Julia Gorin: Anti-jihadists vs. Anti-jihadists: Something Else at Work

Anti-jihadists vs. Anti-jihadists: Something Else at Work
by Julia Gorin

When the scholar and author Srdja Trifkovic was turned back at the Vancouver airport on Feb. 24 -- after a Bosnian-Muslim organization called The Institute for Research of Genocide in Canada alerted authorities that a “genocide denier” was within their borders -- Greater Islam and its useful idiots saw an opportunity, and pounced.

The name “Trifkovic” rang a bell in the head of a young writer named Aymenn Jawad al-Tamimi, who quickly recalled that anti-jihadist Robert Spencer had written supportively of him and his work in the past. Hearing that Trifkovic didn’t buy into the Srebrenica Genocide, al-Tamimi saw a path to killing two birds with one stone. And went digging for dirt.

Soon enough, he found something, or as close to something as one can find on Dr. Trifkovic. What he found was a symposium that Trifkovic had participated in last year on a paleocon website called Alt Right, responding to the question: Is the traditionalist, paleoconservative Right anti-Semitic, as is popularly perceived? The moderator of the panel was a Jewish paleocon named Eugene Girin. Joining Trifkovic was Paul Gottfried, also a Jewish paleocon, and the third panelist was well-known anti-Semitic paleocon Taki Theodoracopulos.

Reading the following paragraphs in the Trifkovic essay, al-Tamimi thought he’d caught the man red-handed in the act of Jew-hating:

It is true, however, that the traditional Right is inevitably antipathetic to certain modes of thought and feeling, to a peculiar Weltanschauung and the resulting forms of public and intra-communal discourse, which are quite properly perceived as specifically Jewish. Historically, Talmudic Judaism's insistence on the Jews' racial uniqueness -- emphasized by the ritual and dietary laws of Talmudic Judaism and on its view of Christians as idolaters -- has ensured that a Jew steeped in his own tradition could not view traditional European or American conservatism with sympathy. His tradition was a form of elaborate survival mechanism based on the zero-sum view of a world divided into "us" and "them." The Gentile was "the Other" ab initio and for ever. In addition, since the late 1800's the Jews have had a disproportionate impact on a host of intellectual trends and political movements which have fundamentally altered the civilization of Europe and its overseas offspring in a manner deeply detrimental to the family, nation, culture, racial solidarity, social coherence, tradition, morality and faith. Spontaneously or deliberately, those ideas and movements -- Marxism (including neoconservatism as the bastard child of Trotskyism), Freudianism, Frankfurt School cultural criticism, Boasian anthropology, etc. -- have eroded "the West" to the point where its demographic and cultural survival is uncertain. The erosion is continuing, allegedly in the name of propositional principles and universal values, and it is pursued with escalating ferocity.

All unfortunately true (though one would have preferred the phrase “disproportionately Jewish” to “specifically Jewish” vis-à-vis the kinds of movements my people tend to originate and support). While virgin eyes (mainstream readers and anyone not experienced in sorting out the intricacies and boundaries of what is and isn’t OK to say about Jews) will read the paragraphs as “anti-Semitic,” the views expressed aren’t unlike what I and any number of other Jewish conservatives have written in an effort to tame the Jewish predisposition toward cynicism about, and dismantling of, the traditional values of, yes, white-established societies. Values that every color and creed have been invited to share and benefit from, and which Trifkovic’s article continues to invite Jews to uphold -- if one reads the paragraphs that al-Tamimi did not focus on:

In our own time, however, the process of erosion has reached the stage where it is to be expected that increasing numbers of Jews -- those who love their own people more than they loath what the traditional Right loves -- will realize that, in the long term, their only viable survival strategy is to support the principles and objectives of the traditional Right. To put it bluntly, the survival of the West, which is recognizably Christian in spirit and European in genes, is "objectively" becoming the optimal survival strategy for the Jewish community as a whole, Israel included. (I've known several Jews who understand, notably my late friend Sir Alfred Sherman.) In the postmodern mélange of races, cultures and cults still desired by the likes of Abraham Foxman, the narrative of victimhood and its associated claims will carry little weight with the brown, black, and yellow multitudes blissfully devoid of European self-loathing, guilt and shame. The results may easily exceed in ferocity and magnitude the events of 1942-45. It is essential for the Jews to grasp that the survival of European gentile identity and institutions is a sine qua non of their own survival. It is desirable for the traditional Right to overcome its instinctive impulses, historically justified as they are, and to consider this possibility and its implications.

That is the harsh, coldly objective intellectual rigor I’ve come to expect from Dr. Trifkovic, who sees no winners here: ‘YES, those on the traditionalist Right are anti-Semitic. YES, they have reason to be. But NO, they shouldn’t be -- and here’s why they need to get over their Jew-grudges.’ The article is a call for the traditionalist, often anti-Semitic paleocon Right to recognize Jews as allies against the forces of barbarity. It’s the likes of Theodoracopulos and readers who think as he does that Trifkovic’s article was admonishing, along with Jews.

It's not reading that would be palatable to the mainstream, but conservative readers -- including Jewish conservatives -- are known to have a slightly higher tolerance for truth, even when Jews don’t come out smelling like roses. Indeed, there was actually very little there to seize on.

Trifkovic concerns himself with Jewish and Israeli survival. That's more than can be said of other paleocons, too many of whom -- not unlike too many liberals -- have convinced themselves that Jews are the problem with jihad, and let the Muslims off the hook, often defending them. Unhindered by such biased mental blocks, Trifkovic does not have it in for Israel, as his maligned symposium contribution and a lifetime of work make clear. That’s in contrast to Buchananites, for example -- Buchanan being someone who gets invited onto mainstream outlets including “The Daily Show” and who is published by Creators Syndicate.

Indeed, Trifkovic perceives a recipe for Israeli and Jewish survival better than most Jews do. He also warns of a threat that's quite under-appreciated by Jews as they try to nestle up to other minorities, who reject the idea of Jews belonging in the same endangered category (as the Jon Stewart-Rick Sanchez fight demonstrated). And who, separately, have no affinity for Israel.

