70% of Oklahomans voted to ban Sharia last November, but an ignorant Leftist judge, Vicki Miles-LaGrange, bought Hamas-linked CAIR's deceptive line that Sharia was just private religious law, and ruled against the will of the people. The obvious problem with her ruling is that no one cares if Muslims choose to practice Islam; the only difficulty arises when they infringe upon the rights of others in that practice. The political and supremacist elements of Islam that contradict the U.S. Constitution were the point of the Oklahoma law, not Islamic laws regarding prayers or ablutions or the Ramadan fast and the like.
The new law (thanks to Ron) is more pointed and doesn't mention Sharia, but accomplishes the purpose.
SECTION 1 (C) Any court, arbitration, tribunal, or administrative agency ruling or decision shall violate the public policy of this state and be void and unenforceable if the court, arbitration, tribunal, or administrative agency bases its rulings or decisions in the matter at issue in whole or in part on any law, rule, legal code or system that would not grant the parties affected by the ruling or decision the same fundamental liberties, rights, and privileges granted under the United States and Oklahoma Constitutions.
Getting it done in The Sooner State.
Beautiful formulation.
Sounds good to me...lets make it national...
This is excellent! So well worded!
Maybe the Judge Mile-LaGrange did us a favor. The Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution went through several drafts and even benefitted from years of prior theorizing by individuals. It is not a shame if we do better on a second pass.
Now if we can only get this adopted by the Judicial Conference of the United States for all Federal Rules and Procedures. An act of Congress would do nicely.
Judge Vicki Lagrange-Miles is still scratching her head trying to deciper what is being presented...she is clueless..
Seems very well worded. Smart not to mention Sharia. It's to take effect November 1, 2011. Will expect it to be described by Muslim organizations and the ACLU as hateful towards Islam, blah, blah, blah.
Time will tell. Dealing with the ultimate spiritual totalitarianism can be long drawn out at times in free societies, the kind of societies Islam never creates, precisely because Islam is accorded all kinds of freedoms it does not accord non-Islamic faiths wherever Islam is dominant. You'd think Muslims would feel ashamed of this by now but they won't. Parasites never, with wisdom or compassion, consider the host they are trying to feed upon.
Good move not mentioning sharia. Looks like they are copying the playbook from the OIC [Organization of the Islamic Conference] which has been trying for years to make it illegal to criticize Islam. Their wording doesn't mention Islam. Instead they mask their intentions by pretending that the law would be directed at all religions.
Vibrant Cultural Enrichment™
The justification for mass immigration given by NuLabour is that immigrants bring 'Vibrant Cultural Enrichment™ ' to our otherwise drab English lives.
Now to a certain extent this is true. Wherever the Chinese settle you get Chinatowns, which become tourist attractions. In contrast, wherever the Jihadists settle you have ghettoes which become no-go areas. Obviously, some groups are more vibrant than others.
So what have the Muslims contributed to our cultural enrichment?
Zero? - no, the number 0 was a Hindu invention.
In fact they have contributed less than zero, they have a negative effect on all aspects of society.
Islam is a moribund culture that has produced nothing of any significance to the rest of the world for the past five hundred years, with the one exception of the new cinematic genre of 'Jihad-Snuff' videos, showing now at a mosque near you.
Islamists have a deleterious effect on education, with attempts to rewrite history so that the Muslims are given credit for inventing everything, and aggressive demands to ban music, visual arts and drama from the syllabus.
There's the old joke about the difference between the Islamic world and a pot of yoghurt, but it's beyond a joke when they try to impose their repressed and culturally barren stone-age culture on our kids.
They have disrupted our once civilised society. They have made air travel into even more of a nightmare than it was. They have flooded the country with heroin.
Kuffar teenagers in enriched areas are scared to go out in case boys get attacked by gangs of 'Street Jihadists' and girls by gang rapists. Even young children are vulnerable to Islamic paedophile gangs.
They have destroyed trust. We can no longer trust doctors if they are Muslims. We can no longer trust police if they are Muslims.
