Bloody pig’s foot sent to Rep. King, Hamas-linked CAIR blames “anti-Muslim bigot”

King himself, as far as Hamas-linked CAIR’s Honest Ibe Hooper is concerned, is a greasy Islamophobe, but when he is the object of threats or intimidation, it’s more evidence of “anti-Muslim bigotry.” Because Muslims are always the victims. Got it? “Bloody pig’s foot sent to Rep. Peter King,” by Brian Montopoli for CBS News, April 4 (thanks to all who sent this in):

Authorities intercepted a parcel this morning addressed to Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) containing a bloody pig’s foot and a derogatory message, a source has confirmed to CBS News….

Last month, King held hearings on radicalization in the Muslim-American community that critics suggested unfairly targeted Muslims, though it’s not known whether this incident is related to those hearings. Muslims are forbidden from eating pork products.

Ibrahim Hooper, National Communications Director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations – a target of King’s hearings – said he found the situation confusing. He said his organization regularly receives pig-themed hate messages, including letters smeared with bacon.

“My guess is it was an anti-Muslim bigot, and bigots not being brain surgeons they probably got their signals crossed,” he said.

UPDATE: A source on Capitol Hill told NBC News that the note “contained anti-Semitic ramblings” and referenced the radicalization hearings. King is Roman Catholic.

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  1. says

    Here we go

    The Manifesto of an Evil Totalitarian Political System
    A young woman in Colorado named Ann Barnhardt watched Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) holding forth on television yesterday about the necessity for rolling back the First Amendment in order not to anger Muslims. This did not sit well with her, and she made a two-part video for YouTube expressing her outrage, and vigorously affirming her right to patriotic dissent.

    She declares herself strongly at the beginning of the first video:

    Hello, my name is Ann Barnhardt, and I am apparently one of the very, very last people left in Western Civilization who possesses any quantity of brains and balls simultaneously.

    And it gets even better after that. The second video shows her tearing out pages ” bookmarked with strips of bacon ” from the Koran, and burning them one by one.

    http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/04/manifesto-of-evil-totalitarian.html#more

    Its good, its very good.

  2. says

    Here we go

    The Manifesto of an Evil Totalitarian Political System
    A young woman in Colorado named Ann Barnhardt watched Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) holding forth on television yesterday about the necessity for rolling back the First Amendment in order not to anger Muslims. This did not sit well with her, and she made a two-part video for YouTube expressing her outrage, and vigorously affirming her right to patriotic dissent.

    She declares herself strongly at the beginning of the first video:

    Hello, my name is Ann Barnhardt, and I am apparently one of the very, very last people left in Western Civilization who possesses any quantity of brains and balls simultaneously.

    And it gets even better after that. The second video shows her tearing out pages ” bookmarked with strips of bacon ” from the Koran, and burning them one by one.

    http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/04/manifesto-of-evil-totalitarian.html#more

    Its good, its very good.

  3. says

    In the wake of 9/11, and on the ONLY violent reaction I have ever heard of, some yahoo in the South somewhere attacked and killed (?) a Sikh, mistaking him for a Muslim.

    I have always wondered what would happen of a dumb anti-Semite (is the redundant??) attacked a Muslim, while screaming Jew-hating bile. In other words, if the attacker mistook the Muslim for a Jew.

    How would that be catagorized?? On the one hand, you have an attack on a Muslim. But on the other hand, it was supposed to have been against a Jew. So….”good” intentions, but “bad” result..

    That ought to get the cognitive dissonance into high gear…I guess we’d need a fatwa.

  4. says

    If I hear the word “bigotry” from a Mohammedan used against us one more time I’m going to scream.

    Which means that probably within the next ten minutes I’ll be letting loose with a scream.

    How we have put ourselves in this pathetic position with the barbarians’ calling the shots is simply beyond belief. A novel, a work of fiction, could be written about this situation. The only problem is – it’s real.

  5. says

    OK, this is why I’ve been yelling stop blaming Jones for the past couple of days. This is civil protest on behalf of our rights, not a “stunt”. The fearless Barnhardt rips Graham a new one with one of the finest statements of the issue I’ve yet to hear, destroying every one of his bogus “arguments” for censorship. She then burns specific violent, aggressive, murder-inciting passages, clearly stating the evil nature of their content and why she is doing so.

    And tops it off by giving our her home address. Did I mention that the girl is fearless?

    Let’s see what they do with this. Will the moooo-slum murder party organizers in Afghanistan grab hold of these videos as excuses for another rampage? And once they get a look at the content, will our home-grown dhimmis such as Graham (who if he follows Barnhardt’s advice may be too busy trying to fit something into a very tight place) be eager to line up for some of the same?