However, armed with the “damning” paragraphs, al-Tamimi saw an opportunity to take down one of the lone dissenters on the untouchable, unquestionable, sacralized, staged atrocity known as Srebrenica. But first he forwarded Trifkovic’s comments to Robert Spencer and asked if he endorsed Trifkovic’s statements, prompting him to repudiate them publicly.

Having gotten one rift going, al-Tamimi now turned on Spencer, and wrote an article "exposing" Trifkovic's guilt -- and Spencer's guilt by association. Using, of course, the next anti-jihad-minded platform to do it: American Thinker. Where various writers over the years, including the editor, have cited the author with esteem.

Precisely what al-Tamimi wanted to see an end to. “Trifkovic, author of the book Sword of the Prophet," al-Tamimi wrote, is often upheld as a serious scholar with a genuine interest in promoting the cause of human rights in the face of jihadist ideology. For instance, he was interviewed in the documentary Islam: What the West Needs to Know....”

He certainly was. I was at a screening that took place in January 2006 amid Muslim threats, at the Renaissance Film Festival in Los Angeles, where Jews made up probably half of the recently tuned-in anti-jihadist audience. Even before the obscure-sounding name “Srdja Trifkovic” appeared under the talking head manifesting onto the screen, I was taken aback when the theater erupted into cheers and applause as if a rock star had walked into the room. It was almost as unexpected as the section in the film that showed a map of the domino-like progression of the Balkans falling to Islam: Bosnia… Kosovo…Macedonia… -- that is, the "pseudo historic" concept of a Balkan jihad which al-Tamimi presumes to admonish both Spencer and Trifkovic against.

His article appeared to be constructively advising the counter-jihad movement to be more mindful of its allies and associations. But, as JihadWatch.org comment poster “Cornelius” asked: “Why Robert? Why Jihad Watch? Why not use a more appropriately valid and sinister example than [un]-moderated comments? Why not just issue the generic warning without trying to diminish an ally in the anti-Jihad like Robert Spencer? In short, why pick a fight with [a] friend?”

No sooner did the March 5 piece run than there was a news alert to it that morning by the never-sleeping anti-anti-jihadists of ISNA, the Islamic Society of North America, who saw that the next window of opportunity to divide and conquer the anti-jihad movement had been pried open.

What’s happening here is transparent. As Trifkovic was being pilloried by the Canadian PC machine, an attack came from an unexpected, heretofore mostly friendly, direction -- about a tangential matter. And then another attack from another friendly place. Jihad Watch and American Thinker were utilized and targeted by what appears to be, if not a coordinated campaign, a very symbiotic one, which also almost pitted the two sites against each other.

Readers of both Jihad Watch and American Thinker -- never easily fooled -- “smelled a skunk in the woodpile,” as one put it. “Morton Doodslag” elaborated:

…Isn't it odd that in both Tamimi's case, and in the case of Charles Johnson, Robert Spencer ends up being the target of their efforts to purge the ranks of anti-Jihad of those whom they consider undesirable and impure?...Who made either man the arbiter? And why their strong impulse to impeach and defame and purify within in the fragile camp of anti-Jihad?...

And so one turns her attention toward al-Tamimi. Do we for a moment believe the man is really so worried about negative attitudes toward Jews? Or might he be using the anti-Semitism card to help protect the carefully guarded "truth" of a genocide occurring at Srebrenica -- the very factoid that sparked his interest in Trifkovic in the first place. Consider the dual purpose being served: creating a wedge in the anti-jihad movement, and targeting anti-jihad elements that have expressed some doubt about the unquestionable.

“Spencer makes no attempt to distance himself from Trifkovic's pseudo-historical views concerning the Bosnian War,” al-Tamimi wrote in an update on his blog, continuing on the theme that faults Spencer for noticing jihad and its successful propaganda (“imagined propaganda arm”) in the Balkans.

Indeed, the whole affair -- starting with Trifkovic’s deportation at the prompting of an “Institute for Research of Genocide in Canada” -- is replete with ironies and hypocrisies. Which usually means agendas.

We’ll skip pointing out the obvious decoy value of accusing an anti-jihadist of anti-Semitism in a way that benefits the predominately Jew-hating Muslim world (which often enough includes Bosniaks). Not just any anti-jihadist, but one with whom I traveled to Israel in 2007 and who a year earlier had been the keynote speaker at Yad Vashem in a symposium on the Holocaust in Yugoslavia. A dangerously high level of prominence indeed for someone who discovered that the “8,000 Muslim men and boys” mantra isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. A few more glaring ironies:

In addition to claiming to represent “more than 50,000 Canadians of Bosnian origin” -- despite 28,000 of those being Serbs and Croats -- IRGC director Emir Ramic sits on the editorial board of a Sarajevo-based Muslim magazine titled Korak (“Step”). Korak, published by the veterans’ association of the Bosnian-Muslim Army, runs articles titled “Israel is a Terrorist Regime” and “Basic Principles of the Law of War in Islam.” The latter asserts that “Jihad is a just and legitimate fight against aggression and a struggle in protection of human rights and freedoms.”

As Trifkovic himself noted, the magazine -- which publishes Arabic, Bosnian, Iranian and the occasional Jewicidal author -- also carries articles such as:

“WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BLOCKADE OF THE INHABITANTS OF GAZA?”…[Issue] No. 14 [has] Norman Finkelstein’s THE BLOODSHED IN GAZA…“Korak” No. 16 (2009): PALESTINE AND AL-QUDS AS THE SYMBOL OF ALL MUSLIMS OF THE WORLD….Ramic’s magazine wholeheartedly supports “I’m-proud-to-be-a-holocaust-denier” Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. The Muslim veterans’ organ in its issue No. 15 has an Iranian propaganda diatribe, THE FAILURE OF THE ANTI-IRANIAN SCENARIO….For the friends of Israel’s eradication from the map, Emir Ramic’s magazine has a heart-warming article in issue No. 12: SIXTY YEARS SINCE THE PALESTINIAN CATASTROPHE, by Dr. Džemal Najetovic. The list goes on, predictably, from one issue to another...from one antisemitic and Serb-hating orgasm to another.

