11-year-old brutally murdered by jihadists: "Love everyone"

PrayerAboveYoavsBed.jpg


"That I be gracious and merciful in the eyes of all who see me." And the death-loving barbarians who loudly insist that their bloodthirsty god is gracious and merciful slaughtered him in his bed.

"11-Year-Old Yoav's Legacy: 'Love Everyone,'" by Chana Ya'ar for Israel National News, March 16 (thanks to Amber):

First responders who rushed into the blood-drenched bedroom of 11-year-old Yoav Fogel last Friday night were confronted with a sight that nearly stopped them in their tracks.

A colorful little wooden plaque hung above the slain young boy's bed, proclaiming his love for his people and a prayer for peace between all.[...]

May it be Your will, L-rd G-d and G-d of our forefathers,

That I love every one of Israel as myself, and

To graciously perform the positive commandment of loving your neighbor as yourself.[...]

That I be gracious and merciful in the eyes of all who see me.[...]

Along with his 4-year-old brother Elad and his new little baby sister, 3-month-old Hadas, Yoav and both of his parents were stabbed to death by terrorists who murdered them as they slept....

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God is Love.

The man who says he loves God and who hates his brother and his neighbor is a liar.

These killers have the Void for their god and a Liar and Deceiver as their father.

If the mass murder of the Fogel family doesn't break through the all the thick Infidel skulls out there, nothing will. This is just the type of salacious crime that our news entertainers tell us they must cover.

*** 33:60 - ***

Truly, if the Infidels stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbors for any length of time. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy, a fierce slaughter - murdered, a horrible murdering.

The slaughter of the Fogel family was indeed fierce and horrible. Just as commanded in the Ko-Ran.

Better still, the Moslem Activists murdered the Fogels while they slept, just as the Companions did with Abu Afak and Asma Marwan back in the early days of Islam.

This one really hurts. I call on the UN to de-certify Islam as a religion.

Born as a Jew, you are a death enemy of Islam!

The sadist Allah: 8:12 + 47:4 "smite above their necks" beheading with a knife/sword

I saw the pictures of these murdered children. Just sick. The little 4 year old had about 5 stab wound in his chest. Heartbreaking.

What kind of bloodthirsty god is Allah to demand the blood of innocents to glorify himself?
Islam is not a religion, it's psychological condition that warps the person it possesses and makes them sick.

How sad and how deranged Muslims are. Where is the outrage? They hand out candy instead. They are morally bankrupt.

Muslims are good at killing children, it's one of the few things they do really well.

And yet despite this loathsome human sacrifice to Moloch (aka Allah), there are still Jews protesting against 'Islamophobia' at Victory mosque counterdemonstrations. Presumably one holocaust wasn't enough .

Similarly, there are still gays sufficiently guilt-ridden by their sexuality that they feel that they deserve to be stabbed and beaten to pulp by self-righteous Muslim thugs, and there are still leftard parents of all backgrounds who put their Marxist dogma before the future freedom and survival of their children.

WTF is wrong with all these suicidal lemmings? Surely they can see what's coming? Why do they stay in denial?

Islam can be stopped, but only if we act quickly and decisively. Ten more years and we'll be past the point of no return.

Alarmed Pig Farmer said...

If the mass murder of the Fogel family doesn't break through the all the thick Infidel skulls out there, nothing will.

I know you are keenly aware of this, so I write for others besides you, most people will not hear of this horrible outrage. The media from which most get their information just won't give it the light of day.

Semi-OT: A great essay on the Fogel murders was posted today at NRO.com by Andrew McCarthy.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/262229/why-they-celebrate-murdering-children-andrew-c-mccarthy

Alarmed Pig Farmer said...

If the mass murder of the Fogel family doesn't break through the all the thick Infidel skulls out there, nothing will.

I know you are keenly aware of this, so I write for others besides you. Most of the infidels will not hear of this horrible outrage and will continue in their blindness. The media from which most get their information just won't give it the light of day.

Makes one feel so hopeless for humankind.

Many thanks to Robert Spencer and Jihad Watch

A new skyline is about to be set in Europe with Saudi Arabian
money. Robert Spencer represent the last line of defence for
the for the world as we know it. Unless we wake up it will be
to late. How can then the leaders of the world be forgiven,
when the road to Jerusalem is closed for good, and the source
of forgivness is long gone?

Greetings from Norway.

The media from which most get their information just won't give it the light of day.

And that is the central problem, Beach.

, I feel strongly that military retaliation is the best solution.

The Palestinians don't value the life of their children. They teach them to love death and kill other children.