  6. says

    Peter King should cook it, and publicly eat it, with a nice glass of wine or beer, explaining how he quite enjoys pork, alcohol, since it is perfectly reasonable here in the US.

    He should thank the numnuts who sent it for the gift of a lovely meal. :)

    (Of course, i would get a fresh piece of meat, but pretend it was the sent one, since who knows what has been done to it).

  7. says

    “My guess is it was an anti-Muslim bigot, and bigots not being brain surgeons they probably got their signals crossed,” he said.

    Islam is the largest and longest running organization of bigots the world has ever seen…Islam is utterly intolerant of any contrary opinion, or resistance…There is no such thing as an anti-Mahoundian bigot, but there are a billion or so Islamic bigots…The bigotry of Islam is expressed best by gruesome violence…It’s motto is ‘Allah or die’…
    Every aggressive or violent verse in Quran is a call to bigotry…Attacking and killing other people for not being Islamic bigots, is Islams strongest display of bigotry…
    A jihadist is an Islamic bigot in heat…

  8. says

    Great idea geoffc.

    “Because muslims are always the victims. Got it”

    This is another prime example how there is no end and no limits on what a muslim will do, say, or think to skew the Facts.

    They attempt to somehow turn this around and use it as if CAIR itself had received the pigs foot,

    The Bigoted Arrogance of muslims is astounding.

    Is it obvious that a muslim sent the pigs foot to King? That indignant excuse is just too well rehearsed.

  9. says

    Mohammedans have no problem handling (or even eating) any part of pigs when it suits their needs. I remember the notorious Finsbury mosque (sorry, link not at hand) in London a couple of years ago, where a deposited pighead turned out to be deposited by Mohammedans trying once again to prove “I-slam-o-whaddaphobia”.

    Pigs don’t deter them in the least. They only matter, when Mohammedans can suckle honey out of their self declared “pigophobia” – e.g. get free people to accept mohammedan rules.

    This too obvious symbolism in combination with “antisemitic ramblings” is smelly like a bloody pig’s foot.

  10. says

    I am Ann Barnhardt!

    This is the best message I’ve seen in a l o n g time. This patriot didn’t come up for air. The Church Militant!!! Where are the leaders of Churches????

    Se’s brave, she’s smart, and SHE’S RIGHT.

  11. says

    The sense I get is that this is probably a Muslim supremacist who has slaughtered a pig in order to send a symbolic message to Rep. King, the connection being that those kuffar who would dare stand in the way of Muslim domination are the equivalent of “swine” per the literal reading of Qur’an sura 5 aya 60. That would certainly tie in with any Jew-hating rhetoric, which the threat-maker probably tied in suspicions about King being a Zionist agent and the hearings all being a ruse to protect Zionism, or some such bullshit. I hope the full text of the letter is published so we can know the context.

    And yes, cooking and eating a symbolic replica of the pig’s foot would be a great idea. Spit in the face of the thug’s intimidation.

  12. says

    This smacks of many other schemes concocted by muslims when they want us to have a Pity Party for them. In their egocentric world, they fabricate events that reflect their own, peculiar religious/cultural bias. They stage “hate” crimes that make no sense whatsoever to the rest of us. Acts that we would never think of doing, no matter how mad we are, simply because the props used (or even the action itself) have no cultural point-of-reference for us.

    I strongly suspect that this is exactly what has gone on here. Why would a non-muslim anonymously send a pork product to a US politician that is attempting to expose islam for what it is (unless they are acting as a muslim shill)? We’d be much more likely to have a good, old-fashioned, pig roast as a campaign fundraiser for the man and invite him to come and speak at the event!

  13. says

    I wonder, and will find out, why Ibrahim Hooper’s name just pops up in the middle of the article. Did Brian Montopoli contact him for comment? I assume so, since his quote is off the cuff, as if he didn’t expect to have to prepare a statement.

    Does he somehow assume it has something to do with Islam?

    Why would he think that?

  14. says

    You must give credit to ibrahim for he is speaking from a position of authority when he utilises the term “bigotry”, after all, he is an expert on the koran, a book not surpassed by any other in it’s capacity to instill bigotry , stupidity and hate. Something surpassing Hitler’s mein kampf.

    CAIR is an instrument of propaganda for a foreign interst at odds with our American Constitution and at war with America. Islam is costing way too much treasure , freedom and lives.

    islam is at war with humanity, I’m at war with isalm.

  15. says

    Ha ha ha. “When I were a lad” pig’s trotters were a delicacy – not that I liked them, or tripe and onions come to that.

    Firstly the Jews rejected pork and then Mohammed, thief as he always was, stole the idea and probably to seduce the Jews.
    At both times in history it was probably wise to avoid pork not intended for immediate consumption. Uncooked pork does tend to deteriorate rather quickly even when refrigerated.
    They didn’t have fridges in 632 or even 2000 years earlier.

