These troops are reacting to manifest realities, but they will probably be made the targets of "sensitivity training" by their politically correct, willfully ignorant superiors. "German Troops Admit Fears Over Partnering With Afghan Soldiers," from German Radio, February 23 (thanks to Twostellas):
The bodies of three German soldiers killed in northern Afghanistan last week by an Afghan colleague have been flown home. The attack has led to fears over the safety of 'partnering' German and Afghan soldiers.The three soldiers were flown back to Germany on Monday. They had been part of a partnering protect set up by the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in which the Bundeswehr works closely with Afghan army and police units.
The soldier, from the Afghan National Army, opened fire on German troops inside a base in Baghlan province on Friday, killing the three soldiers and wounding six others. The shooting occurred as the soldiers were carrying out maintenance on a vehicle; the attacker had apparently been part of their group and entered the compound with the German soldiers.
The ISAF established the "partnering" strategy last year in an effort to prepare Afghans to take charge of security in their country after 2014. It called for joint patrols and jointly conducted missions against the Taliban.
It was the first time that German soldiers were targeted within the framework of ISAF's partnering project. But several British and American military instructors have also been killed in Southern Afghanistan by members of Afghan security forces while on partnering operations over the past two years.
Worst attack on Bundeswehr in a year
The incident has shocked German troops in Afghanistan. Several German soldiers have been quoted anonymously on the Spiegel Online website as saying they were wary of their Afghan colleagues and no longer wanted to work with them. "We are expected to train them, but they regard us as infidels who shouldn't be in their country in the first place," said one soldier....
To minimize the obvious risk, Friesendorf said, prospective Afghan soldiers should be more carefully vetted before being given a uniform and, more importantly, a weapon....
But vetted for what? And how?
The German researcher pointed out that partnering also requires cultural sensitivity and understanding on the part of the international forces. He said it was different from simply being a combat soldier: "In Afghanistan, it is important to make sure that trainees do not lose face. That means if someone doesn't know how to handle a weapon, or acts inappropriately, the partner should take that person aside and tell him, face to face, without his colleagues being able to overhear the conversation."That might be asking too much. One German officer told Spiegel Online that he thought the partnership wouldn’t work. "The chemistry between them and us simply doesn't work," he said.
Training the Afghans is necessary and possible, he added. But rather than using soldiers from the West and America, it would be preferable if they were from countries where the cultural differences aren’t as great. "I am certain that Turkish soldiers would be better equipped," he said....
And slightly more Islamic.
Yes, and I notice that Afghani "translators" are often with Canadian troops when the roadside bombs go off - I have long suspected the "translators" to be tipping off the bombers and/or deliberately leading the troops into traps.
This has got to be the first time in history when an enemy we were warring with was so trusted. How stupid has humanity really gotten? Or is it just human-worship gone totally mad?
Training the Afghans is necessary and possible...
No it's not...Training Afghans in better ways to kill you is an elective...And a rather stupid one at that...The US has been training these guys for nine years...and they still can't be trusted...Maybe those intellectual giants who come up with bright ideas like 'partnering' need to go back to the drawing board...or better yet, get out of town...
Why not remove all Infidel peacekeeping troops from Afghanistan - German, Brit, American, Canadian, et al and replace them w/ Muslim peacekeeping troops from our much touted 'Allies'! Like Turkey is still a part of NATO, and what's more, countries like Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, and Bosnia/Herzegovina are in talks w/ NATO to enhance their partnership w/ the alliance. So ask these 4 countries to send as many troops as they can to Afghanistan to help maintain peace b/w the Taliban and others.
Enough w/ putting Western troops in harm's way!
Afghan "colleague"? WTF? No Agfhan should be considered a colleague or even a friend. They are enemies until they all surrender or die.
How ironic that in his initial videos bin Landen blamed the West for forsaking Afghanistan and its children in its poverty.
Because Islam makes a continuous claim of religious legitimacy, Islam, as a system, can rely on a huge, unpaid, unseen, unorganized, individually acting, empowered to act, widely distributed group of highly motivated devout believers who are willing to kill in order to keep Islam the way it is. And no one knows who these killers are.
