That is exactly how Malaysian authorities are proceeding: the content of the Bible is now a controlled substance. Which is easier to score in Malaysia nowadays -- hydrocodone or a shipment of Malay-language Bibles?
Once again, Qur'an 29:46 does say "Our Allah and your Allah is One, and unto Him we surrender," but it is a talking point for Islamic proselytizing, and a one-way line of discourse in a manner in which a non-Muslim would be prohibited from preaching to a Muslim under Islamic law.
The intention of this Islamic supremacist game is twofold: first, as always, there is the general desire to remind unbelievers who's boss. But if Malay-speaking Christians relent and cede their right to the name of God in their own language, it will also make it that much easier for Muslims to portray them as polytheists, creating excuses for further hostility and oppression. "Churches in Malaysia reject Bibles held up and desecrated by the government," by Debra Chong for Asia News, March 17:
KUALA LUMPUR, March 17 — The Christian community said today that it is appalled by what it says is the Najib administration’s desecration of 5,100 holy books shipped in from Indonesia and has flat out refused to collect the Port Klang shipment.
The Christian Federation of Malaysia (CFM), which represents over 90 per cent of churches in the country, insisted that Putrajaya immediately drop the conditions imposed for the release of two shipments of Malay Bibles totalling 35,000 copies seized from Port Klang and Kuching port.
Last night, the Bible Society of Malaysia (BSM) was told its shipment of 5,100 Alkitab—as the Malay Bibles are called—were stamped with the Home Ministry’s official seal, as per the conditions imposed for the release issued two days ago, without its prior permission.
The first requires the importers to stamp directly on the cover of each of the 35,000 copies the following words: “Peringatan: ‘Al Kitab Berita Baik’ ini untuk kegunaan penganut agama Kristian sahaja. Dengan perintah Menteri Dalam Negeri”
The cover of the Bibles would be stamped with the department’s official seal and dated as well.
The second condition requires the importers to stamp a serial number on each copy as if to demarcate copies from the released shipment and to enable the book to be traced back to the port of import.
Such paranoia makes the faith of Malaysia's Muslim establishment look fragile and weak. The message they send in being so afraid of a book -- of being afraid of the availability of the Bible -- is not one of temporal or spiritual strength.
“This means that the Bahasa Malaysia Bible is now treated as a restricted item, and the Word of God has been made subject to the control of man. This is wholly offensive to Christians,” the CFM said in a strongly worded statement today signed by its chairman, Bishop Ng Moon Hing.
The umbrella body refuted government claims it had reached a compromise, saying it had never agreed that its holy books should be endorsed to say, “It is only for Christians”.
“Any person who respects the Holy Scriptures of any religion would be appalled by this action. We will never accede to any desecration of the Bible since the Word of God to us is sacred,” it said.
Pointing to a 1982 order issued under the Internal Security Act (ISA), the CFM said nowhere in the law is it stated that any form of words had to be endorsed on any copy of the Bible in Bahasa Malaysia. “Given that copies may already have been endorsed, we will not take delivery of those endorsed copies,” it added.
The CFM said it also wholly rejects the federal government’s argument that the Bible in Bahasa Malaysia is “prejudicial to the national interest and security of Malaysia”. It condemned the government’s treatment of its holy books as “subversive publication”.
The CFM said Christian Malaysians have always acted in good faith and with great patience to reach a peaceful end to religious dispute that would not compromise their beliefs. “But that good faith has not been reciprocated by the government,” it said.
It further accused Putrajaya of having moved the “goal posts” over the years “through a systematic imposition of unreasonable conditions and restrictions”....
The second condition requires the importers to stamp a serial number on each copy as if to demarcate copies from the released shipment and to enable the book to be traced back to the port of import.
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This also means that any Muslim found with one of these books in the future would likely lead to "proselytizing" charges against the Christians they were traced to.
This is, to put it mildly, not consistent with freedom of speech. I have a copy of the Bible and the Qu'ran in my library—the latter is for purposes of educating myself about Islam. At various times, I have also had copies of the Baghavad Gita, the Book of Mormon, and various other religious texts.
None of these have been "restricted".
The signs in the picture above are just more examples of Muslim supremacy. As noted, they would only allow the use of "Allah" by members of other religions if they believed it would be useful for the spread of Islam.
