"Many in Saddam's Iraq will want his secular regime to be succeeded by one that more or less conforms to the dictates of Islamic Shariah law....Certainly [Bush] will find proponents of democracy in Iraq and elsewhere. But the primary opponents of these democrats will not be terrorists, but those who hold that no government has any legitimacy unless it obeys the Shariah." -- Robert Spencer, April 1, 2003
"Baghdad Raids on Alcohol Sellers Stir Fears," by John Leland in the New York Times, January 15 (thanks to Bill):
BAGHDAD -- Eight men carrying handguns and steel pipes raided a Christian nongovernmental organization here on Thursday night, grabbing computers, cellphones and documents, and threatening the people inside, according to members of the group."They came in and said, 'You are criminals. This is not your country. Leave immediately,' " said Sharif Aso, a board member of the organization, the Ashurbanipal Cultural Association. "They said, 'This is an Islamic state.' "
The intruders wore civilian clothes, said Mr. Aso and others at the organization, but their arrival was preceded by three police vehicles that blocked off the street. He said the men stole his ring and bashed him on the leg with a pistol.
Ashurbanipal, named for an Assyrian king, primarily publishes writings in the Assyrian language, but it also runs a private club that serves alcohol, which appeared to be the reason for Thursday's raid. The intruders smashed liquor bottles and a glass refrigerator case before throwing a gas canister through the window of a car belonging to a member of the group.
The episode is the latest in a recent flurry of attacks on those who sell alcohol in Baghdad. On Wednesday, two shop owners said they were raided in similar fashion, also by men dressed as civilians working with the police. The crackdown has stirred fears among some here of an accelerated movement toward strict Islamic law, especially since the return to Iraq of Moktada al-Sadr, the fiery anti-American cleric, a week ago.
In November, Baghdad's provincial government invoked a 1996 Saddam Hussein-era resolution to ban the sale of alcohol, using it to close bars and nightclubs even though the resolution has not been ratified by Parliament.
A police major said the men who raided the club were employees of the provincial government. But the leader of the provincial government said they were police officers in civilian clothes.
"We are a Muslim country, and everyone must respect that," said Kamil al-Zaidi, the chairman of the Baghdad Provincial Council.
Because nearly all alcohol sellers in Iraq are Christians, the campaign against alcohol overlaps eerily with recent attacks on Christians, including an attack at a church in October that left nearly 60 people dead. Alcohol, some say, is just an excuse.
"If a Christian sells flowers, they kill him," said Ameen Chamo, who said a raid on his store on Wednesday inflicted $70,000 in damages. "If he sells a goose, they kill him. It makes no difference." [...]
"We will leave," said Mr. Chamo, who said that his shop had stopped selling alcohol since Nov. 25, when he received a letter from the Baghdad Provincial Council ordering him to do so. "The Americans are not protecting us."
He added, "We want the Americans to tell Maliki to stop this," referring to the prime minister, Nuri Kamal al-Maliki.
Badal Ilyas, a store owner who said his shop was raided and destroyed on Wednesday, was adamant about staying. "This is my country," he said. "I was bringing democracy to Baghdad."
But he said the raids had been a frightening reminder of the recent past, when Islamist militias terrorized anyone diverging from strict Islamic law.
"Before, the government fought the militias," Mr. Ilyas said. "Now, they're operating with the cooperation of the government."
Yep, it's a Mahoundian country...Did anyone ever suspect otherwise? Bush should have won the war when he won it, and then got out...Staying for years trying to force democracy on people who don't want it, was a huge and costly mistake...We can see how well that plan is working...America is going to leave Iraq in worse condition than when it was invaded...
There is no one to protect Christians or other kufr...Obama is not going to take on Sadrs army to save a few Christians...
Christians should just get out when they can or go deep undercover as Christians...It's unfair but it's better than continued abuse and eventually death...
""Many in Saddam's Iraq will want his secular regime to be succeeded by one that more or less conforms to the dictates of Islamic Shariah law....Certainly [Bush] will find proponents of democracy in Iraq and elsewhere. But the primary opponents of these democrats will not be terrorists, but those who hold that no government has any legitimacy unless it obeys the Shariah." -- Robert Spencer, April 1, 2003 "
No one in the government listened then and no one in todays government is listening...fools destined to become either dhimmi or dead...
What is America's excuse for NOT protecting minorities in Iraq? For God's sake, they can't claim to bringing democracy to the region and at the same time fail to even open their mouths in defence of persecuted minorities, particularly when those minorities have a longer history in the region that the oppressing majority!
What exactly is America's problem here!!?? Defend the minorities as your constitution says you must!
And to add...
The USA failed to defend the Jews in World War II and as a result the Jews were almost wiped out from Europe. The US seems not to have learned the lesson, only this the Christians of the ME will be wipe out.
