How does the Islam of Muslims in America differ from that of Hafiz Sajid Anwar, such that they have no problem with secularism, i.e., the separation of religion and the state? Maybe Honest Ibe Hooper or the oily Feisal Abdul Rauf would be so kind as to explain. But I won't be holding my breath. "No room for secularism in Pakistan as Islam is its sole identity: Jama'at-e-Islami," from ANI, January 8:
Lahore, Jan 8: Islam is Pakistan's sole identity, and there is no room for secularism and its believers in this country, Jama'at-e-Islami deputy Secretary General Hafiz Sajid Anwar has said.Addressing the congregation at Mansoora mosque, Anwar said that a Muslim could not tolerate blasphemy of the Holy Prophet (PBUH), The Nation reports.
Even Pakistan's Interior Minister Rehman Malik had told media persons that if someone committed blasphemy in his presence, he would shoot him to death, he added.
Anwar exhorted the rulers to learn a lesson from Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer's assassination, as none of the official Khatibs and Imams was ready to lead his funeral prayer.
On Tuesday, Taseer was assassinated by Malik Mumtaz Hussain Qadri, one of his own elite security force protectors, who opened fire on him because of the governor's support for the release of Pakistani-Christian woman Asia Bibi, who has been sentenced to death on blasphemy charges.
There was consensus of the Ummah that blasphemy of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) was punishable by death, said Anwar, adding that Taseer publicly sympathised with the blasphemer woman, expressed full support to her and promised her clemency, and all this was unbecoming of his high office.
He said that Asia Bibi had been convicted by a law court and not by any mufti or cleric, and that Taseer had been issuing statements in violation of the country's constitution, the Quran and the Sunnah, which gave the impression of his anti-Islamic views and finally led to his assassination.
He also demanded the immediate release of the relatives of Mumtaz Qadri, the bodyguard who shot Taseer at least 17 times before surrendering.
Addressing another congregation at Syed Maudoodi Institute mosque, JI leader Hafiz Muhammad Idrees said that Taseer's murder should be an eye opener for the other rulers who were clamouring against the Blasphemy Law.
Referring to Malik's statement that he would shoot down a blasphemer, Idrees asked what crime Mumtaz Qadri had committed.
He advised the anti-Islam elements in the country to stop attacks on the religion, and study it thoroughly. The western powers could cow down the Muslim rulers but not the Muslim masses, he added.
There was consensus of the Ummah that blasphemy of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) was punishable by death, said Anwar
Huh? I thought killing in the name of islam was only advocated by a TMOE(TM).
How does the Islam of Muslims in America differ from that of Hafiz Sajid Anwar,
The only difference is distance, and separation by a few mountains and a body of water...otherwise they are identical...
"Islamic supremacist leader: Islam is Pakistan's sole identity, and there is no room for secularism"
Could read:
Islamic supremacist leader: Islam is any Muslim's sole identity, and there is no room for assimilation.
Islam is Pakistan's sole identity because Islamic separatism was the reason for which Pakistan was created from Indian land. If Pakistan stops being Islamic it can be reunited with India. They don't have a national, ethnic or cultural identity that is different from India except Islam and its influence. Urdu is also originally an Indian language influnced by Persian and Arabic due to Muslim invasions and conquests. The majority of Urdu speakers live in India.
"He said that Asia Bibi had been convicted by a law court and not by any mufti or cleric, and that Taseer had been issuing statements in violation of the country's constitution, the Quran and the Sunnah, which gave the impression of his anti-Islamic views and finally led to his assassination.
If ever I visit Pakistan I'll remember to wear my bullet-proof vest and tin-hat. Better still, I won't go. And I wish that lot wouldn't keep coming over here.
"Islamic supremacist leader: Islam is Pakistan's sole identity, and there is no room for secularism"
Correction-
"Pakistanies say: Islam is Pakistan's sole identity, and there is no room for secularism"
It is absurd that some people think there are moderate Pakisatanies. Can someone show any evidence of that? Clintons use to be in bed with Bhuto - who was as toxic MoSlum as it gets. I can send some links of her toxic speeches about the Master race MoSlums if anyone interested or has a doubt.