    The Jews and, by theft, then the Muslims claimed that pork and pigs were “dirty”.
    Actually in a natural state pigs are not dirty and actually quite intelligent. It may well be true, as it is today, that porcine meat which is badly stored or cooked could become lethal so the original objection may well have been wise. With modern hygiene and appliances it is no longer so and deprives 1 billion+ of a tasty and nutricious food.
    Pigs dirty? Only with human husbandry.

  16. says

    And I’m guessing all Dick Durbin got in the mail was a big check from the House of Saud in appreciation for his loyalty to Islam. Thanks Senator Durbin, you lowlife moron.

  17. says

    “Lindsey Graham, you jackass, I’ll be your huckleberry”
    Watch it now. It won’t stay up long.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qeyrp-V3Jvc&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LCLDjPNpf4&feature=related

    Magnificant! Ann is another Grand, Brave, Right and Just, Patriot of God, Freedom, and America! Truth Stands Tall, and is Woman!

    Will Gladstone – Prime Minister of Great Britain:
    “Qur’an… an accursed book… So long as there is this book there will be no peace in the world.”

    Remove all the evil presented and preserved in the koran, from the world, for all time, and let the Truth of Freedom, Love and Respect, replace it!

  18. says

    A lot of smart people on this board, have already made the comments I was going to make. Probably right on in the suspicion that an Islamic supremacist butchered a pig (or somehow obtained a pig’s foot) and sent it to Rep. King, whom he assumes is Jewish because as you know, criticism of Islam automatically brands you some kind of “zionist” according to the Mohammedan mind, which is deranged due to Islam, the mental disease of mankind.

    Here’s my two cents: what if a black Islamic supremacist, possibly a prison convert, obtained the pig’s foot? Prior to converting, he would have had no reason to avoid touching pigs. After converting, he probably considers it taboo only to eat pigs as his Moon God tells him (but of course, nothing would prohibit him from handling pigs if it meant fighting back against the ‘evil’ infidels as commanded by the tenets of jihad).

    As someone above mentioned, these acts make no sense to the westerner. Why the hell would a westerner sever a pig’s foot and send it to someone for being critical of Islam? Especially when CAIR is quick to play the victim-mongering grievance card and claim that they get lots of “hate mail” smeared with bacon bits, I suspect rather it is more likely that the HAMAS front group (CAIR) enlisted a Muslim, probably a black convert willingly to handle pork in jihad against the infidels, to try to create or stage a fake hate crime so they could score one for their Islamist agenda.

    As Robert has said before, victim-mongrels and grievance-baiters such as CAIR need and want hate crimes to occur so they can trumpet their Islamist agenda, outlaw free speech (or anything they deem “hate speech,” such as speech critical of Islam and the Islamist agenda) on the notion that speech in opposition of Islam creates hate crimes against Muslims, all that hocus. It is never above leftist/Islamist groups to try to create fake hate crimes to score for their agenda and try to make the “evil” conservative look bad.

    Unfortunately for leftists and Islamists, most people are too smart to fall for their tricks, we can see through their B.S., however thick the walls of s*** are.

  19. says

    ” There is going to be a war. A big one. Probably the biggest ever. But it has to be fought, because the stakes are no less than the fate of the entire human race. The problem is islam. There is no such thing as a “healthy muslim society” because islam is a cancer upon human civilization. The solution is nothing less than the complete extermination of the muslim political system in order to save the people inside of it. If you have a cancerous tumor, you cut it out – you don’t try to fix the person while simultaneously protecting the tumor. We have done this before. We did this just seventy short years ago. We CAN do it again. All we need is the courage to face the truth, and the fortitude to do what we know we must.”-Ann Barnhardt

    From “The Problem is Islam”
    http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2011/03/problem-is-islam.html

  20. says

    In core Islamic texts, Muhammad says your “lives and property” are not safe from him unless you become a Muslim

    In Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, the two most canonical hadith collections:

    Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:

    Narrated Ibn ‘Umar:

    Allah’s Apostle said: “I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform all that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah.”

    Sahih Muslim, Book 031, Number 5917:

    …Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: Allah’s Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people? Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger, and when they do that then their blood and their riches are inviolable from your hands but what is justified by law and their reckoning is with Allah.

  21. says

    Again I am withholding judgment on this one until the actual text of the threats comes out.

    I encourage all of you, if you have the stomach for it, check out the white supremacist, aryan brotherhood and kkk sites.

    They are allying themselves with and defending the infiltration of kuranimals into our countries because of their MUTUAL Jew-hatred.

    Only from the text will we be able to ascertain if the threats came from a kuranimal or white supremacist. Both groups of vile creatures have their own style of death threats and Jew bashing. I know, I’ve been on the receiving end from both groups many times.

