In their Gallup survey published under the hubristic title Who Speaks for Islam? What A Billion Muslims Really Think, Obama adviser Dalia Mogahed and Saudi-funded dhimmi pseudo-academic John Esposito cooked their data to increase the number of Muslim "moderates," counting as "moderate" Muslims who wanted Sharia rule, hated America, supported jihad-martyrdom suicide bombing, and opposed equality of rights for women. Mogahed also defended Sharia on a British TV show hosted by the jihadist group Hizb ut-Tahrir, saying it amounted to "gender justice."
"Obama adviser says politics roused Muslim anger towards US," by Habib Toumi for Gulf News, January 18 (thanks to Twostellas):
Manama: Politics, not religious differences, have roused Muslim anger towards the US, said Dalia Mogahed, US President Barack Obama's Adviser on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships at the White House Office."We discovered that those who viewed the root cause of Muslim-West tensions to be political were more likely to see the conflict as avoidable. Those who viewed it as religious were more likely to see it as unavoidable," she said.
"However, we also found that religiosity in the Muslim community works to the advantage of engagement," Dalia, who is also Executive Director of the Abu Dhabi Gallup Center (ADGC) for Muslim Studies, said in a lecture on "Measuring the State of Muslim-West Relations," held in Kuwait by the Advocate for Westerners-Arab Relations (Aware) Centre on Monday evening.
Thus in Mogahed's world, if you see the cause of the tensions between the West and the Islamic world as religious, then you will more likely see that conflict as inevitable, but that will work to "the advantage of engagement." So apparently she thinks it is a good thing for people to see the conflict as caused by religion, although she actually thinks it is caused by politics.
And in the background of this gobbledegook is the fact that in the Islamic world, the distinction between politics and religion is purely artificial.
She based her statement on findings and recommendations of a research conducted by ADGC.The focus of her lecture was on attitudes by Muslims and Westerners toward interactions between their societies, highlighting new dimensions of the Muslim-West relationship.
"The theme of this lecture was highlighted by President Obama in his inaugural address and later in his famous speech in Cairo in early June 2009. His Cairo speech was received by a standing ovation, as optimism and hope filled up the room. As where have we gone from there, this is the question now," Egyptian-born Dalia said, quoted by Kuwait News Agency (Kuna).
Middle East and North Africa (Mena) peoples placed the highest importance on Muslim-West relations, and have shown the greatest degree of change in attitudes since Obama took office, she said, basing her statement on findings and recommendations of a research by ADGC.
"However, in 2010, Obama's approval rating decreased in several countries in this region. Building on our finding that showing respect for Islam was an important component of improving Muslim-West relations, we found that this meant not only Westerners refraining from desecrating religious symbols, but also demonstrating fairness in Western government policies," she said.
Note that once again it is entirely the responsibility of the West to mend fences with Muslims. There is no hint of any possibility that Muslims might need to adjust their behavior in any way. In Obama and Mogahed's world, it's all our fault, at all times, in all particular situations.
Compared with residents in Asia and sub-Saharan Africa, Dalia said those living in the Mena region place the highest level of importance on Muslim-West relations."In 2009, 61 per cent of Mena residents - compared with 52 per cent of those living in Asia and 49 per cent of those in sub-Saharan Africa - said the quality of the interaction between the Muslim and Western worlds is important to them. In addition, Mena residents are the most likely to believe majority Muslim communities are committed to improving interactions with Western societies."
However, Dalia, citing research findings, said "when asked whether the West is committed to improving relations with the majority Muslim societies, minorities of residents in these three regions believe the West is committed."
It is taken for granted that majority Muslim societies are committed to improving relations with the West, despite zero evidence to substantiate that.
Between 2008 and 2009, approval of US leadership remained flat in Asia and sub-Saharan Africa, but it increased from 12 to 32 per cent in Mena, Dalia said.In answer to who is looking for improved relations, she said that across countries, individuals are classified as either "Ready" or "Not Ready" for Muslim-West engagement.
"Overall, Ready individuals perceive their own side (either Western or majority Muslim society) as committed to greater contact with the other. They are positive about greater interaction and believe conflict is avoidable. Not Ready individuals are doubtful of their communities' commitment and respect for the other side. They also reject greater interaction and view a Muslim-West conflict as inevitable."
