California police: 13-year-old girl ran away in fear of arranged marriage in Pakistan, parents lied about her disappearance

Islamic Honor...According to me...Islam is a hyper patriarchal system...Not only is the 'man' in charge, he is 'expected' to be in charge, he is expected to keep his family sharia compliant...His rule must not be challenged...When his daughter falls out of compliance (a form of apostasy), it is a reflection on 'him', it makes 'him' look weak and ineffectual to Allah, and his brothers down at the mosque...It shames him, and by reflection his whole family...If he seems incapable of doing the 'right' thing to fix the problem he loses his stature and honor, and the brothers just might do the 'right thing' for him...Sharia law enables honor killings because there is no Islamic penalty for killing your children or your childrens children...There is also no meaningful penalty for killing an apostate...
Only doing the 'right thing' restores or preserves honor...Allah willing, and he usually is...

"She, Melissa Bender, is a vile, evil, disgusting excuse for a mother. What kind of creature colludes in this against the welfare of her own daughter ?"

Well, Jan, welcome to the club. You've just touched on what is wrong with western women who convert to islam and/or marry mohammadan men.

They are sick, sad, desperate women with low self esteem often obese and usually just plain ugly with emotional and psychological problems. Their willingness to condone engage in and force these vile 7th century custons on their own children is usually in direct proportion to their mental illness and obesity. I would love to see a photo of this woman. I imagine she's a beast.

How do I make these assumptions? I don't. I was one of those sad, desperate and emotionally unstable broads who converted (albeit without help from a mohammadan male-I'm not an idiot)and lived in dar al islam for almost 6 years and in that time I met close to 200 real fruitcakes who also converted.

This woman should lose custody of her child and her and her paki partner should be shipped off to pakiland. And just think-This is just one case that we know of. How many non-mohammadan American children are being abused and exploited so their fat, ugly, emotionally screwed up mothers can pretend that some third world savage "loves" them?

Duh-Swami, that was well-written and informative.

Only wednesday I had a discussion with a young Muslim and participating also was a young "black" lady. We had met because of duty on election-day and after our shift was over we talked politically for a while. (By the way the Freedom Party won substantially!)

I put it to the young Muslim that I was pro-full-democracy and against death-penalty for apostasy in Islam. He responded by reasoning that Muslims consider apostasy something wholly unnatural, regressing if you will, from 3 to 2. But then that Islam really was opposed to all violence, killing and that Iran and Saudi Arabia had it all wrong. Either he used Taqqiya or was "Taqqiya-ed" to by his Imam.

The young woman presented him also with a few challenging questions and in general I think that parties like the Freedom Party should propagate anti-patriarchal values and also much different honor-values than those based on Islam or at least very prevalent among Muslims (saying this because Muslims and Islam-apologists are always quick to deny Islam's role in every detrimental behavior).

Thanks for pointing out the link, Marisol.

It looks like the b*&^% doesn't have any teeth!

She reminds me of some British whore I met while in Istanbul. I was looking for a cat-sitter and she came to my flat so I could meet her.

48, a mother of 2 teenagers, married, ugly as sin. She left her children and husband to carry on with some barman who was almost 30 years her junior. He spoke poor English (her words) and she didn't speak a lick of Turkish. She was railing on about how hard this relationship was.

I came unglued. Told her it was not a relationship, she was a desperate, ugly old b&%$# who abandoned her family just so she could feel good about herself. I told her in no way would I trust her with my cat and to leave my flat immediately. She begged me to call a taxi for her as she didn't know Turkish. I told her "oh fats and matures are desirable in Turkish culture, I'm sure you'll find some "romantic" young man to help you out because he has so much respect for foreign womens" and promptly slammed the door in her ugly face.

If there's any justice in the world she learned exactly what mohammadan "repect" towards yabnci orospular(foreign whores)means that night trying to find her way back to the rock she crawled out from under.

"Most likely she would have been sold...There's a payoff in there somewhere...I'm not sure, but I think selling a human is illegal..."

What gave you such an absurd idea? Never heard about the labour market? ;-)

Yech. Shows what marriage to a muslim can do. Unless of course she was a total moron in the first place. Whoops, oxymoron.

''I was one of those sad, desperate and emotionally unstable broads who converted (albeit without help from a mohammadan male-I'm not an idiot)and lived in dar al islam for almost 6 years and in that time I met close to 200 real fruitcakes who also converted.''

Istanbul chick, I've read your posts with great interest, since I started reading JW. And I applaud the courage with which you got yourself out of it. I confess however, to curiosity as to how you got INTO it. You say it wasn't because of any involvement with a mohammadan : what exactly about it appealed to you ? If you've already discussed this in a thread I missed, my apologies, equally, I don't mean to be intrusive (posh for nosey), so if you don't wish to discuss it, then of course it's your business. It's just that clearly, there is SOMETHING about it that appeals to some - there was a James Eaton on a previous thread who said he had converted from Catholicism to islam. Also the muslim troll Gerbiltea who used to post here, was also apparently a convert. I suppose I'm thinking that if one could pinpoint WHAT the attraction is for people like you, when 'luurve' was obviously not a factor, we might be able to muster some defence against whatever it is that attracts. Again, my apologies if I'm being nosey.

pople generally convert to a different religion because they are missing something. going say from Islam to Christianity or some other way. there is nothing in Islam that is attractive. unless you are a hard line parcticing muslim male and living say in Afghanistan. you have then made it in the shade!! you can have countless wives, marry them as young as 9 year old, be a homosexual pedophile having a 5 year old boy around for your personal pleasure without being bothered by the law, beat the shit of women, and convince an uneducated man to go and blow him self up to have 70 virgins and so on... does this make any sense?
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"I told her in no way would I trust her with my cat and to leave my flat immediately."

