Muslims equate criticism with hate: Denounce plans to investigate domestic terrorism

More whining and claiming of victim status, and refusal to deal with the question of jihad and Islamic supremacist activity among Muslims in the U.S. So drearily predictable, and yet no one in the mainstream media, government or law enforcement ever calls them on it.

"Muslims equate criticism with hate: Denounce plans to investigate domestic terrorism," by Michael Carl for WorldNetDaily, March 3:

Muslim groups today cried foul over what they have alleged is a growing "cottage industry of hate" in America.

The Arab American Institute and the Muslim Public Affairs Council held a joint forum in Washington and said the event is their answer to U.S. Rep. Peter King's domestic terror hearings set to begin next week.

Islamic groups in America have played these hearings masterfully. They’ve opposed them vehemently despite their toothlessness, while most conservatives have supported King. Thus when the King hearings find nothing, as is almost certain, the Islamic groups can say that even hearings they opposed and that conservatives supported found nothing, and that proves that the Islamic community in the U.S. has nothing to do with terrorism.

In a prepared statement for the packed Rayburn House Building hearing room, Arab American Institute Executive Director Maya Berry said that "Islamophobia" is on the increase, lifting quotes from three members of the U. S. House.

"Islam, quote, is very vile, very vicious and we've allowed it to come into this country because we ride around with bumper stickers that say, 'Coexist,'" Berry quoted.

"'There are too many mosques in America,' 'I am running for the people of the 2nd North Carolina District who are good, hard-working Christian people,'" Berry also quoted.

"These were the comments of Congressman Allen West, Chairman Peter King and Congresswoman Renee Ellmers, respectively," Berry added.

Berry continued by saying that she believes dialogue is important.

"When different people with different views on issues, it's important that we are able to engage in a discourse and dialogue about them. When it's elected officials who are talking about the American Muslim community, often about the Arab-American community in a way like this, it's a slightly different kind of dynamic," Berry said....

Institute for Global Engagement Senior Fellow Suhail Khan said a "cottage industry of hate" has appeared and called out specific anti-Muslim activists and accused them of a smear campaign.

"These people have grown in their ability to get their hateful message out there, their misinformation and their fear mongering, in intensity, in recent years that we've seen now, particularly on the net," Khan said.

"Who are they? As Matt pointed out, you have folks like Frank Gaffney and the Center for Security Policy. People like David Horowitz, Robert Spencer, Andrew McCarthy, Pamela Geller. It's a real small group, but they've formed very cohesive networks that has kind of parceled out different chores when it comes to each facet of this work," Khan stated.

"You have Frank, who purports to be a national security expert. You have Andrew McCarthy who kind of brings the legal side of this. Robert Spencer, who has no training in Islam or any knowledge, who comes out to try to be the expert on Islam itself, and then throws up a lot of different verses and instances about Islam the faith," Khan claimed.

Come on with it, Suhail. The problem with this oft-repeated claim is that neither you nor any of your coreligionists are willing or able to back it up. You won't debate me, although you tried to debate me by proxy by setting me up as a foil when you debated Frank Gaffney. Neither will any of the other Muslim and non-Muslim Islamic apologists who feel free to make broad-based and inaccurate attacks on my scholarship and integrity: when it comes to backing up their claims in debate with me, they suddenly get cold feet. These include Ahmed Afzaal; Akbar Ahmed; Karen Armstrong; Reza Aslan; Jamal Badawi; Robert Crane; Dinesh D'Souza (although I did best him in debate at CPAC in 2007, he refuses a return engagement, perhaps sensing the outcome would be the same); Carl Ernst; John Esposito; Mark LeVine; Khaleel Mohammed; Grover Norquist; Brave Ahmed Rehab; Louay Safi; and the viciously mendacious pseudo-academic Omid Safi, who ought to have been fired from UNC-Chapel Hill long ago for his vile fabrications about me supposedly sending him death threats.

Now, I know the line that you and your colleagues have formulated to explain away this exercise in cowardice: that I am such a detestable character, and that what I say is so self-evidently false, that it isn't worth the time and trouble to debunk what I say, and it would only dignify me to do so. The problem with this, Suhail, is that people aren't buying it. I have two bestselling books, I frequently brief law enforcement and the intelligence community, and speak all over to people who are listening.

In view of that, you and your friends would be much better advised to engage me in debate, defeat me soundly (which should be easy, after all, if I really am as ignorant as you claim), and end my baneful influence forever. That would save you a good deal of whining about that influence in articles like this one in World Net Daily. So consider this post my calling you out and challenging you yet again.

But I understand why you don't want to debate me, Suhail, despite the fact that an increasing number of people see through your implausible excuse: after all, look what happened to poor Moustafa Zayed.

"Pam Geller is kind of the blogger on the ground. Then you have David Horowitz who is the ex-communist and has now seen the light and has come out to sound the alarm bells first about communism and now about the threat of Islam," Khan added....

Note the completely substance-free ad hominems.

Later in the forum, Deepa Iyer said, "Islamophobia has led to an anti-immigration attitude in the U. S. It hurts minorities and leads to racial profiling. It's also led to a hateful view of mosque building," Iyer claimed.