An interesting pair of targets, making the familiar attempt to break the solidarity between Jews and Serbs -- Hitler's and jihad's original victims -- all the more transparent.

The chief editor of the Islamist magazine, “Asaf Dzanic, is also on the Genocide Institute’s board. Perversely, and where the Institute derives some of its legitimacy, Elie Wiesel has lent his name to the Institute. And still there are more ironies and hypocrisies. As Canadian former ambassador to Bulgaria, Albania and Yugoslavia -- James Bissett -- pointed out, the “Institute” actively engages in WWII Holocaust minimization and denial, of the already minimized and suppressed story of the Muslim-assisted genocide of Jews, Serbs and Gypsies in Croatia -- the precursor to the wider European genocide. Ambassador Bissett contrasted the IRGC’s article “Examination of Serbian Deaths in Jasenovac Camp” with the Simon Wiesenthal Center’s numbers. Then he advised:

Contrast the “Institute’s” hate-filled ravings with the entry on “Jasenovac” by Menachem Shelach, Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, 1990, p. 739, which says, “Some six hundred thousand people were murdered at Jasenovac.” The Holocaust Education & Archive Research Team estimated “that close to 600,000…mostly Serbs, Jews, and Gypsies, were murdered at Jasenovac”…[exceeding] anything that happened at Srebrenica in 1995 by not less than thirtyfold. In nature those crimes were unspeakably more gruesome.

Elie Wiesel has admitted to being less than careful in what he lends his name to. In October 1993 at a talk he gave at the University of Illinois at Chicago, Wiesel became almost “rhapsodic,” as an attendee named Peter described it, when he spoke of walking through Sarajevo with Bosnian-Muslim wartime president Alija Izetbegovic.

"Imagine a Jew defending Muslims!” he beamed. My thought was "why defend one ethnic group? Why not defend victims, all of them…The event really got interesting [when] Dusanka Krstic then rose to make some points, such as the presence of Croatian [wartime president] Franjo Tudjman at the [1993] inauguration of the Holocaust Museum in Washington, and Mr. Wiesel accordingly denounced Croatian President Tudjman because he denies that the holocaust occurred. But the high point of the day came when Mrs. Krstic asked the Nobel Peace Prize Winner why he signed his name to a letter in Wall Street Journal demanding that the USA should bomb the Serbs. Wiesel's words were in effect: "I should not have done that. I never saw the text of the letter. I was traveling when I received a phone call asking me if I would put my signature to this. I asked 'who else is signing? You can put my name to it'." …[A]s one Israeli activist has put it, being a victim does not make you a saint. Although he is a victim, Mr. Wiesel has his victims, too...

Like Tudjman, Izetbegovic was invited to the opening of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, but he declined. Because of how it would look to the Muslim world.

Which brings us back to Mr. al-Tamimi and his criticism of Robert Spencer for not also distancing himself from “Trifkovic’s” notion of Bosnia as jihad, which al-Tamimi sees as illegitimate revisionism:

True, [Trifkovic] has condemned Slobodan Milosevic on many occasions, but he defends both Karadzic and Mladic, both of whom have been indicted by the U.N. on sixteen counts of genocide and war crimes...[Trifkovic's] attempts to portray the Bosnian War as a case of Serbs being the victims of supposed jihadist aggression do not constitute legitimate historical revisionism countering an imagined Islamist "propaganda arm" in the Balkans, but rather pseudo-history, pure and simple.

As the DarLink comment poster from earlier put it: “If [the] UN says you are guilty then it must be so, never mind all the resolutions against Israel and Goldstone report.”

Al-Tamimi certainly places much emphasis on, and confidence in, the judgments of an international court which Americans specifically declined to subject their leaders and soldiers to, fearing precisely that the politicized body would function by Orwellian standards. (Indeed, the canaries living the Kafkaesque nightmare include almost every high-level wartime Serbian official, on trial essentially for being a Serbian official during war.) But given his confidence in UN courts, al-Tamimi might take a moment to notice that Milosevic was never found guilty; he was found dead -- like at least one other Serb leader at the Hague before him -- and that leaves him as an indicted war criminal. No more indicted than Tudjman or Izetbegovic, both of whom passed away waiting for their indictments to come. (These were politically trickier indictments and therefore deliberately dragged out.)

The premise underlying what al-Tamimi -- and IRGC et al who are engaging in this simultaneous campaign -- are doing is that Izetbegovic was the moderate Muslim and multi-cultural democrat presented by the West (and by Harry’s Place, where al-Tamimi also writes). Enter, the next irony. In addition to authoring the notorious Islamic Declaration advocating Sharia law, Izetbegovic had been a recruiter for the Waffen SS as a member of the Young Muslims ("Mladi Muslimani"), and in 1943 he welcomed to Bosnia the notorious Jerusalem mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini.

Andy Wilcoxson, the most dedicated American follower of the proceedings at the Hague’s ICTY, yesterday provided for Jihad Watch readers the rest of the CV of this man whose forces al-Tamimi assures us were not engaged in jihadist aggression, concluding:

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out who is responsible for the Bosnian war. Was it the outspoken jihadists [Izetbegovic and his future defense minister Hasan Cengic] who were jailed in the 1980s for trying to incite an Islamic revolution, and who spent the years leading up to the war establishing Islamist paramilitary groups, or was it Radovan Karadzic, a doctor, who spent the years leading up to the war practicing psychiatry and writing mediocre poetry? …The “Greater Serbia” conspiracy alleged by Mr. al-Tamimi is precisely the kind of Muslim propaganda that he dismisses as “imaginary” in his article…Even if the Bosnian Serbs had secretly been fighting for a “Greater Serbia,” they would have needed the cooperation of Slobodan Milosevic and the Serbian government in Belgrade -- which was not forthcoming.