The Israelis should be good neighbors and teach the Palestinians what it means to have and love a kid. I mean, they're dumb and morally bankrupt, they need a
lesson!

So 500 Palestinian households bombed for every innocent life brutally murdered.

Are they civillians protected by military law when they celebrate or harbor terrorists? Should we give them those protections given this? How else can we defend ourselves? How else can we tell these bastards to stop?

If I was the president of Israel - me, a Christian Aramaic speaking Goy - all other Goys, terrorists or not, would learn to value of a single innocent Jews life.

mr exiled,

how many households do you propose should be bombed for every innocent life murdered but not brutally?

and which god would be pleased to see more death?

and which god likes revenge?

I think sounds more like you worship allah who loves death and revenge rather than Jesus who was killed and didn't take revenge.

if you were really a Christian you'd follow Jesus who, unlike mohammed, didn't wage any wars or have any adversaries killed.

I think Jesus may agree with you that they are dumb and morally bankrupt but I suspect the lesson he'd want them to learn is one of love not revenge and hatered?

If you were in charge of the early church I guess you'd have had Saul and 500 Jews killed in revenge before his damascus road converstion into St Paul?

sometimes, I think it is christians like you behaving nothing like Jesus (ie very badly) that creates the bastard child that is Islam.

maybe I'm wrong?... Any Christian readers like to venture what they think is a christian response?

I know if I was young and brave enough to be in the IDF, during the next retaliation, and i am sure it will be coming soon seeing the weapons heading that way. I doubt I could forget seeing what those animals have done and not being influenced by it while i was kicking in the door of a hamas terrorists home.

Moslums are cowards, because they pound on young babies/kids/women innocent bystanders : here is a proof "Along with his 4-year-old brother Elad and his new little baby sister, 3-month-old Hadas, Yoav and both of his parents were stabbed to death by terrorists who murdered them as they slept."

Each time you get to think they can't get lower than this, wow.. they keep proving you wrong. Islam wastes lives like no known virus on the planet earth. Islam is the mother of all viruses.

Hatred is part of islam, intertwined for eternity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu6Ond1ESq8

There isn't much to say to this.

The sad thing is, I can't say I am surprised in the least.

You asked:
"Any Christian readers like to venture what they think is a christian response?" knowing full well that a true Christian is handcuffed as far as revenge is concerned. It is not up to us to exact revenge but the prerogative of the Israelis themselves. That area is a damn mess where morals are necessarily bent so as to be immoral. And that is what it takes if Israel is to survive. Within Israel itself there is an arab minority that presents a longer term threat to Israel. Revenge on the 500? No, deport 5000 arabs from Irael for every innocent Israeli killed. Is it justice for those arab citizens deported? No. Moral? No. Humane? No. Survival? Yes.

The future of Israel and the West will be ugly in our actions to deal with the emergecy presented by the enemy within and shake us to our boots. The leftards, the second-guessers, and the squeamish need to step aside if they know what's good for them. If they don't, then we will all probably go down IMO.

We shouldn't be taking a knife to a gunfight.

When you've seen the color of Israel it is impossible to go back to the black and white of Islam.

I'm in me cups. WUI.

"Beck on Itamar Butchery: Stand in the Light because Evil Grows"

(5 min video)

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/142937




APF
Sadly you can expect little reporting of this in the MSM anywhere because it isn't an "event" worthy of report since only Israelis were killed.
Only "innocent" Muslims killed by the IDF are worthy of report - including those actually staged as a propaganda film session and totally untrue.
You said
"If the mass murder of the Fogel family doesn't break through the all the thick Infidel skulls out there, nothing will."

Totally agree EXCEPT that the general populace, and the politician, will not even be aware. THAT is the real problem. The MSM actively self censors anything which may portray Muslims badly and hypes up anything which portrays Israel badly. Sort of exposes the claim that the Jews control the MSM (and everything)
For the avoidance of doubt. I am a Christian bordering agnostic.For a time I actually hated Israel - until I further researched.

like you, exiled, i believe that the military option is the only valid option. all the rest is just talk, talk, talk. in other words, bullshit!

i believe that the military option should have NO RESTRICTIONS and 'collateral dammage' be damned!

i am sick of israel taking the high road time and again only to bury its sons and daughters.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
let there be a world outcry! big deal!
a single inimical action done by these subhuman pos, should be reason enough to evacuate and deport an entire village to jordan.

pokermutt is correct in stating that this may not be pretty but it is necessary for survival.

so, i cannot answer your question, exposesitlords, for i am not christian....
nonetheless, you ask how many households should be bombed?...
my answer is "as many as it takes!"

If you haven't chosen sides yet you're a coward.