They have destroyed free speech. We can no longer discuss religion without being arrested. They have given our control-freak government the perfect excuse to increase their surveillance into everybody's lives.
http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/multiculturalism-does-islam-bring.html
don't be fooled by this bull shit that Sharia is personal. it is not.it is designed to rule everyone. it encompasses many laws. some of which muslims could adhere to. like dietery. for example muslims are allowed to eat pork and also are not allowed to drink alcholic beverages(by the way Muhammad desingned this law because the Arbs were a bunch of drunk and the drank like a fish and fought like cats and dogs)this is ok, but there are many laws that they may not prctice here as those laws are unconstitutional such as inheritence laws. here is what the inheritence law is:
sons each get a half
Daughters each get 1/4
mother(wife) gets 1/8!!! this too is Sharia law and has no place in our sociaty.
m
Vicki Miles-LaGrange was the black robbed anarchist who ruled against the previous anti-sharia law. She also happens to be black and blacks have a fatal submission and attraction to Islam. Islam is the official religion of those with a beef with Western Civilization. Include Obama and Eric Holder too. They can't do enough for the slow motion Jihad
http://www.maggiesnotebook.com/2010/11/vicki-miles-lagrange-clinton-appointment-extends-oklahoma-sharia-international-law-injunction/
The obvious problem with her ruling is that no one cares if Muslims choose to practice Islam...
While your point is well taken, I do care. It'd be better if Oklahoma, and the nation, had no Moslems at all. Even absent the threat of Sharia, these people still present many problems we'd be better off without.
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For example, it hurts my eyes to look at women dressed in hijabs and niquabs. Also, it hurts my pocketbook to have my tax dollars go to welfare mooches.
Parasites never, with wisdom or compassion, consider the host they are trying to feed upon.
This is so true of all Muslim societies, that they consume their host cultures, their indigenous people's capital, their cultural histories, sapping all the inherent strengths of the conquered people until they too from shear exhaustion become parasites themselves. Check it out historically, globally, and this truism is everywhere evident, same as it had been for 1400 years of Islamic jihad. There is no hope in the Middle East, North Africa, Islamic Asia, or parts of southern Europe where Islam has settled, but to remove the spiritual, intellectual and physical, parasites universally. Only then can societies once again flourish with civilization based on wisdom and compassion. Oklahoma understands our constitutional rule of law must be protected from this social parasitical disease, same as we must stamp out malaria, yellow fever, tapeworm, hookworm, trypanosomiasis, and all that kill the host living organism. Well worded, necessary law, should be nationwide.
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The Oklahoma Senate had their first reading of the bill today.
CAIR Oklahoma has been whining for days. They will prove the point that they, and they alone, oppose general uniform protection for all people (anywhere and everywhere) of fundamental liberties, rights and privileges. They can fix their "system", which is exclusively within their absolute power and jurisdiction. Once they conform, what will be left of Sharia or Islam? Only superfluous stuff? Will it render a conforming-Sharia wholly irrelevant?
I can picture a series of cases that will isolate on the phrase "or in part" as it pertains to the compliance of the system being examined for conformity with the law.
let's leave race out of this. it has nothing to do with race. Allen West is black and he is one the most out spoken critics of sharia laws.
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A useful pdf for judge Lagrange.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/01/sharia-law-vs-english-law-pdf.html
Much better wording than the original. Now if the other states will follow suit.
It's good that the proposed statute includes the word "system" without being overly specific. This will presumably allow the examination of any "system" that runs afoul of Constitutional law, including Shariah. But by keeping it general charges of singling out any specific belief system are avoided. In practice, however, I would anticipate that the overwhelming majority of cases will be related to Shariah-related cases. The case law that is so generated involving court findings related to specific Shariah provisions should be extremely useful in providing precedents for subsequent cases.
Excellent wording and concept. The only thing a leftist judge could do is quibble about whether rights, liberties, privileges are "granted" or rather "reserved, allowed" by Constitutions. Probably the established usage in legalese would permit "granted". If this law won't do it, try again. We'll get there. I'm optimistic.
I'll wait for the Broadway Musical "East meets Westside Story".
Song Sharia:
Shaaaaaria, I just met a law named Shariaaaaaa.
Song:
One hand , one foot
Song Somewhere:
There's a place for me, somewhere at the back of the Mosque for me.
The obvious problem with her ruling is that no one cares if Muslims choose to practice Islam...
While your point is well taken, I do care. It'd be better if Oklahoma, and the nation, had no Moslems at all. Even absent the threat of Sharia, these people still present many problems we'd be better off without.