  22. says

    On page 222 (326 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, he affirms that those who do not follow him will be slaughtered.

    Abu jahl said to them: “Muhammad alleges that if you follow him you will be kings of the Arabs and the Persians. Then after death you will be raised to gardens like those of the Jordan. But if you do not follow him you will be slaughtered, and when you are raised from the dead you will be burned in the fire of hell.” The apostle [Muhammad] came out to them with a handful of dust saying: “I do say that.”

  23. says

    I’ve been sitting here trying to listen to Ann Barnhardt’s video while sewing a quilt for the Japanese earthquake/tsunami survivors. (I have a very slow internet connection.) So far, she seems pretty much dead on, though I’m only about halfway through the first video and haven’t gotten to the parts that some other forum members have objected to.

    Perhaps Ms. Barnhardt takes Senator Graham a bit too seriously. After all, during the prelude to The War of Northern Aggression, South Carolina was described as being “too small for a republic and too large for an insane asylum”. She may not be aware of the regional differences in how Americans treat our crazy….er….eccentric kin and neighbors. Yankees hide them & lock ’em up somewhere else like they are something to be ashamed of. Southerners like to keep them at home with the family, care for them tenderly and occasionally parade them proudly around in public so that the community at large doesn’t forget about them altogether. When one of them wanders off, we expend great effort in getting the person safely restored to their bereft family and friends. I suspect that Mr. Graham simply wandered off from those who love him and wound up in a television studio where some unscrupulous, carpet-bagging, Yankee reporter took unfair advantage of him and has subjected him to the ridicule of the nation and the world.

    Or to view it from another perspective, I bet that when most South Carolinians heard that interview they simply faced Washington DC or Central SC (Graham’s birthplace) and either displayed an upright middle finger or made the “talk to the hand” gesture.

  24. says

    On page 369 (554 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, Muhammad says “kill any Jew who falls into your power”:

    It’s a “beautiful” story of two brothers, Muhayyissa and Huwayyisa: (To avoid confusing the two brothers, keep in mind that the brother whose name begins with M is the Murderer in the story.)

    “The apostle [Muhammad] said, “Kill any Jew that falls into your power.‘ Thereupon Muhayyisa bin Masud leapt upon Ibn Sunayna, a Jewish merchant with whom they had social and business relations, and killed him. Huwayisa was not a Muslim at the time though he was the elder brother. When Muhayyisa killed [the Jewish merchant] Huwayyisa began to beat [his brother Muhayyisa], saying, ‘You enemy of God, did you kill him when much of the fat on your belly comes from his wealth?’ Muhayyisa answered, ‘Had the one who ordered me to kill him ordered me to kill you I would have cut your head off.’…[Huwayyisa] replied, ‘By God, if Muhammad had ordered you to kill me would you have killed me?’ [Muhayissa] said, ‘Yes, by God, had he ordered me to cut off your head I would have done so.’ [Huwayyisa] exclaimed, “By God, a religion which can bring you to this is marvellous!’ and [Huwayyisa] became a Muslim.”

  25. says

    CAIR thinks it was a anti-islam bigot that sent the pig’s foot.

    I think that it was a muslim that was offended by King’s hearings on Capitol Hill.

    Perhaps we’re both right. Maybe it was a muslim that hates himself. Is this the true cause of jihad? Low self esteem?

    :)

  26. says

    I don’t understand what is all the fuss about.

    I am not particularly in favour of burning Korans, though some better uses would come to mind if they they were printed on lighter and more absorbent paper.

    I shall gladly discuss the merits of the Old Testament, New Testament and the Koran and the inherent contradictions therein with anyone over a nice dinner of Eisbein (as long as it is not in a remote place in the Arabian Desert, devoid of refrigerators), Mash Potatoes and Sauer Kraut washed down either with a nice dry wine, or some beer (as long as it is not Baadwasser).

    Hindus, Jews, Christians, Moslems Atheists and Physicists invited.

    The only eternal life that can be be properly scientifically demonstrated and explained is based on E=MC squared, which sums both the good news and the bad news for the religionists and atheists alike.

    Though Gen. Patreus does get me annoyed and agitated to the point of losing control over my bladder, when he refers to the Book of Deliberate Falshoods as the Holy Koran and condemns the burning thereof, but does not dignify the Bible as Holy, and does not condemn unequivocally the church, ashram, synagogue and Sufi mosque bombers or the the murderers of Hindus, Christians, Jews and Sufi and Ahmadi Moslems by Wahabi Sunny and Shite Moslems.

  27. says

    “It’ll be a cold day in hell when I bow down for this crap…”

    From one Coloradoan to another: Bless your heart, Annie. And watch your “six,” girl!

