An Ahmadi Muslim writes a guest column in the Washington Post claiming to delineate moderate Muslim theology, but in reality, he just throws more sand in our eyes. "Will the real moderate Muslims please stand up?," by Qasim Rashid in the Washington Post, February 2:
Critics like Robert Spencer claim Islam allows Muslims to engage in taqiyya, i.e. treachery against non-Muslims. However, the Quran unequivocally forbids lying or hiding the truth and Prophet Muhammad instructed, "It is obligatory for you to tell the truth."
Gee, where did I get such a crazy idea? Just all in a day's work for a greasy Islamophobe, eh? Well, let's see. Qur'an 3:28 warns believers not to take unbelievers as "friends or helpers" (َأَوْلِيَا -- a word that means more than casual friendship, but something like alliance), "unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them." This is a foundation of the idea that believers may legitimately deceive unbelievers when under pressure. The word used for "guard" in the Arabic is tuqātan (تُقَاةً), the verbal noun from taqiyyatan -- hence the increasingly familiar term taqiyya.
Ibn Kathir says that the phrase Pickthall renders as "unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them" means that "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers" may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda' said, 'We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.' Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, 'The Tuqyah [taqiyya] is allowed until the Day of Resurrection." While many Muslim spokesmen today maintain that taqiyya is solely a Shi'ite doctrine, shunned by Sunnis, the great Islamic scholar Ignaz Goldziher points out that while it was formulated by Shi'ites, "it is accepted as legitimate by other Muslims as well, on the authority of Qur'an 3:28." The Sunnis of Al-Qaeda practice it today.
Also, there is Muhammad's statement, "war is deceit." He also allowed for lying in battle and between a husband and wife. And when he gave permission to one of his followers, Muhammad bin Maslama, to murder one of his critics, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, he also gave Muhammad bin Maslama permission to lie to Ka'b in order to lure him close enough to be killed.
And Muhammad is the "excellent example of conduct" for Muslims (Qur'an 33:21).
So why is the Washington Post lying about lying in Islam?
The enemy of my enemy, is my friend.
The "hole-y" Quran says all kinds of nice things, and then abrogates them in the next chapter!
Ahmadi Muslim = Muslim space cadet
These guys are New Age types. Spaced out and in denial about the violence their false prophet inspires. They are often persecuted by the militant fundamentalists and accused of not even being Muslims
Ahmadi are so arrogant that they presume to speak for all Islam. The Jihadists and killers take the militant and murderous Koran verses to heart and run with them. And as someone noted, those verses are superior to and abrogate the earlier verses which were more peaceful. Which are the ones the Ahmadi like better
Speaking of Taqiyya:
Muslims seek change in their Hollywood story
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
02/02/2011 22:16
A Muslim advocacy group in the US is trying to build a more positive picture of its religion on the screen.
After years of watching Muslims portrayed as terrorists in mainstream TV and movies, an advocacy group hopes to change that image by grooming a crop of aspiring Muslim screenwriters who can bring their stories — and perspective — to Hollywood.
The Muslim Public Affairs Council is hosting a series of workshops taught by Emmy-winning and Oscar-nominated veterans over the next month, an initiative that builds on the group's outreach for a more representative picture of Muslim-Americans on the screen......
http://www.jpost.com/ArtsAndCulture/Entertainment/Article.aspx?id=206432
Ah, but you see Mr Spencer, you are not absolutely flawlessly fluent in Classical Arabic, unlike every non-arabic, caucasian muslim apologist who... Oh, wait...
But! Not only do you not speak Classical Arabic, you also get your "knowledge" from fringe thinkers who do not represent the peaceful muslim majority. Everyone who is anyone knows you get all of your information from outerspace!
But all joking aside, would the WP give Mr Spencer the chance to rebut the scurrilous claims of this islamic supremacist? Lying is quite a charge to levy against someone; at least, it used to be.
Here is his e-mail.
qasim@qasimrashid.com
And his Twitter.
http://twitter.com/QasimRashid
In case any fine listeners wish to engage him in reasonable debate regarding his taqiyya about taqiyya.