Conspicuously, the long-debunked propaganda of “Greater Serbia” found its way into both the al-Tamimi article and a joint press release the day before from IRGC, the Congress of North American Bosniaks, and Bosnian American Institute for Genocide and Education. Also gracing both works were the usual buzz words -- “Karadzic and Mladic” -- the only two names (plus Milosevic) that anyone has been allowed to take away from the conflicts -- attesting to the tight, recycled narrative and limited scope of permissible interpretation of the Balkan wars.

The “pseudo-history” is the one being sleeplessly guarded, including by Mr. al-Tamimi whether he knows it or not. In fact, because what happened at Srebrenica (which no one is too sure about) did not jibe with any official definition of genocide, the all-authoritative Hague which these folks obsessively cite (and which defies all known forensic sciences in its ability to determine manner of death from a single bone fragment) had to widen the very definition of the word to make the crime fit the punishment. In an open letter to Canada’s Minister of Citizenship, Immigration and Multiculturalism, author Diana Johnstone -- incidentally, not an ally in the anti-jihad movement (she doesn’t notice any threat of a Muslim takeover) -- wrote:

On Srebrenica, the facts are partly established, partly disputed, and partly unknown. This is because material evidence is by no means as clear and comprehensive as the general public has been led to believe...[The ICTY], largely financed and staffed by the NATO countries which took the Muslim side in the Bosnian civil wars, found a way to describe Srebrenica as “genocide” by redefining the term...The ICTY verdict has subtly deceived the general public, while providing a justification of NATO intervention in former Yugoslavia against the Serbs, stigmatized as responsible for “genocide”. This stigmatization of Serbs as “genocidal”…can be seen as amounting to incitement to racial hatred....The “Bosniak” lobby takes advantage of widespread ignorance and confusion…to delegitimatize the Serbian entity, Republika Srpska, in Bosnia-Herzegovina…and create a centralized Bosnia-Herzegovina that would be under full control of the Muslim party, since Muslims are assumed to enjoy a narrow demographic majority…[I]t is deeply hypocritical for the West to demand that Serbs must be the only Westerners to welcome Muslim rule over their own historic territory.

Johnstone recognized the "amazing decision [to deport Trifkovic as] all the more scandalous in that it was taken ad hoc in response to the hate campaign by self-declared representatives of one Bosnian ethnic group carrying out a vendetta against another Bosnian ethnic group." Why did Canadian authorities suddenly deem Trifkovic “inadmissible” despite his having been there a number of times including as an expert witness for the Canadian House of Commons in Ottawa? For the same reason that world courts and governments -- the latter being hounded to pass “Srebrenica Resolutions” and set up official remembrance days for Muslim soldiers -- tell us that there was a Srebrenica Genocide: Because the Muslims told them to.

Consider the efficiency with which the ‘genocide’ designation has been achieved. Note how much speedier, with less trouble and controversy, the Srebrenica “genocide” came to be than the much older and bigger Armenian Genocide. (Meanwhile, as Ambassador Bissett pointed out, “I am not aware of the ‘Institute’ seeking to ban or castigate as ‘genocide deniers’ those Turkish government officials...who are adamant that what happened to the Armenians is NOT a genocide.”) And what about the Greeks and Assyrians? (See “Three Genocides, One Perpetrator.”) Never mind about the WWII liquidation of one-third of Croatia’s Serbs -- virtually unknown, much less officially designated as anything.

What is the common denominator here? The elite guardianship, and the fevered -- and very successful -- rush to collect proclamations, resolutions, rulings, compulsory days of remembrance (internationally and locally) is for exactly ONE “genocide,” and of the smallest scale. Just as oddly, it is the alleged perpetrators of this particular “genocide” who can’t kick the label, which is used as a sledgehammer against them in pursuance of, and as a cover for, Islamo-Western geopolitical ends. In what amounts to the biggest false confession in history, the effort has even achieved an admission of guilt from the alleged perpetrators, if only to stop the whipping.

There is something political, and something desperate, going on here. Why is it so crucial for Muslims to have their desperately sought genocide? Enter the final irony of this convoluted, sleight-of-hand situation -- from Trifkovic’s deportation, to his being ‘found out’ as an anti-Semite, to “tarring” Spencer with said “anti-Semite,” to criticism of Spencer for not disavowing the latter’s Balkan “pseudo-history”: In addition to the geopolitical purpose that “the massacre” was needed for at the time (an international intervention), there is a far bigger goal. Muslims see the Jews as deriving much of their influence, moral authority, and sympathy from the Holocaust. To compete, they must secure their own. That they are achieving it in between committing genocides themselves (Sudan, Turkey, Kosovo, WWII Croatia-Bosnia, 1990s Bosnia) is a testament to their prowess, and to the West’s stupidity and servility.

In other words, the charge of anti-Semitism is being used to protect a concoction whose key purpose is to remove what Muslims see as the Jewish advantage. Jews being the prime target of whom to turn the world against before swallowing up the rest of it. In the process, another benefit is achieved: With 8,000 (sic) Muslim soldiers sharing the same category, the Holocaust is diminished. As are the real genocides that Muslims carry out.

Don’t fall for it. Being a genocide denier is not as bad as being a genocide fabricator, a relentless effort that takes on many forms and disguises to make it harder to recognize, camouflaging itself against seemingly unrelated or tangential incidents. That is what has happened here.

I say to the Muslim world that we anti-jihadists -- whether we get along with one another or not and regardless of any potential bad apples that our movement like all movements will draw and can’t always police -- we will not be fooled. Once and for all: My genocide is bigger than yours. So nanny-nanny-boo-boo.

Such are the levels we are lowered to by the Seventh Century elements in our midst.

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I don't think the term "antisemitic" should be used loosely, and I would not apply it to Srdja Trifkovic, however I do think he is wrong.