Brava. Because your sweet kitty is so much more valuable than this pathetic Mohammedan human waste. My kitty's too, and everyone else's.

"Also the muslim troll Gerbiltea who used to post here"

Yeah, whatever happened to that Muslim troll? Who cares! Good Riddance.

''If she is married with a Mohammedan, he brainwashed her. Like the mother of Aminah & Sara.''

So, do you think this is some kind of excuse ? ANY mother has one duty first and foremost, and that is to protect her child. There is NO EXCUSE whatsoever, for any abrogation of this responsibility.

OT maybe, but this smacks to me of the sort of attitude which has been discussed on earlier threads, ie: about the bomber who used as his defence that the FBI had inveigled/coaxed him to strap on a murder vest, and this somehow gave him an excuse. The response from Mr. Spencer and others on the thread, was: 'what would it take for you to strap on a murder vest and murder thousands of innocents at the behest of the FBI - ' or something along those lines. The answer of course, was, that no decent human being would never even contemplate such a thing. End of.

In a nutshell I was a libtarded moral and cultural relativist anti-American (angry about Iraq and Afghanistan) with severe depression (basically just feeling sorry for myself).

Everyone there was so nice and inviting and just love bombed me (especially the women) about allah loves good people like me. I was not strong in the faith of my parents and I swallowed the "islam is peace" and "islam respects women" kool-aid. And I thought "while in Rome..." and of course when asked "do you believe there is one God and mohammad is his prohet?" like an idiot I said sure and "praise be to allah! you are muslim!" depsite my having never studied mein kuranmpf (other than a cursory reading 20+ years earlier for a comparative religions course).

And as someone here mentioned about the paki pig that was the intended groom for the American girl being treated like a rock star for bagging such a prize: American, blonde, pretty, young I was a prize: American, blonde, pretty and now MUSLIM! I was treated like a visiting royal everywhere I went. What was not to love about it! Never mind I had no idea what being mohammadan entailed.

But, that's what saved me (sitting down and actually reading the unholy trinity: mein kuranmpf, sirat rasul allah and hadiths), that and the true ugly natures of mohammadans. I learned that their tongues speak different words depending on their audiences. When around non-mohammadans they are all sugar and spice but when around just fellow mohammadans what drips out is ugly, racist, supremacist and utter evil hatred for anything and anyone non-mohammadan. In other words they are world class hypocrites.

So for me being angry, unhappy and just plain bored with being just another average Jane and not being strong in any faith was the catch and being treated like a "rock star" was the hook. I exiled myself, in dar al islam, for many years after my apostasy because I did and still do believe that any westerner who converts, especially taking the shahada in arabic has NO right to live in and enjoy the freedoms of the west.

Hope my answer was not too long. :)

That was really interesting, and very honest ! Thanks for indulging my curiosity.

Excellent post, very well reasoned. Thanks. BTW, what exactly are the 'material benefits'? Do they get money from the mosque/imam? ( I can see where the 'security' comes in !)

Yes ! Thanks.

The mother is pathetic. Thank God her American non-Muslim daughter had wits about her and was astute enough to smell something foul: pretty good for a 13-year-old. The fact she had normal friend saved her from life of misery and bondage. I am hoping that she will serve as a good example for those young Muslim girls needing protection from their own families and also serve as a warning for the community.

There are enough gullible women out there who often fall for abusive men. To these insecure women with low self esteem Muslim men can use their exotic charm with their polite and mild manner. Have you not heard that "Muslim men treat their women like queens"?

Wow, thanks for your honesty, courage and humour. I found myself attracted and almost fooled by a muslim who wanted me to convert to islam. from a brown-skinned hindu family, unlike you, I knew about islam and how islam had caused the murder of millions of hindus for 14 centuries. I KNEW IT and YET I was almost taken in by love jihad.

Please do not be hard on yourself. Muslim men can be very cocky, charming...they know what to say. Maybe okay to have fun with (if they are not violent) but not marriage material. Many hindu women have told me that muslim men are sexy - look at the pakistani muslim cricketeers and hindu bollywood actress phenomena Now, perhaps emulating their rapist prophet leads to them to try to conquer us kafir women, I don't know, but the appeal wears off pretty quickly.

"BTW, what exactly are the 'material benefits'? Do they get money from the mosque/imam?"

For example, in Pakistan, christian landowners are less likely to have their land grabbed for paltry reasons if they convert. The friend that I was talking about was able to get a really great job in Saudi after converting.

I did not convert for a man. Please, re-read my post.

There is nothing in there to even suggest I was a complete idiot.

Before converting and even after I had zero interest in any mohammadan males. There is nothing attractive about them, physically(even the "educated" ones dress, look and act like some grotesque charicature of the greasy-slimy pimp/playboy stereotype), emotionally or psychologically.

And why would a Hindu or Sikh girl find them attractive? As you said YOU KNEW what they were capable of.

I admit, I like Shah Ruhk and Amir Khan but to even imagine a relationship with them turns my stomach.

Besides, Hindu boys are a hoot. I know, I married one.

Sorry, but there's something psychologically wrong with women who fall in love with "charm."

These women will run background checks on American men who are courting them, yet they jump into marriage with these slimeballs without wholly knowing them.

Even American wife beaters show signs of their sickness before they "trap the chick." These women are so sick and convinced that these slimeballs are "prince charming" (thanks Rudolph Valentino for creating the FALSE image of the charming bedouin savage)that they ignore the obvious signs. And let's face it, unless you've been living under a rock for the past 20 years, you're a nincompoop if you think there's anything romantic or charming about mohammadan males.

These women are cut from the same cloth as women who get into "relationships" with convicted killers and rapists.