An Ahmadi trying to cover up for the mainstream muslims ? Not only is muslim persecution of Ahmadiyyahs happening in Dar ul Islam, its now happening in the West, eg. UK. He defends them but one day they will eat him alive. Go on, keep feeding the crocodile.
The war is comming closer. Playing good defense is not going to reverse this trend. Our President is NOT on our side on this one.
Muslims tell lies on top of lies, and then more lies on top of that, so that many Muslims actually end up believing that the current lie they're conveying isn't a lie at all. It can be very confusing after all, now can't it?
Inveterate liars, and Islam produces them in bunches, lie so much, even to themselves, that I think many Muslims are abolutely convinced of their sincerity when they pontificate (how's this for a politically incorrect word to describe Muslim pronouncements---rivals a word like "crusade," no?) about their religion. As Mark Twain said, if you're going to be a good liar, you have to have a good memory. Many Muslims do, but then many Muslims don't. Really, I don't care anymore to make the attempt to deciper which do and which don't since all of Islam is a lie.
As for the folks who run the Washington Post, many there still think that Richard Nixon was a greater threat to American liberties by far than Islam ever will be. That's how out of touch they are. Dumb world.
That's "decipher" and not "deciper." And to think I was pretty good at spelling when in the sixth grade. Well, it's been all downhill since then.
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Thank you on behalf of all of us Mr. Spencer.
Sir, you did a great job on Eric Bolling's FOX NEWS earlier. If allowed more time, (i.e. less time from the Dr.) more people would be brought to see the light.
Another positive is that a mere few years ago our side would never have been heard.
Please keep up your superb work.
Stay the course.
Stay safe.
WE ARE AT WAR!
Taquiyya about Taquiyya...
Cinematically, this notion is a reel good analog to a hall of mirrors. But, if that is so, then with endless views of themselves, why don't Moslems see themselves as the rotten people they are. You know, a little self-examination is a good thing once in awhile.
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Surely the Infidels strive to deceive Allah, and He shall requite their deceit to them.
Here we go with the same old thing: the Infidels started it and to protect themselves the poor Moslems are forced to answer in kind.
Helps the progress of the Cause, too. Moslems are the only people who take boastful pride in being pathological liars.
Kinda like the staff at the WaPo.
see what I mean about offshoots of islam.. they can't help but defend mohammad any which way they can..
Ah Universalism...
Also, if one has complaints about the WP telling lies then you can contact their ombudsman here.
ombudsman@washpost.com
Muslims tell lies on top of lies, and then more lies on top of that, so that many Muslims actually end up believing that the current lie they're conveying isn't a lie at all. It can be very confusing after all, now can't it?
There's this dude I know, a real bigshot, physicist, mathematician, silicon designer, business man, a very smart man. He told me the reason he had never lied as an adult was because he couldn't think clearly if he had to keep track of all the lies. When he got caught lying as a boy, his mind became consumed with tracking the lies he told, so he thout it would be easier to tell the truth and take the consequences.
This man, you might have guessed, was a Judeo-Christian born in London and raised in Paris.
As for the folks who run the Washington Post, many there still think that Richard Nixon was a greater threat to American liberties by far than Islam ever will be. That's how out of touch they are. Dumb world.
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EPA? just sayin..
wildjew-
Here's just the thing for Hollywood, based on actual Islamic documents.
FADE IN-
EXT. ARABIA. AN OASIS. DAY. 610 A.D.
MOHAMMAD, the 57 year old prophet of Islam, is getting frisky with his 9 year old bride AYESHA, chasing her around a palm tree. She drops her doll in the scamble to elude him.
MOHAMMAD
(wheezing)
Hold still you sexy little scamp! You've started menstruating and now its time to fulfill your duty to Allah and consummate our marriage!
AIYESHA
(ducking behind the palm tree)
But I just want to play with my dolls!
MOHAMMAD
(tricks her)
Okay, my newly nubile little desert vixen, you can enjoy your toys.
(pretends to turn to leave)
AIYESHA
(retrieves her doll)
Come to Mama...
MOHAMMAD
(turns back and snatches her up)
Hah! Come to Papa!
AIYESHA
(screams)
No! My dollie!
MOHAMMAD
(lasciviously)
You're my 'dollie' now!
