Abbasi hard at work claiming victim status
Irum Abbasi may have been wrongly singled out. Nonetheless, the involvement of Hamas-linked CAIR in her case is just one of many red flags. In reality, no one should be shedding any real tears for Irum Abbasi, especially Irum Abbasi. She says, "I have lived in the United States for 10 years. I am a U.S. citizen." So if she is a loyal U.S. citizen, she should understand that what happened to her is an unfortunate consequence of the fact that devout, observant Muslims worldwide, including hijab-wearing women, have carried out jihad terror attacks in the name of Islam, and so people who are entrusted with the safety of airline passengers have every reason to err on the side of suspicion. Those who are thus inconvenienced should consider it a small price to pay in order to head off the next terror attack.
I speak from experience. More than once I have been held and questioned at airports because of my work. Once I was working on this website on my laptop, someone saw "jihad" on my screen, and presently I was surrounded by police and large dogs, and hauled off for questioning.
Another time I was in an airport, having hurried from a venue where I had just given a talk. I don't ever speak from a written text, but I do carry notes -- a page or two of quotations from various Muslim Brotherhood operatives, etc., including jihadist and Islamic supremacist statements by some putative American moderate Muslims, as well as quotations from the Qur'an and Hadith, etc. I had this material in my suit pocket, and it dropped out when I took off my suit jacket to go through security. So a few minutes later I was again in the friendly presence of police and TSA personnel. One gentleman was holding up my notes and asking me why I had this material. I started laughing, because I realized that there was absolutely nothing in the notes to show that I actually opposed what was written there -- and realized that it might take awhile to straighten the whole thing out.
And it did. But I didn't mind. Because I knew what they were doing. I knew they weren't holding the bearded, swarthy fellow with notes full of jihad and hate because they were racists and bigots, and didn't like people of Middle Eastern descent, or hated Muslims, or what have you. They were doing their job, which was to protect the American people. Irum Abbasi and Hamas-linked CAIR should realize that, and I think they do. They should also realize that we are on to them.
"Muslim removed from flight wants crew disciplined," from the Associated Press, March 17 (thanks to Twostellas):
SAN DIEGO — A Muslim woman said Wednesday that she wants a Southwest Airlines crew disciplined for removing her from a flight for wearing a headscarf.Irum Abbasi, 31, told reporters at a news conference outside San Diego's airport that she was forced off a San Jose-bound flight in San Diego on Sunday because a flight attendant found her to be suspicious.
Abbasi said she was told that a flight attendant overheard her say on her cell phone words to the effect of: "It's a go."
The mother of three, who is originally from Pakistan, told reporters that she said, "I've got to go," before hanging up because the flight was about to depart. She believes the flight attendant made the assumption about her comment because she was wearing an Islamic head scarf.
After patting down her head scarf and talking to her, Transportation Security Administration agents recognized the mistake and told her it was not necessary to inspect her purse or cell phone, Abbasi said.
But they refused to let her back on the plane, telling her the crew was uncomfortable with her on the flight, according to Abbasi. She was booked on the next flight.
"I was in tears," Abbasi said. "I was just crying. I have lived in the United States for 10 years. I am a U.S. citizen."
Southwest spokesman Chris Mainz said the airline has apologized to Abbasi twice, including the day of the incident. The airline also gave her a voucher for another flight, he said.
Abbasi said she gave the voucher to someone else and at this point does not want to fly Southwest again. She said she wants a written apology and a guarantee that the crew will be disciplined.
Abbasi, who is originally from Pakistan, said the verbal apology "doesn't make me feel better. This time they said we weren't comfortable with the head scarf. Next time, they won't be comfortable with my accent or they won't be comfortable with my South Asian heritage."...
Hanif Mohebi, director of the San Diego chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said his group believes she was targeted because of her head scarf and wants to meet with the airline to ensure it does not happen again.
Abbasi attributed her removal to growing anti-Muslim sentiment in the U.S. and said that it was a direct result of the congressional hearing called by Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., on the radicalization of U.S. Muslims....
The same day Abbasi was removed from a plane in San Diego, pilots on an Alaska Airlines flight from Mexico City to Los Angeles locked down the cockpit and alerted authorities when a flight crew grew alarmed at the behavior of three men who were conducting an elaborate orthodox Jewish prayer.
FBI and customs agents along with police and a full assignment of fire trucks met the plane at the gate at Los Angeles International Airport, and the men were escorted off. After questioning from the FBI, the men were released without being arrested.
Are the orthodox Jews demanding an apology? Holding press conferences? Claiming Judeophobia?
abbasi is full of shit!! I travel over seas lot speacially western europe. often on my way back to the state I am being questioned. although I do have an American passport, once they see inside of they see "country of Birth" IRAN. they they ask questions. I am perfectly fine with as I do not want my ass blown off 35,000 feet up in the air! so tell Abbasi to chill the fuck out.
M
More and more Americans are getting it. Muslims' loyalty is first, foremost, and exclusively to Islam. Period.
This Muslima's claims of US citizenship only go as far as the piece of paper. Her oath to support the Constitution, required of every naturalized citizen, counts for NOTHING. The Times Sq. would-be bomber, also naturalized, said the USA and the Constitution meant nothing to him when reminded of his oath by the judge at his arraignment.
Americans are rightly viewing every Muslim with suspicion. The very practice of their cultist "faith" is intended to bring down the USA and more broadly the West.
We simply are not believing them anymore, esp. when we KNOW that lying to the non-Muslim is an inherent part of this cult.
I just heard about this on KCBS. As soon as the segment started, I *knew* CAIR was going to be involved, and so they are.
CAIR is blaming Rep. Peter King's hearings on Muslim "radiclaization" for the incident. This, from NBC coverage:
"On Wednesday. Abassi along with members of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) shared her story. They believe it is an example of hostility that has surfaced because of hearings called by U.S. Rep. Peter King (R) NY. The chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee launched controversial hearings last week on how to combat homegrown terrorism and Muslim extremism in America."
“I was in tears,” said Abassi.
“My heart is in tears that American (sic) is moving in a wrong direction,” said Hanif Mohebi, Executive Director of CAIR who believes cases like this are a direct result of the Congressional hearings.
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Muslim-Womans-Removed-from-Southwest-Flight-118129964.html
What crap...
Abbasi's 'tears', Ellison's 'tears'. .histionics, no more. .no less. .the tears worth saving this last few days belong to the murdered innocents and the victims of the quake.
