The Mrs. has done us one favor here in amply demonstrating the uselessness of condemnations of "terrorism" by Islamic groups. Why? Because they leave untouched the issue of jihadist warfare, its doctrines, motivations, and its ultimate agenda to impose Islamic law.
And that is exactly where Wifey is expressing mixed feelings, or just doesn't want to go on record one way or the other about whether Hubby's attempt at mass murder was a legitimate act of jihad, in which case he would be a martyr entitled to Allah's promise of paradise to those who "slay and are slain" in his cause (Qur'an 9:111).
Tellingly, she also employs her subjugated status as an excuse of sorts: "He never revealed his secret side to me. Maybe it's a cultural thing because as a Muslim wife I was not expected to pry into his life."
"Sweden bomber's wife denies knowledge of attack," from Agence France-Presse, January 2 (thanks to David):
LONDON -- The wife of the Stockholm suicide bomber said she had no idea he had become radicalised and was plotting a terror attack, in an interview out Sunday.
Mona Thwany, 28, said her husband Taimour Abdulwahab appeared to be a "normal Muslim" who "never revealed his secret side" to her.
The 29-year-old sports therapist blew up himself and his car in a busy Stockholm street on December 11. Two passers-by were injured.
Thwany and Abdulwahab met at university in Luton, north of London, had been married for six years and lived in the factory town with their children aged six years, four years and two months.
In his suicide message, he apologised to his family for keeping his plot secret for four years.
"Taimour was a normal person, a normal Muslim. There were no alarm bells," she told News of the World, Britain's biggest-selling newspaper.
"He never revealed his secret side to me. Maybe it's a cultural thing because as a Muslim wife I was not expected to pry into his life."
Thwany denied reports that she radicalised him and said she was "never aware" that a Luton mosque asked him to leave because of his extreme views.
"Looking back, he did get more religious," she said.
"He was a practising Muslim, praying five times a day, fasting at Ramadan and giving to charity. He distanced himself from people around him. Fewer and fewer friends came to the house.
"Then he lost contact with some of them altogether. He began to spend a lot of time on the Internet. He became very private."
She said the pair never discussed politics, though "he was angry about the war in Iraq and Afghanistan -- but not unduly so."
You sure about that?
Abdulwahab's family fled from Iraq to Sweden in 1991. Thwany is from Romania and has an Iraqi father.
Abdulwahab had told his wife he was going to Sweden to see relatives and she "didn't notice anything different about him" when he left on November 19.
"A normal kiss and a hug and he went," she said.
He sent her an MP3 sound file minutes before killing himself but thinking it would be a song, she did not listen to it. Only when Abdulwahab's sister called to alert her to the news did she hear the recording -- his suicide message.
"I started shivering... I felt disbelief, shock and fear -- I was very scared.
"He never gave off any clues that he was going to blow himself up.
"Some people said Taimour is a martyr. I don't know whether he is or he isn't. All I can say is that I totally condemn terrorism.
"I had no knowledge that he could do anything like that. If I had known, I would have stopped him."
Another "decent fellow" gone bad:
Speaking of their home life, she said: "He was a good, patient father -- a very helpful, hands-on dad. He loved playing with the kids in the garden, planting flowers and herbs and things."
She said he loved birds and at one stage had 10 canaries in the house.
His only bad habit was "leaving his dirty socks around", she said.
"I used to tell him off for that, it was his biggest fault, being untidy."
Looks like his biggest fault was a little bigger than that.
Thwany is living in a secret location and may take a new identity.
Here's the bit that matters.
"Taimour was a normal person, a normal Muslim".
And that is precisely why he did what he did.
From the website of 'Former Muslims United', apostate Ali Sina's little essay, "Exposing the Myth of Moderate Islam":
http://formermuslimsunited.americancommunityexchange.org/2010/03/13/exposing-the-myth-of-moderate-islam/
Exposing the Myth of Moderate Islam.
From that essay:
"Every “moderate” Muslim is a potential terrorist.
"The belief in Islam is like a tank of gasoline. It looks innocuous, until it meets the fire.
"For a “moderate” Muslim to become a murderous jihadist, all it takes is a spark of faith.
"It is time to put an end to the charade of “moderate Islam.”
"There is no such thing as moderate Muslim.
"Muslims are either jihadists or dormant jihadists – moderate, they are not."
Talmour was a 'dormant' jihadist; then he was 'activated'.
I have been banned from Jihad Watch? What an accomplishment!
I'm sure he was normal...'Doin what comes naturally'...just a regular Mahoundian, just one of the guys down at the mosque...
Just average, nothing special about him...No one would have suspected him of this, he was a good Mahoundian, true to his faith...Normal...
