It's a jihad in Tunisia, as I explained here. The Liberation Party is the leading pro-Sharia party in Tunisia.
"'Islam, best option for a new Tunisia,'" from PressTV, January 20:
Islam is the best path for the Tunisian revolution and the rest of the Arab and Muslim world, not the methods prescribed by the West, an activist says."We say that only Islam will bring peace and tranquility and freedom to our people, not secularism, not dictatorship, not any other secular ideology supported by the West," Osman Bakach from the Liberation Party said.
"Muslims are fed up with these dictatorial regimes and we will not stop until Islam and only Islam is back in power," he added in an interview with Press TV.
Bakach pointed out his party wants "the masses to be aware of the plot now being planned by the security intelligence in Algeria, Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia with the help of the Americans and the French to sabotage, undermine and steal the fruit of this blessed revolution."
"Though the [former Tunisian] regime hangs on a bit through the prime minister now, the fact remains that this revolution has succeeded in toppling dictator Ben Ali and as such gave hope to the rest of the region that this is the way for liberation," he argued....
I am fed up with these dictatorial regimes. I want a regime that means business. Give me hand chopping, women beating, buried stonings and oppression, all day long, in stereo. Or give me death.
Brain surgeons, every one of them.
Every once and while, you have to feel sorry for your average Muslim. Trapped, totally trapped by Islam. Here is an opportunity to establish a democracy in an Islamic country........ and it is stillborn, already co-opted by the eternal siren song of the totalitarianism of Islam.
Of course, then some dog of Islam kills his daughter because she was reportedly seen talking with a boy or stabs his wife to death because he "suspects" she is having an affair or blows himself up with a busload of school children because education is haram. Then you don't feel too sorry.
DEAR MUSLIM ACTIVIST: When is any Islamic state NOT dictatorship? Is Iran free of despotism? I'm sure the majority of Iranians don't feel particularly happy with their state of affairs. What about Pakistan? You want a theocracy but its only a theocracy of man. God doesnot speaak to the mullahs nor sheiks on a day to day basis as God did to Moses. That was a true theocracy not the evil ISLAMIC RULE OF TERROR we sse today.
Tunisian Islamic leader: "Muslims are fed up with these dictatorial regimes and we will not stop until Islam and only Islam is back in power"
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Clearly, these pious Muslims much prefer the dictatorial regimes of hard-core Shari'ah states to the (comparatively) benign dictatorial regimes of states like Tunisia and Jordan.
Even though clueless Western pundits have dubbed this the "Jasmine Revolution" in hopes that it will resemble the democratic "color" revolutions of Eastern Europe in the 1980s and '90s, it far more likely that the eventual result will more closely resemble the Islamic Republic of Iran or the violent chaos of Somalia than it will modern Poland or the Czech Republic.
Theocracy, a la Iran coming soon to Tunisia!!! Muslims can't handle democracy and it's freedoms and they always long for the "religious and pious" Islamic government of Caliphs - a dictator by another name!!! Iran is a glaring example for all those Islamic democracies longing to be turned into theocracies or Caliphates.
If I were living in the ME I too would long for the day that I would not live under an oppressive government. Tunisians, like the those turning to the Taliban and the Wahhabi, are no doubt trying to create the "best world concept that they know". The situation speaks to me of a very long educational process of raising a new vision in the Muslim World of of a "pluralistic society". US Abolitionists, and their prodigy Civil Rights workers, pressed on. Though outnumbered they had a higher moral vision and power and eventually prevailed. While the Tunisians above are trying to draw on their highest concept of moral power, one would think that the "social science equation" of this global process must ultimately factor in many other visions of a "highest moral power". People will ultimately "vote with their feet" and the winner will be that which creates the greatest joy, happiness and prosperity? There are six billion voters on the planet.
NATO should go in - before Iranian style Arab-led Mullah's regime get into power! Such is the increase danger to Israel - surrounded by the evil Nazi-like cult and its believers, Islam!
"Muslims are fed up with these dictatorial regimes and we will not stop until Islam and only Islam is back in power,"
And when the dictatorial regime in power is Islamic then what? Are Muslims suddenly no longer fed up with dictatorships?
Or is that just a cul-de-sac they can't turn round in?
Islam is crap sat-nav, it always leads into these narrow dead ends that are only wide enough to drive into and have no space to turn, and make matters worse, it seems Muslims never have rear-view mirror on their vans. Duh!
