Surely, Islamic apologists in the West will get right on the line to this guy and explain that, no, Muhammad's youngest wife, Aisha, was 16, 18, didn't know how old she was, was only "nine" in Galapagos tortoise-years, or whatever other excuse they might cook up.
The problem? Islamic texts and traditions say otherwise, and Muslims follow them. Indeed, the heart of the problem is this: Muhammad married a child. The example of Muhammad, "a beautiful pattern of conduct" according to Qur'an 33:21, cannot be set aside, or standards he set "updated," lest one imply Muhammad made a mistake. That would not only insult Muhammad (things seem to become flammable when that happens) but go against the Qur'an's endorsement of him, and therefore Allah's.
That is why child marriage persists in the Islamic world, from Nigeria to Yemen to Indonesia:
"The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)." -- Bukhari 7.62.88
"Islamist leader threatens of waging Jihad," from Weekly Blitz, April 20 (thanks to Weasel Zippers):
Notorious pro-Taliban Islamist clergy in Bangladesh, Mufti Fazlul Haque Amini has threatened to wage jihad in the country if the government will pass any law banning child marriage.
He said, two hundred thousand Jihadists of his group are ready to 'sacrifice' lives if any such law, which goes against "Koran and Sunnah" will be passed by the current government in the country.
He says it:
Mufti Amini said, "Banning child marriage will cause challenging the marriage of the holy prophet of Islam, who also married minor Ayesha, when she was just eight years old".
He said, "The new law initiated by the current government will put the moral character of the prophet into controversy and challenge."
Fazlul Haque Amini further said, "Islam permits child marriage and it will not be tolerated if any ruler will ever try to touch this issue in the name of giving more rights to women."
It may be mentioned here that, current government in Bangladesh has taken several measures in ensuring better rights to the women thus treating child marriage as severe offense. It also recommends equal distribution of properties amongst male and female inherits. In contrary, Islamic Sharia law gives lesser rights to women as far as inheritance is concerned. It also allows men to marry any infant girl child. It may be mentioned here that, such law is prevalent in most of the Islamic republics, while in Iran, even forceful sexual relations with the married infant is allowed. A large segment of Muslim scholars and secularist individuals term this as mere perversion.
But child marriage remains A-OK.
In Bangladesh, especially in the rural areas, child marriage is very regular phenomenon, where hundreds of child mothers die due to lack of medical facilities as well as for pre-mature pregnancy. There are even cases of deaths of child wives being virtually raped by their husbands. Child marriage is prevalent in rural Bangladesh both amongst the Muslim and non-Muslim families.
Several weeks back, Islamist clergy Mufti Fazlul Haque Amini and Moulana Rezaul Karim launched a movement of 'combating anti-Islam actions' by the government in Bangladesh. Since then, hundreds and thousands of followers of these fanatic leaders are active in various forms of demonstrations around the country. It is also reported in media that, minor boys in the Koranic Madrassas were forced join most of the anti-government demonstrations of these leaders. According to unofficial statistics, there are roughly 9 million students attending various madrassas in Bangladesh.
Mutfti [sic] Fazlul Haque Amini is branded as a 'political tout' in Bangladesh, who is virtually making millions by selling Jihadist notion amongst the people. He is under payroll of various Islamist groups including Pakistani intelligence agency ISI. Amini maintains closer ties with Al-Qaeda, Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, Lashkar-e-Toiba and militant outfits inside Kashmir. He also is actively involved in recruiting local youths for participating in 'Jihad' in Kashmir, Palestine and other places in the world.
Both Mufti Fazlul Haque Amini and Moulana Rezaul Karim are known for their extreme opinion against United States, Israel and the West. They also patronize various activities against these nations, as well as provide support and logistics to anti-Semitic forces in Bangladesh.
If any Islamic societies denounce the Mufti Amini as a dangerous crackpot like they did Pastor Jones, or even at the least just call him "controversial" I will drink a gallon of camel piss, as recommended by the Big Mo Himself.
Will we see the least outrage from all the "moderate" Muslim communities here in the more "civilized" West, not to mention our media at the Mufti's threat to launch a 200,000 zombie jihad just because their Allah-given right to diddle 9-year olds is threatened?
What, no flood of tears from Congressman Ellison? Has his emphatic soul dried up?
No protests from feminists all over the world at this insanity?
Deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole..........