That's pretty funny you would acuse me of worsening and creating problems like Islam. The Nestorian monk Bahira helped Mohammad in his schemes! Easy for you to Judge, considering your Christian brethren in Iraq aren't the crop of the Jihadic harvest, mine are.

I suppose if were going to go down... Let us keep our morals at least.

You are right and I retracty wrong and bloodthirsty comment.

Deporting them would be far more humane. You can't have a wolf on the sheep den.

Love is not just flattery, remember that. God punished us from the Garden of Eden out if Love; he showed us what is wrong and to prevent us from living in sin forever with the tree of life. A good neighbor does not flatter. Nor does he stand idly by whilst his innocent brethren are murdered.

exposeit:

Zephaniah 1:14:
"The great day (of reckoning) of Jehovah God is near . . .there is a hurrying of it very much"

Proverbs 5:16 "There are seven are things detestable to His (God's) soul:

lofty eyes, a false tongue; HANDS THAT ARE SHEDDING INNOCENT BLOOD; a heart fabricating hurtful schemes; feet that are in a hurry to run to badness; a false witness that launches forth lies; one sending forth contentions among brothers

Proverbs :19 "Do not show yourself heated up over evildoers ....for there will prove to be no future for anyone bad; the very lamp of wicked people will be extinguished

ROMANS 12:19 - "Do not avenge yourselves but yield place to wrath for it is written "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WIL REPAY" says Jehovah God

Jeremiah 15:15 "You O Jehovah God,turn your attention to me and (You) avenge me upon my persecutors"

Also read Psalms 94 about God and how he will avenge His followers from hurtful ones

These are just a few of the top of my head, there are more
pitiful
Its how muslims are convinced they must do the avenging for their pathetic weak false non-god allah, the true God of the Bible has acted on behalf of his servants countless times and will yet perform his greatest act of deliverance very soon .. his name YHWH means "I shall prove to be whom I shall prove to be" at the time He delivered His people from slavery in Egypt


Romans:

Learn from 1350 odd years of history, from the many resurgences of islam's muslims attempting to conquor Christianty and Judaism, and others. The only thing muslims fear or respond to is absolute brutal overwhelming force! Never in history have any solutions been found otherwise, that have been decisive.

They have no respect for goodness, disrespect weakness, and take advantage of any lack of resolution and decisiveness. Top Christians and others who have been succesful in beating them back into their box have known this, and so acted. Study the history of the wars of islam. It appears we will live history all over again, sooner or later.

Living the Christian or Judaic or other goodness ruled life is fine, and desirable, but wisdom of dreaded war needs be applied, when one's very ability to do so is fataly threatened! Particularly when war has been declared more than once by the enemy!

We are dealing with fundamental evil, the pure practice of hate and rage. A pure death cult, a pseudo religion, not a religion by any definition of the world. Only a pre-kindergartner would in simple minded pursuit refer to it as a religion, not anyone who studied the hadiths, sharia, and the medina koran! In islam, one finds only eternal darkness.

That is why they only respect resolute and decisive overwhelming force, which is why they turned and ran, in the wars defeating them. In the long run, that is all that has ever worked!

"God helps those who help themselves"

In WW2, we (America) nearly waited too late, one more year or perhaps as little as a half year, would likely have been too long to overcome Hitler's science of war progress. We won, decisevly, Thank God, but not at all easily. The pain was great, and it was against an evil risen by Hitler and the national socialist party of Germany, and the lack of wisdom and resolution of the German nation at the time.

We beat back nations and a concept, both.

Now the whole western world of freedom, again is under exceeding mortal attack, softly, relatively, at first, by stealth and deception, as did the Axis nations, start against us. Then outright physical war.

So far it is a concept of a far deeper pure deadly evil, that we are fighting. In time, that likely will change.

As Patton said fancifully or in reality, to the minister in the movie: "...Since you stand in good stead with The Lord, Prepare me a prayer, for Divine Intervention, to make the weather clear up, prior to the D-Day invasion..." The point being the time will come, as things are going, when such attitudes will be in order, once again.

11-year-old brutally murdered by jihadists: "Love everyone"
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I think the plaque over this young boy's bed says it all—*this* is the difference between the Fogel family and their savage murderer.

This is Yoav Fogel, murdered in that same bed. The plaque at the upper right over the bed is almost certainly the same one above:

WARNING WARNING WARNING VERY GRAPHIC—NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/Portals/0/110314_yoavfogel.jpg

Here's Yoav in the kitchen of his family's home, with his mother Ruth busy in the background, during happier times:

http://www.solomonia.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/fogel3.jpg

He looks like a sensitive boy—unlike the butcher who would murder him and his family

And they celebrated en mass in Gaza...the murder of innocents.