I just saw the video you posted. looks like she is from Pakistan. the sad part is if she was in Pakistan and was singled out she would not have dared to question the authorities. here she is enjoying her freedom and instead of cooporating she is crying fowl.
m
OT
Pakistani Christian jailed for blasphemy dies in prison as lawyer claims he was murdered
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366805/Pakistani-Christian-jailed-blasphemy-dies-prison-lawyers-claim-murdered.html#ixzz1GsOX11OD
of course it was.
It would be interesting to get her views on terrorism and a host of other issues. Since Muslims represent less than 2% of the US population can she explain why are they responsible for 75% of the acts of terrorism here? What is she doing to help solve the scourge of terrorism in her community? Does her Mosque in the US preach death for apostasy? I wish reporters would start asking hard questions.
I demand the flight attendant receive a commendation!
"The mother of three, who is originally from Pakistan, told reporters that she said, "I've got to go." How right she is! And don't let the door hit you on the way out. Byb-bye cry baby.
Abbasi, who is originally from Pakistan, said the verbal apology "doesn't make me feel better. This time they said we weren't comfortable with the head scarf. Next time, they won't be comfortable with my accent or they won't be comfortable with my South Asian heritage."...
If this is her attitude then what is the point of a written apology anyway? It won't make her feel better. It won't guarantee that she won't have a similar experience in the future. Lady, if you're a US citizen then here's a word for you: boycott. Don't fly Southwest. Take your business elsewhere.
They apologized to you twice. They gave you a voucher. You're still not satisfied. Why should they send you so much as an e-mail? Nothing will satisfy you. You want to play victim. Have at it. I'll never feel sorry for you.
OT
IDF, settlers save Arab baby meters away from where Fogel relatives are sitting Shiva
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4043536,00.html
Are the orthodox Jews demanding an apology? Holding press conferences? Claiming Judeophobia?
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Well actually, they are demanding an apology. But surely they must have been aware that 'davening with teffilin'
mid-air would bring unwanted attention. I think the
Hassids and the airline were both in error; Hassids
for not praying beforehand (the only mandatory prayers
would have been on Shabbat during which they wouldn't
have been flying anyway)-they have no excuse actually.
The airline over-reacted by not requesting the men
halt prayers first, but ultimately were right in
making a safety landing for security reasons.
As much as I vomit when I say this, Abbasi was
right-up to the point she made it a CAIR issue
for publicity purposes. Asking to inspect
her headscarf was reasonable; disallowing her
to board the plane after telling her she wasn't
a threat becauase flight personnel were "uncomfortable" just based on the headscarf is unacceptable.
Had she threatened the attendants before boarding,
or refused to be body searched, or displayed
actual dogmatic behavior, then the airline should
not allow her to disembark. As much as I support
profiling in general, and become easily nauseous
at any hint of PC, I am forced to partly concur
with Abbasi based on the report above-that is,
before she politicized the issue and made it
a Muslim PC issue.
Just in case...
http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2010/02/hereabout-bombs-beng-surgcally-mplanted-nto-bombers----the-thing-with-this-type-of-device-is-that-the-most-likely-detonator.html
Well, I do know some that have never missed Tefilin, would never do so and would never stop praying once they got started. But really they should have asked or warned the crew, many will direct you to the curtained of crew section. I have taken Tefilin as hand luggage on many flights where Jews don’t usually travel and security always seem to know what Tefilin are, they even know we are sensitive about wine.
But really this women was given a seat on the next flight and a voucher for another. that’s quite a big gift.
I think it far more likely they could not hold the flight any longer, she’s milking it plain and simple.
It is unfortunate. An apology would suffice for a normal person.
But she is not a normal person. She is a histrionic, America-hating, victimhood-mongering Muslimah.
The she says:
"or they won't be comfortable with my South Asian heritage."...
'South Asian heritage'.....you mean, her race or ethnicity.
Nobody has a problem with Indians, who are a credit to society, so I don't know why she's making a racial thing out of it.
Oh yeah, to play the race victimhood card even further.
It is instances like this that are becoming more and more 'the boy who cried wolf'
The famous role of the victim!
Jihad stands on two legs (198 KB). One is terror and the other is deception or Taqiyyah 3:28, 16:106, 5:51
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTsIcQ730-w
Sabaton "In the name of God"
(Swedisch Rock Band)
miriam rove, thank you for your comments. They hit the spot.
(But one detail, if I may. Unless my memory is mistaken, the website prefers that commenters not use curse words, because the site is supposed to be a family-oriented website, so if you do find a need to use those words, consider not spelling out every letter. You could use asterisks for missing letters. So if "love" were a curse word, you might type it thus: l*ve.)
thank you for telling me this. I did not know that and I will be sure to take your advice going forward.
m
OT would love to hear Robert or Roland's take on piece in today's NT Times by Andrea Elliot.
Note how AP is playing the 'Muslim victim' tune:
"MUSLIM removed from flight wants crew disciplined"
Whereas, terrorists headline would read:
"AMERICAN arrested on terror charges" and maybe.. just maybe in the last paragraph, AP would add something like 'American of Pakistani decent (again avoiding the M word).
The real issue, for us and for American Muslims--as rubiconcrest mentioned above--is the failure of our elected representatives and journalists to challenge them to acknowledge--rather than to continually accept as fact their constant denials, obfuscations and ridiculous explanations to the contrary--that numerous aspects of Islam's 'complete way of life' are demonstrably and plainly
derisive and hateful toward we 'unbelievers', are clearly antithetical to democracy, and are unarguably incompatible with the U.S. Constitution and American jurisprudence.
As one glaring example of Orthodox Islam, Somalia's al-Shabab Muslims DO amputate thieves' hands today--per Qur'an 5:38.
Yet even those American journalists with a knowledge of Islamic ideolgy have failed to exploit opportunities to put the American Muslim community on the spot by citing that particular 'divinely' mandated barbarity by asking them if such a horrific procedure is morally acceptable to them anywhere on the planet and what they tell their children about it.
Or where they think a woman's testimony should not be equal to that of a man's.
And so on.
As far as I know, the American Muslim community has not yet been subjected to such pointed questioning.
undaunted:
It's nice to see such knowledge and attention to detail, and I am really glad that you are on our side. Those civil rights which prevent us from having security of life are a mighty big pair of handcuffs that set up us to be essentially reactive rather than proactive. Since all is permitted in jihad against infidels, I guess Pork Airlines wouldn't work.
PRCS, you said:
"As far as I know, the American Muslim community has not yet been subjected to such pointed questioning."
It would make an even more frightening sequel to "The Exorcist".
Miriam,
Some of the peaceful Muslims I know in my area are getting upset and pissed off at this kind of behavior by other Muslims. They are especially getting fed up with CAIR and its protecting these kind of people. The end result of CAIR's behavior is that it lumps all Muslims into one and even the peaceful Muslims get flak for it.