Greetings:
I guess that when half your brain (or maybe more) is trapped in the Middle Ages, "imprimaturs" and "nihil obstats" make a good bit of sense, if that's the right word.
Thanks for posting this.
I'm really proud of Malay Christians. They are finally one of many oppressed Christian communities in the Muslim world ready to stand against injustice.
The silence of these types of issues on the Left is deafening. I truly doubt a single Leftist ideologue or blogger has raised awareness of this story.
Muslims, of course, won't. They only whine about equality and religious liberty when it suits them.
Islam is a club for control freaks! Nothing must exist outside of their control. This obsession shows how sick Islam is.
But one way to show these control freaks you won't be cowed would be to print underground copies of the Bible without the seal and leave them in public places. Even just print a few pages of the Bible and leave them on buses, in restaurants, park benches, all over the place.
The control freaks would be shown not to have complete control. That would infuriate them!
Where are the "moderate muslims"?
silence...
Yet if any Western country were to institute such a practice for mein kuranmpf those "moderates" would be screaming, ranting, raving, yelling "bigots, racists, islamophobes, witch hunters, hate-mongers..." But not a peep out of them when those "misunderstanderers" do it non-mohammadans.
Yet our leaders and libtards cannot or refuse to see the hypocrisy of the "moderates."
I once had coffee with an elderly Malay lady who had fled her country. I listened earnestly to her tales of woe; murdered relatives and her own forced exile. She was a Christian, and when she spoke with conviction of what is evil I had my doubts about her state of mind. I tried to say that the people who had committed the atrocities were evil, but that there must be some good in them, i.e. they still have hope of redemption.
She was convinced that Muslims are evil. This was before I researched their belief system, so I found it hard to accept. I have learned about most of the religions and traditional philosophies of the world in which I have found insights and respect: with the exception of Islam, which is utterly devoid of meaning bar its own self-aggrandisement.
Generally people are incapable of understanding Islam as their own culture has obliterated from their mindset the ability to use their faculties to discriminate effectively. The control that political correctness has over language and thought must be the the front-line against Islam. Much of the issues tackled by the politically correct movement were worthwhile causes, though they do not remain static. And as truly religious people the world over know, reality is always more complex than the word, even the Word of God.
Jesus...the only controlled substance that is good for you!
Why in earth that Bibles are banned while Quran is not ??
TwoCrows
how long ago was that conversation? Just interested to know.
There is no openness, democratic values or acceptance of truth in any Muslim society. If I speak one word about the truly happened events in the life of prophet then thousand of brainless Muslims will begin their protests. It is always so easy for Muslim kings, dictators and religious teachers to encourage millions of uneducated, job-less and poor Muslims willing to protest because they are totally oblivious to the true teachings of Islam. Enough hook and crook, mixed chemicals, bombs, knives, swords, machine guns and explosive devices are always provided to these lawless protestors through worship-places called mosques. Either I am a Muslim or I am an animal that should be stone to death, this is the policy of my nation without any exception. Inquiring, questioning and knowing the truth and then follow it has never been the case of Muslim nation.
1.Prophet has issued strict religious order; kill[1] the murtad (one who quits Islam).
The Islamic countries try to fulfill this command and in case if an Islamic government want to show its liberality and does not punish the murtad by itself then the ordinary Muslims fulfill this command. Look around the world how many people are killed by the scary mobbish[2] of Muslims.
Many times these mobbish are organized by the secret or open support of governments.
Some time the governments arrest the victims under the excuse of “security reasons” and they spend a long time of their lives in jails. And many times the intelligence agencies also harass the relatives of the victims to stop further apostasy.
http://truthunlimited.blog.com/about/
It makes one sick at heart.The good news is there is change in the hearts of many people in the Muslim world.Like in Iran,where at least 1 million have left Islam and become Christian.
Chcek out this article on Joel Rosenberg's book "Inside the Revolution:How the Followers of Jihad,Jefferson and Jesus are Battling to Dominate the Middle East and Transform It"(2009)
http://www.antisharia.com/2011/03/13/about-joel-rosenberg-and-his-great-book-on-muslims-and-ex-muslimsinside-the-revolution/
ALSO THIS:
Why Christians shout NOT eat Halal Meat,it is against an NT command:
http://www.antisharia.com/2011/03/16/muslims-expect-halal-meat-from-western-institutions-and-why-they-should-serve-christians-non-halal-meat/
PLUS READ:
1.answeringmuslims.com
2.answering-islam.org
3.thereligionofconquest.com
4.See the videos (click on "online videos") of abnsat.com(like "Jihad Exposed","Debate","Jesus or Muhammad").