Mark Steyn has written on this subject and the details are even more gruesome then some reports I've read.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/262130/dead-jews-no-news-mark-steyn

I guess now that I see with more reason, my critics are correct; it is worse to live as a murderer or wrong person than to die with principles; that is the point of life; to live for a principle and if necessary die for it.

Yes, the Islamists may kill us and they may make slaughtered sheep out of us. But I say it is better to be the innocent one slaughtered than to join in the murdering.

War can still be justified, but it must always be conducted in a justified manner.

Nonetheless, if I saw any of my brethren, if I saw an innocent Jewish family or an atheist or any innocent person, I wouldn't hesitate to kill to defend, it's justified.

There's a difference between killing to save your own hide, and killing to save another life however.

How many islamic clerics have condemned this homicidal orgy and reiterated their hackneyed cliche: "Islam does not condone the murder of innocents"? I haven't heard any of islam's death merchants condemn these brutal murders because these people were not considered innocents, not even the babies. If Beslan didn't turn humanity against islam and muslim savages, why would this? In today's world, it seems that 'oppressed' muslims have been granted a license to murder, maim, behead, torture, blow up buildings and people, and are given air time to whine about their grievances and miserable lives as eternal victims, and to issue ominous threats of more carnage.

I hate islam. I hate it so much that I feel every muscle in my body become tense when I see a muslim or a picture of a muslim. I have to force myself to turn away and focus on something else because the revulsion is overwhelming. Civilized human beings do not murder innocent people and their children just because they are Jews.

It is difficult to accept that the murderers of this innocent family belong to the human race.

When you are defending your brothers and sisters, your neighbors, and your homeland, freedom, and the right to freely exercise goodness, and you face a godless merciless, unremitting deceptive nation (as they call themselves), and you are in an organized authorized official war against such, there is no shame in killing for such defense. That has always been accepted, with bitter regret, among the more civilized nations, but accepted, and necessary. It may seem wrong to some, but standing and watching butchery, literally and figuratively, for too long, is far more evil, than even the butchers.

Men who know freedom, cannot stand idly by, ever, to let butchers run free. We, America, largely Christian, and Judaic, stood for freedom with the regretted and unwanted, need to make war, to defend principle and persons and property, in our battles for original freedom from arbitrary dictatorial rule, rather than self-rule, against the evil of slavery, and for so many other sound reasons and principles.

No, we've never been perfect, but without our forefathers heroic sacrifices, resolution and decisiveness, none of you nor we whould have the freedom of the West, nor America to enjoy, and provide a largely good and bracing example, and backbone for freedom.

If Charles Pippin/Martel hadn't won the day at Poitier, beating back decisively the muslim hordes, we would not have likely had the chance to form America, even before the Revolution. Nor would Europe have remained largely Christian, it would have been black dark indeed, with islam. And if America hadn't made war against the evil Axis dictators, now we would have been all Nazis.

No, these are the absolute realities all must, must, never forget, no matter Christian or Judaic concepts, not ever! Enemies never give a choice! These are still the base realities of living, of being alive and free.

Even if we were not in freedom, we would still be living far worse and constantly fighting and butchering under islam, just as they do, daily. They have repeatedly shown there is no peace under islam, even when they are all muslims. That is a pure, primitive concept, which they are all about, and deriving, like archaic out of place and time dinosaurs, from practices of about 10,000 years before Christ, let alone before Judaism, from and through which we Christians grew, and owe.

The horror done to that Fogel family, must not long continue. It should never happen, but it did. That unforgivable act of eternal cowardice is the symbol of the heart of islam, the muslim cowards' butchering, slitting throats, of the innocents, the defensless, as in the movie, "Exodus", where the moving scene of Dove's body, with a slit throat, by the enemy, found by his girl friend, I have never forgotten, in vivid detail, after decades. I saw it while young, and never dreamed I would see what is now happening, the developing global filth of the concept of the cult of islam.

I can hear the Islam-apologists even now; "Do not tar all Muslims with the same brush" "This is only a tiny majority of extremists and you find extremists in all religions and with atheists" etc.

But it seems to me that the fault at least also and in part lies in the Islamic most important guiding texts. If they do not incite downright to hatred and violence, jihad and in general anti-democratic, egoistic behavior by Muslims, then still those texts are far too ambiguous, prone to misunderstanding, incomplete, self-contradictory, vague.

Moreover, the structure of Islam is such that no conditions are put on it's membership. Conditions, that are pro-democracy, pro-golden-rule, pro-human-rights. In such a way that membership of Islam is stripped of those who violate such conditions.

