Woman jailed for being raped in Muslim country sues

This kind of thing arises from the Qur'an's requirement that four witnesses are required to establish a sexual crime, i.e., adultery, rape, etc. This is the Qur'an's chapter 24, where it unfolds this way: in verses 11-20 Allah furiously castigates a group that has “brought forward a lie” (v. 11) against a chaste woman, without producing four witnesses (v. 13). The deity scolds the believers as well, for crediting this obvious slander (vv. 12, 16). This is a most serious matter (v. 15), but the Qur’an doesn’t tell us what it’s all about. This hadith fills in the details. Allah had recently ordered the veiling of women (a command that is transmitted in v. 31), so Aisha, when she accompanied Muhammad to a battle, was carried in a curtained howdah on the back of a camel. The caravan stopped and Aisha got out to answer “the call of nature.” While returning she lost her necklace, and stopped to search for it. Meanwhile, her attendants, forbidden to look at her or speak to her, loaded the howdah back onto the camel without realizing that she wasn’t in it. “At that time,” Aisha explains, “I was still a young lady,” and what’s more, “women were light in weight for they did not get fat.”

And so the caravan left without her, and Muhammad’s favorite wife was stranded. Presently a Muslim warrior who was traveling behind the army came along, and was considerably startled to find Aisha alone. “I veiled my face with my head cover at once,” Aisha insisted, “and by Allah, we did not speak a single word, and I did not hear him saying any word besides his Istirja’” – a prayer spoken in times of distress. The warrior carried Aisha on his camel to the Muslims’ camp – and almost immediately the rumors started. Even Muhammad was affected by them. Aisha explains: “After we returned to Medina, I became ill for a month. The people were propagating the forged statements of the slanderers while I was unaware of anything of all that, but I felt that in my present ailment, I was not receiving the usual kindness from Allah’s Messenger which I used to receive when I got sick.”

Aisha was deeply distressed: “I kept on weeping that night till dawn, I could neither stop weeping nor sleep, then in the morning again, I kept on weeping.” Ali bin Abi Talib, who later became the great saint and hero of the Shi’ite Muslims, ungallantly reminds Muhammad that there are “plenty of women” available to the Prophet (Aisha never forgot or forgave this, and after Muhammad’s death, warred against Ali herself.) But Ali also advises Muhammad to ask Barira, Aisha’s slave girl, if she has seen anything, and Barira maintained that Aisha had done nothing wrong. Muhammad left the matter in Allah’s hands, telling Aisha: “I have been informed such-and-such about you; if you are innocent, then soon Allah will reveal your innocence, and if you have committed a sin, then repent to Allah and ask Him for forgiveness, for when a person confesses his sins and asks Allah for forgiveness, Allah accepts his repentance.”

Muhammad then received a revelation from Allah, as Aisha watched: “So there overtook him the same hard condition which used to overtake him (when he was Divinely Inspired) so that the drops of his sweat were running down, like pearls, though it was a (cold) winter day, and that was because of the heaviness of the Statement which was revealed to him. When that state of Allah’s Apostle was over, and he was smiling when he was relieved, the first word he said was, ‘Aisha, Allah has declared your innocence.’” Allah had revealed vv. 11-20.

Aisha, however, was still angry: “My mother said to me, ‘Get up and go to him.’ I said, ‘By Allah, I will not go to him and I will not thank anybody but Allah.’” Yet she was amazed by the revelation: “By Allah, I never thought that Allah would reveal in my favor a revelation which would be recited, for I considered myself too unimportant to be talked about by Allah in the Divine Revelation that was to be recited.”

But she was. And the false accusations against her brought about the requirement that four male Muslim witnesses must be produced in order to establish a crime of adultery or related indiscretions. Islamic law still requires the testimony of four male witnesses to establish sexual crimes (v. 13).

Consequently, it is even today virtually impossible to prove rape in lands that follow the dictates of the Sharia. Even worse, if a woman accuses a man of rape, she may end up incriminating herself. If the required male witnesses can’t be found, the victim’s charge of rape becomes an admission of adultery. That accounts for the grim fact that as many as seventy-five percent of the women in prison in Pakistan are, in fact, behind bars for the crime of being a victim of rape. When the Musharraf government instituted measures removing the crime of rape from the sphere of Islamic law and establishing that it be judged by modern canons of forensic evidence, a group of Islamic clerics were furious. They demanded that the new law be withdrawn: it would turn Pakistan into a “free-sex zone.” Clerics thundered that the new law was “against the teachings of Islam,” and had been passed only to appease the West.