Chandler, Arizona: On Saturday, January 15, 2011, I attended the annual "Multicultural Festival" which was located on public property outside of the main branch of the Chandler Public Library. In addition to food, music, and booths devoted to various ethnic groups in the city, there were two separately located booths manned by delegates from moslem groups, with signs offering korans for anyone willing to take one. They did not indicate exactly where they were from, though there is a recently opened mosk not far from the festivities over near Erie Street. As I walked through the festival, I noted that there were no Christian churches or Jewish synagogues represented at the festival. Is this not a violation of the separation of church and state? Is the moslem faith a religion or a culture? Has anyone run into a similar situation?
you won't find that under liberal govt. sorry. We the defenders of tolerance must also know when it is worth pushing the govt to take action or as a last resort fight for freedom.
Ok. So the UK, the US and most of Europe and Australasia are Christian. So why don't we say that any Muslims disobeying OUR laws should similarly be pressured into leaving. We won't use guns or steal initially although reciprocity says we should. (oops forgot. The UK and Europe would need to ditch the Human Rights Laws first or suffer a popular revolution to achieve that).
What about a deal? We allow the relocation of all Christians. and other non Muslim faiths from Islamic States but they, in turn, must accept 10 Muslims for every Christian or Jew or Hindu or Buddhist etc relocated to the West
Sadly the Germans used a similar sort of strategy and the world said how inhumane and uncivilised this was. Of course in those days the totally uncivilised actions of Islamic states were largely unknown - except by the likes of Winston Churchill.
While we are at it then why not stop the building of mosques until SA allows the building of churches, synagogues and temples? AND, for every destroyed Church etc in Islamic lands we destroy 10 mosques?
Time for hardball methinks. They don't understand anything else.
Finally to those Muslims residing in the West who constantly whine about the West "occupying our lands". Simple mate - the exit is over there because these are OUR lands and you are no longer welcome so P*** off.
I am normally not physically aggressive but my patience is wearing exceedingly thin.
Problem with your suggestion, Bewick.
As Christians, a lot of us take rather seriously the commandment "Thou shalt not steal". The parable of the Good Samaritan reminds us that "our neighbor", whom we are to love as ourselves, may be an outsider. Hence, paying the Muslims back in their own coin is not likely to bring God's blessing.
The task before us is exactly what Mr. Spencer is doing: educate the public, expose the vileness in Islam, and encourage apostasy from it.
Of course. And Robert Spencer is right. Problem with that is that the MSM and Governments worldwide suppress the truth and even prosecute people who say it. In short only a tiny part of the world population even knows what is going on. Many are too interested in the lives of celebs, and the latest soap plot or latest iphone , to even bother. Muslims in Islamist states are more concerned with getting enough food and not offending their extremist slave masters. Of course most cannot even read any language let alone Arabic.
As a Christian I stopped attending Church formally because I suddenly became appalled at how many regular attenders were total hypocrites who only attended for appearance sake. Their common lives tended to break most of the 10 commandments.
I cannot pretend that I have followed to the letter the 10 commandments. I think I can count on one hand those I know, and have known, who have. Most are now dead.
You want a theological argument? Well I do not for one minute believe that MY God intended that I should sit passively while the evil forces of Satan sought to slaughter me. I rather think that he would suspend "turn the other cheek" and allow me to defend myself. I would hope so.
Steal? Well I never said I would. I just referred to what Muslims regard as their right in reference to we infidels.
If theft is your only concern then I'm astounded. Theft is bad but murder is worse. Muslims are happy with murder, and theft, and rape and much else.
Sharia in, Civilization out.
Works every time.
What about the rights of indigenous people?
Here are Muslims - proudly claiming to be Arabs (even if, were one to look at their dna, one might find telltale signatures showing that they are descended from indigenous Mesopotamian peoples who had been forcibly ARabised and Islamised, so ferociously so that they now think they are Arab Muslims, 'the best of peoples', and mercilessly persecute those of their own genetic kin who have obstinately refused to embrace Islam, the Arab imperial Religion) - attacking the *indigenous, Aboriginal, First Nations people of Mesopotamia, the Assyrian Christians.
They are telling those indigenous people, forsooth, that they must leave, because "this is not your country".
It is what Islam tells *the whole world*.
One day, if they are not stopped, Muslim jihadists will be telling non-Muslim Cherokee, or non-Muslim Arrernte tribespeople: "you are criminals, this is not your country".
Because Muslims think that allah said that *the entire planet* belongs to Muslims (and, therefore, when it comes down to it, to Muslim Arab despots) to rule and ruin as they please; to gobble up, and then spit out the bones, leaving only ruin and ash, desolation and delusion.
See Patrick Sookhdeo's "Power, Faith and Territory" for a detailed analysis of Islam as what Hugh Fitzgerald used to call "a geopolitical cult". It's all about seizing booty and territory: a massive grab for power and land, refusing to stop at anything short of Total Domination of psychological and physical space, and total enslavement or annihilation of anyone who refuses to join the Mohammedan Mob.
Here is a story from 2006, in Australia.
Sydney Morning Herald reporter, Paul Sheehan, writes about the Islamisation of Sydney's southern and western suburbs, as Muslim 'immigrants' and 'asylum seekers' and 'refugees' move in and use all kinds of underhanded tactics - though not yet as blatantly violent as in Iraq - to shove out the non-Muslim locals.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/paul-sheehan/ideals-become-casualties-of-war/2006/08/13/1155407666922.html
'A minority causes collateral damage to the way we live, writes Paul Sheehan.'