Agree completely, APF. Moslems have no business being in America. Why don't they go live in the 57 Muslim countries, instead of trying to take over ours?
Hijabs and Niqabs do NOT belong in America.
Unfortunately, America has gone insane.
People - You MUST check out this moron Columnist "Mike Jones" on the Tulsa newspaper.
Let me provide you with a sample of his idiocy:
"The second charge, and this one is really silly, is that Muslims don't even worship the same god as Christians. Are they serious?"
Incredible, isn't it?
Here's the link:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/opinion/article.aspx?subjectid=61&articleid=20110313_213_G6_Itsadi249826
Unfortunately, America has gone insane.
And the process of dementia has been underway since before WWI with the with the birth of the pernicious Progressive movement. Since then, the insanity has extended to political economics, financial markest, illegal immigration, criminal justice, race,unconstitutional intrusions into liberty and privacy, you name it.
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Long before Michael Savage published his successful book Liberalism is a Mental Disorder I had been telling everybody that liberalism is insanity, cuz its basis is decoupled from factual reality.
So, I figured what the hell and emailed Savage to let him know the bad news that I was first with the idea, and suggested he credit me by interviewing me on his show to go over how I did it.
Michael actually wrote back, asserting that I was a recognition craving bullshit artist and to never, ever, email him again.
And I never did. After all, he earned a national radio show and thus had the marketing punch to bring his belated idea to market; I didn't.
But you're right, Courreges, we have gone insane. If you look at the medical protocols psychiatrists use to diagnose the various forms of insanity, detachment from reality leading to unattainable expectations outcomes is always the main criterion.
In the APF/Savage analysis, this happens on a large group scale.
Large group insanity: Naziism, globo-socialism, environmentalism, racism, sexism.
The only variant of the various large scale mental illnesses that has a chance of total success is Moslemism.
Let's hope that it's temporary insanity, Courreges W.
Could be messy. You're assuming the judge(s) will agree that Sharia is not in accord with the US constitution. Its not at all clear that they will. We could wind up with a series of legal precedents explicitly supporting the use of Sharia law in the US.
Good. Well-worded, and it avoids any possibly Unconstitutional specifics (it doesn't name names).
Decent, hard-working, patriotic, Americans (as all these "moderate" Muslims keep insisting they are) shouldn't get their panties in a wad because nothing in their system could ever discriminate against anyone.
(that last part is to be read in a very sarcastic tone)
Wellington wrote:
Seems very well worded. Smart not to mention Sharia. It's to take effect November 1, 2011. Will expect it to be described by Muslim organizations and the ACLU as hateful towards Islam, blah, blah, blah.
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I'm glad to hear your take on this, Wellington—especially since you work in the legal field. From everything I have read, it sounds as though Oklahoma's first attempt to ban Shari'ah was well intended but could have been a better worded law.
Let's hope that this is that law. Certainly, there is plenty of support for a ban on Shari'ah in the Sooner State.
Miriam Rove wrote:
let's leave race out of this. it has nothing to do with race. Allen West is black and he is one the most out spoken critics of sharia laws.
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Hear, hear, Miriam! Islam is not a race, and neither are dhimmis or anti-Jihadists. This is not a racial issue at all, but one of ethics and principles.
If the West outlaws sharia, the Muhammadans will simply adapt and adjust their tactics and strategies until they reach critical mass. The truth is you can’t import Muhammadans into your country without also importing jihad and sharia, as jihad and sharia are intrinsic to Islam and you can’t get one without the other.
In other words, the only solution is Islam must be outlawed and Muhammadan immigration must be banned and reversed. Unless the West rids itself of this menace once and for all, it is doomed.
Muslim women and non-Muslims are not blessed to experience "the perfect justice of sharia law".
Why so?...
Well... because of the canonical Islamic texts themselves... of course...
Muhammad was a murderous rapist and a child molester.
I am an educated ex-Muslim who knows the Islamic religion/cult like the back of my hand. Anyone of you idiotic Islamic cowards out there care to take me on this evening?
Off Topic Off Topic
Sometimes I grow very weary of anti-jihad, much like the sentiment expressed by Wellington on occasion. I had to take a break and so I went to youtube and watched Stalingrad auf deutsch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofqkQGG5VsM . The Eastern Front during WWII is a particular interest of mine; my father (PBUH) was a Red Army sniper although vehemently opposed to Communism.
