds reasonable in a worldwide context, and it is also what Stadler was talking about.

But Muslims + Muslim-defenders respond by denying unity among Muslims and hence responsibility of Muslims in the West for what other members of the Ummah worldwide do or do not do.

And second; Muslims and Muslim-defenders even seem to consider the choice for Islam by Muslims in the West as not a choice with responsibilities at all, but more something of a racial, tribal thing.

So I think we should evolve to hold Muslims in the West accountable for 1. their choice of faith, with all that it means, regardless if they know it or not. 2. their choice of allegiance. As a good start to dealing with Muslims in the West.

And their choice of faith at worst means they are loyal to enemies of the Democratic Nations and it's legal-governing system. Or they are loyal to a hopelessly vague, risky beliefsystem, far too vulnerable to misunderstanding and misuse, as it stands now.

Moreover, it seems to me that it is reasonable to see Muslims by default more loyal to the Ummah than to the Democratic countries they live in. Which means the burden of proof for the opposite is on them, not us anymore.

I love your post.

To me to we should be FOR some cause and not AGAINST Islam primarily. Hence for now I like us to be FOR worldwide freedom and all essential Democratic laws and values and them infidels in respect to that.

Let the Muslims be insufficiently: freedom-loving, democratic, pro human rights, pro golden rule. Which we are. So they are non-democracy-loyalists or something like that to me. We are FOR something they LACK in my view.

And we should let them worry about how to stop us, instead of us worrying how to stop them.

First, these people simply worship a false god. Allah (and I wouldn't have capitalized his name had it not been the first word in the sentence) is not God...the names are not interchangeable Call me narrow-minded if you want. Jesus, himself said the way is through the narrow door. These folks are simply barking up the wrong tree. Oh, and by the way...ask any muslim for the word equivalent to GRACE in islam...THERE ISN'T ONE. As a Christian, I bring nothing to my salvation except the sin which makes it necessary. I thank God for His Grace! JESUS PAID IT ALL!

Second, islam is a political, religious, and economic way of life. This isn't just a religion. This would certainly never be tolerated by the Christians, the Jews, the Budhists, the Hindus, nor do any of these groups try the things muslims do. Just look at the persecution today of Christians just for breathing, much less to try and get some parallel law to constitutional law imposed. Religion of peace...CRAP. Open any page of their "bible"...doesn't take long to see what they are all about. Plus, if Christians made all the the hoopla about "soiling" the Bible, you would see folks peeing on Bibles everyday just for the sh#ts and giggles of it. But everyone today is completely mortified of ripping up a Koran, or drawing a cartoon or not installing a prayer room somewhere. If someone were to burn some Bibles today, it wouldn't get 10 seconds of network news time.

Their "founder" floundered for converts when he started up this insane thinking, but after he introduced violence into the equation, he began to quickly take on supporters. Sober up...mosques are just outposts for the jihad...plain and simple.

Also, never forget: Smiling and telling you "we are a peaceful people" or any other mess such as that is just another plank of their platform...lieing (or doing anything else, for that matter) to advance the cause of islam. What else would you expect a heathen to do?

To the True and Living God, we have all come short of the glory of God...and there are Christians who do horrible and dispicable things. But the arrogance of these idol-worshipping people with their holier than thou attitude is utterly incomprehensible to me when they put their faith in a bunch of virgins. But believe me, I pray that these folks' hearts are changed, and God CAN do that...my disgust is not in their unbelief...it's their crap about convert or die, their deceit, their hatred for the Jews (which will NEVER go away and is shared by our chief executive, by the way), their treatment of women...should I keep going?

WAKE UP, AMERICA...as well as the world. Muslim ideology is world DOMINATION. And our president is sympathetic to this cult, and is going out of his way to use his power and influence to make islam palatable to all of us...and quite frankly, I'm not buying any of it.

May the God of all creation crush the islamic movement in this country, and make them a footstool to Him.

Call me what you will. But there will be a day where every knee WILL bow and every tongue WILL confess that Jesus is Lord and King.

How's that for ya?

I already was in favor of focusing on contents of what people were saying rather than the tone in which they were saying it.

And I for one like people first and foremost to focus on the message and not on the messenger.

As we democracy-loyal people, also can and will use these same standards regarding messages of Muslims and Islam-defenders in a fair way, as Robert Spencer always does ...
I think we can't afford to throw away valuable messages because of tone and the credentials of the messengers.

It is not so simple at all!

Stadler here operated in a fully democratic setting, he is subject to all fair scrutiny, as you yourself show. We who value and want to promote democratic values, can and should encourage messages like this, when the democratic process is in full swing.

Please compare real countries, real working democracies, with all their faults, ONLY with other real countries and how other countries really work,

Of course less idealistic than some kind of utopia you might envision.

To me, mankind is slowly, blundering at times, creeping upwards, fighting each step of the way. This was a great step in the right direction. We can even be glad it came from a totalitarian or former totalitarian.

People who really have all the essential Democratic values at heart can recognize differences in messages from the same people. But at the same time can't afford to pick and choose only what is coming from people totally without blame. While the enemy is bound by no such rules at all.

You are arguing from a luxury position we don't have. I think we should utilize all that Democratic rules and consciences legitimately permits us to use.

To me, mankind is slowly, blundering at times, creeping upwards, fighting each step of the way. This was a great step in the right direction. We can even be glad it came from a totalitarian or former totalitarian.

demsci, I agree with the general sentiment, but not the particular you are deriving it. How about this? We can say we absolutely agree with what he is saying, even if he has very questionable associations, and we hope that he will show that he has completely broken with those in defense of civilization?

Wess, blow it out your ear. If it weren't for Christianity, we wouldn't be fighting this mutant heresy now. And if Christianity could at least fight properly, we would have dealt with this a long, long time back.

Moreover, it seems to me that it is reasonable to see Muslims by default more loyal to the Ummah than to the Democratic countries they live in. Which means the burden of proof for the opposite is on them, not us anymore.

Reciprocity and equality. These are the two elements totally missing in the Islamic theo-political ideology universe, which is not surprising because these two did not exist in the 7th century; nor were they nurtured into any kind of evolved thinking over the next 1400 years of self-professed, self-serving, self-congratulatory Jihad, and self-ego-id of a bandit Warlord's lust for conquest and booty, especially women slaves, which marks the dismal history of Islam from its inception to the present. They never evolved concepts of "reciprocity and equality" because it was not "written" into their Koranic play book. Equality and reciprocity were never imagined by their Warlord founder's delusions of grandeur, to rule with his Allah as supreme master over all his 'submissive' slaves.

Speakers who are speaking out on the reality of Islam, such as Wilders, Stadler, Spencer, Geller, and others (don't know about Haider), are all stating the obvious, that we are no longer deceived by those Muslims who swear false loyalty to our Western democratic values of freedom. The Ummah can only be loyal to its primitive 7th century theo-political ideology, and never to "reciprocity and equality", since in their lexicon "Allah did not will it." ;-)

You nailed a bulls eye mate.

Here is a new debate for the forum....

Which is worse, brutal Muhammadans and their blood lust, or Jew victim poker players?.... Notoshariah I am looking at you.

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