So this is yet another element of the Sharia that only greasy Islamophobes oppose in America.

"Woman Jailed for Being Raped in Muslim Country Sues," from FoxNews, March 29:

An Australian woman is suing a five-star UAE hotel after she was drugged and raped by co-workers - but ended up in jail for eight months for having sex outside marriage.

Alicia Gali, 29, had her drink spiked and was raped by four co-workers at the luxury Le Meridien Al Aqah Beach Resort in the United Arab Emirates in June 2008.

She is seeking compensation from her former employer for breaching its workplace duty of care after she reported the assault to authorities, only to be jailed for eight months on an adultery charge.

Ms Gali spent eight months in prison as it is illegal as having sex outside marriage in the UAE is illegal....

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Aisha needed Safwan...a real man. She was fed up with her old impotent husband.
Muhammad's Sexual Impotence is the reason why so many women are jailed.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/01/prophetess-of-islam-video.html

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/002-rape_adultery.htm
How a Woman Must Prove Rape

If not shown four witnesses,
the rape will be seeb as an adultary and flog her with 80 stripes, to the word of the sadist Allah:

024.004
YUSUFALI: And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors;-

From another article about this:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/travel/news/queensland-woman-tells-of-her-jail-hell-in-united-arab-emirates/story-e6freqwo-1226028684306

EXCERPT:

"Ms Gali said she was never warned by her UAE employers that she could be charged with adultery and face prison if she complained of being raped, without having four adult male Muslim witnesses.
"I didn't even know what the charges were until five months into my sentence," Ms Gali said.
Three of the men Ms Gali claimed sexually abused her were jailed, but for adultery and not rape.
After serving eight months of a 12-month sentence, Ms Gali was pardoned and released and flew home in March 2009."

This is all based on the Hadith and the Qur'an, as Robert says. Even the part about being "pardoned"--that's right, a rape victim being "pardoned"--is based on hadith, and shows that the victim is "pardoned" for having committed adultery if she can prove she was forced against her will.

Robert writes: "But Ali also advises Muhammad to ask Barira, Aisha’s slave girl, if she has seen anything, and Barira maintained that Aisha had done nothing wrong."

And from the Sira:

Ishaq, p. 496. “...As for Ali, he said: “Women are plentiful and you can easily change one for another. Ask the slave girl, for she will tell you the truth.” So the apostle called Burayra to ask her, and Ali got up and gave her a violent beating, saying, “Tell the apostle the truth”

And

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 46, Number 731:
“Narrated Abu Huraira and Zaid bin Khalid: The Prophet said, "If a slave-girl (Ama) commits illegal sexual intercourse, scourge her; if she does it again, scourge her again; if she repeats it, scourge her again." The narrator added that on the third or the fourth offence, the Prophet said, "Sell her even for a hair rope."”

It is common knowledge that cops lie for one another in court. The "brotherhood" is expected to be upheld even if a mere common citizen must be thrown to the wolves to protect the honor of a "brother officer." Judges know this; in fact many of them participate in the charade. [Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.] All of this despite the oaths of office, taken with the usual "So help me God." Presumably that would be the "God" of the historical America, but in a PC, rudderless world of morality, who knows what it means today.

Now add to the mixture the toxicity of Islam where lying to protect or to advance Islam is a high duty, an esteemed act of Islamic worship.

A kaffir woman (blond no less) is going to find four MALE Muslims to act as her witnesses that she was raped by a fifth Muslim male, all inside an Islamic "court." [One is inclined to say a kangaroo court, but that would be so unkind to the reputation of what is a fine and noble animal.] Yeah, like that's going to happen.

For a ready example of what is happening today, inside an American courtroom dedicated to preserving the dominance of Islam in Dearborn, Michigan, go to the ACTS 17 website and see how the Constitution is being trashed for the sake of PC's favorite religion.

Here's the link for the latest on this unfolding tragedy,
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2011/03/dearborn-lawyers-william-debiasi-and.html

Surely the "four witnesses" thing is meant to be about proving adultary not rape, isn't it? I.e. if you want to accuse a woman of committing adultary you have to produce four witnesses... what kind of f*cked-up mind twists that round to mean you need witnesses to prove rape?