Moreover, Muslims are exhorted to be loyal to their Ummah, first and foremost.

And all sane adult Muslims should be held accountable, for Islam is not a race, but a life-choice, for choosing to remain in this unchanged huge, confused and confusing organisation. For choosing to remain adherents to such dangerous, ambiguous texts, that has this mixed influence, of good AND bad.

Muslims must be exhorted to apostasize, migrate out of democratic nations into Islamic ones, or to form a new branch of Islamic-democratic interpretation of the Holy texts, with clear democracy-neutral interpretations. With supreme loyalty to the essential concepts of Democracy and to Democratic Nations. And this exhortation is primarily to satisfy fair-minded neutral other citizens.

Failing that, Muslims should know, realise, that they have a huge problem with other citizens and are responsible for fixing it. By adjusting, apostasizing or seeking countries with laws they can be truly loyal or neutral to.

A wise man said that with the death of loved ones we should not try to FIND meaning, but try to GIVE meaning to it. Perhaps holding Muslims accountable for their confused faith, totally compromised membership-procedures, supreme loyalties and current interpretations of Islamic Holy Texts. And let them face the consequences of their choices.

Where would Muslims get the idea that it is morally acceptable to sneak into someone's house and slit their throats while they slept?

Why, from the holy, holy Qur'an, of course:

Qur'an 7:97 "Did the people of the towns feel secure against the coming of Our wrath by night while they were asleep? Or else did they feel secure against its coming in broad daylight while they played about (carefree)? Did they then feel secure against the Plan of Allah? But no one can feel secure from the Plan of Allah, except those (doomed) to ruin!"

And from the example of holy, holy Mohammad in the ahadith:

Ishaq 676 "'You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?' Upon hearing those lines Mohammad said, 'Will no one rid me of this woman?' Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet's wishes. That very night he crept into the writer's home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling babe and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Mohammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, 'You have helped Allah and His Apostle.' Umayr said, 'She had five sons, should I feel guilty?' 'No,' the Prophet answered. 'Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.'"

There's a toxic atmosphere of hate in here. I've read every one of Robert's books and others on the subject of violent jihad and Muslim crimes against humanity. In fact, I completely understand where the anger in here comes from and am not refuting any facts about contemporary, barbaric Islamism. But I know the way of hate clouds the mind's capacity to fight back effectively. Hate and anger are very limiting and they know it too. They count on it. To win this thing, we must remember that they are not our teachers.

Tears are dropping on my keyboard!
Reportedly, the killers were trained and funded by
US government. That makes US the MOTHER of all evil!
May the Fogel family rest in peace in the Buddha-land!!!!

I said:
"No, deport 5000 arabs from Irael for every innocent Israeli killed. Is it justice for those arab citizens deported? No. Moral? No. Humane? No. Survival? Yes."

We in the West live in a bowling alley. We roll the ball and knock down the pins (muslims). The machine sets up 10 more pins, over and over again. The demographic jihad within our own borders is unwinnable with our current ethics and institutions. We are in an emergency requiring emergency ethics and emergency actions. Our very survival depends on it. Deportation is the muslims greatest fear.

Public relations be damned, international opinion be damned when it comes to survival. Do as I say and it is a win/win for Israel and the West. Win1: Israel will become more arabless. Win2: more likely, the slaughter of the innocents will greatly decrease. While Israel takes the heat for such actions but survives, the rest of the West will ponder and come up with the same solution. It is the enemy and his tactics that should determine our tactics. Handcuffs off!

Idealists stand aside. It ain't gonna be pretty, but it will be prettier than the alternative.

lary9,

I disagree about your assessment of toxic hate here. There is an emotional response to actions beyond the comprehension and experience of most of us. Then there is there is the considered response taken after meditation.

I don't think we would be human in a good way (eg: loving, just, fair, generous, etc) if when confronted with children butchered we would not feel anger, hatred, and a desire to see the evildoers punished and prevented from doing such a thing again.

The candy giving and celebrations of the moslems only "radicalises" the likes of Exiled Assyrian-Chaldean whose ancestors and him have suffered greatly thanks to Islam.

Have you not noticed how moslems worry about the truth being spoken (eg mohammed was a paedophile, women have no rights in islam, etc) will radicalise and create terrorists and will make people hate islam and create a backlash against all the moslem victims in the west?

Have you further not noticed they never worry that their violence and terrorism will radicalise every one else in the world against them?

So if there is "a toxic atmosphere of hate here", who created it?

Indeed you know these things arise from Islam and its influence over actions.

In fact you are very wise in saying they are not our teachers and we should not be like them.

Mr exiled has also said very wise things like "better to be the innocent one slaughtered than to join in the murdering".