Don't these crazy Moslems understand that the only way we can continue to tolerate Sharia states in Dar al-Islam to have dictators keep them under control?
Prez Jimmy didn't know this when he opened Pandora's Box in Persia, but Moslems should, cuz they have benefit of unrestricted access to Moslem Scholars there. Moslem Scholars, now there's a contradiction in terms.
I hang my head in shame. I had to read the title twice to see the humorous irony.
Muslims are fed up with these dictatorial regimes and we will not stop until Muslims are liberated from .. Islam.
How are we going to help Muslims? By exposing the filth of the Founder of Islam.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/12/perfect-man-of-islam.html
The vast majority of Muslim regimes aren't islamic enough.
You go to Arabia, Sudan or Afghanistan and you will see milions of Muslims demanding the purest form of Islam.
They are simply unhappy with just stonings, slashings or amputations... they want more unrestricted islam.
Translation-
We demand the right to go from bad to worse! We PRAY for it.
The Muzzies fed up with dictatorships and want them replaced with Islam?.Those Camel jockies really have got distorted minds.
Frying pan? .......fire?
It is interesting, I have been watching some news outlets talk about the goings on in Tunisia as if this is a great thing for democracy, speculating that the rebellion will produce some semblance of a free society that Muslims have been so yearning for.
The problem with that idea though, is that there aren't any Thomas Payne's, Thomas Jeffersons, or Benjamin Franklins in the riots to provide ideologically to such an out come.
There is only ONE political force available for them to fill the power vacuum which will be left. Only an idiot would see any other outcome. Not too freaking hard to figure out.
"The Liberation Party is the leading pro-Sharia party in Tunisia. "
No he is not, he is some clown from Hizb-Ut-Tahrir. There is no leading pro-sharia party in Tunisia since all opposition was banned.
You are taking advantage of the ignorance of your readers to spoon feed them this nonsense about jihad in tunisia while the Tunisian people are clamoring for democracy and freedom.
You are doing your best to ignore this and instead convince your readers that in fact these people are clamoring for Sharia by first quoting an al-qaeda video and then some nonsense from a hizb-uth-tahrir reject.
You cannot of course find any Tunisian in any protest asking for shariah because they dont exist. Instead you lie to your readers and they accept it willingly because they cant be bothered to check the facts for themselves.
I invite jihadwatchers to find out more about this Osman Bakhach from the "leading sharia party in Tunisia". Go to google and put his name in brackets, see how many hits you get.
C.S. Lewis once wrote that the soul hungers to be fed. If is denied true spiritual nurishment it will gobble poison. Islam is poison for the soul.
News report for amusement only - in Dutch but you can get the idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-UIfKc9Z28&feature=aso
From the article (which, note well, is from the Iranian government's mouthpiece, 'Press TV'):
"We say that only Islam will bring peace and tranquility and freedom to our people, not secularism, **not dictatorship** {my emphasis - dda}, not any other secular ideology supported by the West," Osman Bakach from the Liberation Party said.
"Muslims are fed up with these **dictatorial regimes** {my emphasis - dda} and we will not stop until Islam and only Islam is back in power," he added in an interview with Press TV.
Now, from Nonie Darwish's book on sharia, 'Cruel and Usual Punishment', chapter six, "A dictator's dream" -
"Muslims today blame Muslim leaders but still demand to live under Sharia and refuse to see the connection.
"When Sharia laws were written in the early days of Islam, every greedy desire of a dictator was met and fulfilled through an Islamic law that gave his totalitarian rule legitimacy and stability. With Islam's tools of sharia, the Muslim leader can now rule with an iron fist over subdued people, submissive warriors, who are made to believe heaven is better than this life. Muslim leaders today not only must abide by sharia's harsh laws but cannot be blamed for them either. They would be correct to say, 'I did not create them, Allah did', according to those who wrote the Sharia.
"Sharia, even if partially applied, can only produce tyranny and dictatorships.
"Sharia is more than a dictator-friendly law. **It is a dictator's dream handed to him by allah** (my emphasis - dda) ".
I could add to that, a quote from C S Forester's "The Barbary Pirates", the introductory chapter in which he says bluntly, of Islam, that it could produce no form of government more complex than a simple tyranny; but I have lent the book to someone else and can't consult it to give you the exact words.