As you have stated before, Violent Islam is on the rise and its even rising here in America. The media apologists are not doing their job in protecting the american people. We need a group out there that will counter CAIR everytime it puts anything out there in the media. People need to know they are associated with terrorists and their motives are not good.
Actually, what I find most interesting about this article is Robert's own perspective as he says:
I speak from experience. More than once I [Robert] have been held and questioned at airports because of my work. Once I was working on this website on my laptop, someone saw "jihad" on my screen [as in Jihadwatch.org], and presently I was surrounded by police and large dogs, and hauled off for questioning.
If it had been liberal-run academia, first they would question him on why he used the word "jihad," and then when they found out the true reason, that it's basically a conservative website dedicated to exposing Islamist atrocities, then the liberal-run academia would actually punish him harshly for being "racist" towards Muslims (i.e. conservative) and for operating a "non-politically correct evil right-wing hate site," as they would say.
Another time I was in an airport, having hurried from a venue where I had just given a talk. I don't ever speak from a written text, but I do carry notes -- a page or two of quotations from various Muslim Brotherhood operatives, etc., including jihadist and Islamic supremacist statements by some putative American moderate Muslims, as well as quotations from the Qur'an and Hadith, etc. I had this material in my suit pocket, and it dropped out when I took off my suit jacket to go through security. So a few minutes later I was again in the friendly presence of police and TSA personnel. One gentleman was holding up my notes and asking me why I had this material. I started laughing, because I realized that there was absolutely nothing in the notes to show that I actually opposed what was written there -- and realized that it might take awhile to straighten the whole thing out.
The funny thing is, Al-Qaeda's M.O. is to fit in through subversive subterfuge. I think I read somewhere (9/11 Commission Report, maybe?) that the 9/11 highjackers or other terrorists are taught to blend in with the local infidels, wear blue jeans and baseball caps, and basically look, talk, and act American, and in no way bring attention to themselves. So a real terrorist probably wouldn't carry around "quotations from various Muslim Brotherhood operatives, etc., including jihadist and Islamic supremacist statements by some putative American moderate Muslims, as well as quotations from the Qur'an and Hadith, etc." because a real terrorist doesn't want to bring that kind of obvious attention to himself. It's ironic that Robert, the most anti-jihadist person imaginable, is the one that gets stopped and harassed by the TSA for basically "looking kinda Middle-Easterny."
The ignorant P.C. police are idiots, and so are the people who commit hate crimes against those whom they perceive to be Muslim. They think they can profile "the guy with the beard/turban/brown skin," and half the time they're mistakenly going after Sikhs and Mexicans. Ironically, it's the well-shaven Arab caucasians dressed in good clothes, who buy one-way tickets and have no luggage, are the ones you need to watch out for, especially when five or six board a plane at once.
She's got just the same indignant scowling expression that I used to encounter frequently when living in an area abutting a Muslim colony. Nowadays though, with the assistance of an online tool, it's possible to avoid areas in the UK blighted by Islamic colonisation when looking for a new home, and thereby ensuring that your daughters aren't vulnerable to Muslim paedophile pimping and that your new home won't suffer from rapidly declining property values as the area Islamises: http://durotrigan.blogspot.com/2011/03/green-breast-emerges-from-keighleys.html
agreed.. I certainly do my part.
m
Here's the story on the San Diego Union-Tribune:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/mar/15/muslim-woman-escorted-southwest-flight/
Oh, and she's not from Pakistan, she's from "South Asia." LOL!
Why doesn't she apologize for all the deaths caused by her co-religionists?
If she wanted to be an American, why didn't she ditch her third-world barbaric religion?
"I was in tears," Abbasi said. "I was just crying."
More crocodilian crap, as from the blubbering Rep. Ellison. We ought to give such people something to really cry about: strip their citizenship and expell them forever.
The victimhood that we often hear expressed from Muslims is in part a product of Islamic supremacism. You can see it in her face. She wasn’t just victimized; she was victimized by worthless infidels who aren’t worthy to lick the dust off her precious little feet. This is why she is so upset and is demanding a third, forth, fifth apology. Even that is not enough, she wants the dirty infidels punished.
Just like the Danish cartoons didn’t just depict Mo, they were a depiction of Mo coming from worthless infidels. The incredibly over-sensitive nature of Muslims is proof of a very ugly supremacism that needs to be addressed.
"We ought to give such people something to really cry about: strip their citizenship and expel them forever."
So right.
And, "Crocodilian crap" - Exactly.
They disgust me. Unbelievable we are tolerating this bullshit from barbarians who are LUCKY to reside in this country.
First of all do not doubt for a second that this woman said "it's a go". The flight attendant has heard people say "I've got to go" hundreds of thousands of times- so they would be especially sensitive to sentances slightly different from it.
Say "it's a go" and "I've got to go" aloud to yourself.
"-tsa" and "-veh gotu" are completely different sounds with completely differnt meanings. A flight attendant who has heard "veh gotu" a hunderd thousand times knows what it sounds like and "-tsa" would stand out as being different.
If the flight attendant heard "it's a go" then that was what was said.
She believes the flight attendant made the assumption about her comment because she was wearing an Islamic head scarf."
Flight attendants see muslims all the time. She wouldn't have been singled out because of the scarf. Furthermore just wearing a scarf does not mean a woman is muslim as women of ALL CULTURES wear head scarves.
Hearing someone say "it's a go" just as a plane is about to take off is a pretty damned good reason to take the speaker off that plane.
"After patting down her head scarf and talking to her, Transportation Security Administration agents recognized the mistake and told her it was not necessary to inspect her purse or cell phone,"
WTF! Why the F-ing F did they not inspect her purse, cellphone, carry on baggage and baggage in the hold? That is far more alarming then that they pulled someone who said "it's a go" off a plane.
I won't be traveling southwest again either.
CAIR "wants to meet with the airline to ensure it does not happen again." Why do they pay special attention to airport events? I think it is because they want to make everyone feel they are damned if they do and damned if they don't where Islamic terrorism is concearned. They want to make everyone feel powerless in attempting to confront terrorism.
Why did the woman think to contact CAIR? I have heard many people bitch about being searched or pulled off planes and they never contacted CAIR.
Remember Rosa parks had been an activist with the NAACP since 1932 when she refused to get off that bus seat. It was a truelly a great moment in american history, just not as spontanious as people might think.
And this woman is no Rosa Parks. People who shared NAACP's beliefs did not murder 18,000 thousand people in the previous 2 years or commit 17 thousand terrorist acts in the last 10 because they wanted to make the whole world african american. Nor had they been specifically blowing up busses for the previous 40 years. Lastly, Rosa parks did not say "it's a go" on a cellphone.