As a key finding, Dalia said the most meaningful action to display respect for Islam revolves around religious symbols, as 72 per cent of Muslims say abstaining from desecrating Islam's holy book and religious symbols would be very meaningful to them....
In other words, curtail the freedom of speech and adopt Sharia restrictions regarding speech about Islam, and we'll be making progress.
How about respect when we see some from Islam? Hmm?
By a Muslims standards they ARE moderate. By American standards? Not so much.
View point. *Rolls eyes*
"It is taken for granted that majority Muslim societies are committed to improving relations with the West, despite zero evidence to substantiate that."
Uhhh... The evidence actualy points the other direction.
http://www.memri.org/content/en/main.htm
How exactly does this equate to improving relations?
Don't hold your breath...
We know the political left has this on-going alliance with the global jihad. It is the political right (my 'side') which most concerns me. I see P. Sperry mentioned in R. Spencer's "Stealth Jihad, How Radical Islam Is Subverting America without Guns or Bombs." I guess Suhail Khan was not prominent on the radar screen at the time the book was written.
Note:
1) Who is Suhail Khan? by Paul Sperry
Suhail Khan, a Bush administration veteran, has presented himself as a moderate, pro-American voice in the Muslim Community. But new videos cast serious doubt on that image he’s carefully groomed for himself in Washington.
Shockingly, they show this current American Conservative Union board member consorting with radical Muslim Brotherhood leaders-turned-terrorists, while exalting the death culture of jihadists.
Relevance: This self-proclaimed staunch Republican has made inroads into the GOP leadership on the Hill, where he’s lobbied to:
* Block opposition to the Ground Zero mosque;
* Pooh-pooh the threats from Muslim Brotherhood infiltration and the Shariah legal code it seeks to institutionalize in America;
* Downplay the rising tide of homegrown terror and radicalization, which Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., plans to investigate next month during his important Homeland Security Commitee hearings on the subject.
More alarming, Mr. Khan has — unwittingly or not — helped the bad guys infiltrate the government, from one end of Pennsylvania Avenue to the other....." (read it all)
http://frontpagemag.com/2011/01/20/who-is-suhail-khan/
2)Peter King: Dazed and Confused
http://loganswarning.com/2011/01/19/peter-king-dazed-and-confused/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Loganswarning+%28Loganswarning%29
January 19, 2011
Exactly one month ago, the door of hope was opened when Peter King (R), House Committee on Homeland Security, stated he will hold hearings on the “radicalization” of certain American Muslims.
Now, we learn that the door of hope is quickly being closed, as King’s proposed solution to the problem will not stem the tide of “radical thought. This is the main policy that the UK has implemented and it has proven to be a failure in reducing the numbers & activity of “radical” Muslims, leading to more concessions to Islam.
Last night, the Politico published an article entitled Muslim Groups Nervous About King Hearings. The article was written by Ben Smith & Byron Tau. Starting with Peter King.
In a move that will come as a relief to Muslim leaders, King told POLITICO that he’s not planning to call as witnesses such Muslim community critics as the Investigative Project on Terrorism’s Steve Emerson and Jihad Watch’s Robert Spencer, two respected individuals with large followings among Conservatives but who are viewed as antagonists by many Muslims......
Here is what Muslims just cannot grasp. Respect is not something that can be taken. RESPECT IS EARNED. Even if you dominate a culture, and force its submission. that will not give you the "respect" that you desire. Only through respectable acts do you earn respect. Force and submission are now, and have always been the pathways to disrespect, and resentment.
Where are the Muslim acts of respect? Any where in the world today? I am not seeing them. No wait, there was one incident recently that caught my attention, as an act worthy of respect. When the Egyptian Muslims showed out for the Coptic Christians. That was worthy of respect! But as a group I think that Muslims believe that respect is something that can, and should be taken. That is not worthy, or deserving of respect.
YOU GIVE RESPECT, YOU GET RESPECT.
"Mackie says Islam must show respect for Judaism and Christianity to ease American anger toward Islam".