The videos are also on youtube,write "abnsat".
5.Also PYEM Ministry:
http://pyemministry.blogspot.com/
(very critical of Islam)
6.The blog "Debunking Quranic Science":
http://debunkingquranicscience.blogspot.com/
7.WIKISLAM(with 1,400 articles):
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Main_Page
8."Confident Christianity by Mary Jo Sharp":
Home Page:
http://confidentchristianity.com/
Her blog:
http://www.confidentchristianity.blogspot.com/
Also read:
antisharia.com and:
avraidire.com:
http://www.avraidire.com/
(in French and English),you can translate the French by copying and pasting with Google Translate:
http://translate.google.com/#
They might just as well stamp "666" on the bibles because that essentially is what it amounts to.
Mohammad was and IS the "anti-Christ" as prophesied by John of Patmos in revelations.
Islamists feel threatened by Christianity and they should feel threatened. Christianity, and truth, will eventually triumph over the evil of Islam and they know this.
It's moderate Malaysia, in action again!
You're wrong. Arab christians, and jews in arab countries refer to their god as Allah. Arab muslims don't care about this and their bibles aren't confisticated.
This has to do with Malay racial arrogance and supremacy again. The Malays, thinking that they are such good muslims, are very arrogant. They even tie being muslim in malaysia, to being an ethnic Malay, even though malays were kuffar polythiests before they converted to Islam, while othe races were muslims already.
therefore anyone, no matter what race they belong too, once they convert to Islam in Malaysia, they become an ethnic "Malay". The Malay politcians and sultans constantly harp on preserving "malay racial supremacy".
Other muslims countries don't do that crap. In a Hadith the prophet said that all races were equal, a black is not superior to white and white is not superior to black.
The Malays don't know **** about how Arabs in Syria and Iraq conduct their affairs. The Malays probably don't even know arab christianx exist, therefore, they assume that Allah is to be used exclusively for Islam, despite the fact that the Arab polytheists before Islam, and Arab christians in Arabia used Allah to refer to their god before Islam.
More crap from "Horse". It seems Malays are just one more group who misunderstand what it is to be Muslim, just like Pakistanis, and Arabs, and anyone else who doesn't belong to the tiny minority of Hui from western China.
Islam does have a peculiar whiff of ethnic Malay supremacism in Malaysia, but that is not all that different from the pronounced streak of Arab supremacism across so much of the Muslim Middle East.
You quote the Hadith where Muhammed says "white is not superior to black", but seem to have missed the passages where he refers to black Africans as *slaves* and "raisin heads".
As for the supposed freedom of religion enjoyed by Arab Christians, this is totally false. Christians are regularly persecuted across the region. The population of Christians in such traditional strongholds as Lebanon, Syria, the "West Bank", and Iraq are falling fast in the face of violence from Muslims.
The Christian neighborhood of Baghdad, Dora, has almost ceased to exist as Christians have fled to Kurdish Iraq and Syria after assassinations and threats there.
The Christian population of Bethlehem and Nazareth has dropped precipitously. Muslims are blowing up churches and murdering Copts in Egypt. The last Christian bookstore was destroyed by an explosion in Gaza a couple of years ago.
There is no real freedom of religion anywhere ib Dar-al-Islam.
slaves and "raisin head", are adjectives used to describe physical characterisitcs, and he was specifically talking about ONE ethiopian king, not all ethiopians or even africans as a whole. Thats just as if i pointed out a group of gay people of different ethnicities gathering somewhere, and said to my friend "there's a gay brazilian". Im not saying all brazilians are gay, im just stating a fact.
What did I say about arab christians? I said that they are allowed to use the word "Allah" to refer to their god, and use Allah in their bibles and prayers, as they have done hundreds of years before muslims.
And i was talking about CHRISTIAN arabs, arab supremacism would by logic INCLUDE christian arabs.