I have a slight beef with some of the posters here boosting America as the decisive force defeating Hitler during WWII with scarcely a mention a mention of th Eastern Front. As British historians decided during the 1990s, that war was largely won on the Eastern Front. General Burkhalter of Hogan's Heroes always threatened his subordinates with sending them to the Eastern Front. The Western Front was French women, cognac, and foie de gras.
If you need a break, go to the youtube site and sequentially click through the segments.
I don't get it?
296,903 (29.92%) voted against to ban Sharia last November. The estimated population of Muslims in Oklahoma is about 30,000. So 266,903 non-Muslims voted for Sharia. Hard to believe that there are so many pedophiles and idiots in Oklahoma. ;-)
I think what happened there is the leftists in Oklahoma were voting simply to spite their conservative neighbors. Oklahoma is definitely a red state, and it must piss leftists off that their politics are not well represented, so they vote out of spite.
Podcast,
Let's say you are right.... Which, I still am uncertain of the absolute nature of what your saying. How would that ever even unfold without mass chaos. As if the ridiculousness of "islamphobia" isn't enough (barring Bill Maher)....what channels would an endeavor like that have to cross??
Muslims use Western Civilization's legal structure as a means to the end of sharia enforcement. The attached case was decided at trial, prior to 9-11, after which muslim power has increased exponentially.
http://www.canlii.org/en/on/onca/doc/2001/2001canlii21272/2001canlii21272.pdf
I had numerous exchanges with Pastor Harding since 1999. Mark had 2 heart attacks during the trial, during which hostile muslims had been permitted to vent anger in court. Harding disclosed that he was court ordered to take lessons in islam from Islamic Society of North America operatives. When he questioned Maududist dogma during a ISNA test, he was threatened with re-arrest. Maududi taught: "democracy seizes sovereignty from allah." Harding was ordered to believe that.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=15738
Sharia-enforcement continues unabated in Canada. In the attached correspondence, a dhimmi-doormat demands Hate-Law filtration of brain-impacts from Wilders' "Fitna" film.
http://www.richardwarman.ca/files/Fitna.pdf
The author has an interesting background. He once worked for the Canadian Human Rights Commission. When he left same, he commenced numerous actions against target groups, and has been paid tens of thousands of dollars, in awards given by his former co-workers. Half of all CHRC matters that went to hearing - Mark Steyn suffered one - were based on Warman complaints. Conflict of interest is obvious.
Note that Harding's accusations were never refuted; they were condemned Inquisition style, where only mitigation - and not defense - was permitted. Harding wasn't tried; he was ordered put to an islamic "auto de fe," albeit without the fire. During the operation of the Secret Congregation of the Index, Roman Catholic dogmatists would put a licensing seal "Nihil Obstat: Imprimater (nothing offends; print)" on only approved works by churh members. In Canada, all a slave-of-allah need do is declare "hate" pain, to get "hate" law slave service. Targets get judgment-without-defense. That is what the enemy wants in Oklahoma in particular, and America in general. And they are getting it under Hussein O.
The end of America is upon us. These liberal judges should be thrown in the clink. They go against the will of the people. They go against the law of the land. The enemy is infiltrating western civilization. Too late now. Can't stop them if we tried. Thank a liberal for a job well done...the dirty s.o.b.'s.
Travesty. We are doomed.
pokermutt, you're right to a certain extent. The Russians killed 8 out of 10 Germans who died in WWII and lost 20 million themselves (compared to the US 350K. The Russians lost more people, almost 3X, at Stalingrad as the US lost everywhere in the world during WWII. However, Russia would have lost completely without US material aid. The US provided them with 54% of their fuel and virtually 100% of their locomotives. The Red Army could not have moved ten miles without US aid and the Germans would have been successful.
Sometimes I grow very weary of anti-jihad...
We need a new name, Mutt. Monickers like anti-Dhimmi and anti-Jihad just don't cut it. These names are clumsy, and tie themselves to a component of Islam, instead of proposing a positive force of its own.
Anybody got a suggested replacement name? I've tried, but every one of mine carries with it a big disadvantage.
For example, the word Resistance carries with it noble images of WWII resistances in France, Holland and Norway. It's also good cuz it invokes the fact that we didn't start this confict, and are people trying to hold back an aggression.