A Weltanschauung that insists on a special uniqueness is neither specifically, nor disproportionately, Jewish. First we can put aside the idea that the "Talmudic Weltanschauung" insists of a "racial uniqueness" of the Jews. "Race" was not a concept that existed in rabbinical thought of this period. The rabbis certainly thought in terms of peoples, nations, and tribes, but "race" in the sense of a quantifiable quasi-scientific category is a concept that entered human thought much later. Yes, Talmudic Weltanschauung insists on Jewish uniqueness with a corollary insistence on religious norms that preserve separateness. But so does every other traditional culture. Ancient Greek used the same word for both "foreigner" and "barbarian." The same in Japanese idiom. And it's laughable to suggest that the "traditional Right" is antipathetic to a conception of one's people as unique, with the "resulting forms of public intra-communal discourse". What is being described in a roundabout way is really nothing more than nationalism, a linchpin of traditional rightest thought. It can manifest itself in positive ways, such as in Irish Gaelic revivalism (or Hebrew revivalism), selective immigration policies, and rational national self-interest. It can manifest itself in destructive ways, such as the elephant-in-the-room obvious counterexample that escapes Trifkovic--the "racial uniqueness", not in a Talmudic Weltanschauung, but in the German Weltanschauung of the Third Reich era.

Trifkovic then treats this Talmudic Weltanschauung insistence on separateness through the use of ritual and dietary laws as the explanation for the disproportionately Jewish involvement in various leftist schools of thought and politics of the modern era. Does this really make sense? Does the rabbinical insistence on circumcision, kosher diet, Torah-study, and endogamous marriage really explain a Karl Marx, who was born into and grew up in a Germanized affluent Lutheran family, who was at pains to hide his own Jewish background, and who authored "On the Jewish Question"? Marx's worldview shares no genetic relationship with the Talmudic Weltanschauung Trifkovic refers to, but was part and parcel of the already existing political radicalization of his time. Does the Talmudic Weltanschauung explain other modes of leftist thought cited? Franz Boas grew up in a liberal, assimilated family, and refused to self-identify as Jewish. Adorno grew up with a Catholic mother, and a Protestant father of Jewish heritage. We do not see leftist politics arising out of the classes of payot-sporting orthodox Jews.

We can speculate about what explains the disproportionate Jewish involvement in these forms of thought and politics, but pointing to traditional rabbinical thought will not do, and the suggestion that traditional European rightist thought is antipathetic to a self-conception of belonging to a unique people that must maintain its separateness fails once clearly spelled out. First it has to be noted that these leftist modes of thought existed in Europe among sectors of the affluent and academic classes in general, and there is no shortage of gentiles (of gentile origins) that one can point out who were intimately involved in growing leftist movements. We do not see these forms of leftist thought in the 19th century Muslim world in general, and so we don't see a similar phenomenon among Jews of the Muslim world (who were traditionalist and orthodox--so much for the Talmudic Weltanschauung explanation).

A better explanation is that Jews were overrepresented in the affluent and academic sectors in European society in general, and members of these sectors of society themselves were overrepresented in leftist circles. Statistically, so to speak, there naturally would be an overrepresentation of Jews in leftist circles in such circumstances. Secondly the situation of these Jews in European society was unique. Secularized or Christianized, or both, these Jews of the middle class were never fully accepted into German society. So neither quite Jewish nor quite German Christian, there arose a sense of double-alienation that may well lend itself to political radicalization.

I write none of this to defend al-Tamimi, but only to point out that we can comfortably reject Mr. Trifkovic's arguments without flinging about the accusation of antisemitism and engaging in a witch hunt.

After re-reading both points, l can understand how groups can come together and still have their differences. on my first trip to Europe, l heard from a Dutch person at how the Jews were not the only ones who suffered during WW2, and this Dutch person resented the point that little was made of the suffering of his people. I still think we in the West can still find common ground to soundly beat islamists at their own game. We need to stand for freedom that our ancestors have fought for and demand that islamist reform or leave the safety of our Western lands.

While the first commenter makes some strong points, I do not think it is necessary to travel quite as far down the road of history to criticize both Trifkovic's comments and Spencer's defense of them.

Marxism is far less connected in its origins to Judaism than Christianity. To hold Marx against Jews as a people, without mention of credit for Christianity, is a monstrous failure of logic and perspective.

When an otherwise demonstrably intelligent person does this, Occam's Razor points to anti-Semitism.

If liberal Jews have cried wolf at anti-Semitism too many times, it still does not serve truth to define anti-Semitism so narrowly that one is embarrassed to call it out without pictures of the offender in an SS uniform. Criticism of Israel is not anti-Semitism. Criticism of Israel without perspective on the far worse behavior of its enemies and the surrounding Arab world is either anti-Semitism, or ignorance propagated by anti-Semitism.

Jews have disproportionate achievement in many areas, including science and organized crime. But that doesn't make science or organized crime Jewish. What is the difference between Trifkovic's crediting of Judaism with Marxism and the canard of the Jewish Media?

Jews differ widely on survival and community lifestyles. The concept of "apikorsim" (anti-epicureanism) is as old as the Roman Empire. To this day, Israeli Jews who are felt to be over-Secular and materialistic are labeled: "apikorim." Many American Jews entered the entertainment industry, with the same Secularist zeal as Spinoza embraced the primacy of philosophy over theology. It is a matter of freedom of conscience, and discernment of the unconscionable. Traditional Judaism will always have a 15% - or so - community of anti-apikors.

A surprising percentage of Jews favor abandonment of Israel in favor of protection within Western Civilization. Christian Zionists - and that is not a contradictory term - are often stronger supporters than Jewish "outre" elements, or "apikors." Zionist-Mistake dogma subverts the cause. Frankly, it is my personal belief that our "Holy Lands" are Judeo-Christian - with absolute deference to Jews on Temple Mount questions - and that muslims of all types spoil the land.

http://www.tmuraisrael.org.il/53609/Epicurus-and-Apikorsim-by-Yaakov-Malkin

Don't look for a settled definition of apikori. There isn't one, because there cannot be one.

Spencer: please state your positions on Christian Zionism, and Zionist-Mistake Jews. Personally, I am a Christian Zionist and an ally of Spinoza-Jews.