    “Evil, evil garbage. Next up…”

  28. says

    I’m watching Barnhardt right now, pumping my fists in the air. I’m pissed I can’t comment and hit the thumbs-up button on YouTube.

    They’ve already disabled comments. That didn’t take them long.

  29. says

    Quite an interesting thread—many convincingly pointing to a Muslim as the “pig-foot sender,” didn’t know who Ann Barnhardt was but I do now (she’s definitely got the right message but she’s not the right messenger; a smooth, very likeable, politically shrewd person who has Barnhardt’s knowledge and convictions is necessary; a Ronald Reagan kind of person would be ideal), Ole Hartling and gravenimage engaging in an exchange of ideas about how Islam has viewed homosexuality, Istanbul_Chick proffering the interesting suggestion that a very far-right loon might be responsible, Annie Oakely inspiringly still fighting the Civil War with her comment about it as the War of Northern Aggression and tanstaafl’s apt reply (I have always honored the South, Annie, but I must tell you I’m still glad the North won because the twentieth century without a united United States would have been an even darker century than it was; in short the genius and influence of Abraham Lincoln still affects all the world). And on and on. All part of the reason why I love Jihad Watch. Thank you again, Robert Spencer.

  30. says

    (OT)

    Could someone link an article detailing why Islam is immutable in contrast to Christianities potential for change? TIA.

  31. says

    It’s amazing the extent that the media will go to make muslims into victims. On my local radio station they felt it was noteworthy to tell us during a news break, in Wisconsin, of a New York middle school girl who was arrested and charged with assault with a hate crime multiplier for bullying another muslim classmate.

    Really? That affects me how?

  32. says

    In core Islamic texts, Muhammad says the minds of women are deficient

    In Sahih al-Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection:

    Volume 3, Book 48, Number 826:

    Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

    The Prophet said, “Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?” The women said, “Yes.” He said, “This is because of the deficiency of a woman’s mind.”

  33. says

    traeh,

    Thank you for responding!

    Your response, though, is not what I’m looking for.

    I have read here (but have never saved and filed the information) that Islam is immutable while Christianity is not, i.e., Christianity is interpretable and also subject o change? At least that was my understanding of the material.

    I’d love to find more information on this issue for my files.

    Again, traeh, thanks for responding and for all of your brilliant comments!

  34. says

    Simplifying my previous comment…I’ve read that Islam is different than Christianity in that Islam cannot experience a reformation while still being Islam (if that makes any sense!).

    Any articles on this topic would be greatly appreciated. TIA.

  35. says

    Here are some ancient Chinese wisdom :
    The transliteration for the word Islam= Alrady dead and rotten, and the word Muslim==A forest in which all trees
    are dead.

  36. says

    Traeh,

    As I suspected the intent of your comment went straight over my head! You are, of course, correct.

    That said, if it went over a simpleton’s head like mine then you can just imagine how it will be lost on most of the inbreds.

    I will file your comment and keep my eyes open for one geared more towards simpletons!

    Thanks again.

  37. says

    Just coming across the wires…the culprit was an angry black Islamist. The contents of the letter sent show the typical Islamic hatred…Kudos to those who suspected it…

  38. says

    It’s all our fault, never theirs. We can never criticise them because that is islamaphobic. They can criticise and abuse us all they like because they cannot be anglophobes or whatever nationality or religion we are.

    I really am sick to death of this appeasement of moslems.

    I also hate cruelty to animals so I hope that pig was humanely slaughtered by being stunned first and not barbarously allowed to bleed to death fully conscious. Now that really would be wicked.

  39. says

    She is a great woman and a greater American. she is not justb talking like most of us do but also excerising her freedom of speech. We need to have a national burn a koran day more than ever. Let the muslim world go on a mass apoploxy.

  40. says

    That is by far the BEST YouTube video I have ever seen. It should be shown in the House of Representatives. I hope the muzzies see it, too. And I’m sure if any of them take her up on her offer to visit her, she will invoke her 2nd amendment right to bear arms and blow them a new a**hole!

    Ima

  41. says

    Thanks for the link to the magnificent video with a very courageous American woman, who just had enough of the prevailing Dhimmi attitude towards Islam and Muslims.

    If nobody will fight for the Western principles of democracy and justice our civilization will die with a wimp, and Islam will take over.

    The Qur’an should not be burned if we believe in free speech, but its evil contents made widely known. At least before it is burned. 😉

    The only flaw I found was her rantings against homosexuals and the claim that the Qur’an demonstrated an unacceptable tolerant attitude towards homosexuality.

    In this matter we should apply Ibn Warraq’s very useful distinction between Islam One, Two, and Three. Islam One is what’s in the Koran, what the Prophet Mohammed did and enjoyed. Islam Two is the sharia and the theological construct that we call Islam, as developed by the theologians over the centuries. Islam Three is Islamic civilization, which is what Muslims actually did do as opposed to what they should have done, what actually happened in Islamic history.