I think Mogahed would prefer to use the terms demand or subjugate instead of must, thus keeping within the determinations of Islamic supremacy . We continuously see the opposite from Islam and the Middle East on a daily basis of course.
How does one go about respecting an ideology that hates pretty much everything the West stands for? Sorry not going to happen because there is little if any common ground with an ideology that still lives in the 6th century and does not allow for any abrogation of it text, and is determined to destroy our miserable house within.
Obama adviser Mogahed says West must show respect for Islam to ease Muslim anger toward U.S.
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And what sort of "respect" does Islam demand? Consult your local Mafia Don for ideas...
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Politics, not religious differences, have roused Muslim anger towards the US
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As noted, a distinction without a difference in Islam...
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Mogahed also defended Sharia on a British TV show hosted by the jihadist group Hizb ut-Tahrir, saying it amounted to "gender justice."
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Well, if your idea of "gender justice" includes imprisonment for "Zina" and *stoning rape victims to death*, then I suppose so.
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"The theme of this lecture was highlighted by President Obama in his inaugural address and later in his famous speech in Cairo in early June 2009. His Cairo speech was received by a standing ovation, as optimism and hope filled up the room. As where have we gone from there, this is the question now"
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"However, in 2010, Obama's approval rating decreased in several countries in this region. Building on our finding that showing respect for Islam was an important component of improving Muslim-West relations, we found that this meant not only Westerners refraining from desecrating religious symbols, but also demonstrating fairness in Western government policies," she said.
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"Fairness", like "gender justice", are Western buzzwords here used to mean something else entirely.
In other words, while Obama started out in an encouragingly groveling fashion, his submission hasn't been deep enough or fast enough for so much of the Ummah. If only he—and the rest of the West—were to completely quash freedom of speech and impose blasphemy laws, it would go far in showing "respect" for Islam.
Thanks, Robert, for your comments. To read the original story is such a crock of poop! The problem with Islam in America is simple and simple to solve and anything short of resolving it prolongs the agony of the destruction of democracy. Muslims are not obligated to obey any laws except those of Islam. Many of them come to the west expecting a better life and greater freedoms, which they obtain, but they don't consider the fact they need to change their belief system, as their "religion" is against democracy. So these are the moderate Muslims who still observe the Islamic rule and customs, not realizing that what they achieve in the west, their "religion" will destroy. Resolving this threat? Declare Islam a illegimate religion, step #1. This removes all recognitions and rights which they claim in the name of religion. Of course, there is always the recourse that if you don't like this and do violence to overturn it, one will be treated as a ciminal and jailed or deported.
Mobamad:
Well said, Respect must be earned not just demanded as Megahead would have us do.
Thanks,
That is one of my biggest personal "beefs" with Islam, and people in general, is that they have been taught that respect is somthing that is, and must be given. No, it is earned.
Am I the only one who feels like the whole world has gone crazy?? I haven't decided if these so-called Muslim 'moderates' are really, really stupid or just really, really good liars. And I really can't understand why the left is so eager to be in bed with the Islamists. Don't they understand that they would be the first to be taken out especially since traditionally, Islam gets rid of the 'traitors' when they take over a culture or region?
*sigh* They seem to have come out of nowhere like roaches ... how do we stem the tide now??
I read this after I read about a military officer and his wife who've had their children taken away for homeschooling them and being 'too religious'. Hmmmm .... where are all the out of control family agencies when it comes to assessing a family as 'too religious' ... wouldn't a family wanting to subvert our country and establish THEIR religion as the law be considered under that?
I will never respect or kowtow to these fanatical fools and their false prophet
OK I GET IT, I will respect Islam, BUT THEN ISLAM MUST RESPECT ME AS WELL. IF I SAY AND BELIEVE MOHAMMED WAS A DIRTY LECHEROUS MURDEDERING DEMON POSSED PEDOPHILE PSEUDO PROPHET THEN MY OPINIONS AND BELIEFS ARE JUST AS VALID AND MUST BE FULLY PROTECTED BY LAW!!!!!!
"And I really can't understand why the left is so eager to be in bed with the Islamists."