On Bill O'Reilly's show last night, he dealt with the subject of mistreatment of women in Islam. He had had the marvelous Wafa Sultan on a previous show, which I had unfortunately missed. From the clip, it sounded as though he had her on about the Libyan woman who was gang raped by Gaddafi's forces, then detained and arrested when she tried to tell foreign journalists about it.

He had Harris Zafar, an Ahmadiyya apologist for Islam on for rebuttal. O'Reilly didn't appear to realize that Ahmadis are hardly mainstream Muslims—and are, in fact, harshly persecuted by mainstream Muslims. That doesn't stop them from being full-blown apologists for Islam, though.

However, I *was* very heartened by some of what O'Reilly mustered—he quoted the Qu'ran 4:34:

"Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme."

He actually read *two* translations of this verse, noting both "beat them" and "scourge them". I was quite impressed.

Zafar tried to shrug this off, saying that "disobedience" should actually be understood to mean actual "rebellion", and that beating was only a "last resort" blah blah blah. O'Reilly stuck to his guns, and reiterated that this passage still gave men the right to beat their wives.

Zafar hemmed and hawed.

Then O'Reilly quoted several Hadith saying that Muslims can lawfully rape captives, including married women. Zafar claimed—predictably—that these Hadith "were not authentic", even though O'Reilly was quoting from the collection of Hadith by Bukhari, who is known as "Sahih" (reliable) Bukhari.

While I was quite impressed by O'Reilly quoting Hadith, he was obviously not familiar with the concept of "Sahih"—to be fair, how many Westerners are? But Zafar clearly took advantage of this gap in O'Reilly's knowledge.

Then Zafar brought up the idea that Islam, in fact, "protects" women, and then brought up the "four witnesses" issue, above. He did not, of course, indicate how this tenet of Islam is routinely used to persecute women who have the temerity to report rape, like the poor Australian in UAE cited above.

In fact, it was the reporting of rape—gang rape, in this case—that led Jihadists in Somalia to *stone a little 13-year-old girl to death*. By reporting the rape, she "admitted" that she had committed "Zina", or "unlawful sex". That the poor girl was hardly a willing participant *in her own gang rape* counted for *nothing* under Shari'ah.

Here's more on the rape victim from Libya:

"'The accuser has become the accused': Woman gang-raped by Gaddafi's troops is CHARGED with slander"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1370827/Libya-Iman-al-Obeidi-gang-raped-Gaddafis-troops-CHARGED-slander.html

"'The [soldiers] she accused are bringing a case against her because it's a very grave offence to accuse someone of a sexual crime,' he told reporters in the Libyan capital."

And why is that? Because she can't produce four independent male witnesses willing to testify that she was gang raped, of course.

What a travesty "Islamic law" is.

“After we returned to Medina, I became ill for a month. The people were propagating the forged statements of the slanderers while I was unaware of anything of all that, but I felt that in my present ailment, I was not receiving the usual kindness from Allah’s Messenger which I used to receive when I got sick.”

I notice Aisha often gets "ill" for months at a time when she is under stress. She became ill for several months when Muhammad first married her. Maybe she had a chronic ailment, or maybe she just became "ill" when she wanted sympathy...

RE: article, there's no way "moderate" UAE would treat women in such a manner. The "Sex in the City" gals went to the UAE and had a glorious, erotic time! Hollywood wouldn't lie to us. /s

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If children are our future than I'm thinking I should throw in the towel.

http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/article/your-voice-advertising-hate

women are treated like SH.... I remmber when my mom was going to IS, my dad would not give her permission to travel. it took month by my other family members to convice my dad.

I'd like to see some kind of case pursued against the UAE over this. After all, they imprisoned Ms Gali for 8 months. If Ms Gali and her lawyer can't pursue an actual legal case against the UAE and extract from them appropriate financial compensation, perhaps other avenues could be pursued against the UAE by the government of Australia.

Any lawyers want to comment on this?