CAMERA PANS- FOLLOWING MO CARRYING AIYESHA INTO HIS TENT.
AYESHA (O.S.)
No! Please! No!
FADE TO VERY BLACK
I don't think the Washington Post, taken in the aggregate, is a liar and so contacting them about lying would be fruitless. The real problem with WaPo is delusion, not mendacity. And how in the hell do you effectively convey to a delusional person or group that they're delusional? See the problem? I have a sneaking suspision that you don't.
Yet again a spelling mistake? "Suspision" rather than "suspicion." Oh brother. Going fast.
Profit, I dig your cinematic vision. Could you please expand joe ouvrealso cover the sex action between the two during the time period of 6 yrs old through 8 yrs old?
You know, the scriptures say that he was in bed with that little tyke all day even before the penile penetration on her 9th birthday. Doing what, you axe? Messing around is what. Thus was born the sex act of thighing.
Not sure of your point, grungyoldvan. Yes, the EPA was established under Nixon, but are you contending that this was a mistake? If so, I'm sympathetic. I want a clean environment to be sure but a huge federal bureaucracy trying to establish such, and being beholden to spurious environmental theories, none more ridiculous that Al Gore's global warming nonsense, is not, I would contend, the way to go.
Muhammad tells Muslims to conceal their sins
For example in Sahih al-Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection:
Volume 8, Book 73, Number 95:
Like dominoes. Cognitive impairment is like that. The ability to distinguish between homonyms and ad hominems goes first, coupled with an inability to make distinctions at all; euphoric forgetfulness, happy delirium and total physical and psychic collapse follow. I don't precisely know what that all means, but I think you call it being on the Nile--ur, umm, being in denial.
What is Taqiyya?
"However, the Quran unequivocally forbids lying or hiding the truth and Prophet Muhammad instructed, "It is obligatory for you to tell the truth.""
^ THIS is taqiyya! ^
Robert, when I was a stupid Islam's believer, we were lied to about the Arabic Mohammed by every religious teacher - he was supposed to be God-like! My foot! I never knew Mohammed was a pedophile rapist of children, robber, slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls) and mass murderer of the Jews. And Mohammed's image was not to be visualize - now, I much suspect because he's either very evil ugly-looking or had skin disease (probably punishment from the (true) God for his evilness incluidng his evil lust after children and women!
Islam - a faith for NO seasons........
There is taqiyya and then there is pure BS.
Check this out: http://muslimvillage.com/2010/09/02/all-terrorists-are-muslims-except-the-99-6-that-arent/
Here's an excerpt.
"The results are stark, and prove decisively that not all terrorists are Muslims. In fact, a whopping 99.6% of terrorist attacks in Europe were by non-Muslim groups; a good 84.8% of attacks were from separatist groups completely unrelated to Islam. Leftist groups accounted for over sixteen times as much terrorism as radical Islamic groups. Only a measly 0.4% of terrorist attacks from 2007 to 2009 could be attributed to extremist Muslims."
A variation of the Mark Twain quote: "If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything."
Works for me. What was it I just said?
(Reminds me of a joke about failing memory with the passing years: When you find a suppository behind your ear, you know where you put your hearing aid.)
It's ironic that this Ahmadi Muslim would resort to taqiyya to claim moderation, because of all the sects of Islam, Ahmadi may actually hold a genuine claim of moderation. It's therefore its no coincidence that Ahmadis are officially not recognized as Muslims in most Muslim countries including where Ahmadism originated in Pakistan. They are banned from visiting Mecca as a result of this.
Mohammeds okaying of lying to infidels is one of the reasons I find allowing Muslims to swear on the koran to tell the truth in court so terribly amusing.
Wait doesn't it say in the koran or maybe one of the Hdiths that Allah is the best deciever?