I suspect this woman already had a connection to CAIR. They specifically decided to do something that a group who had really been oppressed did in order to create the illusion that they are similarly oppressed. This is in line with their lobbying on MLK's birthday.
If I was african american I should be pretty angry that these people are exploiting my peoples suffering for their own ends. Especially considering the amount of slavery muslims engage in in the arab world at the moment and the zero number of islamic interest groups who have lifted a finger to stop it.
The woman said "it was a direct result of the congressional hearing called by Rep. Peter King," CAIR obviously told her to say that. It suggests that it was either planned or CAIR jumped on it in order to exploit it for their own political ends.
I believe they either
1 set it up in the first place or.
2 were told about it by someone working at the airport.
3 specifically look for airport security events invlolving muslims.
'She said she wants a written apology and a guarantee that the crew will be disciplined.'
In other words she wants infidel grovelling.
Par for course and part of the whole psychology of Islam whether home or abroad.
When Jyllands Posten printed those cartoons, it seems aeons ago, they demanded a repentant apology from Cultural Editor and hero of free speech, Flemming Rose.
As it swiftly emerged that the expected humiliation of the infidel was not forthcoming the ante was upped and went as high as PM, Anders Fogh Rasmussen.
Rasmussen denied requests from no less than 11 ambassadors of Middle-Eastern countries to discuss the issue. He realised quite rightly that 'discussion' meant only one thing in their eyes. That was submission and that submission would then lead to a curtailment of freedom.
How dare they, screeched these hair trigger, imperialistic barbarians.
And we all know the rest. We all fell like craven dominoes, not least my own country where not one picture was published and our then Home Secretary demanded respect for Islam.
That's grovelling, folks and as we see all too regularly where has it got us?
It's got us to this Pakistani woman who no doubt at the point of visa application was sweetness and light and now, feet under that vast accomodating American table, flicks the metaphoric finger.
The poor, poor, dear.
My heart bleeds for her--maybe when hell freezes over.
"Abbasi, who is originally from Pakistan, said the verbal apology 'doesn't make me feel better.'"
But, of course, settling with Southwest for a wad of cash will undoubtedly soothe all those hurt widdo feewings, won't it? How much of this shakedown loot will CAIR get, I wonder?
Abbasi's announcement that she will refuse to fly Southwest in the future is to be commended. One wishes that others of her ilk would follow suit and refuse to fly at all (except perhaps on one-way flights back to Pakistan).
I wish I had enough money to buy an airline or two - I would call it "FLYING PIG" or "A Little Piggy". I'll have each seat covered with the pig's skin.
That will solve the problem by default.
i want to see each and every one of these muslimes that slithered into our midst start groveling post haste when they realize that game is over and their bs is exposed and a deportation notice is delivered to their door...
our reaction to their stunned disbelief, should be a smug smirk on our faces and an "aaaawww so sorry about you being deported" as sincere as their crocodile tears....
She's from Pakistan, and Pakistan is where she belongs. Nuff said.
Hate is like a virus. Islam brings hate to every heart it enters. I have noticed many of my friends starting to dislike MoSlums, they never had that on their wish list. These are regular guys and gals.
Islam = HATE, it doesn't matter if you are a MoSlum or you don't agree to their abusive manners. Islam meant to polarize the world from the moment it was conceived. It had a good success up till now. Our politicians aint going to help us out. We are on our own on this issue.
Maybe she was saying "it's a go" to her CAIR handler ?
She may be ignorant of her own religion, and like many Muslims, only have recited the Qur'an in Arabic, a language she probably does not understand. She may never have read the Qur'an in her native language at all.
Yet surely she is familiar with the Islamic belief that Muslims are superior to others.
Yet her main motive may be hurt pride at not being treated, in her view, as an equal. But that would be her ignorance coming to that conclusion. If you are part of a totalitarian religion, you are responsible to know about it, and you have to accept that fate if you choose to remain part of that religion. You can't expect to be trusted by those on whose societies your religion has totalitarian designs.
" I was in tears," Abbasi said. " I was just crying. I have lived in the United States for 10 years. I am a citizen. "
I have lived in the United States, all of my life. I am a citizen by birth.
And as a citizen of the United States, I resent having to go through all of the security measures that are put into place when I travel, because of Abbasi's coreligionists.
And I am in tears ( tears of anger ), because ingrates like her are allowed into the country.
Do yourself, and everyone else, a favor Abbasi. Go back to where you came from.
We will all be better off.
Marc Louis wrote:
IDF, settlers save Arab baby meters away from where Fogel relatives are sitting Shiva
.........................
Thank you so much for posting this, Marc. If anything shows the incredible difference between the civilized and decent Israelis and the vicious Jihadists who would kill them all, it's this story.
And no matter how much the "Palestinians" calumny the Israelis, they know they can always turn to them for a helping hand in times of trouble.
And the Israeli medical team didn't grudgingly save the life of this "Palestinian" woman and her baby, either—they felt it was an almost redemptive moment.
Of course, it is not *the Israelis* who are in need of redemption, here...
you are absolutely correct blue raven when you state that "We are on our own on this issue"...
this is why i think it is of utmost importance not only not to give in "an inch" to any muslime demand/request/plea/grovel.
to the contrary!
they must be made to understand that the 1400 year odysey has come to an end in as far as the kuffar go...
stealth jihad is not being tolerated anymore. if they choose to live and enjoy the freedom of the west, they cannot have it both ways... so at the slightest HINT of trying to live in our midst as if they are still in saudi arabia, or **worse**, trying to impose on us this lifestyle (eh, no thank you!), their 'right' to live in the west has expired and off to sharia-land!
being the cowards that they are, they would not dare say a word if their perception of us is that of strength.
if they perceive us to be asleep however - they await for the opportunity to duplicate the savage murder of the israeli family...mudered while asleep....
this is their bravery...
Look, Ma ! A scarf-wearing crocodile !!!!!
:)
that was gooooood!
Islamic doctrine is full of hate and intolerance and anyone who asserts otherwise is revealing to all either their ignorance or their mendacity. Therefore, Muslims should expect suspicion from all clear-thinking folks, just as, for example, Marxists, KKK members and Neo-Nazis should. Yes, such losers still have many rights in free societies, as they should, even though the ideology they adhere to would destroy liberty if given the chance (Muslims and non-Muslim apologists for Islam never get this), but those who believe in a hate-filled creed must understand that ordinary folks need not tolerate intolerance beyond a certain point.