Well,
It's rather RIDICULOUS that someone named Jawad al-Tamimi has denounced a Serb intellectual for anti-semitism...
Furthermore, what kind of a country is Canada to allow someone like Jawad to determine who will be admitted into the country? What happened to the freedom of speech?
Furthermore, I've read this very carefully, and the whole notion of some anti-semitism is so contrived that one would have to be an idiot to buy it. A good "score" for Jawad though... Label the Serb, so more Jawads can go unnoticed....

I reiterate my earlier apologies on this website, for being taken in by the NYT line back in the '90s, which portrayed Serbs as bloodthirsty murderers and Balkan Muslims as innocent victims. What an obscene distortion of history.

Serdja Trifkovic may not seem like an antisemite to Julia Gorin or Robert Spencer, but I'm afraid he doesn't pass my smell test. Blaming Jews for separateness from Christians, who forced them into ghettos and forced them to wear yellow stars, who discriminated against them not just for their religion but also for their ancestry (and that started with the days of the Spanish Inquisition, not Nazi Germany), is a lovely instance of blaming the victim. The "ritual and dietary laws of Talmudic Judaism" are derived from the 613 Commandments given to the Hebrews in the Torah, which, curiously, also forms a part of the Christian Bible and of which Jesus claimed to change nor jot not tittle. I have no idea why these customs would cause Jews to think they are a separate race, when it is Christians who have historically been the ones insisting that Jews are a separate race. Trifkovic's writing is appalling, and it's no surprise that he is an apologist for the Serbs who committed myriad atrocities after the breakup of Yugoslavia. (Not that Bosniaks or for that matter Croats were entirely innocent, but is happened that Serbs had the arms.) And Trifovic's jeremiad against non-European (not just Muslim) immigration is inane. I could go on, but unfortunately the JihadWatch readers who are unable to smell the antisemmitism and racism in Trifkovic's quoted writings are obviously immune to facts and reason.

Hahahahaha...Karl...and you DON'T smell Jawad? Jawad is the defender of the Jews? Check your sense of SMELL.
It's like Wiesel IDENTIFYING with the Bosnian Muslims and supporting the bombing of Serbia...
Gute Mensch...PATHETIC...and shameful.

Ground Zero, I guess your point is that if Jawad al-Tamimi objects to Trifkovic, Trifkovic must be a saint. You do a good job of validating the last words in my previous post.

Karl,

you seem to be ignoring Trifkovic's conclusion at the symposium in question. He is gravely CONCERNED with the dangers that Jews as a people (and Israel as a country) face in this bright new era we live in (namely, the utter ignorance on the WW2 within the non-European ethnic blocs in and out of the US, combined with the caustic tide of anti-Semitism hidden under the guise of the Arab-lionizing 'anti-capitalist' rhetorics). Criticizing the myopia of the liberal Jews in that regard is not anti-Semitism, quite the contrary (Trifkovic applies the same criticism toward American or Serbian ignorance in the same direction, and I would not call it a proof of his anti-Americanism or Serbophobia).

Besides, the man is a historical authority on the Holocaust. It doesn't help to trash a person who contributed so much to the historical studies on the - largely obscured in the West - Croatian and German genocide against Serbs, Jews and Gypsies in the WW2 Balkans. So is Ms. Gorin, a brave young researcher who has, thus far, shed more light on the Holocaust in the Balkans than the whole historical departments (many of whom had been shamefully duped by the genocide-apologists from the chauvinist section of Croatian diaspora and German thinly-camouflaged historical revisionists). Labeling Ms. Gorin as either soft, naive or ignorant, is ridiculous and insulting towards all the great work she's doing and to her impeccable record. The last time I checked, both Trifkovic and Gorin were tirelessly engaged in COUNTERING the anti-Semitism and Holocaust-revisionism (as Trifkovic's conclusion so evidently shows). You are throwing the hate-card around very irresponsibly toward the people which deserve gratitude for their hard work for a good cause, the remembrance of the Holocaust victims.

However, I do share some of your objections, on strictly ideological field -- being, perhaps, on the (far) left towards both Dr. Trifkovic and Ms. Gorin, I happen to ideologically like pretty much everything that traditional conservatives of all color and hue object to. I find no use in counting "disproportional presence" of this or that ethnic group within the movements which were, by definition, based on the MULTI-ETHNIC premise. On the other hand, the polemic has been going on for a long time among the Jewish intellectuals themselves, having been read far and wide by ANYONE who had EVER laid his eyes on ANY significant book written by such diverse historians as, say, Murray Rothbard, Isaac Deutcher, Paul Gotfried, or Howard Zinn. Also, it should be noted that Trifkovic objected strictly to the schools of thought which could HARDLY be connected to ANY notion of traditional Judaism or secular Jewish nationalism (if he did, it would not be fair for a conservative to dismiss the concerns of other conservatives, and your objectiuon would sound much more adequate).

As for Marx and Freud, they both were 'Mittel-Europaische' burger intellectuals of the common XIX century-burgeois kind, openly contemptuous to traditionalism of any form (Judaism included). Trotsky was (as the most early Soviet ideologues, irregardless of ethnicity) utterly disinterested and loudly indifferent towards his roots (his malevolence toward the rabbi Mazeh's appeal in 1919 speaks volumes). Equating the critique toward them with anti-Semitism is just childishly poor-grounded.

There is also a huge elephant in the Marxian Left's room (that it had seemed to be ignoring for a century and a half and counting), namely -- Marx's OWN German jingoism, most nastily demonstrated through both anti-Semitic and anti-Slavic sentiments that he was so keen on throwing around (the same goes for Proudhon's anti-Semitism in French case, Bakunin's anti-Semitism and so on: there's much ugly stuff about the XIX century Left).

We could go on and on with that. My point here is that the facts aforementioned have been (and still are) a field of legitimate polemics among historians and political philosophers: furthermore, you could barely read a book on the history of (traditional or modern) Left, without encountering such notions or the whole chapters dedicated to the various fractions and their specifics, including the ones based on ethnic backgrounds. I guess that you are familiar with the heated debate (and sometimes strong dislike) that's been going on between Zionists and Jewish (internationally oriented) Leftists for a century or so, along the lines that Trifkovic mentioned in his observation. Is Herzl an anti-Semite? Or Isaac Deutcher?