"These groups have said untrue and hurtful things like building mosques is a sign of the Muslims conquering a land," Iyer said.

Iyer made this claim even though the former Imam of the Ground Zero Mosque project Feisal Abdul Rauf was quoted as saying that the Ground Zero Mosque site had "iconic value."...

Of course. What difference does the truth make?

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What's a matter with "HATING THAT WHICH IS EVIL"? Please notice I didn't say "hate THOSE who are evil. Islam is EVIL and it's followers deceived by its founder Mohammed. Jesus said "love your enemies and do good to those who persecute you!" So we should hate the religion but not it's followers who are perishing without the light of Christ to guide them.

The stealth jihad two-step at work again:

1. Deflect attention by appropriating victim status.
2. Silence the discussion by playing up fears of backlash and equating criticism of Islam with incitement to hate crimes.

Great comment Robert.I saw your debate on abnsat.com with Mustapha who wrote "The Lies about Muhammad".You were very convincing.

It is obvious your enemies won't debate you because they can't.I wish you can someday debate Tariq Ramadan.

He debated b>Christopher Hitchens last year on "Is Islam a Religion of Peace?"

Hitchens did well but he lacks knowledge of the Koran.If he had known of sura 5:14 and sura 5:64 which says Allah curses the Christians and in the others verse,the Jews till the Day of Judgement,he would have said it in the debate.

Here is the Hitchens-Ramadan debate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHVW2eM1qSo

I've always seen the "C" on that foolish, PC-approved "coexist" bumper sticker as if it were Pac-Man in the process of gobbling up other truly peaceful religions.

Or in the words of the Sesame Street lilt, "One of these things is not like the others, one of these things is not quite the same, . . ."

That people are waking up to the realities of Islam and calling Muslims out on those realities is a direct function of Muslims and their own selfish actions in pursuing and pushing Islam. This will only continue, and increase actually, as Muslims continue to act like Muslims (which is their wont given their course of behaviors over 1400 years) as more and more begin to notice more and more.

Muslim claims of Islamophobia are simply complaints that the truth about Islam is getting out. In a PC-dominated world telling the truth is a sin. In a reality-based world telling the truth will save your life and the heritage of the West.

The free speech rights in America must be driving most Muslims crazy and it looks like these rights just won't go away even with liberals on the SCOTUS. They even allow hate speech near military funerals. In fact, expressed hatred of Islam is not even illegal here and even excitement to hate Islam is permitted.

On the other hand, despising Jews and other infidels is more than just OK in Muslim countries: there the imams usually insist upon it along with death to apostates, blasphemers and proselytizing infidels per Islam itself. Americans are totally justified to call Muslims great hypocrites in their condemning of just anti-Islam criticism. IMO they are the greatest hypocrites in history.

Deepa Iyer is a Hindu name. Astonishing how 'secular' Hindus, who because they may personally be atheists or agnostics, become so easily shills for intolerant bigots who seek to deny the hatefulness of their religious creed, a creed that considers Hindus to be amongst the lowest of the low, kuffar 'mushriqeen' scum.

Memo to Maya Berry: I don't need to see anything written by Frank Gaffney, David Horowitz, Robert Spencer, Andrew McCarthy or Pamela Geller. They have noting to do with my rationalization or opinion. They only confirm it. My "flagrant Islamophobia" comes from what Islam brings, what Muslims do and what Muslims say. I am actually surprised how many of my family, coworkers and neighbors have come to the same conclusion about Islam without ever hearing of Frank Gaffney, David Horowitz, Robert Spencer, Andrew McCarthy or Pamela Geller, let alone what they write. People are not stupid. They are observant. Facts are facts and they bear the truth and that's what you fear the most. You can't hide a pile of elephant dung under the carpet and we, the ordinary folks, are on to you.

Suhail Khan...bah,,,

here is a short article on him...take the time to view the video in which he praises Islamic terrorists...He also note of his family's part in establishing the Muslim Students Association and the INSA....and this was in 1999....

I love it when Muslims and leftist dhimmis minimize the opposition to such a "small group" of people. As if these 5-6 people, single-handedly, created all things anti-Islamic.

No, I think honest, rational people can judge Islam based on what it is currently doing in the world. I would hope that many millions, without ever having read one of Robert's books, could identify that this so-called "religion of peace" is anything but a peaceful religion, and that its adherents are fascists in the same league as the Nazis.

If only Hitler disguised his movement as a religious movement, I wonder how much more successful he would have been? Did this PC snag exist back in the 40's, or were people more willing to call a spade a spade back then?

It would be no exaggeration to say that there are more people in America reading JW right now than reading Al Qur'an.

So, stick that in your water-pipe Aslan.

Muslims equate criticism with hate: Denounce plans to investigate domestic terrorism
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Yes. It is also very important to remember that under dhimmitude no Infidels are permitted to criticize Islam. I think this is the state that the majority of Muslims are *always* aiming for, and they are more than willing to "play the victim card" if it proves useful.