Thankfully, the world is increasingly coming to the realization that Islam is just awful. And being a Keith Ellison crybaby type, like this Abbasi joker, means very little anymore. Hey, if one is a true believer in an ideology replete with venomous ideas about the human condition, they shouldn't expect to be treated like a regular Joe or Jane. Adherence to hate should come with a price.
From http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Pakistani-Christians-convert-to-Islam-because-of-threats-and-intimidations-21041.html
we find out a little more about the average Pakistani's attitude against us....
[Pakistani Christians convert to Islam because of threats and intimidations by Aoun Sahi*
This is the rate is 60 per month. In one madrassa in Lahore alone, 678 Christians embraced Islam in 2009. Last year they were almost 700. These are “dangerous days” minorities, activists say as the blasphemy law is used to force them to change religion....
Peter Jacob, Executive Director of National Commission for Justice and Peace (NCJP), an advocacy organisation funded by the Catholic Church, says it is no surprise some of Pakistan’s three millions Christians are adopting Islam nowadays. “These are troublesome and dangerous days for the country’s religious minorities. People have no faith in the police or the justice system and the kind of fear that exists now was never there before,” he says.
Legally, there is no bar on religious conversion. “But in Pakistan only one-way conversion to Islam is allowed that can be very fatal to religious diversity in the country. It is not only Christians in Pakistan who are scared. All minorities are under pressure.”
Jacob thinks that security has become a major reason for marginalised and discriminated Christian community to convert to Islam. “Blasphemy laws are also being misused to pressurise Christians to convert to Islam.”
...Joseph Francis, National Director, Centre for Legal Aid Assistance and Settlement (CLAAS), believes that all these conversions are forced. “Jamia Naeemia or Badshahi Mosque officials do not look into the reasons why people have been converting to Islam. We have also found that in many cases young Christian girls are abducted and married off to Muslim men. They are also forced to change their religion and there is no process available to get them released as once they are declared Muslims, they cannot come back to Christianity.” ]
Of course, if we start taking a look at the incidence of terrorism and terrorism related conspiracies, we'll find further evidence on why the average Pakistani Muslim is so dangerous to our society...
. .why the average . is so dangerous.
That's a fact.
. .as a listing ship keels all too easy.
. .as a listing ship keels all too easy. Hence the importance of constitutional order.
i hear all of this and roll my eyes and groan. spoilt, intellectually challenged children. sit in the corner and have a tantrum. take a "time out"
and they will keep doing this victim/outraged/sensibilities hurt act until it DOES happen. and beyond. and when it Does happen again, when the U S or Great Britain or someone is bombed again, watch our intolerence rise to another level.
what does this cousin marrier want? our sympathy? to be taken seriously? what treatment would i recieve in pakistan?
get real.
the vigilent staff member should be praised. brave to even confront it, in times when so many people are meek and scared. we need more of it, because you really are dealing with emotionally stunted people, from a backwards beliefs system, from another age.
if i were a pakistani woman who has lived in america for 10 years, i'd be thanking my great one daily.
The best defense is a good offense, or, the wages of chutzpah is sympathy.
That's where Robert and the Orthodox Jews go wrong. If you foam at the mouth, writhe on the floor and scream like you're being tortured, you too can be a victim and get big bucks. It's all here in this little book: "How to win friends and influence liberals", by Daoud bin Karnoogie.
If she doesn't like the way she is treated in the States she can don a burka and go back to some remote corner of her former home land Pakistan which is so progressive with its blasphemy laws. To put the blame on King's hearings is the usual CAIR crap.
We need to be firm with these fake cries of discrimination.
Call a "spade a spade"
Throw her out of the country for good.
Apologies are a huge mistake.
A sign of weakness and submission.
Why does anyone even listen to this crap any more? I mean, seriously, every last one should have lost all credibility on 9/11.
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http://www.facebook.com/pages/Darwins-Outcasts/105187072895708
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watching cnn's piers morgan interviewing israel's prime minister netanyahu.
what a bastard!!!
badgering bibi with questions/statements of the sort :
"i can't believe you want to go down history as the one who did not bring peace....(i.e. why don't you just give everything away...),israel's ecoonomy has been flourishing while conditions in gaza are apalling (oh really?...)
this imbecile is definitely getting his talking points from the muslime brotherhood...
From the article,
Only thirty-one?
It must have been a bad "headscarf" day.
When will Western Civilization wake up?
Vikram
you wrote - 'Maybe she was saying "it's a go" to her CAIR handler ?"'
That's pretty much what *I* thought.
Wellington wrote:
Islamic doctrine is full of hate and intolerance and anyone who asserts otherwise is revealing to all either their ignorance or their mendacity. Therefore, Muslims should expect suspicion from all clear-thinking folks, just as, for example, Marxists, KKK members and Neo-Nazis should. Yes, such losers still have many rights in free societies, as they should, even though the ideology they adhere to would destroy liberty if given the chance (Muslims and non-Muslim apologists for Islam never get this)
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Well, I agree with you for the most part, Wellington. I do believe that many Muslims who flee the worst hell holes of Dar-al-Islam seem completely clueless that, with backing elements of Shari'ah law, that they are recreating the conditions here that made the places they escaped from so awful—but they simply cannot allow themselves to understand that it is *Islam itself* that made things so bad.
That is true of many clueless Western apologists for Islam, as well—they cannot believe that what is wrong with the Muslim world is *Islam itself*—no, it must be poverty, or the vestiges of colonialism, or US foreign policy, or *something*...
The litigious Ms. Abbasi may well fall into this category.
But then there are those who are intent on spreading Islam to the civilized realms of Dar-al-Harb, with full realization of what that will mean for us and for them. They *want* to spread the evil of Islam—and that is, specifically, why they are here.
They hope to bring the West under the sway of Shari'ah, and don't care if that will destroy us in the process. We would make a rich corpse, and they can dine off us for a long time. I realize that this is grotesque image, but I believe it is apt. It would take years and years to fully destroy the vibrant West, and they would be the "beneficiaries"...
Perhaps even worse than these avowed enemies are their Western apologists—not the clueless multiculturalists, dangerous as they may be, who believe that Islam is just the same as any other "exotic" or "enriching" element from around the world, and think of Islam largely in terms of Tagines and colorful Kilims—but those who fully realize that Islam will destroy us, and welcome that destruction.
More jihad lawfare to extract more jizya from the infidels. Just one of the many great things we have to live with in our multicultural society.
And you're exactly right, she and CAIR both completely understand why this happened, but they want to make a federal case out of it anyway to further the Islamist agenda.