Bangladesh: Islamic cleric threatens jihad if child marriage is banned
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Think about what this really means, stripped of its "religious" gloss:
"If you try to prevent us from raping children, we will murder you"
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He said, two hundred thousand Jihadists of his group are ready to 'sacrifice' lives if any such law, which goes against "Koran and Sunnah" will be passed by the current government in the country.
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What he really means is that are willing to sacrifice the lives of the "insufficiently Islamic".
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He says it:
Mufti Amini said, "Banning child marriage will cause challenging the marriage of the holy prophet of Islam, who also married minor Ayesha, when she was just eight years old".
He said, "The new law initiated by the current government will put the moral character of the prophet into controversy and challenge."
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Allah forbid! How could anyone consider calling the moral character of a caravan-raiding, scheming, genocidal rapist, slaver, and warlord into question? sarc/off
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It may be mentioned here that, current government in Bangladesh has taken several measures in ensuring better rights to the women thus treating child marriage as severe offense. It also recommends equal distribution of properties amongst male and female inherits.
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How "un-Islamic"! But it's good to see that pious Muslims of Bangladesh are getting right on that:
Several weeks back, Islamist clergy Mufti Fazlul Haque Amini and Moulana Rezaul Karim launched a movement of 'combating anti-Islam actions' by the government in Bangladesh.
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Mutfti [sic] Fazlul Haque Amini is branded as a 'political tout' in Bangladesh, who is virtually making millions by selling Jihadist notion amongst the people. He is under payroll of various Islamist groups including Pakistani intelligence agency ISI...
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Well, I'm sure this is true. However, I imagine the good "Mufti" is acting out of pious Muslim fanaticism as anything else.
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They also patronize various activities against these nations, as well as provide support and logistics to anti-Semitic forces in Bangladesh.
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"Anti-Semitic forces in Bangladesh"—does it matter that there are virtually no Jews in Bangladesh? Of course not—antisemitism is *always* "Islamic"...
Ban paedophilia! But that's immoral!! :))
One problem is the perfect mans marriage to a prepubescent nine year old girl. Even more binding and serious is the fact that the Qur'an allows pedophilia. Though there is no verse, which gives clear sanction to pedophilia, there are some verses, which clearly allows the practice.
The Quran has stipulated a waiting period for divorced women to get remarried. This waiting period is called Iddah as mentioned in the Quran. But there is an exception; Allah, the God of the Quran, prescribes no Iddah for a category of divorced women:
O ye who believe! If ye wed believing women and divorce them before ye have touched them, then there is no period that ye should reckon. But content them and release them handsomely. (33:49)
From this verses, it is understood that Iddah (stipulated waiting period) is tied to consummation of the marriage. If a woman is divorced by her husband before touching her, i.e. before having sex with her, she need not observe any waiting period to get remarried.
Clearly the reasons for Allah to stipulate Iddah is to avoid chances of pregnancy as a result of sexual relations between the married couple before their divorce.
In cases of divorces, where the husband had sex with the wife, the Quran specifies the Iddah, a waiting period of three months, in verse 65:4:
Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy.
Here, Iddah is prescribed to two categories of women. First it says: “Yaisna mina al-maheedhi”—that is, “those women who are desperate of menses”. This indicates women, who reached the stage of menstruation but do not menstruate. The other category are those, who have reached menopause. Desperate of menses points to women, who, though reached the age, fail to menstruate. Their Iddah period is three months. This is prescribed probably to take maximum precaution about her being pregnant. Next, there comes “Wallaee Lam yahidhna”—that is, “those who have not menstruated yet”; this group of women are prepubescent girls, who have not menstruated yet. Here, the Iddah prescribed for them is the same: three months.
Because of those texts in the Qur'an child marriage and pedophilia cannot be eradicated from Islam, because those are the eternal words of Allah which cannot be altered by man.
No body can reform these barbaric, pedophile monsters. They have to follow such criminal activity since it was done by their perfect man, Mo/allah. How dare the government insult the character of that rapist pedophile criminal who is their insan husna or whatever and who did it the six year child Aisha. When Mo/allah is their man to follow, one can see why Muslims have persisted in all criminal behaviors for last 1400 years - they even want to decriminalize it now in modern times. Muslim world is topsy turvy - they can't differentiate between good and evil. What is evil in normal human behavior is "good" in Islam and vice versa. Obviously,they can't live with human beings, they need their own separate planet far far away from this earth!!