Its a shame non of you actualy know what tiqyya its the 2 expetions of telling the truth wicth are
1 its okay during a war
2 to make your wife feel good
A example of the first was when mohamad and his follower were inside the city state of mecca, then they where under attack by the local jews they were out numbered 3 to 1. All of islam was going to be wiped out. But mohamad went to his general and said "do what you can to stop the seige" but he responed witch proves muslims are uasuly truthfull "but that would require me to lye" mohamad then said "war is deceit" and they where able to save islam
A example of the 2cnd is in the case where a women asks you if she looks fat in her dress... trust me she does but since your muslim you may say "why yes its your most butifull dress"
An Ahmadi trying to cover up for the mainstream muslims ? Not only is muslim persecution of Ahmadiyyahs happening in Dar ul Islam, its now happening in the West, eg. UK. He defends them but one day they will eat him alive. Go on, keep feeding the crocodile.
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It is the Islamic version of Stockholm Syndrome and
it is called...............Stockholm Syndrome.
From now on, when they blow the Shofar on the Jewish
New Year (Rosh Hashanah) in the Temple, I am going to
sing "Taqiyyah" instead of the standard usual "Tikkiyah"..
PROFIT !
You forgot the IMPORTANT part ! The background music !
77 MANLY virgins ululating in rythym to the beat
of the Mahoundian defilement..
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FADE IN-
EXT. ARABIA. AN OASIS. DAY. 610 A.D.
MOHAMMAD, the 57 year old prophet of Islam, is getting frisky with his 9 year old bride AYESHA, chasing her around a palm tree. She drops her doll in the scamble to elude him.
MOHAMMAD
(wheezing)
Hold still you sexy little scamp! You've started menstruating and now its time to fulfill your duty to Allah and consummate our marriage!
AIYESHA
(ducking behind the palm tree)
But I just want to play with my dolls!
MOHAMMAD
(tricks her)
Okay, my newly nubile little desert vixen, you can enjoy your toys.
(pretends to turn to leave)
AIYESHA
(retrieves her doll)
Come to Mama...
MOHAMMAD
(turns back and snatches her up)
Hah! Come to Papa!
AIYESHA
(screams)
No! My dollie!
MOHAMMAD
(lasciviously)
You're my 'dollie' now!
CAMERA PANS- FOLLOWING MO CARRYING AIYESHA INTO HIS TENT.
AYESHA (O.S.)
No! Please! No!
FADE TO VERY BLACK
.."Its a shame non of you actualy know what tiqyya its the 2 expetions of telling the truth wicth are
1 its okay during a war
2 to make your wife feel good"
And if all of your wives are nine years old it's called kidman right? Then after they get older and fatter you're allowed to threaten and beat them or kill them until they do lose weight or have to wear a burqa to cover up their fatness (fatwa?) and that's called taqiiya right?
1.BIG EXCEPTION that swallows THE RULE--when isn't the Umma at war, DOI?
2.TRY MAKING AMENDS with your wife with lies while she sees right through you, Smoothtalker.
/demented sillyness--cognitive impairment
http://schnellmann.org/taqiyyah.html
(video) 03:00 TWO faces to the West … 03:45 Quran 3:28
Tafsir Ibn Kathir (3 Al'imran) THE greatest Quran commentator — “… believers are allowed to show friendship outwardly
but NEVER INWARDLY...
..Oh ok.(after having thought this over)You lie to your wife/wives,and that's called "taqiiyya"..then if in war you can lie to your adversary,but just at (or during)that time too?
thats only the case when an indivisual is fighting a war not for every citizen in a muslim country. its a matter of self defence
An illustration is our "alliance" with Saudi Arabia. They pretend to be our allies if we look the other way as they support global jihad financially and politically and while they enable the drug trafficking into the U.S. Saudi Arabia's role in the global jihad has been the political arm that holds back the West. It is the figure-head for distributing oil to the West, even as it uses those oil-funds to conquer the West for Islamic rule.
"Moderate" Muslims are being labeled as "peaceful" as if they agree with the standard of law in the U.S. (reasonableness) instead of the rule of Allah as dictated by Mohammad (who, historically, was illiterate). Islam means submission. Muslims are required to submit to Sharia, which enforces Islamic principles. For example, all Muslims are required under Sharia to support any "legal" (under Sharia) fatwas/jihad, which basically just means declared legal by an Imam, either financially, violently, or passively. Passive is not peaceful. Passive is like seeing an IED being planted in a road and then walking away when a U.S. patrol comes down the road (our troops have learned to gauge such "civilian" actions/reactions). Passive is not the same thing as peaceful.