Actually, yes. I'm not going to have disputes from one posting dragged onto another, and I'm not going to allow new comments to be driven off topic with comments that do nothing but bash other commenters.
I have been banned from Jihad Watch? What an accomplishment!
If you have been banned, why can I read what you wrote?
OOps, I'm a day late and a dollar short on that one...
Why the hell is she still allowed to live in Sweden? How many instances have we seen where spouses, other relatives,
try to convince the world that they 'had no idea' what was going on, what was being prepared?
As posted before, there is a great solution to this growing cancer: deport the entire family, every last one and shutter the 'house of worship' where these criminals got regular doses of 'spiritual motivation' to perpetrate acts of barbarism and savagery.
Despite the profound stupidity and incompentence that has marked all these recent attempts, both in Europe and stateside, depending on the idiocy of these people is no rational anti-terrorist strategy.
Even an idiot gets lucky someday.
No problem -- that was a fast-moving series of deletions and a decision to ban.
If I understand Islamic doctrine correctly, it is necessary to obtain the agreement of an Islamic authority, such as an Imam, that a contemplated attack that will probably take ones own life is a legitimate act of jihad. Without this, the taking of ones own life in the attack is suicide.
If I am wrong in this, could someone please correct me.
If I am correct, this means that somewhere in Sweden, although possibly somewhere else, eg Luton, there is an accomplice - the Imam or equivalent who 'authorised' the assault. Indeed, every time there is such an attack, there is either such an accomplice or a suicide. If the former, why aren't the police seeking the authoriser from within the known associates of the attacker and charging him as an accomplice. If the latter, why aren't the Imam's in his community stating explicitly that this was a suicide and as such, the attacker will likely go to hell at the last day?
If there was a collective public statement from the religious authorities in the attacker's community, that as far as they are aware, there was no Islamic authorisation for the attack as an act of Jihad, and therefor the attacker was destined for hell at the resurrection, the number of such attacks should substantially diminish. When authorised attacks do take place, good detective work should enable the Islamic authoriser to be charged as an accomplice to murder, or attempted murder.
Of course not!What right thinking man would let his wife know that he was entertaining the thought of making out with seventy two virgins?After all,he had probably told he
on more than one occasion that he only had eyes for her.
Doing the Muslim male thing of averting his eyes on seeing
beautiful females while walking down the street.
I think wifey put her finger right on the problem:
"Taimour was...a normal muslim." (which pretty-much cancels him out as a normal person, she can't comprehend the obvious difference)
Yep, that's it all right, he was a normal muslim. Case closed!
Now wifey can sign up for liberal Western European welfare and raise 2 more snivelling mohammedan murderers. Repatriation now! Ship her back to her daddy's homeland of Turkey-lurkey.
I am not moved anymore by any protestation of innocence by any Muslim when Islam is the motivating factor in yet another act of barbarism. Muslims announcing good will to non-Muslims is meaningless and should be looked upon as such by anyone who does not wish, employing an absolute standard here, to be counted a fool by future history. The quintessentially best thing a Muslim can do to advance the cause of humanity in microcosm is to leave Islam completely. There's no rescuing this decrepit belief system, anymore than Marxism or fascism can be salvaged. When you start out with rot, it's all downhill from there.
God, what a monster of a religion Islam is. So sick of it. If I could impress upon the body politic of every Western nation just one concept, it would be that the term "radical Islam" is redundant. Grasp this one concept in its entirety and everything else will start to fall into place, including the realization that so-called moderate Muslims, as already referenced by dda above, are just not doing their share of the lifting where their Islamic belief is concerned. Moderate Muslims are an obfuscation of the truth and not a route to it.
The Prophet called, "War (i.e. jihad) is deceit"
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 267
Muhammad was the first Islamic terrorist:
Muh.: “I have been made victorious with terror”
Bukhari 4.52.220
His only bad habit was "leaving his dirty socks around", she said.
"I used to tell him off for that, it was his biggest fault, being untidy."
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The question for this "normal Muslim's" widow, I believe is whether she *still* considers this his 'biggest fault'.
By refusing to comment on whether she considers Abdulwahab to be a "martyr", she is refusing to say whether she considers his act something to be lauded or condemned.
The vague reference to "terrorism" might just as well be a comment about the Western presence in Afghanistan and Iraq as to her late husband blowing up Swedish Infidels out Christmas shopping.
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Muslim scholar Sheiykh Allama Moalana Shahid Raza Naeemi OBE answers your questions
http://www.dewsburyreporter.co.uk/news/local/muslim_scholar_sheiykh_allama_moalana_shahid_raza_naeemi_obe_answers_your_questions_1_2880981
Muslim scholar Sheiykh Allama Moalana Shahid Raza Naeemi OBE answers your questions - Part 2
http://www.dewsburyreporter.co.uk/news/local/muslim_scholar_sheiykh_allama_moalana_shahid_raza_naeemi_obe_answers_your_questions_part_2_1_2893056
"looking back, he did get more religious..." What an ENDORSEMENT for the malevolence and violence that is Islam! You want to find out what Christianity is supposed to be like look at Jesus' behavior in the bible. If you want to see what Islam is like just look at Mohammed's behavior in the hadiths! They are as different as light and darkness,righteousness and pure evil.