Seems in islam, it's all about "Whaaaaaaa, we wanna play real house with little babies, 'cause they don't know no better---We're gonna hurt you all bad, real bad, if you don't let us play house with the babies!" says the big bad "cleric/thug/criminal/excuse monger/taqiyya brainwasher in chief"
Only following the "excellent example" (33:21) Muhammad (51)
who married the six-year-young child Aisha
http://newstime.co.nz/pedo-allah-allows-muslims-to-have-sex-with-pre-pubescent-girls.html
65:4 & Mufa’ Khathat (‘thighing’)
They follow worst of the worst human behavior, if you can call them human, and want all of us to become like them. Perhaps in the heart of their hearts they may know what is good and what is bad but the teachings of quran and the superstitious fear of after life in burning hell if they don't stick to teachings of Mo/allah prevents them from becoming a normal human being. we see he consequence in their behavior towards all of us!!
Anticipate a future in Europe, America and Australia when similar threats of violence occur because rational societies try to proscribe the barbarities of Sharia. Then, anticipate liberals and feminists being at the forefront of calls to accommodate.
Ah, one dirty little secret of Islam. If more Westerners new that Islam is the cult of pedophilia, we'd stop welcoming in such pestilence with open arms. Off topic, in Seattle, there is a pro Palestinian, anti Israel billboard. I don't have much info right now but check it out at the Blaze if interested.
Islam is like a spoiled brat who if he doesn't get his way, throws s tantrum.
It's amazing that in the 21st century, we still have people living in the 7th century...
Offtopic - you observed that - "Off topic, in Seattle, there is a pro Palestinian, anti Israel billboard."
Now, I'm not suggesting anything to Seattle jihadwatchers, but in Australia, years and years ago, there used to be a group called BUGA-UP who specialised in creative modification of offensive billboards (usually those advertising cigarettes, this being when the role of smoking in assorted health problems was becoming widely known).
Given what we know about the Poor Palestinians [TM] and the nature of the Jihad against Israel, I think there is definitely a case for either a. creative modification of said anti-Israel billboard or b. the placement, over against it, of some sort of counter-installation exposing the ugly reality of the Muslim Jihad against the Jews.
Canonical hadiths say Muhammad (in his fifties) consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was nine (lunar) years old.
A lunar year is about 355 days long, which means that Aisha may actually have been several months short of her ninth birthday.
Some examples from Bukhari, which is the most canonical hadith collection:
Had Aisha reached puberty at age 9? No, she had not, according to core Islamic texts
From Sahih Muslim, a canonical hadith collection:
Book 008, Number 3311:
In the next hadith, we learn that playing with dolls is only permitted for prepubescent children
From Sahih al-Bukhari, a canonical hadith collection:
Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151:
(The parenthetical statement is not mine -- it's in University of Southern California's Sahih al-Bukhari online, as you can see by clicking on the link above.)
And then of course there is the increasingly infamous Qur'an verse 65:4 that specifies a waiting period for prepubescent and post-menopausal females to remarry after being divorced. There is no waiting period if the marriage was not consummated (See Quran 33:49). Thus Qur'an 65:4 assumes consummation with prepubescent girls.
Islamic scholars' explanations of Qur'an 65:4 show that the verse assumes divorce and remarriage of prepubescent girls
Here is the explanation of Qur'an 65:4 from Ibn Abbas, who was one of the companions of Muhammad. Ibn Abbas affirms that the Qur'an refers to the waiting period for prepubescent girls to remarry after divorce.
Ibn Abbas on Qur'an 65:4
Some eight hundred years later appeared the Tafsir al-Jalalayn, one of the most widely used interpretations of the Qur'an. Tafsir al-Jalalayn also tells us that Qur'an 65:4 speaks of waiting period for divorce of prepubescent girls:
65:4, according to Wahidi's respected explanation of the Qur'an:
The bracketed text is not me, it's in the Wahidi at Altafsir.com
Ibn Kathir is perhaps the Muslim world's most respected Quran expositor.
Kathir says of 65:4 (if you click on the link, scroll to the bottom quarter of the page to find the quote)
(It's not a Sunnah, that is, not an example set by Muhammad, because Muhammad did not divorce Aisha. But neither is it an innovation -- in this context, something bad -- because it does not depart from what the Quran and Muhammad teach.)