Many provisions of Sharia are obscene and absurd on their face. The requirement of four male witnsesses in order to prove a charge of rape is a fine example of this. You'd have to be a brainwashed woman to think this requirement is just. I know there are a hell of a lot of brainwashed Muslim women, but there also has to be a hell of a lot who can still think for themselves, and even though leaving Islam is dangerous (another Islamic provision which should be anathema to any sensible person), women giving up Islam in droves is something I remain fairly confident will happen in the ensuing decades and which will help to eventually destroy Islam, the one major religion of the world which is wicked.

There had got to be a Muhammadian troll that can cite an incident culled from their vast humane experience where a four witness rape conviction was successful and that indeed the system works and is just. Proof that you value the virtue of Muslimahs that you hold so dear is in the balance. It would go a long way in dispelling arguements to the contrary. Please provide a link if one is available.

miriam rove wrote:

women are treated like SH.... I remmber when my mom was going to IS, my dad would not give her permission to travel. it took month by my other family members to convice my dad.
.........................

Thanks for telling that story, miriam. I feel sorry for your mother—and, indeed, for any woman living under Islam.

"Ms Gali said she was never warned by her UAE employers that she could be charged with adultery and face prison if she complained of being raped, without having four adult male Muslim witnesses."


Come on! Seriously, Ms. Gali? Have you been living under a rock?

Perhaps she's a victim of the libtarded acadamia that teaches all cultures are equal and she really had no clue.

Good luck with that. This is not the first nor will it be the last time a kaffr is raped in UAE.

Just google Alexandre Robert.

A teenaged BOY who was raped at knife point in Dubai.

If I recall the mother did try to get justice but the UAE courts at that point tried to accuse her son of homosexuality.

Silly kuffrs. You are not citizens of the world when you are living in kuranimal lands. You are kaffr and there is NO justice (as we know it in the West) for you.

Yet another self-serving "revelation" by the charlatan Muhammad: Aisha was young and hot and his favorite wife, so he revelated that she was innocent in order not to have to honor-kill her. Also, he didn't have to "banish her to a bed apart," as stipulated in Qur'an 4:34. How very convenient!

(This is explained in greater length by Robert Spencer in his book "The Truth about Muhammad.")

Ummmmmmmmmm.....how many 'Muslim' men in Muslim countries have gone to jail/prison for having sex outside of marriage???Let me guess...zero,unless they happen to be westerners,X-tians etc.,
Maybe in 7th century Arabia mohammed was enlightened(b/c he waited until Ayisha was 9 before raping her----)maybe all the other bedouins had sex w/babies...BUT THIS IS THE 21ST CENTURY-OUR MORES AND MORALS HAVE EVOLVED...I get incredibly saddened for all the intelligent girls & women trapped in Shariah governed countries....Look,I don't like the way most orthodox religious men treat women----As a feminist,all this plural wife crud makes me completely sick---Muslims;Mormons whomever.Esp. I dont trust "self proclaimed prophets"of ANY religion--interesting how the creator of the universe has nothing better to do than "amazingly reveal" it's ok for them to have sex,w/whatever female they desire,even though basic morality states its wrong.

Kittybootz

Gravenimage,

I saw both O'Reilly segments. He decided to speak over Sultan and although he seemed tough, was hoodwinked by Zafar for the reasons you mentioned.

After his moral obligation to support the jihadists in Libya, and when he referred to Muhammad as "the Prophet Muhammad" two nights ago with Sultan, without the Muslim or Islamic qualifier, I lost most of the respect I had left for him.

The Translating Jihad site has an interesting page on muslim absolutes. Anyone born as a slave-of-allah must treat anything in the quran or sahih hadith as absolute truth. It is blasphemy to utter an opinion on same. Islam is inherently tyrannical. We will pay for Obama's support for Islamonazi elements in the Maghrib and the Jazeera. But why aren't the four schools of muslim jurisprudence (madhabs) waging war of apostasy? They are in part, but those are matters for strategic aggression or final jihad, after the war of extermination agaisnt the disbeliever is won.

http://translating-jihad.blogspot.com/2011/03/american-muslim-leader-issues-fatwa.html

Maududists (Pakistans sectarian majority), believe that "democracy seizes sovereignty from allah." So why does Jamaat-i-islami, the Muslim Brotherhood, etc participate in elections? In their dogma, they are not participating in a democratic process, but using that process for the destruction of democracy. In Iran, the Guardian Council of ayatollahs can veto democratic elections and government decisions. In secular terms, Lenin summed up the totalitarian mind: "the purpose of parliamentarianism is the abolishment of parliamentarianism." Treatment of muslims as integral elements of Western Civilization, is pure folly. A muslim's body is the front-line of terror; a muslim's mind is the rear-base. They are our ideological enemy. The issue is: us versus them.