The guy who was shot dead, Tasser was a playboy islamist, but confused. He really didn't understand Islam, then it was too late. He had plenty of love-affairs with non-MoSlum women while he was married and had three children and one outside his marriage with an Indian journalist. My personal view is that he was lured (sexually) into Asia Bibi who is wrongly accused in the Pakistani prison. The reason I am saying it, there are plenty other women who are wrongly accused by the Pakisatani blasphemy law, he didn't interfere with their processes. There are plenty of other men who are accused in the similar fashion, he didn't help them.
IS ANY ONE IN WASHINGTON LISTENING TO THIS! He speaks the truth about the religion of PIECE(S)
Washington is sending more money.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/100881/us-to-boost-aid-to-pakistan-report/
Obama is increasing aid to Pakistan. Bush, the New England Yale frat boy turd turd, was little better.
Reading this post made me remember the First Lady Obama who visited Indonesia in November 2010 and did a big faux-pas: she shook the hand of the Indonesian politician Titaful Sembiring and big deal she forgot she was not supposed to do that!!!!
It is so ridiculous!
Dear President Obama,
I understand that you Americans are concerned about terrorism, as we are too here in Pakistan. Now, it is an unfortunate fact of life that many of our good friends are alienated and feel misunderstood, what with all the Islamophobia going around, so they may wind up joining the Jihad. In order to help prevent this, I'm afraid that we will need much more money. Would it possible to send another billion or so? If we don't get the cash soon, we could go radical Islam, and that would be very bad.
Your Paki Pal,
Honest Ahmed
For the benefit of persons reading this who may be new to the site, and to the subject, I shall re-post a Hugh Fitzgerald classic.
Read slowly and enjoy.
It builds up beautifully to its climax - the judgement of an old-fashioned scholar and Indophile, in one lapidary sentence, delivered upon Islamic Pakistan.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/07/blast-near-islamabads-red-mosque-kills-11.html#c428334
'I recently picked up at a book sale a copy of "The Miscellany," edited by P. Lal, and published in Calcutta. Issue #51 (June 1972), one of three devoted to the then recently-deceased, at age 41, of David McCutchion.
'An Englishman, David McCutchion was a lover of India,
'not of the william-dalrympish sort, that is the kind who loves the luxe of the Moghul court and its love intrigues, nor the kind of Englishman (also william-dalrympish) of the walking-across-half-a-continent-when-young sort, making use of local color of the human interest kind, often grizzled or wizened or wizenedly grizzled picturesque Muslims, to do the work for him (downmarket Byrons and Newbys, not to menton the now-unfashionable, because bookish, traveller Gide in "Le Retour du Tchad"),
'but a true scholar, an Indophile who studied brick temples in Bengal, and Indian writing, was a friend of Satyajit Ray and all sorts of interesting people in Calcutta who never get the attention in the West that all those anti-Western islamisant arundhati-roys manage to get.
' I read through The Miscellany #52 – and discovered a tribute from the Sanskrit (and Buddhism) scholar Richard Gombrich (son of E. H.),
'who opened his essay, titled “His Work Is Unrepeatable,” with this:
“The recent death of Mr. David McCutchion in Calcutta at the age of 41 is a catastrophe for oriental studies.”
'Gombrich describes McCutchion as a scholar who “devoted all his time, his money, and his exceptional energy and enthusiasm, to the study of arts and monuments which are fast disappearing.
"He tramped all over Bengal, both West and East, taking notes and photographs; his knowledge of the countryside was famous.
"A self-taught photographer, he spared no pains to take the perfect shot; and he leaves well over ten thousand colour slides and as many black and white photographs of high professional quality…..
"His greatest specialities were Bengali temple architecture and terra-cotta sculpture, the latter a lost skill of whose monuments little is known to the wider world; he also studied and collected Bengali scroll paintings.
"He explored many other parts of India too, and recorded even Gupta temples previously unknown.”
And a little more, taken from a website:
“David McCutchion (1930-1972), English-born scholar, Indophile and early critic of Raja Rao, was an authentic pioneer: in his short lifetime...made a major contribution to the study of Bengali temples...
