In Human Events this morning, I discuss the growing claims that various accused jihadists were entrapped by the FBI, and ask what it would take for you to start killing for Allah:
What would it take for you to commit mass murder in the name of Allah? Would you do it for money? For love? Out of a sense of justice? Out of a sense of religious duty? Absurd as they may seem, these are serious questions, for as jihad mass-murder plots are being uncovered in the United States more frequently than ever, those accused of perpetrating them, and several Islamic groups, increasingly are charging entrapment: that overzealous FBI agents pushed poor innocent Muslims into taking part in a jihad plot that otherwise would never have existed.And so it was last Tuesday, when a 21-year-old convert to Islam, Antonio Martinez (who now calls himself Muhammad Hussain), faced a federal grand jury and was charged with attempted murder of members of the U.S. military (which he sees as an enemy of Islam), along with attempting to set off a weapon of mass destruction.
The newly minted Muhammad Hussain's defense attorney, Joseph Balter, declared that his client would "vigorously contest the charges," and was considering claiming entrapment. The same possibility has been raised in the case of Mohamed Mohamud, a Muslim in Portland, Ore., who tried to murder those who had gathered for the city's Christmas tree lighting ceremony.
Mohamud's case is strikingly similar to Hussain's, in that both involved Islamic jihadists' attempt to explode bombs that they did not know were harmless decoys supplied to them by FBI agents -- rather than the real thing.Islamic advocacy groups such as the Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) have also complained about law enforcement officials' use of informants inside mosques, claiming in some cases that the jihad plots thereby thwarted would never even have existed in the first place if undercover agents hadn't started meddling.
Yet charges of entrapment are silly responses for Muhammad Hussain, Mohamed Mohamud, or any Muslim caught in a jihad terror plot. For there is every indication that Hussain and Mohamud were more than willing to do whatever was necessary to enable them to murder large numbers of Americans. This was not something they needed to be enticed into doing.
Prosecutors in Hussain's case say he passed up several chances to back out, even after he got news about how Mohamud had been caught, and how those he had thought were fellow jihadists turned out to be FBI agents.
What's more, the very fact they went ahead with their plots ought to be sufficient indication in itself that there was no entrapment. Think about it: what would it take to lead you to participate in a terrorist mass-murder plot? If undercover agents approached you and tried to entice you into working to kill large numbers of innocent people, how hard would it be to convince you to do it?...
There is more.
Entrapment: legal opinion
'Government agents can only be proved to commit entrapment if they implant the idea to perform a crime in the mind of an innocent person. The entrapment defense is irrelevant if the agent merely created the opportunity to commit a crime; defendants claiming entrapment must prove they would have been unlikely to commit such a crime in the absence of an entrapment situation.'
http://www.criminal-law-lawyer-source.com/terms/entrapment.html
So, here is the chance to expose Al Qur'an as the 'agent provocateur'. The prosecution need only quote from the Qur'an and add the recorded comments from the accused which relate to these texts.
An open and shut case, your Honour. I rest my case.
The escape hatch, however, might be a plea of insanity. And how many times have we heard that one?
"If undercover agents approached you and tried to entice you into working to kill large numbers of innocent people, how hard would it be to convince you to do it?..."
Irrelevant, failing to inform the FBI or the police of an attempt to involve me in a Jihad-plot to kill constitutes complicity in the crime at the very least, impeding justice, failure to inform of crime - and I have no doubt a lawyer can find many more - and state them in Latin.
Most non-Muslims find it difficult to understand the utter ruthlessness of Islam, where anything is justified if it works to Islam's advantage.
http://newstime.co.nz/video-salafimedia-de-izharuddin-or-death-of-as-sunnat-ar-rasul-02.html
Most MUSLIMS do not have a clue
what a pedophile mass murderer
they "should" follow!!!
Ali Sina (ex-Muslim) “Gradual Absorption” Page 221 …Once people convert to Islam, they enter an underworld of illusions, ignorance and fear, where fantasy takes the form of reality and evil is perceived as divine.
Their values disintegrate and they act in ways they would have considered unbecoming and unacceptable prior to their Islamic indoctrination.
The more they act in this depraved way, the more hardened they become, to the extent that returning to the real, world becomes almost impossible.
Islam unfolds like a creeping paralysis, slowly corrupting minds and spirits, until it produces the best of all Muslims, the jihadi, commonly known as terrorists, the most beloved ones of Allâh and his prophet….
It wasn't the Feds who entrapped Martinez. If anything he was entrapped or ensnared by the Holy Koran into becoming a mass murdering jihadi warrior in the spittin image of the Prophet.
They even told him many children would likely die and he went ahead anyway. Fuck their entrapment claim, it's preposterous.
"The prosecution need only quote from the Qur'an"
“Qur’an… an accursed book… So long as there is this book there will be no peace in the world.”
—William Gladstone (1809-1898) British Prime Minister
I would go on Crusades against the jihadis. Is that the same thing?
"The newly minted Muhammad Hussain's defense attorney, Joseph Balter, declared that his client would "vigorously contest the charges," and was considering claiming entrapment"
Let him claim entrapment, I don't see that he has a case so...that is how the media will divert attention away from this attempted ISLAMIC genocide. Let him explain him self in court, on the record.
"Mohamud's case is strikingly similar to Hussain's, in that both involved Islamic jihadists' attempt to explode bombs that they did not know were harmless decoys supplied to them by FBI agents -- rather than the real thing"
They had a bomb.(Heh) They had detonators. THEY HAD A CHOICE. They CHOSE to detonate the bombs.
At the very least this is attempted mass murder/genocide.