"I get incredibly saddened for all the intelligent girls & women trapped in Shariah governed countries."

Don't feel too sad for them. They are willing accomplices in this madness.

I've had vagina virgins (muslimahs) tell me with a straight face that stoning "saves" the woman from her sins.

They look down their noses at feminists like you. I've had them tell me that women like you are sluts and whores and prostitutes even if you've only had ONE sexual partner because...you had vaginal sex with that one partner while they are "pure" despite having several men take a ride down their hershy highway (hence the term vagina virgin).

I've had them tell me that feminists are just jealous that men don't want their "old, tired, used up vaginas" and THAT'S the reason you revile muhammad for consummating his marriage with 9 year old Aisha.

They defend the 1 man=2 women in testimony because "women are forgetful." When I remind them that they complain that their husbands/boyfriends forget anniversaries, birthdays etc., etc., so who's more forgetful? They without hesitation say "we forget IMPORTANT things."

These women are not some village idiots or poverty stricken farm girls. These were educated, western wannabe women. Engineers, educators, doctors, lawyers. Some even educated in the West. Yet they heatedly defend this madness.

They are willing and eager practitioners,defenders and perpetrators of this sickness. I always say that the vagina virgin in the hole being stoned to death would be smiling and eagerly throwing stones if it was another vagina virgin in the hole.

Do NOT feel pity for them. They are NOT our sisters. They are as vile, vicious, intellectually bankrupt and evil as their male co-cultists.

Agreed. Saw it, and can't believe I wasted time watching BO. If he thinks we need to go to war over a woman being raped by rogue Muslim men, he can throw a dart blindfolded and off we go.

Article after article, post after post. Years and years of documentation on JW. Arent you sick of this CRAP!! Give me a minute, im very "verclmpt"(?) just now!----- Another article involving courts and prisons and punishment. You might reference my two posts on "New documentary explores Jihad attack in Arkansas" posted by Robert on March 29th 2011 @ 6:15 AM. And our Government wants to establish Sahria courts here in America! What brain dead insanity!!

TZIONA: "Surely the "four witnesses" thing is meant to be about proving adultary not rape, isn't it? I.e. if you want to accuse a woman of committing adultary you have to produce four witnesses... what kind of f*cked-up mind twists that round to mean you need witnesses to prove rape?"

I have been trying for years to get Robert or someone else to clarify this discrepancy. Once and for all, which is it? Does it take four witnesses to

a) get a conviction for adultery

b) get a conviction for rape

c) both

?????????????????

"What kind of f*cked-up mind twists that round to mean you need witnesses to prove rape?"

Muhammed. That f*cked-up mind.

Awake, I agree with you and Medina about Bill O'Reilly. He does, however, have a *huge* audience, and if he manages to draw *any* attention to the to the savagery of Islam then it is a good thing.

He seems to be slowly educating himself about Islam, but it appears to be a glacial and uneven process. He is still far too wedded to the idea that Islam must be an essentially decent faith, all evidence to the contrary.

This kind of thing arises from the Qur'an's requirement that four witnesses are required to establish a sexual crime...

How is is that, in Islam, there can be a sexual crime, while in Judeo-Christianity there can not? In J-D there can be crimes involving sex, but not sexual crimes.

Do Hinduism and Buddhism incorporate sexual crimes?

I agree with awake, gravenimage and Medina about O'Reilly. I, too, saw that segment with Wafa Sultan. Except for his talking over her [hell, he talks over all of his guests, including Obama :) It's very rude.], I was impressed with the fact that he was quoting more or less the same verses from the Qur'an and hadith as we read here. But BO probably knows little about the various sects of Islam beyond the fact that there are different sects.

Question: Who decides who gets invited as guests and who writes BO's interview questions? I would be surprised if he did his own research. Someone had to suggest Wafa Sultan and point out these specific verses from the Qur'an, and from two different places, no less. Who is the guiding hand behind this, I wonder?