Islam tends to produce tyrannies and dictatorships, because Islam worships a god who is nothing more than an apotheosised arbitrary tyrant.
Another poster here, not long ago, drew attention to the discussion of Islam by an American Abolitionist, one James Freeman Clarke.
Googling Clarke's name took me to the online edition of his book, 'Ten Great Religions'.
He drew on leading scholars of his day to get a handle on Islam, and here are some of his conclusions, all of which concur with the assessments offered by Mr Spencer, Bat Yeor, Mark Durie, Nonie Darwish, Ibn Warraq, and many, many others today.
Chapter 11 of Freeman's book deals with 'Mohammed and Islam'.
Section five 'religious doctrines and practices among the Mohammedans' contains the following observations:
"There is no recognition, in the Koran, of human brotherhood. It is a prime duty to hate infidels and make war on them. Mohammed made it a duty for Moslems to betray and kill their own brothers when they were infidels; and he was obeyed in more cases than one."
And:
"The two main divisions are into Sunnites and Shyites. The Persians are mostly Shyites, and refuse to receive the Sunnite traditions. They accept Ali, and denounce Omar. Terrible wars and cruelties have taken place between these sects. Only a few of the Sunnite doctors acknowledge the Shyites to be Moslems. They have a saying, "to destroy a Shyite is more acceptable than to kill seventy other infidels of whatever sort."'
More, and most pertinent to the present discussion:
"Two recent travellers, Mr. Palgrave and Mr. Vambéry, have described the present state of Mohammedanism in Central Arabia and Turkistan, or Central Asia.
"Barth has described it as existing among the negroes in North Africa.
"Count Gobineau has told us of Islam as it is in Persia at the present day.
"Mr. MacFarlane, in his book "Kismet, or the Doom of Turkey," has pointed out the gradual decay of that power, and the utter corruption of its administration.
"After reading such works as these,—and among them let us not forget Mr. Lane's "Modern Egyptians,"—the conclusion we must inevitably come to is, that **the worst Christian government, be it that of the Pope or the Czar, is very much better than the best Mohammedan government.** {my emphasis - dda}
'**Everywhere we find arbitrary will taking the place of law.** {nota bene - dda}
“In most places the people have no protection for life or property, and know the government only through its tax-gatherers.
{Now for the kicker, the key insight - dda}
“**And all this is necessarily and logically derived from the fundamental principle of Mohammedan theology.
God is pure will, not justice, not reason, not love.** {my emphasis - dda}
'Christianity says, "God is love"; Mohammedanism says, "God is will."
'Christianity says, "Trust in God"; Mohammedanism says, "Submit to God."
'Hence the hardness, coldness, and cruelty of the system; hence its utter inability to establish any good government.
'According to Mr. MacFarlane, it would be a blessing to mankind to have the Turks driven out of Europe and Asia Minor, and to have Constantinople become the capital of Russia.
'The religion of Islam is an outward form, a hard shell of authority, hollow at heart.
' It constantly tends to the two antagonistic but related vices of luxury and cruelty.',,,
Then, in section 6 of chapter 11 of Freeman's book .
'Mr. Palgrave, who has given the latest and best account of the condition of Central and Southern Arabia, under the great Wahhabee revival,
'sums up all Mohammedan theology as teaching a Divine unity of pure will.
'God is the only force in the universe. Man is wholly passive and impotent.
'He calls the system, "A pantheism of force."
'God has no rule but arbitrary will.
'He is a tremendous unsympathizing autocrat, but is yet jealous of his creatures, lest they should attribute to themselves something which belongs to him.
'He delights in making all creatures feel that they are his slaves.
'This, Mr. Palgrave asserts, is the main idea of Mohammedanism, and of the Koran, and this was what lay in the mind of Mohammed.
"Of this," says he, "we have many authentic samples: the Saheeh, the Commentaries of Beydāwee, the Mishkat-el-Mesabeeh, and fifty similar works, afford ample testimony on this point.
'But for the benefit of my readers in general, all of whom may not have drunk equally deep at the fountain-heads of Islamitic dogma, I will subjoin a specimen, known perhaps to many Orientalists, yet too characteristic to be here omitted, a repetition of which I have endured times out of number from admiring and approving Wahhabees in Nejed.