When did I talk about persecution or denying that people were driving christians out?
oh and by the way check out this article from the Israeli media- a christian arab was stabbed ten times by haredi jews....
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4045047,00.html
"Christian Arab assaulted near Safed says 'Jews' racism against us has reached point of real violence'
Hassan Shaalan Published: 03.20.11, 17:51 / Israel News
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Alber Halul, who was stabbed Saturday night by a group of masked men he claims are haredim, recounted the attack Sunday. "They threatened to shoot us if we resisted and stabbed me 10 times – in my head, my leg, and my neck," he told Ynet.
Halul, a 22-year old Christian Arab from the Galilee town of Gush Halav, was assaulted while with a group of friends at Ein Zeitim forest, near Safed.
"It wasn't the first time the 22-year old was attacked due to his race. "I won't return to the forest again. The Jews' hatred and racism against us has reached a point of real violence that threatens our lives," he said. "
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This isn't a story from the hamas or hezbollah media. This is from yNet, a JEWISH news agency.
Obama must read!
Horse, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I rarely, scratch that, never have I read a Leftist making such nuanced comments regarding the role of religion and race in the United States or Israel.
It would seem Malay Muslims are acting similarly (though not perfectly, as you said converts are treated as ethnic, 'true' Malays) to how Americans have acted several decades ago with regard to people of other races.
In Israel, where one group identifies with both race and religion, I suppose the similarities between Malay Muslims are more striking.
However, the point, as I said, is that it is between rare and never where someone on the Left is as nuanced as you would want members on this site to be. So why take off the blindfolds now?
I would also say that knowing a Christian from Malaysia, genuine religious fanaticism on the part Muslims is more rampant than what most would be aware of.
oh and by the way check out this article from the Israeli media- a christian arab was stabbed ten times by haredi jews....
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The victim said his assailants—which were masked—sounded as though they could be Jews. This attack is of course appalling no matter who the attackers were.
The incredible mounting violence against Christians in the region, however, is committed almost entirely by Muslims. Christians are not being driven out of Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, the "West Bank", and Egypt *by Orthodox Jews*.
More:
And i was talking about CHRISTIAN arabs, arab supremacism would by logic INCLUDE christian arabs.
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But it does not. The constant references in the Qu'ran and other Islamic texts to Arabs and the Arab language, and the present-day habits of non-Arab Muslims taking Arab names and claiming descent from the line of the "Prophet" or his companions, and the oppression of non-Arab Muslims such as Berbers, Kurds, or black Africans, has *nothing* to do with Arab Christians. Arab supremacism is a sub-set of Muslim supremacism.
As a non-Arab Muslim yourself, this is not something you can be unaware of.
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slaves and "raisin head", are adjectives used to describe physical characterisitcs
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What sort of "physical characteristics" does a *slave* have? I suppose you are so enmeshed in the terrible savagery of your creed that you fail to see what an appalling thing that is to say.
Do you still believe that black Africans *look like slaves*? Certainly, many of your barbaric coreligionists in places like Sudan still believe this. How awful.
christian arabs are treated much better than muslim kurds in Syria.
a kurd in syria cannot speak his language in public or publish books in kurdish or celebrate his own holidays (nowruz, the kurdish/iranian new year is banned, Syrian security forces attack Kurds who celebrate it). Many kurds were stripped of their citizenship when a census was taken in the 60's.
Arab christians get Sunday off, on orthodox christmas, the government closes, arab christians can speak their own language freely. Christmas and Easter are celebrated as official holidays. Arab christians are full citizens of Syria.
http://www.dp-news.com/pages/detail.aspx?l=2&articleid=69348
In the Syrian constitution, it is written that Syria is an Arab republic, and the official name of syria is "Syrian Arab Republic"
Israel is playing a role in driving christian arabs out of the west bank. it treats all palestinians, regardless of religion as potential terrorists (and that may be right, since George Habash, a palestian militant who lead to PLPF against Israel was a Christian) but it has succeeded in reducing the population of arab christians.
The only group of christians that is growing in Israel, are Russian orthodox "Jews" who used the fact that they have like 1% jewish ancestry to move from the Soviet Union to Israel. This "growth" in these immigrants, who are neither arab nor really jewish is the figure commonly cited by zionists that Israel is protecting christians.