I have personal experience of how so called moderate muslims can transform into violent intolerant jihadist muslims. Whilst studying at the University of west of Scotland in Paisley renfrewshire i was walking past a trio of young local Pakistani muslims in the computer lab in the university when they started laughing at me and saying things,i was in a hurry but in passing i said to them `Alla Alla Alla` and walked on to the meeting with a member of staff in the university. Sitting in a small room with a member of the university staff these young men opened the door and started shouting expletives at me, i told them to grow up and go away, whats the problem i said, you insulted our god they protested, we will f ing kill you. This was right in the middle of a university. I said you people are mad, and pointed to the ferful looking member of staff and said this man is a catholic, if i say god god gos to him he would not attack me or go crazy, whats the problem i said? Oh but we are different you cannot insult our god they said in the middle of insults and expletives. I said well you should not be in this country if thats how you respond to such a slight. they went crazy and threatened to kill me, i laughed at them but it was pretty unsettling to see how violent these peole were at such a slight. The university security turned up and one of the staff spoke to the muslims,they suggested i apologise to them for the insult. I said no way, but they insisted on it, i grudgingly said i was sorry for insulting them, after this i was advised to be escorted out of the building by the university security. The intolerance of these people is tolerated at all costs in these universities, many of whom receive large sums of cash from Islamic associations and whaabist;s in Saudi arabia etc. ITS PC GONE MAD.
What a great dad? Had Two more kids knowing full well he planned to off himself. It seems the whole therapeutic value of home gardening with the Family didn't quite pan out.
andrew murray : ..they suggested i apologise to them for the insult.
And that's the crux of the matter. They take their religion SOOOO much more seriously than other people of faith that they HAVE to be 'respected', coddled and have their false sense of entitlement reinforced by apologies and superstar status.
Well, f**k that! If I'm threatened I respond. If a person or group proves to be too much to handle on my own I'll find another way to get it sorted.
The time has come to agitate and fight back. You get this kind of reaction? Encourage them to worse acts, with witnesses, make sure the police get involved. Make it their (moslems) problem, not yours. Make them own it.
I find "Najis" works quite well. If I am asked I say, "No, I clearly said 'Hajis" and see what goes on from there. We have a few Cops that were in Iraq or Afghanistan and know some of the slang so it works out.
Yet according to the imam in Luton, it was the wife to blame for his radicalism... Muslims "passing the parcel" of blame around again?
How can she not know if he's a martyr or not? He either did a noble godly thing or a terrible, evil thing. There's no grey area here. If she 'doesn't know', then her answer is clearly 'yes, he was a martyr'.
Hear, hear, Abu! No apologies to muslims.
No intimidation, no backing-down, no surrender. Let them show the world what they are. Trouble? Let them start it. Let us finish it...
Mona Thwany and her three kids are in England, not in Sweden.
Thwany is living in a secret location and may take a new identity.
I do hope she has no more help in assuming a new identity than did Seattle cartoonist Molly Norris (which was no help at all).
So she is here in good old England?
I am sure she will be well looked after. Our welfare is very generous.
The upside is that there will be no more socks left untidily all over the house.
She is probably a respected member of the Muslim community.
I wonder if she is eligible for the war widow's pension?
/sarc.
""Looking back, he did get more religious," she said."
She didn't say he became an extremist or that he had been radicalized.
But, rather, that he had become more religious.
More devout. More pious. More believing. And ever more willing to do what the Qur'an's manufactured nonsense--and that of the Sunnah--tell Muslims to do.
I wonder how the dear Muslim wife handles the thought of her ex-husband romping now with his 72 new friends.
The new home, no doubt in an afluent suburb. The lifetime of benefits. Police protection.
Remember, she is one of our diverse communities and as such, even before this, a protected species.
Last year, walking across an empty street I heard a sound of revving at the red light. Before I'd fully crossed, the lights changed and the car hurtled towards me.
Managing to leap out of the way, I looked at the departing vehicle which contained two Pakistani males laughing at the huge joke. They'd almost killed me was the object of their humour.
Obviously angry, I asked pedestrians passing by if they'd witnessed what had gone on and all confirmed that the two had deliberately driven at me. In other words, if not for my hasty reaction I'd have been lying in the street.
I expect more of this in Britain where in certain areas there's a high Muslim presence and the tension is quite palpable.