Because the left, and Islam have a common enemy, Christianity. It is war on Christ, it always has been, it always will be.
"I read this after I read about a military officer and his wife who've had their children taken away for home schooling them and being 'too religious"
I read that too, Government agencies are getting way to big for their britches. Can you imagine if a child was taken away from an Islamic family for "being too religious?" There would be world wide rage, with the media calling for apologies in triplicate. But a Christian child? It's barely news worthy. It's sad.
It bears noting that, given that she is a White House appointee, the salary, travel expenses, etc., etc. of this creature are being paid with American tax dollars.
2012 can't come fast enough.
Respect? Islam must and will be annihilated. It's already in it's final days. All this uproar is nothing else than the last gasp of Islam. We'll keep on hammering it until it is completely defeated.
"We are living a tragedy sir, by Allah we are living a tragedy." (Sheikh al-Qataani on al-Jazeera TV)
Translations and original arabic transcripts available for download here:
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/05/dying-islam-lislam-mourant.html
I blame the Rep Party who seems to be bowing to Hussein Obama, after Hussein and his Dem Party SLAVES cunningly exploit Arizona shooting to shut up critics of Islam and the Rep Party, despite that the shooter was a Communist Manifesto fan! Why are the Rep keep being silent on such assault by Hussein and his crooked Islam-lover gang/infiltrators/SLAVES! Look at this pathetically arrogant and ignorant Muslim woman - she wants to be SLAVE to Islam; let her be! But don't force others to be ENSLAVED by Islam too, especially women/girls! It's sickening how anyone decent and justice/freedom-loving, who have found out the truth about the creator of Islam, the Arabic Pedophile rapist, slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls), and mass murderer of the Jews, Mohammed, still can worship this savage barbarian and his evil cult!
"And I really can't understand why the left is so eager to be in bed with the Islamists. "
The ways of islam have much in common with the ideas the left hold. The Sociaism/ Communist/Progresive agenda mirror many actions from inside the faith of islam.
In the end, it will come to war, and nothing will be held back as it is now between these two groups..
Desecrating Muslim symbols and the Koran, and 'blaspheming' against their filthy scumbag pedophile false prophet is the way to destroy Islam, and these creeps know it.
I totally agree with you! Well stated!
Another "Megahead" with a micro brain.
The single thought of muhammadism ricocheting about inside one's skull is enough to atrophy a healthy brain.
When I look at that photo of Ms Mogahed (and remember: in spellings of Egyptian Arabic 'j' and 'g' are interchangeable - so her name is Mojahed, i.e. Mujahid! - Jihadist!), proudly wearing her Cult Badge/ Female Slave Rag and that insufferable 'I am one of the superior people' smirk, I am reminded of an Italian saying that Mr Hugh Fitzgerald used to quote, occasionally.
I can't recall the exact wording in Italian, but it translates roughly into English as something like this - "that face needs a slap".
I will NEVER respect islam, I loathe it, it is completely evil and not deserving of respect. And neither are the ugly head bags for that matter.
Our first mistake was in granting of any of the demands made by islam. Head bags, slave sacks, praying (cursing) in public, foot baths, mosque blight, public broadcast of calls to prayer (curse, because they curse the kuffar 5 times a day) and ANY seditious preaching or uttering should be banned and /or punished.
Why isn't the government protecting the loyal & legitimate citizens of the country?
Screw Mohaged.
Screw islam and screw all muslims that are insulted by me saying these things.
islam must die. muslims must be set free...
Sorry...I got Mogaheds name wrong. so
Screw Mogahed. etc.
"Obama adviser says politics roused Muslim anger towards US," As it should. After all, political Islam is at war against us. Our 'occupation' of Muslim land as if Islam is a national entity is a root cause of war, as it should be. Islam is fielding an army to remove these 'occupiers'. I don't care very much if we piss them off.
As for moderate Muslims, it really does not matter. Millions of Germans and Japanese were 'moderates' in 1944, but it did not change the fact that they were at war against us. When it comes to warfare, the 'moderates' will fight for Islam.
Improving relations with those who embrace a supremacist ideology means letting those members have more status, power, privilege, or whatever they desire.