More importantly: conservative dislike towards Marx and Freud is a common, and - apart from the loony conspiracy theorists - has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. Besides, some of the most passionate critics of both Marx and Freud are Jewish: traditional conservatives, Zionists and even some more traditionally-minded leftists among them. I'm afraid that objections like yours can only prove (inadvertently, I'm sure) counter-productive: basically, you are silencing any conservative view that omits a PC-superlative toward ANY phenomenon in the history of ideas, by labeling it anti-Semitic (in Trifkovic's case, more laughably so, given the man's honorable record in the field of the Holocaust studies, and his staunch pro-Israeli views). And such an approach of yours lies in a sharp contrast to EVERYTHING that a rational, credible, fact-based intellectual debate stands for. I'm sure that none of the intellectual giants that shaped the finest features of today's intellectual discourse (be they conservative, leftist, Jewish, American, Russian, French...) would have it any other way. In order to fight the ugly beast of anti-Semitism, we must not fall under the spells of the abysmal PC-idiocy that mindlessly labels honorable and decent people, obscuring the clear line between the legitimate intellectual rigor and criticism and the sick ethnic hate and prejudice.

As we speak, I'm imagining some crazy anti-Semitic conspiracist or a neo-nazi clapping his hands in joy in his parents' basement while reading your labels and alerting his buddies "see how Kevin McDonald got it all figured out?" or a similar nonsense. Not to mention the (REAL and DOCUMENTED) fascist, anti-Semitic, Ustasha/Hanjar-SS-division-apologists among the Croatian, Bosnian Muslim and Kosovo Albanian activists, who got it in for Trifkovic and Gorin for YEARS. I don't know who this Ayman Jawad fellow is, but it smells bad all along. He showed up with a quote chopped-up out of context (ie DELIBERATELY misleading toward the note and meaning of Trifkovic's integral text) and with a label against Trifkovic,along with a blackmailing request to Robert Spencer to "clear his position" or else... Not to mention a clear propaganda cause that Ayman Jawad's been fightin' for ("the Bosnian Muslims are innocent lambs while the Evil Serbs are animals"). And it happened just DAYS after Trifkovic warned the American/Canadian public how caustic (and evidently anti-Semitic, in addition to being anti-Serbian and morbidly Jasenovac-denying) this bunch of his detractors from the "Bosnian Institute for Genocide" is.


PS How come you're so sure about the line between aggressors and victims in the Balkan wars of the 1990s? Both Croats and Muslims were very well-armed (Iranian connection has been well-documented and available to mainstream researchers for a decade or so, along with the dismal fact that the US was arming them along with the Iranians). Moreover, Bosnian Muslim leader Izetbegovic was not only a former nazi (as a young officer, he arranged the visit of Jerusalem mufti to Bosnian Muslim SS units in Sarajevo in 1943) but an evident fundamentalist (Islamic Declaration). Croatian President Tudjman was also a piece of work: a LOUD Holocaust denier of Zundel/Irving/Duke-kind, equally anti-Serbian and anti-Semitic jingoist (he publicly expressed gratitude that his wife was "neither Serb nor Jew"). And both Izetbegovic and Tudjman (zealously back by their parties' membership and, sadly, a Croatr/Muslim public turned hysterical) were pretty blunt with their plans of "solving the Serbian question" in Bosnia and Croatia along the same lines as nazis and ustasha drawn in 1941-1945. Why are you dismissing Serbian fears from the early 1990s in the face of such monstrous prospect so lightly?

Now, I'm not saying that ANY innocent victim of those ugly 1990s' wars should be treated with less respect than the others, but, don't you find it a bit fishy that ONLY the Serb victims seem to be denied of ANY respect whatsoever? And it's everywhere in mass media. Hardly EVER the suffering of Serb civilians is being mentioned, and even then with the disgusting ("yeah, but...") apology for the perpetrators in the next sentence ("you know, it's the Serbs who are the Commie-genocidal-nationalist-Ruskie-lovers, I'm tellin' ya"). I know that this thunderously loud propaganda blurred the views of otherwise decent people, but, one could always perform at least a quick historical research before passing any judgments about the character of Yugoslavian wars in the 1990s.

Reader, thank you for your lengthy response, which I'll need a bit of time to digest. However, briefly:

1) I am familiar with Trifkovic only from those passages cited in the article, and those passages have a strong odor of antisemitism. Many antisemites claim that the Jews better start doing what the antisemites want or they're in for trouble. Black people have undergone the same sort of tactic. This does nothing to convince me that Trifkovic is a sincere friend of the Jews, and it shouldn't convince you.

2) It does not surprise me at all that Trifkovic is an expert on Serbss being persecuted by Croats and Bosniaks. I wouldn't even deny that such persecution (much more significantly by the Roman Catholic Croats during WW2, the basis for the Serb-Croat conflict having largely religious roots, Christians murdering each other as they have enthusiastically done ever since the death of Jesus) has existed, but is Trifkovic thus telling us that Serbs have been blameless in this conflict? One of my better manure detectors goes off when I perceive inability to feel any shame for a one's people's historical record. Americans feel shame for slavery, for the slaughter of the American Indian, even for the temporary forced evacuation of ethnic Japanese from the West Coast during WW2 (though this resulted in more Japanese coming out of the evacuation camps than entered them). Does Trifkovic think that Serbs have ever done anything wrong? Or does he just whine, whine, whine about how all those poor Serbs, the best armed of all Yugoslav republics following the breakup of Yugoslavia, have suffered?