More:

"Islam, quote, is very vile, very vicious and we've allowed it to come into this country because we ride around with bumper stickers that say, 'Coexist,'" Berry quoted.
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Notice that Maya Berry makes *no attempt* to logically refute Rep. Allen West's words. She acts as though it is self-evident that they are both wrong and bigoted.

More:

Robert Spencer, who has no training in Islam or any knowledge, who comes out to try to be the expert on Islam itself, and then throws up a lot of different verses and instances about Islam the faith," Khan claimed.
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Again, she uses not a single example to indicate where Robert Spencer is incorrect. But even she seems to admit that many verses and "instances" point to Islam as a troubling creed.

More:

"These groups have said untrue and hurtful things like building mosques is a sign of the Muslims conquering a land," Iyer said.
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Is *anybody* going to bother to "debunk" this stuff? Of course not—because it cannot be done.

More:

Islamic groups in America have played these hearings masterfully. They’ve opposed them vehemently despite their toothlessness, while most conservatives have supported King. Thus when the King hearings find nothing, as is almost certain, the Islamic groups can say that even hearings they opposed and that conservatives supported found nothing, and that proves that the Islamic community in the U.S. has nothing to do with terrorism.
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Yes–all too true.

Yes,Maya Berry; The whole western world and lovers of freedom and equality are now onto the islamic game and using the first amendment to let you know we know.
More and more voices are being raised against the followers of Mohammed and his archaic cult.
If anti-islam is on the rise it is because you all have made it so.
So wise up and lay off your victimhood. Very few are buying it,
Now everyday I tune into the news to see what dispicable thing is being done in the name of Islam.

Very, very good post, Sounder. Need to publish this in the NYTimes, Washing Post etc.

Muslims love to make themselves the victim here,but thing that is so obvious, all other minorities combined do not attack and kill others like muslims have been doing over this last century and centuries past.

"cottage industry of hate". I really think that we've moved up to a split-level ranch.

Do good and evil, love and hate, right and wrong exist?
Moral relativists and multiculturalists often say, "Who are we to judge?"

If we DO NOT JUDGE, then it is impossible for good and evil, love and hate, right and wrong to exist.
We MUST JUDGE to know good from evil, love from hate, and right from wrong.

Islam was, is, and always will be, an evil ideology disguised as a religion that MUST destroy everything that is not Islamic.

Why shouldn't we hate the Islamic Supremacist Hate Organization CAIR?

We should hate evil. We should loathe evil. We should despise evil.
We should not tolerate the intolerable.
A rational fear is not a phobia.

It is NOT a "hate crime" to hate evil. It is NOT Islamaphobic to HATE the following that Muslims are allowed to commit in Islam per the Koran, Mohammed, Hadith, and Sira:

Pre-Pubescent Child Rape (65:4), Sex Slaves (4:24), Rape (24:13), Amputation and Crucifixion (5:33), Beheading (8:12, 47:4), Wives Beating (4:34) and Wives Raping (2:223), Theft and Robbery (entire Chapter 8 of Koran called Booty), Extortion (9:29), Lying (3:28, 5:51), Stoning to Death for Adultery (Sahih Muslim 17.4206),..etc.

There are ONLY 3 positions - 3 choices: Pro-Islam, Anti-Islam, Neutral-Islam.

If you are Anti-Islam, you agree that the above acts are atrocities should be eliminated.
If you are Pro-Islam, you agree that the above acts are OK for Muslims to commit.
If you are Neutral-Islam, you don't care one way or the other if the above acts/atrocities are perpetrated by Muslims against you and your families.

Are minorities guilty of "hate crimes" for hating the KKK?
Are Jews guilty of "hate crimes" for hating Nazism?
Are Infidels guilty of "hate crimes" for hating Islam?

make no mistake. i hate you.

james

just in case you haven't come across these yet...

two classics on the subject of 'Islamophobia'.

First, Hugh Fitzgerald's marvellously sarcastic "Islamophobia? Really?".

Fitzgerald: Islamophobia? Really?

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/12/fitzgerald-islamophobia-really.html

Worth printing off and keeping copies handy to give to people as occasion arises.

Second, for the less intellectually-inclined, but getting at the nub of the matter in very plain language:

a hilarious pop quiz devised by one Lorna Saltzman to determine one's level of Islamophobia.

http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2009/08/26/are-you-an-islamophobe/
PHYLLIS CHESLER: CHESLER CHRONICLES
August 26th, 2009 10:17 am

Are You An Islamophobe? Take This Test To Be Sure...


Again: copy to your hard disk, then print out as many copies as you think you might need. It would make a fun thing to pass round and get everyone to fill out, at dinner parties and backyard bbqs. (You'd have to draw in little boxes for 'yes' or 'no' at the end of each question, and then another at the bottom for totting up the score).

And two marvellously scathing pieces by one 'David Thompson', on the subject of Muslim grievance theatre and their well-rehearsed pantomime of victimhood.

1. It's OK to Dislike Islam


http://davidthompson.typepad.com/davidthompson/2007/03/intimidation_re.html


and 2. 'The Passive-Aggressive Jihad'


http://davidthompson.typepad.com/davidthompson/2007/03/the_passiveaggr.html


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