Ladies and gentlemen
it would be best to ignore 'horse' the Chinese Mohammedan.
He is here for one reason and one reason only: to throw showers and showers of sand.
He will say whatever he thinks will, at any juncture, work to 1. divide various kinds of non-Muslims from one another, stirring up enmity, distrust, etc. and/ or 2. deflect attention from the core teachings of Islam and the way those teachings work out in practice, and *have* worked out in practice, in Muslim societies all over the world.
He will attack me. He will attack Gravenimage. He will attack Wellington. He will attack certain other 'regulars' of this forum. He will hiss, and spit, and sneer, and throw out masses of factoids wrapped in 'spin'.
He will do that because we keep the spotlight relentlessly on the core teachings of Islam, as found in the core, canonical texts of Islam and their traditional, mainstream interpretations, and on the fact that those teachings, the doctrines of Islam, the principles of sharia, do massively influence and colour the behaviour of Muslims amongst themselves and toward non-Muslims, in most parts of the Islamic world; and we also observe that the behaviour of Muslims in many parts of dar al Islam today is eerily similar to the behaviour observed by intelligent non-Muslim visitors to dar al Islam, in all centuries preceding this, from the 8th to the 20th.
As for the report Horse cited, ofmasked men who sounded as though they might have been Jews, attacking an Arab Christian...I do recall that there have been occasions when Arab Muslims, inside Israel, have disguised themselves in the costume of Orthodox Jews, in order to attack and kill...Jews.
I happen to know, too, that Arab Muslim men in Israel have pretended to be devout practising Jews, convincingly enough to be able to inveigle Jewish girls into marriage..and then the poor girls discover that the man they thought was 'Moshe' is actually 'Musa', or Yoseph is 'Yusuf', with two wives already, in an Arab village deep in the boondocks, and they (the bamboozled Jewish brides) are intended to be the Jewish slave to those Muslim wives, to be ordered about, and beaten, and starved, and generally treated like sh*t.
r. a. khan
you are an apostate, I presume?
If you are indeed an apostate from Islam, you are most welcome here and your contributions will be much appreciated.
Dumbledore's Army wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen
it would be best to ignore 'horse' the Chinese Mohammedan.
He is here for one reason and one reason only: to throw showers and showers of sand.
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You are—of course—correct, DDA. So often, though, "Horse" will post some meretricious load of idiocy—and I'll become concerned that some new JW readers, unfamiliar with his appalling record, will assume he has some valid point to make if his comments pass unchallenged.
But he does, indeed, throw up prodigious amounts of obfuscation—hoping to confuse if not convince with his endless Taqiyya.
He keeps singing the praises of Syria (which, as Hugh has pointed out, is *atypical* in that although it is majority-Muslim it is ruled by the heretical Alawites, who keep the Sunnis and Shiites under their thumb and allow the local Christians a bit of slack because they know they're harmless).
Well, in my 'Syria' file I came across a **fascinating** article by a Jew who - keeping his Jewish identity carefully concealed - visited Syria, only recently, and got a good idea of what kind of society it was.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/27775
Friday, 28 May 2010
'An American Jew in Damascus'.
A few samples:
'...my Arabic professor, who is an Armenian Christian from Syria, gravely warned me to never mention my religion or any prior travel to Israel, let alone his name in case the secret police are watching me.
'His admonitions were not at all surprising given his recollections of growing up in Aleppo and on class trips with his school to watch the authorities hang Jews'...
'As an American I was confronted by eager Syrians wanting to educate me against the Jews/AIPAC/Israel/Zionists who are controlling America.
'My German friends were often greeted by shop-owners with a Heil Hitler while expressing their love for the Third Reich.
"What was most shocking to me was that even the most westernized and independent thinkers I met were obsessed with conspiracy theories.
'Many are convinced that 9/11 was carried out by the US or Jews; that the US caused the earthquake in Haiti in order to occupy it for its resources (which ones I do not know); that Israel caused the earthquake in order to send in medical teams to steal organs or to distract the world from Gaza; that the Mossad downed Ethiopian Airlines 737 leaving from Beirut; that the Department of Defense or Mossad created H1N1 while investing in pharmaceuticals to profit off of the sick; the list goes on.'...