    Often Islam Three – that is, Islamic civilization – was far more tolerant than what Islam One and Two demanded. For example, until very recently, Islamic society (Islam Three) was far more tolerant about homosexuality than the West was, whereas Islam One and Islam Two more firmly condemned it. There are several ambiguous passages in the Koran, but certainly Islam Two, the sharia, condemns homosexuality.

  42. says

    Ann Barnhardt is amazing. That is the sort of thing I would love to have done. Perhaps we need many ways of getting the message out there.

  43. says

    King himself is, as far as Hamas-linked CAIR’s Honest Ibe Hooper is concerned, a greasy Islamophobe himself, but when he is the object of threats or intimidation, it’s more evidence of “anti-Muslim bigotry.” Because Muslims are always the victims. Got it?
    …………………….

    Insanity. Yes, Muslims are *always* the victims, even when the victim here was almost certainly targeted because he”albeit in a rather watery manner”has stood up *against* Muslim violence.

    Funky Child wrote:

    The sense I get is that this is probably a Muslim supremacist who has slaughtered a pig in order to send a symbolic message to Rep. King, the connection being that those kuffar who would dare stand in the way of Muslim domination are the equivalent of “swine” per the literal reading of Qur’an sura 5 aya 60. That would certainly tie in with any Jew-hating rhetoric, which the threat-maker probably tied in suspicions about King being a Zionist agent and the hearings all being a ruse to protect Zionism, or some such bullshit. I hope the full text of the letter is published so we can know the context.
    …………………….

    Good analysis, Funky Child. I doubt that this creep slaughtered the pig himself, but the threat is quite clear.

    As for considering Rep. King a “Zionist agent”, I think that is quite likely. The fact that he is actually Catholic would make no difference”this kind of conflation is quite common with Muslim supremacists.

    They consider pretty much anyone who stands against their agenda to be a “Zionist agent”, and probably “secretly Jewish”.

    Robert Spencer himself is either mistaken for being Jewish or branded a “closet Jew” on a regular basis.

  44. says

    Funky Child

    you wrote ” The sense I get is that this is probably a Muslim supremacist who has slaughtered a pig in order to send a symbolic message to Rep. King, the connection being that those kuffar who would dare stand in the way of Muslim domination are the equivalent of “swine” per the literal reading of Qur’an sura 5 aya 60.
    That would certainly tie in with any Jew-hating rhetoric”.

    The same thought had occurred to me.

    It strikes me as a threat – ‘you (infidel pig) will be slaughtered as this pig was slaughtered, and you will be dismembered as it was dismembered’.

  45. says

    Ole Hartling wrote:

    Often Islam Three – that is, Islamic civilization – was far more tolerant than what Islam One and Two demanded. For example, until very recently, Islamic society (Islam Three) was far more tolerant about homosexuality than the West was, whereas Islam One and Islam Two more firmly condemned it. There are several ambiguous passages in the Koran, but certainly Islam Two, the sharia, condemns homosexuality.
    …………………………..

    A lot of people seem confused about Islam’s attitude to homosexuality.

    Ultimately, I don’t believe that cultural Islam is “tolerant” of homosexuality, nor that it is at odds with Islamic texts or Shari’ah law.

    If you look at the situation in the Muslim world, homosexuality is only “tolerated” under certain circumstances. If it involves same-sex rape or the abuse of “pearly boys”, it is Halal.

    What is *not* Halal is when a homosexual relationship is consensual and between equals. Anything from an affable one-night stand to a life-long commitment is regarded with horror and disgust.

    During the protests in Iran in 2009, Ahmadinejad’s own “spiritual guide”, Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi Mesbah-Yazdi, issued a Fatwa condoning prison rape as a form of torture, with the stipulation that the rapist must stop *if he thought the victim was enjoying it*.

    “Ahmadinejad’s Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners”

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133214

    One aspect of these permitted rapes troubled certain questioners. He was asked: “Is the rape of men and young boys considered sodomy?”

    Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi: “No, because it is not consensual. Of course, if the prisoner is aroused and enjoys the rape, then caution must be taken not to repeat the rape.”

  46. says

    As far as I understood it, she was not ranting about homosexuals, but about homosexual (and heterosexual) sex with young boys (and girls). She was talking about their age, not their gender.

  47. says

    “A lot of people seem confused about Islam’s attitude to homosexuality.
    Ultimately, I don’t believe that cultural Islam is “tolerant” of homosexuality, nor that it is at odds with Islamic texts or Shari’ah law.”

    Looking at the whole history of Islamic civilization *until very recently* I think Ibn Warraq is right in his claim, that Islamic societies were far more tolerant about homosexuality than the Christian West was.

