Common sense against the "Islamophobia" propaganda. "Anti-Christian crimes downplayed," by Steve Huntley in the Chicago Sun-Times, January 6:
We've heard outlandish allegations of Islamophobia sweeping America. Not getting nearly as much attention is the bloody persecution of Christians in parts of the Muslim world.Every report of an Islamist terrorist plot is accompanied by a chorus of warnings against Americans hating or attacking Muslim Americans. Yet, that much-ballyhooed bigotry almost never seems to arise. The latest FBI hate crime statistics, for 2009, found that 8.4 percent of the 1,575 victims of anti-religious crimes were attacked because of anti-Islamic bias. In contrast, 71.9 percent of the victims were Jews.
No doubt acts of intolerance against Muslims can be found, and they should be condemned. But Muslims aren't fleeing America in fear of their lives like Christians are leaving some Islamic nations.
Open Doors, an organization supporting persecuted Christian churches, asserts 100 million Christians worldwide are targeted for their faith. It found that eight of the top 10 countries that are the most dangerous for Christians to practice their religion are nations with Islamic majorities, including Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia and Yemen. Topping the list was communist North Korea.
New on this year's Open Doors list is Iraq, to the shame of that nation's new leadership and of its biggest backer, the United States. More than half of Iraq's Christian population, numbering 800,000 to 1.4 million before the 2003 U.S. invasion, have fled the country, according to the New York Times....
Non-muslim persecution is the keystone of islam. Only the profoundly ignorant would be surprised by this report.
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Check out this PC article in the LA Times in which the author blandly refers to "the Prophet Muhammad." Just total unquestioning acceptance of that lie and the lie that Gabriel recited the Koran to the bellicose Warlord.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-beliefs-desert-20110108,0,2708832.story
I'm surprised there are not more assaults on Mahoundians in the US...I don't advocate that method, but I know there are lots of wild hairs in America who assault people as a hobby.
Gangsters could assault Mahoundians, but they are too busy assaulting each other over drugs and turf...Skinheads could do it, but they are too busy assaulting blacks and Jews...
Amero-Nazi's could do it, but Blacks and Jews are also their targets...Anarchists could do it, but their goals are to show up and fight with police...There is just no organized efforts at all, what there has been is done by a few freelancers...American Mahoundians might have some legitimate complaints if one or more of the above groups focused on them...
But Islam has no freelancers...Sudden Jihad Syndromists, are not acting alone, Allah is with them, and they are acting in compliance with what is expected of every pious Mahoundian, as clearly stated by the Quran, the examples of Mahound, and years of listening to an Imam spouting jihad...
Treat all Muslims in non-Muslim countries the same way as Muslim countries treat non-Muslims. Tit for tat!! What is good for the gander..!!
As long as Muslims don't get the taste of what they do to non-Muslims in their countries they are not going to change their barbaric behavior - maybe not even then!! But we have to do it to get anywhere with them. To hell with the political correctness that has become hall mark of western societies, time has come to dump PC and give Muslims the taste of their own medicine.
Well this, it seems, is at least a step in the right direction: Egypt's Muslims attend Coptic Christmas mass, serving as "human shields"
The Muslim cult of death will never flee the u.s.. They intend to to take over the U.S. just as they mean to take over the rest of the world, in the name of Allah, as taught by their brainwashing clerics. Already thousands of Swedes have fled their homeland because of this vile cult. This is the result of tolerance. Islam feeds and flourishes on tolerance. To tolerate Islam is to welcome extinction.
dear jaladhi,
you write, "Treat all Muslims in non-Muslim countries the same way as Muslim countries treat non-Muslims. Tit for tat!! "
this is an excellent advise that should have been followed some 30+ years ago. i.e. an immediate strike to any muslime bullshit that acts 'tough' knowing full well that he is protected by the laws of the western country.
i am afraid that it is a little late for that..
i FIRMLY believe that we must act with total DISPROPORTIONATE punishments for present **as well** as past deeds (lord knows there were way too many to count)so as to ensure no future 'deeds' will ever occur by any missunderstander of islam....