It seems to me that as others have pointed out in this thread we have, in the past, responded to military islamic attacks militarily and won, fortunately, thus preserving our civilisation.

The point is today that the goal and threat of Islam is the same as it has been for 1,500 years -> to kill us, take our possessions which they class women and children as, and begrudgingly convert some of us forcefully.

They realise that allah has willed the infidel to have a far superior military capability so they must use different tactics.

This is where we get stuck.

Some of us (eg j_not_a) believe God will ultimately act against those whose ways are evil.

Most of us think we should not become the same evil moslems are to resist and defend ourselves from them.

So how do we resist people who give out candy in celebration when a baby is knifed to death?

I have some suggestions:

1) Stop giving them food and money and help.
For those who believe vengeance is the Lord's, how can He have vengeance if we believe we must give charitable support to them? Must God deal with us so we can't support them in order to punish them? For those who don't follow God, why do you think we have an obligation to be charitable to those who see us as their enemy?

2) Stop moslems playing the victim card and put the self professed community leaders in the spot light. Pressure them to denounce these murders and others. They want to be in the public eye - well give them public presence and as we are not their unquestioning followers it's time to show respect to all the jihad murder victims by asking them difficult questions and expecting these leaders to condemn atrocities and religious bigotry and supremacism.

3) Realise if we are cowards today we will be dead tomorrow. We don't need to kill moslems - they kill themselves perfectly well without our help. We need to not fear being killed by them. If everyone showed solidarity with those the moslems target to kill for speaking out (or even just drawing a picture) could they kill us all?

4) Expect reciprocity for moslems. Banning sharia in legislatures is one thing. Not allowing mosques or community involvement and money until moslems have a working child protection policy (stopping imams buggering children) and stopping moslem bigotry (mosques will be closed for a period for every hate crime a member commits or woman threatened for not wearing a veil, etc). In a follow on from point (2), since imams love to be the leaders then summon them to give public account for their community's actions. Before they realise they will be held to account I'm sure they'd love the implied status of recognition as community leaders!

These are just some ideas when thinking about how to prevent my children having to worship allah without actually becoming evil like islam to resist islam....

You wrote:

"If Charles Pippin/Martel hadn't won the day at Poitier, beating back decisively the muslim hordes, we would not have likely had the chance to form America, even before the Revolution. Nor would Europe have remained largely Christian, it would have been black dark indeed, with islam."

And there were the Knights of St John of Malta; and then Don John of Austria at the Battle of Lepanto; and, finally, and magnificently, John Sobieski and the Winged Hussars of Poland, at the Gates of Vienna in 1683. (And the long slow war that freed Iberia of Muslims; and the struggles of the Bulgarians and the Greeks and the Serbs, shaking off the iron yoke of dhimmitude. Greece only became free in the 19th century, after having had Muslims trampling upon them for centuries).

For a riveting account of what it took -

an article about the Knights of St John, Malta, 1565.

History's bloodiest siege used human heads as cannonballs
By JAMES JACKSON.


In the Daily Mail, UK, 1:40am on 7th July 2007
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=466818&in_page_id=1770

EXCERPTS

'A hot and fetid June night on the small Mediterranean island of Malta, and a Christian sentry patrolling at the foot of a fort on the Grand Harbour had spotted something drifting in the water.

'The alarm was raised. More of these strange objects drifted into view, and men waded into the shallows to drag them to the shore. What they found horrified even these battle-weary veterans: wooden crosses pushed out by the enemy to float in the harbour, and crucified on each was the headless body of a Christian knight.

'This was psychological warfare at its most brutal, a message sent by the Turkish Muslim commander whose invading army had just vanquished the small outpost of Fort St Elmo - a thousand yards distant across the water.

'Now the target was the one remaining fort on the harbour front where the beleaguered, outnumbered and overwhelmed Christians were still holding out: the Fort St Angelo. The Turkish commander wished its defenders to know that they would be next, that a horrible death was the only outcome of continued resistance.

'But the commander had not counted on the mettle of his enemy - the Knights of St John. Nor on the determination of their leader Grand Master Jean Parisot de la Valette, who vowed that the fort would not be taken while one last Christian lived in Malta.

'On news of the grotesque discovery of the headless knights - many of them his personal friends - Grand Master Valette quickly ordered that captured Turks imprisoned deep in the vaulted dungeons of the fort be taken from their cells, and beheaded one by one.

'Then he returned a communiquè of his own: the heads of his Turkish captives were fired from his most powerful cannon direct into the Muslim lines. There would be no negotiation, no compromise, no surrender, no retreat.