Syed Abul Ala Maududi (died 1979), another famous Qur'an expositor, says of Qur’an 65:4:
So major Muslim expositors of the Qur'an agree that Qur'an 65:4 refers to the divorce and remarriage of prepubescent girls. And many Muslim translations of 65:4 make absolutely clear that this is the meaning. (See for example these translations: Al-Muntakahb, Abdel Haleem, Abdul Majid Daryabadi, Aisha Bewley, Ali Quli Qara'i, Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali, Muhammad Taqi Usmani.)
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Also, from Sahih al-Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection, see this hadith which refers to the waiting period for girls "before puberty"
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 63:
[The last lines are what the man knows of the Koran.]
Iddat is the waiting period before remarriage.
Hey, didn't you know that Aisha was his favorite wife?
Islam has a number of causes of open warfare, and this is not even near the top of the list. (It should be)
Child rape is OK with Muslims. Terry Jones is in gaol.
http://nodhimmitude.blogspot.com/
Something's just not right here.
Infallibility may turn out to be in our favor. Muhams are forced to live as degenerates and psychopaths to maintain Sharia compliance. In doing so they will forever expose themselves and their beliefs as humanitarian diseases to be jailed, deported, isolated, deprogrammed, etc.
Because these pedophilic laws are on the books or even suggested, the U.S. should withhold support to any governments that allows, promotes and/or prosecutes the barbarism and perversity of Muhammadism.
That's all well and fine. Terry Jones, back in the real world, was just hauled off to jail.
sonofwalker, if this story is any guide, Terry Jones will come out on top:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/04/new-jersey-transit-worker-fired-for-burning-pages-of-quran-gets-job-back-plus-pain-and-suffering-fee.html
Those who really know Islam should never give up on conveying to others the many facts which discredit it, not the least of which being that Islam's founder was a child molester. Muslims must unrelentingly be made to know that non-Muslims in increasing numbers are coming to the realization that Mohammed was a statutory rapist by any decent legal standard. This would, of course, exclude Sharia standards, indecent, draconian, heinous and stupid as they usually are.
Never give Islam a break. It surely doesn't deserve any. Ever.
"Those who really know Islam should never give up on conveying to others the many facts which discredit it, not the least of which being that Islam's founder was a child molester."
Oh, I do just that at every opportunity. I like to keep it succinct:
"No matter what the culture was at the time the fact remains that muhammad repeatedly stuck his adult-sized penis into Aisha's tiny child-sized vagina."
Call me crazy but I cannot and will not believe that a man who behaved in such a manner was a prophet of any god worthy of respect.
Muslims are following the example of the ideal man, The Fondling Father of Islam, Moe Sex-sack. Sexual licence is a huge part of Islam. As a matter of fact, Islam is licence to do almost anything.
I've been following this all as closely as I can. Thanks for the link, Traeh.
I feel so sorry for the girls and young women who have to go through this nightmare.
A slave-of-allah has to sunna (emulate) his "prophet," in all ways, including Murdering of Jews, Christians and non-al-kitabis.
Marisol wrote:
"Surely, Islamic apologists in the West will get right on the line to this guy and explain that, no, Muhammad's youngest wife, Aisha, was 16, 18, didn't know how old she was, was only "nine" in Galapagos tortoise-years, or whatever other excuse they might cook up."
This is what I find soooo interesting. I think we should look at the world globally and also "religion-wise". Because I think there's good reason to believe that Muslims look globally and religion-wise also. And not just nation-wise, like Muslim-defenders subconsciously do.
And so Muslim-defenders defend Muslim citizens in their nation, myopically. Holding forever onto innocence until proven guilty, no matter how much evidence of Muslim-unity and detrimental influence on Muslims from Islam's holy texts is shown.
And always assuming Muslims are very different from each other and much divided. So we hear all the time: "Do not tar all Muslims with the same brush". But then the Muslim-defender go on to assume that the vast majority of Muslims then must be considered totally without problematic anti-democratic attitudes and actions, so the Muslim-defenders "paint broadly with a white brush" and demand trust of all Muslims in their nation. But trust must be earned and deserved, not demanded. And Muslims do not earn and deserve it, what with all this textual and international evidence.
So now it would be most interesting if we could use what this impeccably Islamic mufti is saying against all those Muslims and Muslim-defenders, living in our Democratic nations.