like you, i say 'to hell with p.c.'...
since today, telling the truth has become a hate speech, we have obviously all metamorphosed into hatemongers...
so be it!
i could not care less what i am being called.
it is high time we turn the tables of the slime, and permanently place the boot on their necks...
we have wasted too much time lost countless lives and hard earned money by trying to 'accomodate' those whose sole intent is to subjugate us.
i am saying what i am saying not in a foaming-at-the-mouth rant but in a totally dispassionate analytical tone where i am describing what i think to be a pragmatic and realistic approach to get out of this calamity that has befallen us.
"Among those shields were movie stars Adel Imam and Yousra, popular preacher Amr Khaled, the two sons of President Hosni Mubarak, and thousands of citizens who have said they consider the attack one on Egypt as a whole."
I'm shocked Adel Imam is still alive, though he's not that old really, but it's been ages since we used to have an Arabic film, usually Egyptian, on national TV every friday afternoon. He's a comedian, used to be my favorite actor in these movies. He'd probably be shocked and profoundly dismayed had he known his films were broadcasted on Israeli TV and entertained the diabolic Zionists among others. But it's nice to see so many Muslims turned out to defend the copts. At least the government is doing something, unlike other governments or places where it actually comes from the government.
Jaladhi and captain nemo,
So what do you propose to do? Start randomly killing Muslims and bombing mosques in the west? It's immoral and also isn't going to help anyone.
It's immoral because even if Islam itself is the source cause not all Muslims act the same or even feel the same. Do you know there are Muslims in the Israeli Defence Forces that have been loyal to Israel since before its foundation? Muslims who wanted and still want a democracy and joined the Jews against the Nazi Mufti and his people and fought with us when the Arab states attacked? You may consider it un-Islamic according to Muslim scriptures, but the fact is that there are Muslims like that, so if you're going to treat Muslims in the west with random violence you're going to hurt innocent people. I have to stand up for these innocent people since Muslims like that also shed their blood to defend my life and not just themselves.
It will not achieve anything either because you're just going to create an equivalence to which the appologists are going to point whenever someone criticize Islam: "See? We have extremists and murderers too!".
The only way to go about these things is to pressure your governments to take care of the problems and do the people's will. Organize huge demonstrations demanding to intervene on behalf of the Christians, also in front of the Muslim countries' embassies, organize campaigns of writing letters to congressmen, the president, politicians and newspapers and so on. Don't stoop to their level.
dear d&g,
you ask "So what do you propose to do? Start randomly killing Muslims and bombing mosques in the west? It's immoral and also isn't going to help anyone."
no disrespect, but where did you get the idea that we should start randomly killing muslims?
what i am saying, is that it is time that we stop pussyfooting with these murderes and potential (**highly potential** murderers).
if we DO know that mosques are a hub for 'islamism/terrorism/preaching of hatered etc please explain to me (i really mean it, and i am not sarcastic) why should we wait fro the disaster to occur rather than prevent it?
if you have a decayed tooth do you prefer to wait for the decay to reach the nerve so THEN you know that the only course of action (which could have been prevented!!!)would be to have a root canal treatment or extraction???
i do not get it!
like you, i have known muslims that show a very kind and hospitable attitude and i have no problem with them as far as i am concerned they do not bother me, and i definitely will not bother them...
but PLEASE do not insult my intelligence and tell me that we have to be tolerant to those crazy wild eyed mobs demonstrating with impunity in the west (free speech, you know...)
THESE are the ones that without any hesitation must be put on the first plane back to whatever hellhole they so much crave.
your serve.
"no disrespect, but where did you get the idea that we should start randomly killing muslims?"
From Jaladhi (with which you agreed): "Treat all Muslims in non-Muslim countries the same way as Muslim countries treat non-Muslims. Tit for tat!!"
We know how non-Muslims are treated in Muslim countries, which too often include killing.