'Occasionally I would venture to challenge someone's anti-semitic beliefs.
' I tried pointing out how the Jews had suffered in Syria, or would direct the conversation to why there are no more Jews [in Syria], and where they might be.
'I was always met with blank stares, a confused look that did not understand why I was not agreeing with them.
'After all, any good person's moral compass in the Arab world has Palestine as the epitome of Good, and Israel/Jews as the epitome of Evil. No one I spoke to cared what the fate was of Syrian Jewry.
'Against this backdrop of hatred and indoctrination were the good people, those whom I could tell I was Jewish and had been to Israel.
'They were, more often than not, **minorities who felt threatened by the government or the majority Sunni population.** {my emphasis - dda}
'They were Armenians, Christians, Muslim Kurds, seculars and homosexuals--this last minority group officially does not exist in Syria.'
{Nota bene - **they felt threatened**. And this includes the Armenians (who are Christian, and the Christians generally. So much for all the horse-sh*t that "horse' keeps spouting about how Christians are well treated in Syria...- dda}.
And further back in my files, I came across this item from jihadwatch, 2004.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2004/10/whistling-in-the-dark-syrian-churches-commemorate-october-1973-war-with-israel.html
Mr Spencer introduced the article *thus*:
"Funny thing: this evening I have a meeting planned with a Christian family from Syria.
"Why are they in the United States?
"**Because they saw their children again and again denied jobs and academic placements, in Baathist secular Syria, because they were Christians** {my emphasis - dda}.
"Christians are streaming out of the Middle East because of the constant discrimination and harassment they face: remnants of the dhimmi system arising from the resurgence of Islamic radicalism and deeply embedded cultural attitudes."
First of all, according to one of your OWN WESTERN EVANGELICAL WEBSITES, converts to protestant christianity in Syria are not harassed by muslims, but by Syrian CHRISTIANS. (most likely orthodox or catholic)
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Quoted directly from western evangelical website on persecution
(you have to click on syria in the map to get to its profile when you reach the website)
http://www.persecution.com/public/restrictednations.aspx?clickfrom=bWFpbl9tZW51
"Syria is a secular state, but Islam is recognized as the religion of the majority. The constitution provides some religious
freedom. Thousands of Lebanese Christians sought refuge in Syria when war raged between Israel and Hezbollah terrorists in the summer of 2006, and many have stayed. Syria is also home to the largest number of Iraqi refugees — more than 1 million. Some refugees, including converts to Christianity, have experienced persecution in Syria.
Category: Restricted Nation
Religion: Muslim 90.32%, Christian 5.12%
Ideology: Islam
Head of State: President Bashar al-Asad
Traditional Christian minority groups experience relative freedom within the larger Islamic society. However, Christian evangelism is not welcome, and missionaries are not allowed in the country. The government closely monitors all activities deemed a threat to communal harmony, so most churches in Syria are hesitant to evangelize Muslims. The government is curious about those who convert from Islam to Christianity, but so far it has not tried to hinder conversions or harass converts. The biggest persecutors of converts from Islam are members of the traditional churches, who feel threatened by evangelism."
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The first bit about harrasment is talking about iraqi refugess only, and Not Syrians in General.
and then is says- "The government is curious about those who convert from Islam to Christianity, but so far it has not tried to hinder conversions or harass converts. The biggest persecutors of converts from Islam are members of the traditional churches, who feel threatened by evangelism"
But no doubt DDA will say "its the muslims fault!" LOL.
It was on the demand of the Orthodox and Catholic churches in Syria that the government crack down on protestant evangelical "house churches", which led to their closure last year.
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syrian catholic and orthodox christians are anti semitic there was a blood libel against the jews in the 19th century over Jews murdering a christian monk and baking their blood into matza bread. It was called the "Damascus affair".
Even this Zionist website, the "jewishvirtuallibrary", mentions the notorious damascus affair and christian antisemitism in syria
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0005_0_04831.html
Do you know any Syrian christians yourself or are you just reading Bat Yeor's propaganda?
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And you just posted a massive amount of drivel on anti semitism.
Newsflash for you, Syrian christians, and druze are anti semitic. Nothing to do with Islam at all. I never said Syria was Jew friendly.
the Lebanese Druze leader Wiam Wahhab said that he liked Germany since they "burned the Jews"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAE-086ztV0
look up Wiam Wahhab and "druze", into any search engine, He is not sunni or shia, he is druze.