Countless are the times when Muslims on the internet and on TV (like Tarek Fatah last year) argued how malicious Islam-opponents were in insulting the beliefs of Muslims, by insulting their prophet as a pedophile. They berated Islam-opponents and argued that Hadiths were unreliable, that Aisha was much older etc.
But against this Mufti they remain as quiet as a mouse. Being quiet against other Muslims with the same conviction as Islam-opponents about Aisha en Muhammad's age is almost ALL the "Moderate" Muslims can do to prove that they truly differ from those "radical' Muslims with the same opinion about Aisha's age as Islam-opponents.
And there are some who give as lame excuse that those "radicals" misunderstand or misuse Islam, that there are no real Islamic countries and that those radical Muslims ARE NOT Muslims. But no Muslims put other conditions on others using the name Muslim than the 5 pillars of Islam and believing in the Quran as Allah's immutable word. Indeed they forbid Muslims to stop using the name! So how can they call other Muslims NOT Muslims?
Heaven forbid that the Muslims should openly split and that some side with the Democratic world against Theocratic dinosaurs like this Mufti and all who in effect support him and all who practice child-marriage.
The evidence and pressure on so-called Moderate Muslims, those who deny Aisha's young age, is getting thicker and thicker. And I feel as though it is already proven that they are guilty by association. And having forfeited all trust from fellow citizens.
And therefore that they are criminally negligent with some responsible reasonable reaction. I think even the name Muslim is tainted beyond repair and some new name is needed for Muslims to exonerate themselves, a name with proper democratic conditions attached to its use.
And all that I will use whenever anyone in my neighborhood again speaks out against Geert Wilders, Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Terri Jones and other Islam-opponents.
The average muslim male has to be in favor of child rape, otherwise the weiners will end up in HIS mouth.
Me too Lokar. .seen several expamples here in London I'm sad to say, trapsing 3 steps behind their stern-faced owners and hemmed in by the older wives .Their eyes expressionless, robbed of the innocent wonder of childhood. Totally sickening.
. .the above was my reply to Lokar3791's 7.52pm comment.
Yes John indeed they are - but at least with a toddler tantrum the worst he/she will do is scream for a bit and throw the toys out of the pram, with these murderous, primitive bastards it's quite a different story.
More than any of the many disgusting features of Islam, it is the issue of child brides and sanctioned child rape that demonstrates the pathological sickness of this barbarism that masquerades as a religion. We must vigorously resist every attempt to normalize Islam.
"The marriage was consummated when she was nine years of age."
I'd say the Mighty Mohammad had a mighty small one.
Islamic democracy only permits the "will" of the people in line with Sharia enforcement of Islam. The global jihad is now starting to take on all governments for not submitting to Sharia. It shows how far along in global conquest the global jihad leaders (Muslim Brotherhood) believe they are already.
Geert Wilders was right when he said: This man is behaving like a PIG... just like his Prophet!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/06/pigs-of-arabia-les-cochons-de-larabie.html
These bangladeshis are the same bengalis who are raping muslim rohingya women, these Bengalis are just haters and troublemakers, nothing to do with muslims in other countries, since they treat rohingya muslims like crap since they are different.
"Four Bangladeshi youths gang rape Rohingya woman ."
http://www.bnionline.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2171&Itemid=6
"Two Rohingya Girls Gang Raped in Bangladesh"
"Two Rohingya refugee girls were gang raped by Bangladeshi local goons at Teknaf, a border town of Bangladesh, according to our correspondent. Up to date the Bangladesh police has failed to take any action"
http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2004/07/05/two-rohingya-girls-gang-raped-bangladesh
"Rohingya Girl raped in Bangladesh Refugee Camp"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJJr_Q58lYQ
"RRC demonstrates against Rohingya in Bangladesh.flv "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPgJ3hmGCWY&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
From the article:
...while in Iran, even forceful sexual relations with the married infant is (sic) allowed.
Is there such thing as non-forceful sexual relations with infants?
I think it is time to vote out and put on trial (for treason) the dhimmies in Britain and the USA who patronize these paedophiles.
Then Nuke the Muslim countries off the face of the earth. There is NO room for both Human Beings and Muslims on this beautiful planet.
Imagine!!! A pedophile religion!!! What a country!!!
"Horse" is here trying to use the example of vicious Muslims raping minority Muslim victims to—somehow—prove that Muslims are not prompted to rape, abuse, and oppress women by their vicious "religion".