'"Accordingly, when God—so runs the tradition,—I had better said the blasphemy—resolved to create the human race, he took into his hands a mass of earth, the same whence all mankind were to be formed, and in which they after a manner pre-existed; and, having then divided the clod into two equal portions, he threw the one half into hell, saying, 'These to eternal fire, and I care not'; and projected the other half into heaven, adding, 'And these to paradise, and I care not.'...
And finally, in section 7, Mr Clarke observes:
"The merits and demerits, the good and evil, of Mohammedanism are to be found in this, its central idea concerning God.
" It has taught submission, obedience, patience; but it has fostered a wilful individualism.
" It has made social life lower. Its governments are not governments.
" Its virtues are stoical.
" It makes life barren and empty.
"It encourages a savage pride and cruelty.
" It makes men tyrants or slaves, women puppets, religion the submission to an infinite despotism."
That's exactly what I'm afraid of.
It's the Shah or Iran and the Ayatollah ALL over again....
The Muslims don't want Democracy, they want a heaping helping of the good ol life under Prophet Mo. Well, good if you're a Muslim and a man and not slave and follow your orders.
Dumbledore's Army wrote:
Islam tends to produce tyrannies and dictatorships, because Islam worships a god who is nothing more than an apotheosised arbitrary tyrant.
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Very true, DDA. Here's the appalling site Salafi Media, which in addition to loudly calling for Shari'ah in Tunisia, features this loathsome article:
"Democracy: A Corrupt Way of Life"
"It is from the various types of traps laid out by Iblees [Satan—GI] in order to subdue the masses away from the righteous path that he orchestrated various paths of misguidance for the people and as a result democracy was introduced. It should be brought to the attention of the people that democracy is by far one of the deadliest forms of deception that exists...
"Also, for those individuals who choose to follow democracy as a way of life but claim to be a Muslim, they would be regarded as renegades from the creed of Islaam as democracy opposes the fundamentals of Islaam...
"There is no room for democracy or any other deviant way of life except for Islam in its purest form without to subtract any element or induce anything. Islam is perfect from the day it was revealed to the whole of creation and will continue to do so until the Day of Reckoning..."
You can read it all here:
http://www.salafimedia.com/izharuddeen/dawah/item/1296-democracy-a-corrupt-way-of-life.html
So—in the necessary absence of democracy, who represents "Allah"? Why, the bloodiest, most brutal usurper who can cow or murder as many of his rivals as is necessary in order to seize and hold onto power.
*This* is the necessary nature of 'Allah's regent on earth', and under Islam it cannot be otherwise.
Why can't today's ignorant, reckless 'leaders' learn from history what islam was, is, and will always be before they completely destroy the civilized world with political correctness, multiculturalism, muslim immigration, and social engineering? What makes the political elite of today wise enough or qualified to meddle with the demographics that once protected the civilized world from the savages? They are obviously the most ignorant cabal of pompous utopians to live, breathe, and wreak havoc simultaneously and they must be stopped before they create the dystopia they mysteriously crave.
A democracy requires unrestricted freedom of speech about every issue to work.
That's impossible in Islam. Even if the Muslims are peaceful.
I see no evidence, thus far, that this uprising is a jihad. I see plenty of jihadists in the media who were not involved in these events coming along, after the fact, trying to associate themselves with it, for propaganda purposes. I see some of them are now talking about using this as an opportunity to push their agenda, but still no evidence that the uprising itself was or is a jihad. Even MEMRI--by no means an Islam apologist organization--regards the uprising as "secular" and motivated by economic conditions:
Also see these articles:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703954004576090180234388522.html
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5idBhVoE39ZwluYl0udXgPaVFVAxg?docId=4a51fe246232427d8de21dc8b01f4a19
Tunisia's Islamists eye place in politics
(AP) – 5 hours ago
p.s. the link for the MEMRI article cited in my previous post:
Jihadists See Turmoil in Tunisia as a Chance for Establishing Islamic State
By: R. Green
http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4934.htm
The regime that just got overthrown was the one that hosted the PLO after the Israelis kicked them out of Lebanon. Apparently, that was not good enough for the Jihadis.
Given that this uprising has been welcomed by Islamic movements from al-Qaeda al Mahgrabi to the Tunisian Renaissance Party (Hizb al-Nahdah), as well as Hamas, there's little doubt about what this uprising is.