Read it all at http://islamsfatalflaw.blogspot.com/
Was it Hugh Fitzgerald, Artemis Gordon Gliddein or Jerry Gordon who once brought up, at New English Review, the fact that no US serviceman was ever killed in Japan or West Germany while helping those countries be rebuilt?
There is some food for thought on the utter pointlessness of nation-building in Dar al-mahoundistan...
The German researcher pointed out that partnering also requires cultural sensitivity and understanding on the part of the international forces.
Right! Had the troops been made aware of the teaching of kuran: "we smile to their (infidel's) faces, but hate them in our heart", or: "Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you" and other moslem cultural refinements they would have kept wary eye on these "allies" and shoot the treacherous bastards at the first sight of a smile.
And then when back home drag the "researcher" to the first plane leaving for Afghanistan and let him, armed with his "cultural sensitivity" and in fancy lady clothes, do some "boy dancing" for Afghani troops. If he is blond and not too old he may buy some time before the moslem culture kicks in and he is (culturally, of course) slaughtered.
"The chemistry between them and us simply doesn't work," he said.
There is no "chemistry" between free men and slaves (of Allah).
"I am certain that Turkish soldiers would be better equipped," he said....
Sorry. They're busy:
http://rubinreports.blogspot.com/2011/02/turkey-to-train-syrias-army.html
..."A pro-regime Turkish newspaper reports that the Turkish army will start training the Syrian army.
Yes, that's right. A NATO member is going to train the army of a country allied with Iran, at war with Israel, recently caught trying to build a nuclear weapons' facility, sponsoring terrorists in Iraq that kill Americans, and being the patron of Hamas and Hizballah.
Might there be a problem here?..."
but they regard us as infidels who shouldn't be in their country in the first place
Sounds like a plan to me. Just leave them to shoot it out among themselves. I can't see that we have actually achieved anything. I find it hard to distinguish between Karzai and the taleban.
del wrote: "Yes, that's right. A NATO member is going to train the army of a country allied with Iran, at war with Israel, recently caught trying to build a nuclear weapons' facility, sponsoring terrorists in Iraq that kill Americans, and being the patron of Hamas and Hizballah."
This is why I believe the Fox News crowd often has its collective head up its rear. During the run-up to the Iraq War, righties denigrated France for not supporting us, even though they were proven right. Bush the Younger, and now Obama, declared that we have a special relationship with Britain, even though it is (and has been) the EU country agitating the loudest for the EU to admit Turkey. France and Germany, on the other hand, do not want Turkey to join. Bush the Younger and Obama both pushed vigorously for Turkey to join the EU. Obama is not great friends with Merkel or Sarkozy, even though they clearly share our interests with respect to Islamists. Der Spiegel noted (see URL below) that Obama lacks an emotional bond to Europe, having spent his youth in Indonesia and in Hawaii.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,731645,00.html
http://saucymugwump.blogspot.com/2010/12/wikileaks-friend-of-common-man.html
The bodies of three German soldiers killed in northern Afghanistan last week by an Afghan colleague have been flown home. The attack has led to fears over the safety of 'partnering' German and Afghan soldiers.
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Some common sense—or at least a sense of self-preservation—from the Germans here.
More:
The German researcher pointed out that partnering also requires cultural sensitivity and understanding on the part of the international forces. He said it was different from simply being a combat soldier: "In Afghanistan, it is important to make sure that trainees do not lose face. That means if someone doesn't know how to handle a weapon, or acts inappropriately, the partner should take that person aside and tell him, face to face, without his colleagues being able to overhear the conversation."
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What absolute crap. You would assume from reading this that Muslim teaching methods are gentle and respectful, unlike those of the crude Westerners.
*Nothing* could be further from the truth. Children in Madrasses are regularly beaten, abused, and exploited—as are soldiers in every Muslim army.