We need to continue challenging such Western leftie pretenders who want to silent us with lies, as usual with their pathetic Islamic-Nazism brainwashing propaganda; by ignoring the real historical foundation of Islam, on the predatory rape of children/women (including captured Jewish girls and boys; and that Aisha was a mere 9 year old girl whom Mohammed raped as his ‘wife’)& mass murder of the Jews/non-Muslims, to assert the political dominance of a primitive and savage Arabic cult by Mohammed & his tribe! Further, if we kept such predatory evilness unchallenged, the evilness will actually get worst; thus is why rapists and murderers are jailed for their crimes! But when evil men/women hide their crimes using religion - somehow it has to be tolerated; how barbaric is that? I'm a Christian who're not taught to bow down like slaves to evil! Pedophilia i.e rape of children, and rape of women are normalized in Islam, all imitating Mohammed!
See - http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8111227/children-aged-three-and-five-get-engaged

Children aged three and five get engaged
By ninemsn staff
Oct 23, 2010

Two children, aged three and five, have reportedly gotten engaged in Syria. Hala and her fiancee Khalid have exchanged rings and plan to marry in 10 years when she is 12 and he is 15.....
According to Syria's English-language Forward Magazine, Syrian marriages are traditionally arranged at an early age for both males and females.
When a boy turns 16, or when he reaches puberty, his female relatives begin searching for a suitable wife around the age of 12 or 13.
If prospects are limited, a matchmaker is hired and together they go knocking on the doors of nearby homes and asking: "Do you have girls for marriage"?

Shouldn't we always say, four "male" witnesses are needed? It is 4 male witnesses, not just 4 witnesses, isn't it?

Cornelius,

"I have been trying for years to get Robert or someone else to clarify this discrepancy. Once and for all, which is it? Does it take four witnesses to

a) get a conviction for adultery

b) get a conviction for rape

c) both

?????????????????"

Based on what I've read thus far, the answer depends on the situation. In the case of rape (ightisab), if the alleged perpetrator confesses, then four witnesses are not needed. Likewise in the case of zina (adultery or fornication) if the parties to the act confess to it. Other facts such a pregnancy may obviate the "need" for four male witnesses.

As to how such rules are incorporated in Islamic societies today, I would imagine the issue is more complex. At least in the above UAE case, though, the ruling still seems to be based on classical sharia.

The following was posted at the popular IslamOnline site, and was earlier posted on Islam q and a (my emphasis):

Name of Questioner Muhammad
Title Islamic Punishment for Rape
Question What is the ruling on the crime of rape in Islam?
Date 29/Oct/2009
Name of Counsellor Muhammad Saleh Al-Munajjid

Topic Crimes & Penalties, Adultery & Fornication, Mischief

Answer

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.
Thanks for your question, and we implore Allah to guide us all to the best and to help us gain insight to understand the teachings of Islam.
Rape is an abhorrent crime and an abominable sin. This heinous crime is forbidden not only in Islam but in all religions, and all people of sound thinking and pure human nature reject it.
Responding to the question, the prominent Saudi Islamic lecturer and author Sheikh Muhammad Saleh Al-Munajjid states the following:
The Arabic word ightisab (rape) refers to taking something wrongfully by force. It is now used exclusively to refer to transgression against the honor of women by force.
This is an abhorrent crime that is forbidden in all religions and in the minds of all wise people and those who possess sound human nature. All earthly systems and laws regard this action as abhorrent and impose the strictest penalties on it.
Islam has a clear stance which states that this repugnant action is haram (forbidden) and imposes a deterrent punishment on the one who commits it.
Islam closes the door to the criminal who wants to commit this crime. Western studies have shown that most rapists are already criminals who commit their crimes under the influence of alcohol and drugs, and they take advantage of the fact that their victims are walking alone in isolated places or staying in the house alone. These studies also show that what the criminals watch on the media and the semi-naked styles of dress in which women go out also lead to the commission of this reprehensible crime.
The laws of Islam came to protect women’s honor and modesty. Islam forbids women to wear clothes that are not modest. In addition, Islam encourages young men and women to marry early, and many other rulings that close the door before rape and other crimes. Hence it comes as no surprise when we hear or read that most of these crimes occur in permissive societies, which are looked up to by some Muslims as examples of civilization and refinement! It is worth mentioning here that in America , for example, Amnesty International stated in a 2004 report entitled “Stop Violence Against Women” that every 90 seconds a woman was raped during that year.
The punishment for rape in Islam is the same as the punishment for zina (adultery or fornication), which is stoning if the perpetrator is married, and one hundred lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married.
Moreover, Ibn `Abdul-Barr (may Allah bless his soul) said
The scholars are unanimously agreed that the rapist is to be subjected to the hadd punishment if there is clear evidence against him that he deserves the hadd punishment, or if he admits to that. Otherwise, he is to be punished (that is, if there is no proof that the hadd punishment for zina may be carried out against him because he does not confess and there are not four witnesses, then the judge may punish him and stipulate a punishment that will deter him and others like him). There is no punishment for the woman if it is true that he forced her and overpowered her. (Al-Istidhkaar, 7/146).
In addition, the rapist is subject to the hadd punishment for zina, even if the rape was not carried out at knifepoint or gunpoint. If the use of a weapon was threatened, then he is a muharib, and is to be subjected to the hadd punishment described in the verse in which Allah says (The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter) (Al-Ma’idah 5:33).
So the judge has the choice of the four punishments mentioned in this verse and may choose whichever he thinks is most suitable to attain the objective, which is to spread peace and security in society, and ward off evildoers and aggressors.
Source: www.islam-qa.com