Reader, further:

I never said that objecting to the actions or ideas of this or that Jew or person of Jewish heritage was evidence of antisemitism. You may criticize Karl Marx, Leon Trotsky, Sigmund Freud, Ayn Rand, Murray Rothbard, Alan Greenspan, Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Will Eisner, Max Gaines, Bill Gaines, Monica Lewinsky, Kirk Douglas, Lauren Bacall, Norman Finkelstein, Norman Podhoretz, and/or Isaac Asimov to you heart's content, and so may Trifkovic. I never suggested that this was evidence of antisemitism. What I objected to was the idea that Jews are responsible for making Gentiles "Other" in the sense originated by Tzvetan Todorov and since overused and misused by many others. I never sensed myself all that "Other" as an unbeliever of Roman Catholic heritage at any of the three bar mitzvahs, one bat mitzvah, and one Jewish wedding (complete with shattered silicon) I've attended. Do your Jewish friends make you feel "Other"? Hitorically, again, it is Christians who have promoted the idea not only that the Jew has an inferior faith by is racially objectionable. This is what I said in my posting, but you don't address this point, preferring to address things I never said.

BTW, just what does Murray Rothbard have to do with the discussion at hand?

The idea that Bosniaks getting some guns smuggled in from Iran created an even killing field against Serbs who made use of the resources of the Yugoslav armed forces is beyond ridiculous.

Your idea that Trifkovic is any sort of expert on the Holocaust seems to be based on the fact that in chronicling the misdeeds of Croats he's mentioned their persecution of Jews and Gypsies along with that of Serbs. Seems rather obvious which group really concerns him.

Who are all these "Jasenovac deniers" you refer to? I don't know of anyone, even any Croats, who deny that Croats treated Serbs execrably during WW2. And they share a great deal of the blame for the bloodshed following the breakup of Yugoslavia. But they don't whine, whine, whine, "We're victims, we're victims, we're victims," as the Serb apologists do, making themselves ridiculous to most of the world. I'm not denying that some Serbs were victims, just as there were German and Japanese victims in WW2, but one may be a bit less concerned with them due to their being members of the aggressing power. The family of Anne Frank seems to me a bit more deserving of sympathy than the ethnic Germans who were kicked out of the Sudetenland after the war. That's just the way I feel.

Is it me or you have just compared Holocaust-denying Tudjman and Nazi-recruiting-Izetbegovic to Anne Frank, and their Serbian victims to Germans? You despicable monster.

I was going to respond as I've started - in a civil and fact-based manner - but, having read this hateful bile going over and over, it seems impossible (EVERY notion Karl had made in regard to the Serbs, has been followed by his mantric howling of "whine, whine, whine" -- obviously, a hateful troll with an (ustasha-apologizing) agenda, posing as a disinterested observer).

Also, a person who "doesn't know anything about Trifkovic" was a bit too eager to dismiss his expertise on the Holocaust studies (easily provable in matter of seconds) and, worse - to attempt to discredit the nazi and Croatian ustasha crime in the Balkans ("the first chapter of the Holocaust", as Jonathan Steinberg noted) as some obscure tribal feud. Continuing a dialogue with such a person is insulting. Period.

However, my initial post was directed toward other participants as well (I hope that Notthemidwest and Jefferson Makabi read it sometimes, because their critique seemed genuine, unlike this Tudjmanite poseur Karl. )

I meant: to attempt to discredit THE VICTIMS of nazi/ustasha crime in the Balkans as some obscure tribal feud.

This is just plainly outrageous.

Funny, I specifically mentioned Croat persecution of Serbs during WW2. I did neglect to mention the formula of killing a third of them, converting a third to Roman Catholicism, and driving the remaining third away, but I'm not sure that this makes me an Ustasha apologist or (heaven forbid) a "Tudjmanite poseur". I suppose I'm suspect for having grown up in a Croat city (San Pedro, California), where my mind was irretrievably twisted by my sinister Ustasha classmates. Anyhow, this becomes more ridiculous with every succeeding post, so perhaps it's just as well to end it.

It's not the point in you being "more specific" or anything, it's just the fairly evident agenda of yours, dishonestly (but clumsily) hidden under the pretense of objectivity and truth. You are CONSTANTLY referring to the WW2 genocide in "Independent State of Croatia" as a "Croat persecution of Serbs" (and it was not just that, but the integral part of the Holocaust as well - having been meant to carry the "final solution" of Serbs, Jews and Gypsies as "inferiors" in Croatian ustasha ideology - as described by both Croats and Germans themselves at the time, and the later Holocaust studies). I have no idea what's the reason for your take on Trifkovic, but you are being unfair and dishonest all along, with this crafty little tactics of denying his contribution to that historical field (as a part of the Holocaust in general) with this outrageous attempts of yours to reduce the phenomenon of the ustasha genocide itself into the level of some bizarre inter-ethnic Croats-hate-Serbs-who-hate-Croats-back folklore, devoid of its BASIC WW2-context.

And this dehumanizing and ridiculing contempt that you are showing toward ANY notion of Serbs being among the victims in the 1990s wars, speaks volumes on your true intentions. I was not even IMPLYING that the Serbs should be excused for their share of atrocities (neither did Trifkovic, as far as I know from reading him occasionally on the 1990s Balkans... and it's all online so you can easily disprove me). I just mentioned how utterly unfair the whole business of ignoring the Serbian victims in the Western mainstream looks, countered by evidence. To which you have responded with this disgusting label:

"But they don't whine, whine, whine, "We're victims, we're victims, we're victims," as the Serb apologists do, making themselves ridiculous to most of the world. I'm not denying that some Serbs were victims, just as there were German and Japanese victims in WW2, but one may be a bit less concerned with them due to their being members of the aggressing power. The family of Anne Frank seems to me a bit more deserving of sympathy than the ethnic Germans who were kicked out of the Sudetenland after the war. That's just the way I feel."

Having been informed of both Tudjman's and Izetbegovic's political backgrounds and agendas towards Serbs in the 1990s (whose accuracy - in an unlikely case that you really are clueless on the Balkans - you can also check and call me a liar if my argument proves misleading or fictional), you DELIBERATELY went on with the narrative of ''Serbs are today's WW2 Germans and Japanese"-labeling. All that despite the fact that the ugliness of such notion lies in the VERY fact that it was THE SERBS in Bosnia and Croatia that were subjected to revisionist rhetoric of Croat and Muslim nazi-flag-waving leadership and their frantic followers, and not the other way around, as you're CONSTANTLY trying to imply). I'm sorry, but it amounts to a deal-breaker. I just cannot participate in such conversation.

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