"but PLEASE do not insult my intelligence and tell me that we have to be tolerant to those crazy wild eyed mobs demonstrating with impunity in the west (free speech, you know...)"
I'm not. First you need to stop Muslim mass immigration. Then every mosque and Islamic school proven to be preaching radical stuff, hatered or the overthrow of the current western system to replace it with Islamic rule should be closed down. The radical preachers and people involved in terrorism should be deported. For all that to happen you need a political change. Another thing that should happen is for the media, the intelligentsia and the culture at large to criticize Islam and Muslim behavior in the west and abroad to create pressure on the Muslims in the west to distance themselves from unwanted behavior and come out against it.
BTW, none of those things is happening in Israel where the threat is far more imminent since we are surrounded by Muslim majority countries where anti-Israel, anti-Jewish and Nazi propaganda is widely disseminated in the media, mosques and education system, and have a larger Muslim minority percentage-wise (16%) than any western country that is influenced by this kind of incitement from both outside and inside Israel.
But the greatest problem facing the west is the leftist paradigm and dogmas without which you wouldn't have Muslim mass immigration and wouldn't be paralyzed in dealing with the problems. The west is still much stronger than the Muslim world and with the right leadership and sane and honest cultural elites many catastrophes could be averted. Instead the west allows the Muslim powers to get stronger, will sacrifice several non-Muslim countries and their citizens to Moloch, drag itself into internal civil strife and possibly a long cold war or a world war.
The main battle therefore is indeed on the hearts and minds - of westerners. We need to overthrow the leftist monopoly on education and the MSM and pressure the government. An alternative is required in both the leadership level and the intellectual and cultural level, and a campaign to push this alternative to the front of public awareness in spite of the leftists.
That should include working in campuses as well. It's not just a matter of Islam, but we need to offer criticism, opposition and alternatives to the Socialist/neo-Marxist ideology with which the students are indoctrinated. In this ideology the evil capitalists have been replaced with the evil American empire and diabolical Zionists, the oppressed proletariat has been replaced with the third world, and the Islamic revolution is hence misinterpreted as a socialist revolution, an uprise of the oppressed proletariat/third world against the capitalist/evil American empire/the rich west - the Have Nots vs. the Haves. They are also educated to see their own culture and/or the diabolical Zionists as the source of all evil and their government as the greatest threat to their lives and freedoms, unless, of course, it'll be replaced with a just socialist government, preferably lead by their professors. So any measure the government might take to combat terrorism and Islamism will be seen as forcing fascism on the people using the excuse of a non-existent Islamist threat.
As long as the leftists have a monopoly on the information professions which they use to indoctrinate the next generations of teachers, journalists and leaders, and to distribute propaganda in the media in the guise of reporting the news, things are going to be far more difficult.
In any case vigilante attacks on mosques or Muslim individuals is both immoral and counter-productive. How do you expect to persuade a large portion of the public that there is a problem if all they will see is violence committed against Muslims or Islamic centers? You need arguments and ways to bring them before the public and not violence. The goal should be adopting rational policies and not descending into barbarism.
DandG: >"So what do you propose to do? Start randomly killing Muslims and bombing mosques in the west? It's immoral and also isn't going to help anyone."
Where do you get this abhorrent idea??? Please show me where I have said it in my post???? Your comments about random violence on Muslims do not make any sense since nobody has proposed that!!!
Before we stoop to this low level of barbarism, we can do many things that will force Muslims to think what they are doing to non-Muslims in their countries is wrong and immoral. However their definition of right and wrong, good and evil and morality are exactly opposite to that of human beings!!!!
For starters we have to stop all Muslim immigration to non-Muslim countries. As Muslims do not allow building of temples, churches and synagogues in their countries - Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan, etc, - we should ban building of all mosques here. They have already built thousands of mosques in the West. Let's see if we can get a temple or a church built in Mecca!!! This "sufi" imam Rauf wants to build a mosque on Ground Zero to start an interfaith dialogue in spite of overwhelming opposition to this mosque but is he listening - what kind of interfaith dialogue can be done after building the mosque when Rauf can't have dailogue with the people who oppose it now. By the same token we can also build a church in Mecca for starting a dialogue.