General Daoud Rajha is current Chief of Staff of the Syrian army and General Wadih al-Muqabari is commander of the Syrian airforce, both are christian.
There is no anti semitism in China among muslims, except the Uyghurs, I'm "afraid" to say that Jews are treated just like any other foreigner who are visitors to any Hui community in China. And there is a dumb fascination with Jews among asians, that Jews hold magical power in regards to the economy and with jewish figures like Einstein, its the opposite effect of what the conspiracy theories on jews have in the middle east.
Ladies and gentlemen
just scroll on past 'horse'. Don't bother trying to sort out truth from falsehood in the complex interweaving of factoids that he spews forth in such vast quantities.
He's a Muslim defending Islam.
For such a person, objective truth has no value. All that matters is to deflect, or distract, or seduce; and at all costs to prevent people from realizing what the Mohammedans are *really* up to - the imposition, by force or by fraud, of a global theocratic despotism with Muslims on top and everybody else as their oppressed slaves - until it is too late.
'Horse' spits and snarls about "Bat Yeor's propaganda".
That tells us all that we need to know.
Bat Yeor lifted the lid on what Muslims did to Jews *and* Christians inside dar al Islam. She exposed the vicious ugliness and cruelty of the dhimma system to a broad audience.
Bat Yeor is praised by Jacques Ellul as a meticulous, thorough, patient and truth-telling scholar. Jacques Ellul did not hand out praise lightly. He did not suffer fools gladly. So when he praised Bat Yeor, that praise was praise indeed.
So when "Horse' sneers at Bat Yeor, then he exposes *himself* for what he is: a vulgar, common-or-garden Muslim liar and spin-doctor.
And, I'll bet my bottom dollar, Jew-hater.
Nothing bad happened to Nestorian christians and Jews in China. They got assimilated into the Hui community.
There are thousands of Hindus in Oman, and Hindu temples in Muscat, the capital of Oman.
http://kashmirblogs.wordpress.com/2009/03/22/the-hindu-diaspora-in-the-middle-east/
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:hEDG0iVBlxcJ:www.hindujagruti.org/news/index.php%3Fprint/id:9159,pdf:1+During+the+Babri+Masjid+riots+in+India,+the+Sultan+personally+ordered+his+guard+to+protect+the+temple.+He+told+us+not+to+fear+any+attacks+and+to+continue+with+our+pujas&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjT3DGtOzxQ1FUnVOZhFPvoWxr4iUD5LKAXg0KmL4Pbs_6yu25NE3W3125yrXbT14wjlH5fC8q3F5dONllAn2cS8Wbwb2JGexG_K6aJv4fZ8O-rlTa_hQefhL80crar2iXMyPVb&sig=AHIEtbSfuQflVp7VA7XRDjlR4IUAivJRbg
"The best countries for the Hindu diaspora in the Middle East are Bahrain, Oman and Dubai, not necessarily in
the same order. Of these, Oman has the best record, for the Sultans, the traditional rulers Oman have great
regard for India and know its customs and vagaries. Sultan Taimur, the present Sultan’s grandfather, spent
more than 30 years in Mumbai till his death in 1965, after his abdication; he is buried there. Sultan Said, the
present Sultan’s father, studied in India. Oman’s current ruler, Sultan Qaboos bin Said, personally granted
support to the building of two temples in the country. Jayant Vyas, the second priest at the Krishna Temple,
Muscat, is all praise for the Sultan and adds : "During the Babri Masjid riots in India, the Sultan personally
ordered his guard to protect the temple. He told us not to fear any attacks and to continue with our pujas."
Hinduism first came to Muscat in 1507 from Sindh. Indeed, four Hindu temples existed in Muscat ca. 1760.
The number of Hindus had declined in the 20th century, although it is now stable. The historical Hindu
Quarters of al-Waljat and al-Banyan are no longer occupied by Hindus. Today Oman is the only country in
the Middle East which has an indigenous Hindu minority. It is the only Arab country, where irrespective of his
or her religion, any person who has lived in the country for at least 20 years, is eligible to apply for citizenship,
which almost a thousand Indians have so far been accorded so far."
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