Thank you for your reply, gravenimage, and I hope you're doing well. There's a maxim in the law that says that ignorance of the law is no excuse. Well, ignorance of what Islam really stands for should never function as an exculpating factor for those Muslims who are good people but more or less ignorant of their own religion's doctrines. They must still be held to account for believing in a malevolent spiritual ideology. And, as you rightly noted, there are many Muslims who know damn well what their religion is about and all the excuse making in the world cannot exonerate them one iota. Ditto, as you again noted, for those vicious multiculturalists (as opposed to the clueless dupes) who, with full cognizance of their position, wish actively for the destruction of a civilization which is almost infinitely superior in every way to the dreary societies that Islam has spawned. Shame on them forever.
Great comment as always Graven~
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This woman, Irum Abbasi, most likely knows exactly what she is doing... It is very unlikely that she is a typical Islamic cultist (an utterly clueless primitive).
She is most likely an intentionally deceitful (see Karen Armstrong) Islamist freak show. The fact that she is consulting with CAIR about this matter and raising such a fuss speaks volumes. What Muslims like Irum Abbasi and Armstrong really care about, and want, is a further widening of the door for the Islamisation of non-Islamic societies. This is their, deranged, backward, underlying agenda and goal.
There is no greater mistake that a human being can make in life than to support or approve of Islam. This is especially true as it concerns women, obviously...
Muhammad was nothing more than an evil mad man in the final analysis, obviously...
I am an ex-Muslim:
http://www.considerationsofacanadianex-muslim.org
Hey Irum, I've got your apology right here, babe. Never underestimate the power of a well placed 2 X 4 upside the head to knock a little sense into an uppity Muslima.
"Abbasi attributed her removal to growing anti-Muslim sentiment in the U.S. and said that it was a direct result of the congressional hearing called by Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., on the radicalization of U.S. Muslims...."
No Irum, it's because of your condescending tone, your adherence to a religion that likes to kill people and your formulaic "demand" for an apology right out of the CAIR handbook. CAIR's standard shakedown of any company they are trying to extort money from goes like this:
1) to investigate the incident,
2) reprimand the cashier,
3) provide the Muslim customer with a written apology,
4) and institute sensitivity and diversity training for staff.
When CAIR tried to sue a Fairfax County, Virginia police officer about three summers ago I read the letter that CAIR sent to the officer. Guess what? Same demands, although swap out "cashier" for "police officer". They sent the same basic letter to Abercrombie and Fitch, Nike, Disneyland, Old Country Buffet and who knows how many police departments across the country. They also usually ask for money or back wages if the Muslim that was offended didn't get the job. (Back pay for a job you didn't get? Anyone remember that smug Bushra Noah?)
Thank you for your reply, gravenimage, and I hope you're doing well. There's a maxim in the law that says that ignorance of the law is no excuse. Well, ignorance of what Islam really stands for should never function as an exculpating factor for those Muslims who are good people but more or less ignorant of their own religion's doctrines. They must still be held to account for believing in a malevolent spiritual ideology. And, as you rightly noted, there are many Muslims who know damn well what their religion is about and all the excuse making in the world cannot exonerate them one iota. Ditto, as you again noted, for those vicious multiculturalists (as opposed to the clueless dupes) who, with full cognizance of their position, wish actively for the destruction of a civilization which is almost infinitely superior in every way to the dreary societies that Islam has spawned. Shame on them forever.
Well said.
"But then there are those who are intent on spreading Islam to the civilized realms of Dar-al-Harb, with full realization of what that will mean for us and for them. They *want* to spread the evil of Islam—and that is, specifically, why they are here."
i agree but think it goes further. i think its seen as the bottom dog's (immigrants) chance to be top dog. and if they can do it here, or there, or in england, that rich corpse would help attack its expellers.. i think thats an underlying staple of the mohomeden. spite and long held resentment, fermenting for generations.
i think that this mentality will see violent change in the months to come. i'm still certain that once official sharia is imposed on all of the protesting states, it will unleash inter tribal and inter factionalist war on a scale the likes of which the world has never seen. and we'll see it all, brutally, via the net.
and oil will just burn. we'll be putting out fires for them, initially.. but very quickly, as the horror unfolds and the international terrorism spikes, popular opinion will sway. viet nam will seem like a media dinosaur. the ralleys will be huge. all denounciing this evil cult.
we may even have to quell small uprising locally. but they are essentially cowards.
so i ask you again, karen armstrong, what's in this for you? what's your motivation? bullied at school? you married a moslem? you resent your parents? i presume youve read the koran? again, shame on you. what's your angle?
"Are the orthodox Jews demanding an apology? Holding press conferences? Claiming Judeophobia?"
they usually don't suck it up too well, do they?
ie the moslem world don't...
thats that understatement blown.
I'm sorry dear but apparently your word is not as important as the male cabin staff.
As a dual citizen, I was born American, but immigrated to Israel. That means I must be faithful to both countries, even though now I would consider myself more Israeli than American. However, when I do come back to America, to visit family, or for business, I conform completely to the American System of Law and the Constitution, and when back in Israel, I conform to the norms that are in state here.
On the other hand, Muslims have alligence only to Islam, and to hell with American Democracy or to the American Constitution. Islam doesn't have a clause for duel citizenship, and as such, there is only one clause in Islam, and that is " Be Muslim or be a slave (dhimni), and that is as best. But the real Islam is "Be Muslim or Be Dead!!!). Islam has as it's final goal the entire subjugation of the entire world to Islam, and cannot allow for any alligence with any form of government besides Sharia (Islamic Law).
Wake up America. The real war is not over territory (Israel), but Faith, Islam or Freedom.
Excellent, gratifying post, Wellington, speaking further on what Traeh and Gravenimage already put forward well.
Responsibility, accountability of Muslims is, it seems to me, a very important part of being pro-democracy anti-jihad.
What can we hold sane adult Muslims residing in Democratic Nations responsible, accountable for? And accountable-holding does not need to be disrespectful per se. We democracy-supporters can be modest enough to say: Well, Democracy has many flaws and drawbacks too, but we prefer it over all other political systems.
And if Muslims were knowledgeable and honest about Islam they would proudly admit they have a competing, hostile political system, better in their view, because "Allah knows best".
If a lot of them did this, we could then show this to our citizens who then in majority would .... What? Perhaps respectful tell Muslims that they are member, not of a criminal, but still of a tyrannical, anti-democratic organisation??? That would be the logical thing to do.
And in consequence of that freedom of religion would be curtailed, those who identify themselves as belonging to the Islam-group could be sensibly discriminated against. All unthinkable now, but quite reasonable when a majority of mankind would know the 2 political systems and their irreconcilable differences and competition and loyalties and if ignorance of both would be no excuse.