Let's see if Saudi Arabia agrees to it!!! They don't allow anybody bringing any religious books besides Islamic booksin to Saudia. Minorities in most of the Muslim nations are being persecuted on daily basis. Kidnapping of Hindu minor girls and converting and marrying them off to Muslims is happening in Pakistan on a daily basis. You know what is happening to Coptic churches in Egypt - almost daily bombings and also kidnapping of Coptic girls. It is the same model Muslims follow every where - after all they only emulating their perfect man- Mo/allah!!!
We should ban all jihad and stealth jihad being carried out by Muslims in our countries. Practicing of sharia should be explicitly banned.
All the aid to Muslim countries should be conditional to their providing equal rights to minorities. We have already given Pakistan and Egypt billions of dollars and we are still doing it even when we know what these countries are doing to Hindus, Sikhs, Copts respectively in their countries.
Perhaps you won't agree to any of these proposals since they are not politoically correct!!
Typo in the last line of my post above- obviously it should be ... not politically correct!!
The article speaks among other things about Christians being targeted for their faith, and we've been hearing about Christmas bombings and threats, massacares of Christians in Iraq and other crimes committed against Christians, so what am I supposed to think when you say:
It does sound like you were suggesting to do to Muslims in the west what Muslims do to Christians in, say, Iraq and Egypt, or to Hindus in Pakistan. Maybe next time it'd be better to be more specific about what you mean as to avoid being misunderstood.
Islamic violence is caused by the mono causal philosophy within the politico-military doctrine. Only 1 % of mohamedans comply to jihad violence and form the world wide army .... of 15 million murderers. That is a bigger army than all armies in the world combined ! Tit for tat, an eye for an eye completely misses the point with the deadly 'philosophy' islam. The battle against islamization has three levels: 1. The philosophy of death within islam (both stealth and kinetic jihad, 2. Dhimitude (stealth jihad) 3. Islam-oil. (Part dhimitude part Stealth jihad)
Ad 1. What must be done against islam itself :
1. re-migrate all mohamedans in a humane way back to their islamic countries. Those who are threatened must be protected within safe heavens, green zones within their own islamic country.
2. Mohamedans must be compelled by all means, political, economical, diplomatic, intellectual, to renounce islam 'faith' and convert to Christianity or humanism. Warring terrorists (the war against a warring tactic !?!) wont work in the long term. Islam will ultimately win in a Pyrrhic victory such blunt wars.
dear d&g,
i really believe that there is no conflict between your core beliefs, those of jaladhi and mine.
just like jihad is a battle fought against us on many levels, so should our counterattack be multilateral.
regardless what form it takes, i fully support jaladhi's comment which i take as a core belief that we should subscribe to:
'attention muslimes! please observe the big line in the sand. from now on, all muslime bullshit that was tolerated in the past will not be tolerate and here are the punishments:...a,b,c,...x,y,z'
the prime minister of canada steven harper, has correctly explained that in canada there is ONE LAW and no sharia bullshit will be tolerated.
THIS is the winning attitude.
the way col allen west is correctly identifying the enemy and not mincing words when he targets it, THAT is the correct attitude.
so in reality we really are in agreement over the core issues.
i happen to believe that those muslimes that **start** to get close to the line in the sand should be of course deported but not before some chaingang work is being served and to hell with the liberal lawyer screaming indignation about the misstreatment of his 'honorable client'....
ok. so my views might be **slightly** conservative (sarc/off), but we (you jaladhi and i and i am sure most of the jw tribe) are esentially in agreement as to what needs to be done. we are only arguing about the semantics of 'how close do we allow a muslime to approach the line in the sand once we **see** that he is heading towards it....
you are a kinder person than i. you say, give him some slack, i say yank the chain!
there!
i have met some incredibly generous and hospitable muslims that i hold a cherished spot in my heart. common sense obviously must be used and i am not advocating a 'if you are a muslim - then start packing'....it is wrong! and i do not think that a kind person born into this faith, should have anything to fear IF they walk in the opposite direction of the line in the sand.
but let us not repeat past mistakes and allow another 'major nidal' to occur...
all the signs were there...but everybody wanted to be politically correct and sadly nobody did the right thing.