Your experience will also be repeated, as buoyed by an inertly pusillanimous police service and a servile media, Pakistani and Bangladeshi aggression ramps up. For them, rule of law is for the kuffar and unfortunately our EU imposed hate crime edict is on their side with Christianity very low in the pecking order.
Only when public outrage reaches a tipping point will the situation change. However that point grows closer and closer as the multifaceted hydra head of the Jihad makes itself known.
Try the Opiniator site for well documented evidence of the increasing, often gross and racist violence perpetrated by Muslim males upon the indigenous population. Hardly ever making the mainstream news, there's a distinct undercurrent of assault, rape and unacceptable insult aimed at the kuffar and Luton is amongst many places with high Muslim populace where this is occurring.
This rage has nothing to do with poverty, its the existential problem they have as Muslims forced economically to live in the despised Dar el Harb. Seething with barely controlled anger, they clearly see that whilst their homelands are backward cultural and financial swamps, the West, even in our present straits is vastly preferable.
They are the new cuckoos, parasitic, eternally dependent, yet refusing to fit in or integrate. It's going on all over Europe and pretty soon will make its presence felt in the US as Jihad Watchers will already know.
I think this site will be very busy in the years to come.
I don't know much about official dogma but isn't a martyr someone who is murdered BY OTHER PEOPLE for not renouncing their faith?
How excactly does screwing up a mass murder make Taimour a martyr?
He was trying to turn other people into martyrs.
That's Islam for you. As soon as a problem raised its head Mohammed had another 'revelation' which magically cured it.
Problem, how to get young men to fight to the death for his new faith?
Answer, offer them everything their raging hormones and desires demand. Seventy two dark eyed houris with ever replenishing virginities, a lake of wine and hey presto, problem sorted. Why bother with singles bars?
That they believed it then invites ridicule. That they believe it now points to some serious mental development fault along the way.
In fact arrested development, both personal and ideological is the key to this creed. Watch film of a Pakistani rampaging crowd insulted by the merest of slights. The glazed eyes and howling, gaping mouths point to some derangement or juvenile obsession.
Remember Rage Boy? Mad as a box of frogs, yet so certain that his anger was entirely justified.
The object of that anger, in his case was a picture. A mere picture.
As I say at the start, that's Islam.
Well,
Have we forgotten that those same EU countries in which islamist supremacy and terror is taking place now helped create two purely muslim countries in Europe -- Bosnia and Kosovo? Furthermore, they voted for, and ardently supported a rather unlawful secession of Kosovo. US also had a large part in creating these islamic states.
Were the US and the EU hoping that creating these purely muslim sates would appease the muslim world? Now the western citizens of Europe can feel on their own skin what the Greeks, the Serbs, the Armenians, the Jews, and all the unfortunate people who live in close proximity to the muslims have been experiencing for centuries. The "western powers" have set the scene, and now we're all going to face the consequences.
One cannot truly begin to get even a modicum of understanding of the sensibilities of the Muslimah, until one has spent time in Dar Al Islam.
It requires yet another book and author to describe properly.
It is, however, quite interesting that her husband
"sent her an MP3 sound file minutes before killing himself but thinking it would be a song, she did not listen to it. Only when Abdulwahab's sister called to alert her to the news did she hear the recording -- his suicide message."
What beautiful, crystalline, poetic justice that this brainless droid has to live with the awful truth of Western Technology from now until her miserable, fat death in Riyadh!! They should put MP3 on her headstone. Oh yeah, that's right - they burn most of the bodies in the ME.
In short, I have no sympathy whatsoever for the b**ch!
"London", not "Riyadh", I meant. sorry.
Soon there's not going to be much difference between Riyadh and London. Pamela Geller is right --- UK is the first country in the EU that's going to be conquered by jihad. I hoped it would be Germany. After all, they've always been in alliance with the Turks and have excellent trade relations with the Middle Eastern muslim countries, so they deserve each other.
Do not wish Islamisation upon any Infidel country anywhere. Each and every country we might lose, would make dar al Harb - the collectivity of non-Muslim peoples - that much smaller and weaker.
Pray, instead, that Germany, and the UK, and every other country in dar al Harb that is currently threatened by jihad, will wake up in time, take the necessary action - including disentangling themselves from deeply unhealthy relationships with Muslim entities - and save themselves.
I see small glimmerings of hope in the dark.
England has now got the EDL. Very brave lads, who are refusing to lie down and give up.
Germany includes Thilo Sarrazin and Rene Stadtkewisz who has just founded his 'Freedom Party', and Susanne Zeller-Hirzel, last surviving member of the White Rose, who in great old age has recognised and as a member of Pax Europa (an anti-Islamisation human rights group) is opposing the new totalitarianism, Islam.