This is how the article begins.
"One of the edges of the global clash between Muslims and the rest {trans: the global assault that the Mohammedan Mob has launched upon everybody else on the planet - dda} is a bottle shop in a small and ratty shopping mall in western Sydney.
"The owner of the bottle shop is suffering low-level but steady harassment from his neighbours, who want him gone.
'He's a Christian who has been told repeatedly: "This is a Muslim area," and he is selling alcohol, which is proscribed by Islam.
{**Just like in Iraq, in the posted article, except that the Muslims are not waving guns and helping themselves to the contents of his till and smashing bottles...yet. There *have* been armed robberies, by Muslim gangs, upon pubs and bottle shops in many parts of Sydney in the last few years, though. These have been seen as ordinary crime...but it seems to me, in the light of events in other parts of the world, such as Iraq, that they should perhaps be regarded as Jihad: imposing sharia by driving out those who sell alcohol - dda}.
"The one-hour parking zone outside the bottle shop is always occupied because local Muslims leave their cars there all day.
"The owner has written to the local council to complain, and nothing has been done.
"**He does not want to be identified because he fears retribution** {my emphasis - dda}. His reaction is sensible.
(By the way, later in the article, Paul Sheehan notes that "the harassed operator of the bottle shop...is an Arab Christian" - dda).
"A friend of mine, Jenny D, used to live in Lakemba.
"**She began receiving insults from people in the street, usually Muslim women wearing headscarves, and sometimes Muslim men. If she wore a short skirt, she could expect abuse or comment. She left Lakemba.** {my emphasis - see the pattern? Muslims drive out non-Muslims by continual ugly bullying - dda}.
" Soon after, I moved to America, stayed away for 10 years, and thought nothing more of her story.
"**But after I came back to Sydney I found Jenny's experience had been part of a larger pattern.** {my emphasis - dda}.
"One particularly strong witness to this pattern was Judith, who managed an agency helping war widows, because s**he encountered "dozens" of cases where people were harassed by Muslim neighbours who wanted them gone** {my emphasis - dda}.
"It was common," she told me. "A lot of these ladies couldn't take it and moved out. It happened in Campsie, Belmore, Lakemba, Bankstown, Punchbowl ...
"It was everything ... throwing rubbish over the fence, screaming abuse, blocking the driveway, knocking fences down. One guy would throw coffee grains on the windows and bottles on the roof late at night ... I confronted some of them, and the men would call me a lot of names, mostly in Arabic."...
And Sheehan had enough commonsense to write:
"The open contempt some Muslims have for non-Muslims is a common thread throughout the world where Muslims communities rub against the kafirs, or non-believers."
Why can't the U.S. stop all Muslim immigration and instead bring in these persecuted Christians from the Middle East. They know Arabic and they know about the Islamic religion from bitter first hand experience and they will make better and honest interpreters and advisors for the military and police.
I came across these article on how to select immigrants into Australia by an immigrant himself. The criteria he proposes is applicable the U.S and any Western country.
http://www.quadrant.org.au/magazine/issue/2011/1/how-to-choose-better-immigrants
Our troops died (killed, picked off, and weakened by the global jihad) to put Islamic democracy with an Islamic Constitution in place so that the majority Muslim population could simply vote in Sharia law. It was, and is, a distraction from the rest of the global jihad.
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Louv,
Debar-talk.
Dumbledore's Army wrote, citing an article from Sydney:
"The owner of the bottle shop is suffering low-level but steady harassment from his neighbours, who want him gone.
'He's a Christian who has been told repeatedly: "This is a Muslim area," and he is selling alcohol, which is proscribed by Islam.
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Here is an even more extreme case, from Oakland, California from 2005:
"A dozen Black men* broke bottles of liquor and smashed cooler doors at the San Pablo Liquor store. Then they filed out, went to the New York Market and did the same thing. The disciplined squad, dressed in crisp white shirts and black suits and ties, told the store owners to stop selling alcohol to African-Americans."
*The salient point is not that they were "black men", but that they were *Muslims*—specifically, members of the now-defunct Your Black Muslim Bakery.
The Black Muslims also threatened the liquor store owners because they were *Muslims selling alcohol*. (for some inexplicable reason, at this point most liquor store owners in the East Bay are Yemeni immigrants)
There is also a possibility that the Black Muslims hoped to sell the liquor store owners "protection"—that would hardly have been out of line with their history.
http://www.orpn.org/Muslim1.htm
Insanely, many people—even a number of city officials!—sided with the Black Muslim thugs, because liquor stores sometimes draw a rough crowd (true) and seldom sell much fresh produce.
Not long after this, Your Black Muslim Bakery assassinated local investigative journalist Chauncey Bailey, and was revealed as having been run as a criminal enterprise for many years—complete with murders, kidnappings, torture, theft, tax evasion, selling "protection", and much more. They rather lost their "cred" at that point.