I clicked on the link and read it all, in situ.
*This* paragraph was also worthy of note:
"Israel is one country in the Middle East that has seen its Christian population grow, with Palestinian Christians fleeing persecution in the West Bank ruled by the Palestinian Authority."
In other words: Mr Huntley knows enough to state that the number of Christians inside Israel, under Israeli rule, has *grown*, whereas the flight of local Arab Christians from places like Bethlehem is not the fault of Israel, but the fault of the Muslim P. A.
Kudos to Steve Huntley for writing a good article ; and kudos to the editor of the Chicago-Sun Times for publishing it.
I hope that many jihadwatchers will write a letter to the editor supporting Mr Huntley's article and praising the paper for publishing it. Contact Mr Huntley himself and thank him.
If you live in Chicago, *buy* a copy of the paper, as a concrete way of saying 'thank you'.
If newspapers, in these days of declining circulations, discover that the publication of **truthful** articles about jihad, sharia, and Islam generally, garners them not only praise but SALES and/ or the buying of advertising space, they may be inclined to go on doing it.
Yes, Doom and Gloom, I agree with you.
It is imperative that governments and Citizens of Democratic Nations (CIDENA's) do not stoop to the level of those of Islamic Nations. In their treatment of Muslims residing in Democratic Nations (MUDENA's).
And any way; What Cidena's first need to ascertain is:
A. that islamic laws, principles, goals, practices and interests are very much at odds with the Democratic ones.
Death of apostasy, prohibition of free speech, inequality between men-women, believers-unbeliers are the first four of these anti-Democratic laws.
B. That in the Ummah, especially in the powerful OIC, there are many upholders, practitioners and supporters of these anti-Democratic laws. And real enemies of Democracy. Iran, Saudi-Arabia, Yemen, Sudan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and many totalitarian clerics, leaders, organisations.
C. What is the connection between Mudena's and the Ummah? Are they first and foremost loyal to the one or the other side? What is the choice of the Mudena's when they have to choose between the 2 sets of laws? Will the Mudena's uneguivocally support or renounce the death-penalty for apostasy and these other anti-democratic laws?
D. Can the Cidena's demand absolute clarity and commitment from the Mudena's in these matters? And can the Mudena's be held accountable should they clearly choose the side of the Ummah, and the Anti-Democratic laws?
Being a neutral citizen of a nation is to be allowed, because at birth a citizen is automatically part of the nation, so (s)he has no choice.
But can treason, sedition, aiding and abetting known enemies, who desire to destroy the democratic system of a nation be allowed? And cannot these people penalized somehow for joining these enemies, who oppress so much victims who are Christian, Hindu or Atheist etc like most Cidena's?
Mr. Spencer:
For years now, you, Mr. Horowitz, Ms Geller and Ms Gabriel have constituted the sole source of my willingness to resist the temptation to succumb to inescapable despair. Still, I must resurrect the argument I have posted here several times recently; there is no such entity as "moderate islam" - this perverse faith has only two components, jihadists and enablers. Anyone who believes that we kufr are not apes and pigs, or that the world caliphate must not be imposed, either by subjugation or annihilation, is considered an apostate, and hence subject to beheading.
This is a fight to the death - it's we or they.
"...No doubt acts of intolerance against Muslims can be found, and they should be condemned..."
I disagree.
Why should "acts of intolerance against Muslims... be condemned"?
Muslims follow the most intolerant religion/political system that ever existed.
To tolerate the intolerant only serves to destroy tolerance.
The point is that the system of Islam enforced through Sharia law SYSTEMATICALLY persecutes/subjugates/forcibly converts/murders non-Muslims.