    The Koran is indeed ambiguous about homosexuality, and so are some hadiths. A hadith ascribed to Muhammad declared male lovers who die chaste to be martyrs: “He who loves and remains chaste and conceals his secret and dies, dies a martyr.” So the attitude was ‘see no evil hear no evil’, similar the ‘don’t ask, don’t tell,’ used in the U.S. military to avoid discrimination because of sexual orientation.

    The Koranic ambiguity about homosexuality is somewhat reflected in the Sunni schools of jurisprudence:

    The Hanafi school does not consider same-sex intercourse to constitute adultery, and therefore leaves punishment up to the judge’s discretion. Most early scholars of this school specifically ruled out the death penalty, others allow it for a second offence.

    Imam Shafi’i considers same-sex intercourse as analogous to other zina; thus, a married person found to have done so is punished as an adulterer (by stoning to death), and an unmarried one, as a fornicator, is left to be flogged.

    The Maliki school says that anyone (married or unmarried) found to have committed same-sex intercourse should be punished as an adulterer.

    Within the Ja’fari schools, Sayyid al-Khoi says that anyone (married or unmarried) found to have committed same-sex intercourse should be punished as an adulterer.

    But most significant is the high degree of prof demanded by Sharia law: The punishment for adultery requires four witnesses; by analogy, all schools, require four witnesses to the physical act of penetration for the punishment to be applied.

    The traditional punishment for same sex-intercourse (sodomy) in Christianity was burning at the stake and factual prof was not required. The U.S. history of punishment for sodomy is rather illustrative and supportive of the claim of much less tolerance in Christianity/the West:

    “In 1778 Thomas Jefferson wrote a law in Virginia which contained a punishment of castration for men who engage in sodomy, however, what was intended by Jefferson as a liberalization of the sodomy laws in Virginia at that time was rejected by the Virginia Legislature, which continued to prescribe death as the maximum penalty for the crime of sodomy in that state.

    Prior to 1962, sodomy was a felony in every state, punished by a lengthy term ofimprisonment and/or hard labor. In that year, the Model Penal Code (MPC) – developed by the American Law Institute to promote uniformity among the states as they modernized their statutes – struck a compromise that removed consensual sodomy from its criminal code while making it a crime to solicit for sodomy.

    In 1962 Illinois adopted the recommendations of the Model Penal Code and thus became the first state to remove criminal penalties for consensual sodomy from its criminal code, almost a decade before another state  Over the years, many of the states that did not repeal their sodomy laws had enacted legislation reducing the penalty.

    At the time of the Lawrence decision in 2003, the penalty for violating a sodomy law varied very widely from jurisdiction to jurisdiction among those states retaining their sodomy laws. The harshest penalties were in Idaho, where a person convicted of sodomy could earn a life sentence. Michigan followed, with a maximum penalty of 15 years imprisonment while repeat offenders got life. This was later invalidated in the case of Michigan Organization for Human Rights v. Kelly (1987).

    By 2002, 36 states had repealed their sodomy laws or their courts had overturned them. Around the time of the 2003 Supreme Court decision, the laws in most states were no longer enforced or were enforced very selectively. The continued existence of these rarely enforced laws on the statute books, however, was often cited as justification for discrimination against gay men and lesbians.

    On June 26, 2003, the U.S. Supreme Court in a 6-3 decision in Lawrence v. Texas struck down the Texas same-sex sodomy law, ruling that this private sexual conduct is protected by the liberty rights implicit in the due process clause of the United States Constitution. This decision invalidated all state sodomy laws insofar as they applied to noncommercial conduct in private between consenting civilians and overruled an 1986 ruling in Bowers v. Hardwick which upheld Georgia’s sodomy law.

    Before that 2003 ruling, 27 states, the District of Columbia and 4 territories had repealed their sodomy laws by legislative action, 9 states had had them overturned or invalidated by state court action, 4 states still had same-sex laws, and 10 states,Puerto Rico and the U.S. military had laws applying to all regardless of gender. In 2005 Puerto Rico repealed the sodomy law and in 2006 Missouri legislatures decided to repeal the anti-homosexual “conduct” laws. Three states have yet to repeal anti-homosexual “conduct” laws: Oklahoma, Kansas and Texas.

    (Quoted from Wikipedia article: “Sodomy laws in the United States”).

  48. says

    OK, this is about the most bizarre thing I read in a very long time. I’m actually shocked. I thought I was beyond shocked by now. The murders, the nine years olds, the jizya, the instructions on how to deal with animals after you sexually abused them. I thought nothing could surprise me anymore. I was wrong.

    I’ll add the following quotes:

    “The necessary precaution is for the interrogator to perform a ritual washing first and say prayers while raping the prisoner. If the prisoner is female, it is permissible to rape through the vagina or anus. It is better not to have a witness present. If it is a male prisoner, then it’s acceptable for someone else to watch while the rape is committed.”