'We Christians, the Grand Master was saying, will fight to the death and take you with us.

'The Siege of Malta in 1565 was a clash of unimaginable brutality, one of the bloodiest - yet most overlooked - battles ever fought. It was also an event that determined the course of history, for at stake was the very survival of Christianity.

'If vitally strategic Malta fell, the Muslim Ottoman Empire would soon dominate the Mediterranean. Even Rome would be in peril.

'The Muslims had hundreds of ships and an army tens of thousands strong. The Christians were a ragtag bunch of just a few hundred hard-bitten knights and some local peasant soldiers with a few thousand Spanish infantry. Malta looked doomed."...

'So savage was the fighting, so mismatched the two sides and so important the moment, that I chose the Siege of Malta as the subject of my latest novel, Blood Rock. It was the stage, as we thriller writers say, for epic and mind-blowing history.'

...

'Finally, relief reached the knights in the form of a small army from Sicily. Believing the enemy reinforcements too weak to be of any consequence, Mustapha Pasha angrily ordered his troops - who had bolted on hearing of the new arrivals - to turn back and march towards them. It was the last of his many grave blunders.

'The cavalry of the relief force charged, then the infantry, tearing into the Turkish centre, putting it to flight. Rout turned to bloodbath. The once-proud Ottoman force scrambled in disarray for its ships, pursued across the island, cut down and picked off at every step. Thousands died and the waters of St Paul's Bay ran red.

'Of the 40,000 troops that had set sail in the spring from Constantinople, only some ten thousand made it home. Behind them they had left a scene of utter devastation.

'Almost the entire garrison commanded by Jean Parisot de Valette - after whom the city of Valletta is named - had perished. Now, after 112 days of siege, the ragged handful of survivors limped through the blitzed wreckage of their lines.

'Malta was saved, for Europe and Christianity. The Knights of St John had won.

'History has moved on - the island withstood another siege, which played a key role in the saving of civilization, in the 1940s, this time against Hitler's forces. Today, the hotel and apartment developers have moved in. Rarely is the 1565 Great Siege of Malta mentioned. Hardly ever do visitors to the island dwell on such an ancient and forgotten incident.

'But I have stood in that tiny chapel recessed in the walls of Fort St Elmo, the very place where defenders took their last holy sacrament on a June night long ago. We owe those knights."

And I am told that in faraway England, Queen Elizabeth I ordered a special prayer of thanksgiving to be written, and read from the pulpit of every church in her realm; and the church bells were to be rung.

The ringing of the bells to celebrate the Knights' successful defence of Malta against the Muslim hordes would surely have been heard by a one-year-old infant in his cradle in Stratford on Avon, the child who would grow up to become one of western civilisation's - and the world's - greatest playwrights and poets.

The white-hot fury of the Knights of St John, desperately holding the gate of Malta, protected that infant and with him all the glory of the High Renaissance in north-western Europe; protected them from being devoured by the seven hells of dhimmitude.


The bottom line for Israel is this:
Damned if you do, dead if you don't.

Thanks for that dumbledoresarmy---it was uplifting but chilling. That type of history needs to be known so that we might stiffen ourselves for the coming battles.
Likewise, I believe that "The Free men of England" should look to their poets of the 19th and early 20th century for inspiration and love of England and what she brought to the world, imperialism notwithstanding. If not, Rupert Brooke's poem that where an Englishman lies in the farflung cemeteries of the world is a small part of England itself, may become the only part of England that remains as Englishmen once knew it.

Ooops. Should be, "The Free Men Of England", and
"the 19th and early 20th centuries"

if the film 300 got the Iranian rulers hot under to collar, image what a film about the Siege of Malta in 1565 would do.

At the very least it would provoke worldwide days of rage to show how peaceful islam is!

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The Muslim Terrorist War against Israeli Families


See how many pregnant women there are on this incomplete listing? That is not a coincidence. None of this is. Muslim terrorism is genocide. It is a genocidal struggle to conquer and wipe out non-Muslim populations. As in Israel, as everywhere else. Rape is one tool of Muslim demographic warfare. So is murdering pregnant women and children. Destroying families. They have been fighting it since a maddened would-be prophet began his campaign of extermination against a multicultural region.

This is war. Their kind of war. The attacks on schools and on families. The massacre of entire families is a tactic. Acts of evil by a cult too horrifyingly evil for most people to even understand. What evil does best is the exploitation of innocence in order to destroy it. And who are more innocent than the children?


http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2011/03/muslim-terrorist-war-against-israeli.html

Islam is NOT a religion. Islam is a cultic combinaton of political ideology and pure evil. The "god" of Islam is a demon from the pit of hell. Any "diety" which inspires his followers to commit such an atrocity is certainly closely allied with Satan himself. Any politician, any "ruler", any president who embraces Islam or permits it to thrive under their watch is guilty of any blood shed by this so-called "peaceful" cult. The true God of Scripture (both Old and New Covenants) will not hold back His wrath for ever. He will revenge His holy name in His time. There may be weeping in Zion in the night, but joy will come in the morning.