END OF QUOTE
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Next there is this hadith:

Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4366:
"Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr:
When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her.
She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her.
She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him).
When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.
He (the Prophet) said to her: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. But he told the man some good words (AbuDawud said: meaning the man who was seized), and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death.
He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them."

There four witnesses were not needed, apparently because the perpetrator confessed. (How often does that happen?!) I'm also not sure when this occurred, i.e., before or after the ruling which came down re Aisha and the four witnesses requirement. Perhaps Robert could shed some light on that.

Also note: "Allah" has "forgiven" the rape victim! She is forgiven for zina because she was forced.

Here is another article on it from a pro-Islamic view:
http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2006/does-islam-require-four-witnesses-for-rape/

Only 14, Bangladeshi girl charged with adultery was lashed to death
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/29/bangladesh.lashing.death/

i can tell you this in Iran where I was born and raised and where people practice the Shia sect of Islam, women's testimony is that half of a man.

p.s. more on the four witnesses nonsense, from the Reliance of the Traveller, at muhaddith.org :

The Reliance of the Traveller. Version 1.06 - By Ahmad Ibn Naqib Al-Misri
BOOK O: JUSTICE >> Chapter O-24.0: Witnessing and Testying

O-24.9
If testimony concerns fornication or sodomy, then it requires four male witnesses (O: who testify, in the case of fornication, that they have seen the offender insert the head of his penis into her vagina).


BOOK N: DIVORCE >> Chapter N-11.0: Charging One's Wife with Adultery

N-11.2
A husband who accuses his wife of adultery is disciplined (ta`zir, def:o-17) by the magistrate and not allowed to imprecate against her when her adultery is already legally established (O: whether by her own admission, or by proof, meaning that four upright witnesses (o-24.4) have looked at her when she was copulating and seen the adulterer's penis in her vagina), or when (N: adultery is impossible, such as when) the person accused is a mere infant.

BOOK O: JUSTICE >> Chapter O-13.0: The Penalty for Accusing a Person of Adultery Without Proof

O-13.1
When a person (who has reached puberty and is sane) voluntarily:
(a) accuses another person of adultery or
sodomy, whether the accusation is in plain words or allusive words intended as an accusation;
(b) and the accused is someone who could be chaste (def:o-13.2) and is not the offspring of the accuser;
then the accuser is subject to the penalty for accusing a person of adultery without four witnesses (A: which, if it concerns his spouse, he may obviate by public imprecation (dis: n-11.1) ), no matter whether he is a Muslim, non-Muslim subject of the Islamic state, someone who has left Islam, or is of a group that has a truce with Muslims.

END OF QUOTES

Thanks for the info.

It appears we should be saying 4 male witnesses not just 4 witnesses. There is a difference, it implies that female witnesses are not reliable & only male witnesses may be believed. It is especially offensive that only males are considered reliable witnesses in accusations of rape. By telling it like it is "4 male witnesses" we show islam's disgusting bias toward men and complete oppression of women. We must always be clear & remember to say "4 male witnesses"

When I was listening to Wafa and BOR the other night Wafa said "4 witnesses" and left out the important "male" part. That's what got me thinking about this & how important it is, especially when trying to educate the masses.