Well, to be fair, it is the attorney's job to come up with a defense for his client...entrapment, insanity, etc.
I can only hope that the FBI crossed their T's and dotted their I's in their covert participation in these operations. I'm sure they considered the issue of entrapment surfacing and made certain not to cross that blurry line.
Muhammed says allah says when something has been stolen from you, go and steal it from another. Allah first conquers, plunders, and victimizes people, but then forgives and rewards them. Quran: "O Prophet! Say to those who are captives in your hands: 'If Allah findeth any good in your hearts, He will give you something better than what has been taken from you, and He will forgive you: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.'" (Surah 8:70) It is taught that allah will forgive and reward captive prisoners of war if they have good in their hearts ie. if they become Muslims and do onto others as it has been done unto them.
Yes, indeed. I must admit to being utterly gobsmacked by this cynical and meretricious 'defence' - there are no limits to how low muslims and their apologists will stoop, and I shouldn't have been surprised.
This creature's defence lawyer - Joseph Balter - 'vigorously contest the charges'. How these people can live with themselves I truly cannot comprehend, how can they attempt to defend the indefensible ? I'm just waiting for our own home-grown terrorists who have just been arrested for targeting Big Ben, Westminster Abbey etc, to attempt the same : 'it was the nasty CTU that put it into our heads, we'd never have thought of it if it hadn't been for them'... boo hoo boo hoo !
I don't expect logic from muslims, but presumably this creature's lawyer is a non-muslim, so should at least be able to comprehend the rudiments of logic. As Mr. Spencer cogently points out, '... the very fact they went ahead with their plots ought to be sufficient indication in itself that there was no entrapment.'
To paraphrase Mr Spencer : what WOULD it take to entice any decent human being to plot to kill large numbers of innocent people ? The answer to that of course, is that NO DECENT HUMAN BEING would contemplate such a thing.
And the riposte of CAIR is breathtaking in its ultimate obscenity : to first complain that law enforcement used informants inside mosques, and then in an unbelievable intellectual somersault ( whoops, forgot - intellectual/logic/ muslims, like mixing lemon juice and milk; the mixture curdles) state that (paraphrase) Jihad plots thwarted would never have existed if undercover agents hadn't started meddling - it just beggars belief. Do they really think we are that stupid ? I suppose they do, and I hope that will be their ultimate downfall.
Let's hope this little piece of shit gets life - at least in the USA his sojourn in prison will be long and unpleasant. In the dhimmified (almost) UK, if they're found guilty, they will serve their sentences in prisons where they will be supplied with halal foods, prayer mats, facilities to carry out their abominable devotions, the prison officers will be instructed to call them 'Mr,' they will have infinite opportunities for dawa or whatever it's called, and we will continue to pay through the nose in benefits for their families as well, who will of course never have had the slightest idea that their sons/brothers etc were engaged in plots to destroy and murder.
Goodness, that was a long post ! Sorry, but it got it off my chest !
No need to apologize. It was a very witty and outstanding post.
Half a dozen or so in recent memory, likely more!
"If undercover agents approached you and tried to entice you into working to kill large numbers of innocent people, how hard would it be to convince you to do it?"
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3019936/who_would_you_kiss_for_a_klondike_bar/
Thanks ! It's very difficult sometimes to keep up with discussion threads (is that the right term ?) As someone once said on this site, '...there's just so much shit out there, it can be impossible to keep up with it.' I sometimes comment on topics, and then haven't time to go back and see if anyone has replied. So I appreciate your reply, and apologize to anyone who replied to a comment of mine, and didn't get a reply - not bad manners or ignorance on my part, just lack of time; or different time zones ... !
Anyway, I'm glad you thought it was witty ( I wasn't trying to be actually, so that was an added bonus !) and I appreciate your response.
Spencer: What Would It Take For You To Go On Jihad?
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This actually is a good question. What *would* it take to get a decent, non-Jihad minded person to wage Jihad?
A gun to their head? A credible threat to murder their families? No amount of threat or coercion?
The answer cannot be "appearing to offer logistics, explosives, or links to high-profile Jihadist terrorist organizations", because no decent person would want such things in the first place.
And this is substantively different from law enforcement personnel appearing to offer drugs or sex or easy money or something similar—an acceptance of such things may indicate a certain amount of moral weakness, no doubt—but would not be indicative of the absolute evil of murdering innocent people.
In all the recent cases, FBI agents asked the would-be Jihadists pointedly if they realized their actions would result in the deaths of innocent people, especially children.
In all recent cases, the agents reported the would-be Jihadists being impatient with such questions, and eager to get to the slaughter.
At least two of the would-be Jihadists went so far *as to hit the detonator*. There is no doubt whatsoever that if they had had real explosives that they would have murdered masses of people.
Spencer: What Would It Take For You To Go On Jihad?
Ans. - A prefrontal lobotomy.
"Entrapment" defense? So CAIR now claims FBI, and not his newly found Islam, brainwashed this 21 year old to commit a terrorist act? Hysterical.
On a more serious note, I do believe that if they take away the reward of paradise, the jihadist acts will quickly love their appeal. It's hard to grasp, but they actually believe in that nonsense, you know about "72 virgins." Imagine the imams deleting that from their sermons.
Not to hard to see that the coming war is a war Vs. Islam.
Islam started the war years back, and as wikileaks stated concerning that Saudis are the ones giving money to Al-Qaida and other Islamic terrorist groups, and never forget what Iran is doing too, we can see that we are heading toward a new world wide war, where the enemy has already started that bloody war...All this Petrodollar thing is behind the rise of Islam over the world, as well as the Islamic terrorist groups.
When will our leaders gonna start taking constructive actions...?