What this idiot "German researcher" means is that *no Infidel* may cause a Muslim to "lose face" without risking "revenge" from that Muslim.
More:
"We are expected to train them, but they regard us as infidels who shouldn't be in their country in the first place," said one soldier....
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This soldier has a much better understanding of the situation that do his commanders.
I just know I am going to receive comments about how Bush the Younger never pushed for Turkey to join the European Union. For those people with short memories, read the following articles. In the first one, note how 'W' "called on the European Union to accept Turkey as a member and so expose the myth of the 'clash of civilizations' between Christianity and Islam."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1465846/Bush-says-Turkey-must-be-allowed-its-place-in-EU.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2564339.stm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/02/AR2006100200101.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/01/08/idUSN08496498
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22552742/ns/world_news-europe/
Turkey will never be allowed to join the EU. France and Germany know what the affect would be on immigration. Cameron sadly seems to be following the Religion of P*ss line if the BBC are to be believed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12555908
He said he was making a distinction between Islam "one of the world's great religions" which was "peacefully observed by over a billion people" and a "very politicised extreme form of Islamism" which promoted conflict between Muslims and the rest of the world.
He seems to be asleep at the wheel.
Turkey will never be allowed to join the EU. France and Germany know what the affect would be on immigration. Cameron sadly seems to be following the Religion of Peas line if the BBC are to be believed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12555908
He said he was making a distinction between Islam "one of the world's great religions" which was "peacefully observed by over a billion people" and a "very politicised extreme form of Islamism" which promoted conflict between Muslims and the rest of the world.
He seems to be asleep at the wheel.
Give them--The Afghan soldiers--one bullet each , like Andy did to Barney Fife.
mugwump,
Actually it was Barry Rubin who wrote that. I quoted him by cutting and pasting, and I used quotation marks. But I do agree with him, and am glad that you do as well.
If you think many or most Jihadwatch readers are soft on Turkey, you would be mistaken, I believe -- nor did nor do most readers here blindly follow Bush and Obama in their support for Turkey's entry into the EU.
Perhaps that is why you didn't receive any response along the lines of your, "I just know I am going to receive comments about how Bush the Younger never pushed for Turkey to join the European Union."
The German troops might appreciate this little clip:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/02/05/tough-love-us-soldier-chews-out-iraqi-police/comment-page-2/#comments
A snake is a snake is a snake. The only thing that can be changed in this situation is the stupidity of us putting up with elite leaders who are doing this ON PURPOSE. NO ONE can possibly be this stupid. It HAS to be deliberate. We need to pull ALL our support, money, troops, investments, EVERYTHING out of the Muslim countries. Let them kill each other off. And get Mayor like Bloomberg who are heavily invested in Islamic businesses OUT OF OFFICE!!! This is all sheer insanity.
"got some RVN rifles, never been fired, only dropped once"
"private "cowboy", stanley kubrick's "full metal jacket"
I wonder how long it will take these returning German military men to figure out there is no salient difference between these untrustworthy Afghans and the Turks and others resident in Germany.
Trusting them is just plain impossible.
{^_^}
Amen, Brother!
You "vet" them by choosing only Aphgans who have had a male relative killed by the mohammedans. Then, have them tattoo "Sat Cong" on their chests. That assures they will fight to the death rather than allow themselves to be captured and executed. Whoops, that was 40 years ago, BUT it still applies. Privates, sergeants and Lieutenants STILL don't trust our allies and survive because of that distrust. Army programs would be MUCH more effective if company grade troops trusted allies, BUT, many more of our troops would be killed by our allies. The enemy we are warring with is NOT trusted, not by the troops in the trenches. And forget about Turkish troops. They are marvelous fighters, BUT heavily infiltrated by our mohammedan enemies. Let Turkey into OUR wars and they will join the opposition. AND, in the end, all WESTERN deaths would be WASTED, because WASHINGTON, DC, shall lose THIS war, as WASHINGTON, DC, lost Vietnam. AFTER 58 THOUSAND American deaths. Washington is ruled by politicians, not experienced warlords.