"one of the first scholars to write on the now much commented subject of Indian Writing in English....
"Born in Coventry, David attended that city's King Henry VIII Grammar School. He made it to Cambridge University the hard way, on intellectual merit alone. He read Modern Languages (French and German) at Jesus College.
"After graduating in 1953, he taught English for two years in southern France.
"He went to India in 1957. He worked there first as an English teacher...and later, as Professor and then Reader in Comparative Literature at Jadavpur University, Calcutta.... David's ground-breaking study of Bengali brick temples, The Temples of Bankura District, was published by Writers Workshop in 1972.”
' David McCutchion lived through the war made by West Pakistan (now Pakistan) on East Pakistan, now Bangladesh, in 1970-71,
'a war in which Muslim fanatics in East Pakistan, locally called razakars, joined forces with the raping and murdering army of West Pakistan, accepting the argument that what was good for Pakistan – that is, staying one country – was necessarily good for Islam, and what was good for Islam was all that mattered.
'Here is how, in a letter from England to a friend, McCutchion described the behavior of Pakistan:
“…We are raising funds {for those in what was then East Pakistan being murdered by the army of West Pakistan and its local, fervently Muslim East Pakistani collaborators], and hope to see the Minister of Overseas Development.
"What do I think of it all?
"Appalling…
"Pakistan should never have existed – it has cost more lives than the whole of the British Empire in 200 years.
" What should I think of a culture that burns down the British Council library in Lahore because an English publisher printed a picture of Mahomet?
"Fanaticism plus Machiavellianism plus brutality equals Islamic Pakistan.”
'One More Time:
"What do I think of it all? Appalling...Pakistan should never have existed -- it has cost more lives than the whole of the British Empire in 200 years. What should I think of a culture that burns down the British Council library in Lahore because an English publisher printed a picture of Mahomet?
"Fanaticism plus Machiavellianism plus brutality equals Islamic Pakistan."
'Print out that last bit, and put it on your refrigerator, under the title: Pakistan.'
- Posted by: Hugh at July 27, 2007 2:18 PM.
And remember: David McCutcheon's inimitable definition and rightly-contemptuous dismissal of Islamic Pakistan - that it comprised 'Fanaticism plus Machiavellianism plus brutality" - was written in 1971 or 1972; five years **before** General Zia ul-Haq overthrew the 'civilian' government of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.
I am beginning to think their is no one left in Pakistan who isn't extremist these days. Imran Khan famous cricketer wrote an article on the Guardian today blaming the US and Liberal Muslims for all Pakistan's problems.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jan/09/pakistan-implode-america-leave-afghanistan?showallcomments=true#end-of-comments
And his own Political Party is in strong support of harsh sharia death penalty laws against Blasphemers.
http://www.insaf.pk/Forum/tabid/53/forumid/1/tpage/1/view/topic/postid/98014/Default.aspx#98014
"Salman Taseer murder sparks fear and loathing in Pakistan"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8247920/Salman-Taseer-murder-sparks-fear-and-loathing-in-Pakistan.html
Pakistan's Interior Minister Rehman Malik proves what we knew all along: Pakistan is an open sewer that should be put in quarantine.
Did you read the comments section ? It's a little bit cheering to see that even a lot of the notoriously PC/MC Grauniad readers are beginning to see the holes in the 'it's all Americas' and the Wests' fault' excuses. Maybe the tide is beginning to turn, little by little ?
This is our partner against the Taliban.Guess who is going to get screwed when the push comes to shove? We will be out of billions of dollars , have increased our dept, lost lives , equipment , time ,etc.
We should have put ourselves red once and not blush for a thousand times. We must carpet bomb these two countries or the Islam will use nukes against us. That is a simple as it get , either we declare the war on Islam and wipe them out, or they will eventually do it to us. maybe not our generation , but our children and grandchildren will see this and then will recriminate us for not standing to defend the well being.
"Islamists Rally for Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws"
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704482704576071701535155530.html?mod=googlenews_wsj