    Don’t forget to say your prayers while raping the prisoner… Isn’t that just about the oddest thing you’ve ever heard?

    “If the judgment for the [female] prisoner is execution, then rape before execution brings the interrogator a spiritual reward equivalent to making the mandated Haj pilgrimage [to Mecca], but if there is no execution decreed, then the reward would be equivalent to making a pilgrimage to [the Shi’ite holy city of] Karbala.”

    “The child borne to any weakling [a denigrating term for women – ed.] who is against the Supreme Leader is considered illegitimate, be it a result of rape by her interrogator or through intercourse with her husband, according to the written word in the Koran. However, if the child is raised by the jailer, then the child is considered a legitimate Shi’a Muslim.”

  49. says

    “As far as I understood it, she was not ranting about homosexuals, but about homosexual (and heterosexual) sex with young boys (and girls). She was talking about their age, not their gender.”

    It is true, that she was mostly condemning pedophilia and referring to and burning the ambiguous verses about the services provided by young boys in the Muslim Paradise: 52,24; 56,17 and 76,19. It is not clear from the text if the boys are for sexual pleasures or just to serve wine etc.

    However, sura 4, vers 16 (and other verses) demands punishment of homosexuals: “If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, leave them alone; for God is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.”

    She did not differentiate clearly between homosexuality and pedophilia, and that was a mistake:

    “I will be writing an essay on homosexuality and homosexual pedophilia and heterosexual pedophilia within Islam very very shortly. Because it is a cultural norm. … Most males in Islamic cultures are homosexuals slash homosexual pedophiles.”

    (From part two of the wideo at about 9:50 and further).

    I wonder if the part of the essay regarding homosexuals in Islam will be a condemnation of persecution and death penalty used against this sexual minority in some Islamic countries, most notoriously Iran, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Yemen. In Nigeria and Somalia the death penalty is issued in some regions. We will see very very shortly! 😉

  50. says

    I know, Medina. I’ve been watching her over and over throughout the day. I used it as motivation during a ball- busting PT session today.

    I suggest forming a Corp of Counter-Jihadists that are mobile, whose only purpose is to set up security and protect patriots like this.

    I don’t know what it would be called, but I’m sure our mates here at JW could come up with an appropriate name handily.

    We need to find some ways to start raising money to get equipment, so we can start fielding teams to make sure fine Americans like this have the protection they deserve.

  51. says

    Arafat, you are very kind to me and my comments.

    If you say you were looking for something other than the Boorstin passage, then you were. But I believe the passage from Boorstin does answer your specific question as you stated it. Consider, Arafat. Isn’t creativity essential to a capacity for reform and change? If Islamic texts treat human creativity as blasphemy, whereas the Bible in key passages encourages human creativity, then won’t Islam naturally have much larger obstacles to reform? So Boorstin’s passage does respond, I think, to your specific question…

  52. says

    Doom and Gloom wrote:

    OK, this is about the most bizarre thing I read in a very long time. I’m actually shocked. I thought I was beyond shocked by now. The murders, the nine years olds, the jizya, the instructions on how to deal with animals after you sexually abused them. I thought nothing could surprise me anymore. I was wrong.
    ……………………………..

    I know”and this is a high-ranking cleric, Ahmadinejad’s personal Imam. This can’t be considered some crank.

    More:

    Don’t forget to say your prayers while raping the prisoner… Isn’t that just about the oddest thing you’ve ever heard?
    ……………………………..

    It’s *horrifying* to see what he considers worthy of prayer–as though you can sanctify an act of *evil* by praying during it.

    More:

    “If the judgment for the [female] prisoner is execution, then rape before execution brings the interrogator a spiritual reward equivalent to making the mandated Haj pilgrimage [to Mecca], but if there is no execution decreed, then the reward would be equivalent to making a pilgrimage to [the Shi’ite holy city of] Karbala.”
    ……………………………..

    It is not just that he considers *raping a prisoner* to be “spiritually” equal to performing a pilgrimage or even the Haj”it is *why* he considers the rape so “praiseworthy”.

    Muslims believe that virgins who die go to heaven”it seems one of the few ways a Muslimah can be assured of a spot in “Jannah” is to die very young.

    So if a virgin Muslimah is sentenced to death, then their jailers *rape them so they can’t go to heaven after their execution*.

    Let the pure evil of that sink in. These girls are raped so that they *will go to hell*.

    This also shows the insane worldview of Islam, where a person’s morality can be judged by something that was *done to them*”where the victim goes to hell, and the rapist gets a spiritual reward.

    This represents the very inverse of any morality.

    And I agree with you”it *is* shocking, even now.