”Muhammad is a narcissist, a paedophile, a mass murderer, a terrorist, a misogynist, a lecher, a cult leader, a madman, a rapist, a torturer, an assassin and a looter.”

This was excerpted from an article by Geert Wilders that is featured at Atlas Shrugs. Here Wilders is quoting Ali Sina. From the hadith quoted by Robert it is clear that we may add to the list Cuckold.

And reading down I see the same article discussed here at JW. Who knew Robert and Pamela would discuss the same article on their respective web sites? /s

Cornelius wrote:

TZIONA: "Surely the "four witnesses" thing is meant to be about proving adultary not rape, isn't it? I.e. if you want to accuse a woman of committing adultary you have to produce four witnesses... what kind of f*cked-up mind twists that round to mean you need witnesses to prove rape?"

I have been trying for years to get Robert or someone else to clarify this discrepancy. Once and for all, which is it? Does it take four witnesses to

a) get a conviction for adultery

b) get a conviction for rape

c) both

?????????????????
.......................

It's always seemed pretty inconsistent, Cornelius.

The '4 witnesses' "revelation" was fairly obviously cooked up by Muhammed when he decided to give his child bride the benefit of the doubt because she was his favorite wife.

But not only is the "4 witnesses" rule used against rape victims who report the rape—since only they, and not the assailants, are clearly "guilty" of Zina or adultery—but it is also used against women who become pregnant through rape or incest—again, since they are clearly guilty of Zina through dint of their pregnancy if unmarried, whereas their assailants cannot be proven guilty without those four witnesses.

On the other hand, Muslim men accuse women of Zina and adultery all the time, and often "honor kill" them for it.

Clearly, the "4 witnesses" rule does not often apply to those who suspect or accuse women of Zina or adultery—even if that *was* the intent of the "Prophet" when he first applied the rule to the case of Aisha.

Some years ago, a Morrocan Jewish neighbor related to me how an uncle had had to flee to France to avoid forced conversion to Islam and marriage to an Arab woman with whom he had had a brief relationship.

Sanman wrote:

This story is also horrific to read:

http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/30/when-a-girl-is-executed-for-being-raped/

Has JW covered this one yet?
................................

Yes, Sanman. Jihad watch covered this terrible story here:

"Bangladesh: 15-year-old girl dies during punishment straight out of the Qur'an"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/02/bangladesh-15-year-old-girl-dies-during-punishment-straight-out-of-the-quran.html

And here:

"Bangladesh: Teenage girl who died after punishment prescribed by the Qur'an bled to death"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/02/bangladesh-teenage-girl-who-died-after-punishment-prescribed-by-the-quran-bled-to-death.html

Good for the Nicholas Kristof at the NYT for covering this.

Mike,

That's one of the rules I came across too in looking at classical dhimma regulations...some jurists believed that a dhimmi man who had sexual relations with a Muslim woman had to convert to Islam and marry the woman, or else be put to death. Others argued that he simply should be put to death.

But, no compulsion in religion...

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Children aged three and five get engaged
By ninemsn staff
Oct 23, 2010

Two children, aged three and five, have reportedly gotten engaged in Syria. Hala and her fiancee Khalid have exchanged rings and plan to marry in 10 years when she is 12 and he is 15.....
According to Syria's English-language Forward Magazine, Syrian marriages are traditionally arranged at an early age for both males and females.
When a boy turns 16, or when he reaches puberty, his female relatives begin searching for a suitable wife around the age of 12 or 13.
If prospects are limited, a matchmaker is hired and together they go knocking on the doors of nearby homes and asking: "Do you have girls for marriage"?
========================================================
NO WORRIES, BASHAR ASSAD IS REFORMING SYRIA AS WE SPEAK

The Quran talks about adultery not rape.
The crime of rape is not even mentioned in the Quran; and the four witness rule for adultery / fornication has nothing to do with rape.
Rape is treated as murder in Egypt (yes the capital punishment for rapists is apllied) of course after using modern forensic evidence.

The Quran is the Islamic religion and not anything else
outside of the Quran. The Ignorance of the those who claim to be Muslims does not constitute Islam (which means surrendering to God peacefully, coined by the Quran).

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