The Fogel family itself would rebuke those of you calling for retaliation or revenge. They want the murderers brought to justice, the PA held accountable, and the IDF to protect them better. But they've already gone on record as opposing revenge attacks. As in almost every case where Israelis are murdered by the Arabs, there are no calls for revenge. Although if there is one, no matter even if it's some outsider with no connection to the victims, the Western media always pounces on it. The proper Jewish response to tragedy is to increase in goodness and kindness. The proper Zionist response is to continue to build the land of Israel. There are dozens of new charitable organizations, foundations, and settlements named after the Israeli victims of terror.

Not only are these responses constructive for the Israelis, but they are the most destructive for the Arabs. Do you really think the Arab terrorists care one wit if 5000 Arabs are expelled from Israel or if 500 are killed for every Israeli victim? No. What really hurts them is to see that the Israelis continue to live and thrive and be joyful and productive despite all their attempts to break them. What's painful for them is to see the Jewish population growing in Judea and Samaria.

Thank you dumbledoresarmy, for picking up my unfinished details, in the history of battle with muslim evil. I had hoped someone would do such, so ably.

And yet another source well stated of the fundamental atrocity perpetrated in Samaria, against the Fogels, and all goodness in Israel and humanity, by the enemy. Another good read here:
http://townhall.com/columnists/jeffjacoby/2011/03/16/massacre_of_the_innocents

dear mrs eener,

you write:
"Do you really think the Arab terrorists care one wit if 5000 Arabs are expelled from Israel or if 500 are killed for every Israeli victim? No. What really hurts them is to see that the Israelis continue to live and thrive and be joyful and productive despite all their attempts to break them. What's painful for them is to see the Jewish population growing in Judea and Samaria."

i agree with you on both accounts, however, they are not mutually exclussive...i think that what is needed is a two-prongued approach where ALL the items you have listed, are implemented.

Here's an astonishing story just posted on another thread by poster Marc Louis. I hope he doesn't mind if I repost his comments and story here:

IDF, settlers save Arab baby meters away from where Fogel relatives are sitting Shiva

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4043536,00.html
...............................

If anything points out the essential decency of the Israelis, it is *this story*.

I had meant to say:

"If anything points out the essential decency of the Israelis in the face of Muslim savagery, it is *this story*."

Not at all, i dont always articulate well, i wasnt going to add a comment, i regulary post short and sweet. but when i saw this i was shattered.
I have been so angry for 5 days, all these bad thoughts of revenge. and pow, theres a story that reminds me who we are. look at that medic, his smile couldnt have been bigger if he'd given birth himself.

DP111

I read the Sultan Knish article.

I remembered that Rivka Holzberger who was tortured and murdered by Pakistani Muslim jihad mobsters in Mumbai in 2008, was heavily pregnant.

One rumour was that the Muslim sadists actually ripped open her pregnant womb and tore out the unborn, in order to attack and mutilate the Jewish child separately from its dying mother. I think that rumour is likely true, because it is precisely the sort of thing that jihadists have done to pregnant non-Muslim women in other jihad genocidal massacres, as in Bulgaria during the 19th century.

Islam strikes me, among other things, as a continuous deliberate blasphemy against and violent assault upon that feminine aspect of the divine that is variously imagined by different cultures - as Kuan Yin in Buddhist culture, as Shakhti in India, as the Shekhinah or the Ruach Adonai [ruach, breath, spirit, being a feminine noun) in Judaism, as the Hagia Sophia, the Holy Wisdom, in Christianity.

Because of the affirmation of Life that is at the core of Judaism, there is hardly a more powerful symbol of Life, and the sanctity of human life, than a pregnant Jewish woman. (Some Christian traditions' veneration of the Mother of the Lord effectively takes a humble first-century Jewish woman and appoints her as Jewish Momma to the entire human race...). And so the death-worshipping Muslim occultists zero in on Jewish women, pregnant Jewish women, in particular, with a sort of fiendish intensity.

These murders - the murder of Tali Hatuel and her daughters, the throat-slitting and beheading of little Hadas Fogel, the murder of pregnant Riva Holzberger - can be seen, I think must be seen, as ritual killings, occultic black-magic human sacrifices. We're in very dark and ugly territory.

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