And if the Muslims were honest about this, mankind could work out a system with several sorts of countries, among them clear democratic and islamic countries. And citizens could be sent to or accepted into that sort of country they would and could have the most affinity and loyalty too.
Now Muslims are trying to hide and deny the truth about Islam, thereby showing that they are deceitful and not proud of their heritage. Or, more often, just ignorant and confused about what their holy texts say. Yet refusing to update one iota of it (as would citizens do with faulty Democratic laws), too afraid to re-interpret in a way that is really totally compatible with the Democratic political system.
And I think Muslims must be held accountable for the rules of membership of Islam and the worldwide Ummah. It is an organisation that accepts members as infants, and only asks of them some 5-pillar-rules, no more. It even forbids it's members to quit the organisation, on pain of death or severe harassment. Wow, I wish democrats would do that!
By openly adhering to the Islam-group of people I think Muslims are responsible for their co-religionists because of failure to put decent conditions and standards on membership of Islam. And of failure to oust non-complying members. That is something they should be able to do and they don't. But that is their responsibility and reason to deny them entry and citizenship in democratic nations.
Correction; I do not wish that Democrats would do the same as Muslims. But imagine if they did that!
And what Muslims could be well asked to do, is to form a branch, organisation, politicial party, that is Democracy-compatible. And on membership of which is put sufficient democratic conditions.
This would make default-Muslims, not member of that organisation, by default followers of tyrannical laws and organisation.
Why cannot that be demanded from Muslims? When both the Democratic and Islamic political system are fully known to enough people.
Let's just say it is "her" people that have caused all Americans to be subjected to scrutiny, pat-downs, and humiliation - she should just shut her mouth or go back to Pakistan - see where her bitching gets her there!
Blames King's hearings.
It seems that Islamist's are concerned with King's hearings. Wait until Emerson, Spencer or Gaffney testify.
It's the closing arguments that count.
days after 9/11 I was headed to Israel. I had never been so I figured now was time as tourists would be a minimum.(Terrorists I can handle but tourists!) So El Al pulled me aside and took me to a small room. They wanted to know why I was going to Israel when nobody else was doing so. The plane was full but full of Jews going for business or family, etc. Three airline personnel interogated me. Pulled my bag and searched it thoroughly. This went on for half and hour each of the three peppering me with questions. They could not understand why out of 300 million peole I was the only one wanting to go to Israel. Finally my interrogators went silent. They didn't no what to do with me. The silence lasted well over a minute as they stood there looking at me. Finally one of the women asked, "Sir, what is your ancestry? I told them Irish. Immediately they all, simultaneously, lept up and said, "OH, OK. Thank you and please have a nice trip". Just another crazy Irishmen. My roots being from Donegal I had to agree with them. When I got to Israel it was indeed empty of tourists so I had a fine time. However, I did bump into an Irishman at Masada.
Any Apology should be "We're sorry we allowed you to become a citizen, and we're that we try to protect our citizens. Now please leave back to where you came from and don't come back."
opps, "they didn't "no" what to do with me"....that ain't right
What a big whiney crybaby! Southwest should be congratulated. I am a U.S. citizen, born and bred in America, British ancestry, blonde hair, and yet am pulled aside on every U.S. flight I ever take for further scrutiny because I live in the Middle East and have all kinds of funny and suspicious stamps in my passport. I have never sniveled about it. I am happy when the airlines are being vigilant. It is always me plus some swarthy young bearded male between the ages of 20-40 who are singled out. I don't find it to be an imposition and I am cooperative and polite and patient when it happens and then I ALWAYS say a big THANK YOU to whoever has to do it, especially when they act apologetic about it. This whole story is ridiculous. Typical "victim" mentality. Actually, the most rigorous scrutiny I have found from airports was not in the U.S., but was in places like Amsterdam (and of course Israel).
The bottom line is they were entirely right to question her. They were totally wrong to deny her access to that flight after they corroborated here story. However that being said, she is a total rectal orifice for demanding a written apology. She got two verbals and a free flight. What more does she need? Let her denounce her citizenship and go back to fu*kistan and see how she is treated there
to Irum Abbasi:
...Who gives a crap if you were in tears. There's over 100 people on that plane and all their safety comes first. If you can't seem to understand that, go to freakin' Hell. But I do understand you are a self centered conceited bitch and you want everyone to know you come first. Actually you would make your so-called "religion" a few points if you told the media you were glad they pulled you off the plane, because the safety of all Americans should come first. But you wanted to cry instead....so you get the ITF Muslim Cry Baby Award!!
Very good post. There can be shown a mountain of evidence and clues about the real goals of Islam and Muslims worldwide.
And because of this TRUST in Muslims by other citizens is decreasing to almost zero. First in Islam-wise citizens individually, then in the width of the population.
Under these circumstances it seems to me unreasonable for Muslims and "Muslim-defenders" DEMAND uncritical, unconditional trust from their fellow-citizens.
I think it is time that politicians like Geert Wilders, Allen West and many others start demanding from Muslims to try to earn trust in them by taking clear steps, toward democracy-proof organisations with conditional (continued) membership.
Or to openly shed the democratic sheepskin over the real tyrannical wolfish character of Islam. Of which even Muslims seem or claim not be even aware of. But ignorance is no excuse.
Argumentum ad miseracordium--appeal to pity--is a logical fallacy that is being used to "win" debates against people who don't see through this ploy.
Ms. Abassi should be happy that the airline took safety concerns seriously enough to act on them.
Our friend, a nun who wears a habit, flew to a conference when she was 96 and was subjected to full TSA treatment. (A medical device set off the initial alert.)She was inconvenienced but knew it was part of post-9/11 travel, and so she wasn't offended.
Yet, unlike cases involving Muslim garb designed to conceal weapons, how many School Sisters of Notre Dame have actually carried out terrorist attacks?
CAIR: We know you're pressing the hijab issue to promote your propaganda, and we know it's not about religion, but rather about politics. You should be ashamed of yourselves for using weak-minded people to carry out your bidding.
"I was in tears," Abbasi said.
Oh, you poor thing! But were your tears for the real victims? The victims of Islamic Jihad?
"..said his group believes she was targeted because of her head scarf and wants to meet with the airline to ensure it does not happen again."
Stop Islamic Jihad.
Trust me, it won't happen again!
"Abbasi attributed her removal to growing anti-Muslim sentiment in the U.S. and said that it was a direct result of the congressional hearing called by Rep. Peter King"
No, Abbasi it is a direct result of continued Islamic Jihad attacks around the world.
"I wish reporters would start asking hard questions."
That's exactly right! The media could do a lot of good if they were not so determinedly on the side of the enemy.
the verbal apology "doesn't make me feel better."