But the individual variant of the word is "resistor," which is an electronic component. The bobblehaids at the Bills Gates-Jeff Immelt Crony Capitalism network called MSNBC would have a field day with that one, as in glowing units taking their power from the motherboard, performing no logic, and prone to short circuiting.
Word?
I downloaded and scanned the appellate decision from Ontario, John, and here is my reaction: the judge noted that the original ruling was based on several charges.
But all of the charges were based on the defendant making public statements that were true.
So, to expand on Courreges' point, what we have here is a judicial system gone insane, cuz judges (and justice) are to be based on findings of fact. But even the appellate "justices" declined to check the facts.
Apparently they're not lurkers here at JW.
I don't think so K. Bond.
Americans have learned and are heeding the lesson of Europe. Unlike and beacause of Europe, we can and we are doing the things the UK and other EU countries failed to do. I may agree that because the birth rate has tipped favoring european Muslims, some countries in Europe may not be able to maintain their indiginous pooulation. Not so in America.
America's citizens have responded to and sent a very clear message to liberals this past November. American citizens are responding to the challenges of Shari'ah. Anti Shari'ah/Ecclesiastic/Foriegn Law bills, have been introduced in 17 states. Although more effort is needed, we have beefed up our presence at our southern border. We are opening up domestic oil drilling. We are breaking quid pro quo union entitlements for liberal votes, and we're presently working on other Liberal policy failures.
Alot more has to be done, but don't underestimate the American people. We have two great oceanic devides, a southern border that's slowly being sealed and thank's to American's like you and me, a crumbling leberal agenda.
Repeal NAFTA, repeal the liberal Kennedy immigration policies, outlaw all pro Shar'ah organizations like CAIR and remove this sitting and bowing President at election time.
Dom,
Try living in Blue York...these people around here praise Obamma, and praise CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood...."Oh, they are just another group that needs to aclamate(sp?) into our society...give them a chance would ya?"
These people have all but forgotten about 9/11 and all other terrorist attacks since 1983 Lebannon.
I have been yelling from the rooftops since 9/12/01. It falls on deaf ears...I hope there are more people out there who truly care, like you and I.
Even though Nov. 2010 elections leaned favorably to the right, I am not sure if the right politicians will do what the American people want. I have no confidence in the political system as it's become a game of charades. It's become 90% of effort to get re-elected, and that you know is pure crapola.
Thnx!
Anybody got a suggested replacement name? I've tried, but every one of mine carries with it a big disadvantage.
I tend to agree, ApF, that the "anti"-Jihad label is not best choice in naming the 'Resistance' to the Islamic Jihad/Sharia/Caliphate supremacy agenda. I think the "Word?" should be one that not only dis-empowers Jihad and Sharia, but also empower the people within Islam who feel themselves mentally and physically 'trapped' by their 7th century Arab mythology into 'submission' to their pagan Moon-god, his wife and three daughters. So what could such a word be?
Here are some thoughts:
There are many more possibilities, but the Word to better the "anti-Jihad" label may be more than one. My pick thus far is "No-Sharia Watch", we are the Resistance.
If the Arabs and Muslims don't like our laws, I cordially invite them all to return home and be murdered by their own people, for if the brook my civil rights, liberties and freedoms, I will do it for them. Christian, Patriot and Vietnam Era Veteran.
It would make a great Constitutional Amendment. We might, however, have to ammend the First Amendment to ensure that it does not in any way protect the practice or practicioners of Islam
How about:
"The Good Fight"
"The Good Fight against Sharia"
"Freedom Fighters against Sharia"
"Resisting Sharia"
"Stop Sharia"
just some ideas.......
Some of us, Dennis, some. Not all. Some of us are grandsons of ordained Baptist ministers and have lived in The Word our entire lives. Some of us have European ancestors who loved us, and who were loved in return. Some of us love Western Civilization and have fought its wars-our wars-as members of elite units.
True, some disaffected black Americans, unaware of Islam's history (especially vis-a-vis Africans), have either embraced it, or are oversympathetic to it. Some of us recognize the existential threat to Western Civilization posed by Islam, and do what we can to oppose it.
EXCELLENT points, thank you for sharing them. I am glad to see the rewriting of the bill. This should tighten it up. I think we're learning .....
Word?
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