I wonder if 9/11 made her feel better? They attack us and we have to apologise.
Nasty looking critter.
Today in a politically correct environment, profiling is the only way to keep our skies safe! Today, if you say "bomb" "hijack" "allah akbar" ect. airline authorities do have the right to remove you if you act inappropriately.
Remember, islam has never apologized for 9-11, Beslan, London-Moscow bombings, islamic sacrifice for a 5 year old Ukrainian boy, Fort Hood shootings, recent murder of an entire Jewish family, Madrid bombings, Mumbai Hotel bombings, Bali Bombings, and on and on and on...
Many Muslims, men or women, would hate to miss any opportunity to advance their privileged status. This woman could have gotten her cue from Keith Ellison's performance.
Well... what to say on this thread... I guess this-- I sincerely hope that the people posting here-- most especially this irresponsible and appalling bully of an author-- are not among those on the right who protest when they are called racists and bigots. In many cases, right wing people say and write things that carry a whiff of racism even though they say nothing direct and explicit enough to make their racism frank and obvious. Depending on the totality of their message, the rest of us may either extend the benefit of the doubt or recognize their actual character and avoid them...
But here, I'm looking only at the five comments directly above this field; I scanned a few as I scrolled down the page, and they were about the same as these:
One says Muslims have a privileged status (I rather doubt this person knows any Muslims) which they apparently consistently manipulate.
The next complains that ""Islam" has never apologized" and then names several terror attacks-- Islam is a religion and cannot apologize for anything, even were it guilty; moreover, it's a religion with 1.2 billion followers . Presumably the person who posted this means for us to understand that he or she believes not enough Muslims have made apologies for these actions. I'm a Lutheran and have never apologized for the crimes of other Christians-- I choose to embrace an historical understanding that people confessing my faith have been guilty of the crimes of the crusades, slavery, religious wars, Inquisition/witch trials and have molested countless children while serving as members of the clergy-- but I do this because I see a value in doing so, not because I've been guilty of these crimes. It has never once occurred to me to even consider myself a holder of some sort of spiritual debt markers owed to me by Muslims because of the terrorist acts of some of their faith.
Then I guess it's the same guy who then comments again, making justification for profiling-- this will "make our skies safe," he says. Except that there have been no terror attacks on planes since 9-11, and furthermore, profiling has not been responsible for capturing any terrorists in Europe or the U.S. But that's not important.. it seems more appropriate to simply tell this guy that it may be he, one day, who is on the receiving end of what he so contentedly dismisses when it victimizes another.
(Actually, I think a lot of people on this blog have got a date with the "measuring rod" Jesus spoke of when he warned us against judging others too readily.)
The next guy calls her a "nasty looking critter." I don't think she's ugly at all, but I'll speculate strongly about one thing-- the guy who posted this has neither a wife nor a girlfriend, and whatever relationships he has had with women have been brief, rare, and always unsuccessful.
Then finally there is Gerard, who, taunting her for saying that the airline's apology didn't make her feel better, asks a rhetorical question so moronic it fails even to be offensive-- he writes, "I wonder if 9-11 made her feel better.." then follows this with "They attack us and we have to apologize."
For me, this blog is one of those stark reminders that right wing bigotry is not merely the limp and poorly reasoned paroxysm of aging, inadequate men that most of us dismiss it for being-- however weak and timid such men may be as individuals, when gathered together they can sometimes be quite provocative-- and all the rest of us can end up being victimized when such naive half men finally say the wrong thing to the wrong people... and yet, I also see that there is little, I think, for any of us to do about men like you. You evoke contempt-- everyone's contempt-- Muslims, Americans'-- it doesn't matter, people from anywhere will see you the same... as each of you sees himself when alone in his bathroom trying to avoid his glance in the mirror.
And so, I leave you now.. as people routinely do when business places them in your proximity for long enough to whiff the shame and bile. Whether a Muslim man or woman slaps your faces, or whether you are punished by God by simply remaining yourselves into the interminable future, the consequence is just and I leave you to it.
Okay, one last word.. to this man Wellington. Don't bother citing neo nazis, or other hate groups in your effort to balance the hate and racism you suspect is the theme of your post.. No person who reads what you write will fail to see you for what you are, and no attempt you make to associate yourself with those who oppose hate and bigotry will ever obscure the hate and bigotry that leaks from your every pore.
Oh, and in addition to being every bit the racist as the groups you cite, you are also, I am quite sure, as much the loser as those at whom you throw the word.
Her mouth needs filling. Any takers?
Wellington wrote:
Well, ignorance of what Islam really stands for should never function as an exculpating factor for those Muslims who are good people but more or less ignorant of their own religion's doctrines.
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I absolutely agree. I hope you are doing well, also.
As always, I look forward to your comments, Wellington.
James wrote:
i agree but think it goes further. i think its seen as the bottom dog's (immigrants) chance to be top dog. and if they can do it here, or there, or in england, that rich corpse would help attack its expellers.. i think thats an underlying staple of the mohomeden. spite and long held resentment, fermenting for generations.
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James, a great many immigrants to the United States, Great Britain, and elsewhere in the West can do extremely well for themselves, if they are hard working and adopt first-world habits. Without the doctrine of Muslim supremacism, I doubt such "resentment" would be any sort of major factor.
Islam does not just want to "do well" in any society, it wants to dominate and exploit that society mercilessly.
Salem Smith, Moharebeh, and Demsci, thanks for your thoughtful comments.
Dmerrin10000, don't let the door hit you on your way out...
And what if she had been carrying some type of bomb in her scarf or clothes? What if this was a "dry run" to see if alarms would go off? What if she was clearing the way for another woman to go through with the plan to the real intended end result? What if Southwest Airlines (and others) cowed and changed policies, not pursuing military-sounding cell phone conversations by Muslim women? What then? Jihad (war) has been declared on the West and the West is being conditioned to accept domination. It is time we admitted that fact to ourselves and stopped feeling guilty and making excuses for the abusers.
It was women like Abbasi who inspired the full-body burqa. She is truly as ugly as a bag of assholes and obviously has the personality to match.
Wellington is a racist? What race is Islam again? You think Islam is a race?
What "right wing biggotry" do you mean? You mean the critisism of Islam which has over the last 1400 years subjegated and killed non-beleivers and women? Can you deny that this has and is happening? Can you show how the verses being quoted by those killing and subjegating in the name of Islam are misquoting the Koran and Hadiths? Can you show how mohammad was a good person and a good example for all time as muslims beleive when he murdered, robbed, beat and raped women and hated Jews? I think not, which makes you a liar.