Giving new meaning to "methinks they doth protest too much." Who is raising their hackles this time? Nonie Darwish, who as this report explains, has characterized Islam as "cruel, anti-women, anti-religious freedom and anti-personal freedom in general."
They don't seem to realize -- or they are gambling that others won't realize -- that their paranoia makes them look like they have something to hide. And the urgency with which they move to suppress dissent and criticism about Islam makes their faith look weak, as though it cannot stand on its own in the free market of ideas.
"CAIR Comes Out Against Ball's 9/11 Hearing," by David Freedlander for The Observer, April 6 (thanks to Weasel Zippers):
The Council on American-Islamic Relations has announced that they are planning a protest tomorrow in advance of State Senator Greg Ball's hearing on "New York's Public Protection Ten Years After September 11."
The hearing has attracted some controversy due to the presence of Nonie Darwish, a human rights activist and writer who has said that Islam is "cruel, anti-women, anti-religious freedom and anti-personal freedom in general" and for including as a topic "The Culture of Jihad and Shariah Law."
The planned rally will be on the steps of City Hall.
CAIR came out strongly against Rep. Peter King's congressional hearings on Muslim radicalization, but King brushed aside their attacks by frequently calling them an "unindicted co-conspirators" in a terrorist attack.
They and the ISNA were named as unindicted co-conspirators in a criminal case involving fundraising for Hamas.
Bea-u-ti-ful! Keep it coming Ibby. And when I read this I thought it was so appropos:
"CAIR Comes Out Against Ball's..."
Ibby and Nihad don't like it when we stand up to them and tell everybody what they are up to. Having no balls of their own a video like that of the lovely Ann Barnhardt where she tells them to come and get her and gives her address (talk about balls) AND another hearing on how to counteract the problems with Islam must be making them wet themselves.
Don't worry guys...Allah is all Merciful, all Knowing...
You know, it's entirely possible, probable actually, that more and more are noticing that CAIR and Muslims generally really don't like the idea of non-Muslims looking into their religion. Their "just take our word on it" excuse has actually become worn out because the rhetoric we're fed no way matches what we're seeing with our own eyes. No, we're no longer going to be taking your word on things Islamic, and we're going to be doing our own investigations.
Muslims of course are worried about this turn of events because, well, they do have lots of things to hide.
...as though it cannot stand on its own in the free market of ideas.
Stand on its own in the free market of ideas? Seriously? There's no doubt whatsoever that it can't which is why muslims (represented by cair?) can only attempt to intimidate and squelch any debate whatsoever as it relates to islam. So now we can't even discuss 911 and the associated security failures that led to it? Seriously? Why would cair be concerned if they thought it was an act of our gov't anyway? Is 911 theirs too now and off limit to debate? WTF is wrong with anyone who can't seem to seem to grasp what islam represents...I came to this site today knowing I would be bored by the same old stories that have been around for, well, way to friggin long. I'm really getting tired of it all and wish people would wake up from the nightmare that is islam.
Yes, that's true. If things were still good, everybody had their houses and their jobs, gas was closer to $2 a gallon instead of $4 and we didn't have Obama rubbing our noses in it everyday then people would probably still be asleep and not paying much attention. But now with everyone's discomfort, all the hearings coming up, the attempts to blow things up and CAIR's incessant whining, folks are taking notice and they're getting a little sick and tired of it.
Beautiful.
CAIR to protest NY state senator's hearings on post-9/11 security
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God, I'm sick of this. Why the hell isn't CAIR out protesting their savage coreligionists' rioting, murdering, and beheading innocent people over the burning of a paperback?
(This last is, of course, a rhetorical question)
I knew of an internet chatter from Australia who was very loud and flamboyant about Islam...He got into an argument with a Mahoundian who lived near him, so he gave his address and invited the Mahoundian over for beer and wrestling...The police showed up instead and arrested him...They charged him with conspiracy to commit a crime...I don't know how it worked out...
From article...They don't seem to realize -- or they are gambling that others won't realize -- that their paranoia makes them look like they have something to hide.
CAIR became transparent a long time ago...Why it is allowed to keep it's tax exemption is beyond me...What ever happened to CAIRAN?
OT
The British Prime Minister, David Cameron announced that over the next four years, British aid for education in Pakistan could reach £650 million.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8430980/Britain-triples-aid-for-Pakistans-schools.html
According to this Unesco report in March, 2011, Pakistan spends "over seven times as much on arms as on primary schools"
http://www.dawn.com/2011/03/02/pakistan-spends-7-times-more-on-arms-than-on-schools.html
Now, Pakistan has announced an 18% increase in the defence budget! More than Rs.500 billion (US$5.8 billion source xe.com) for 2011-2012.
http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/07/eighteen-per-cent-increase-in-defence-budget-announced.html
To all the British readers, please write to your local MP to complain. Britain is giving away money that it doesn't have!
And the urgency with which they move to suppress dissent and criticism about Islam makes their faith look weak, as though it cannot stand on its own in the free market of ideas.
It can't! And that's why Mohammed had his critics murdered. And that's why non-Muslims are persecuted in Muslim-majority lands. And that's why Muslims will riot and kill those who are trying to do them a favour, and will wreck their own neighbourhoods over any perceived slight. Islam has never and will never allow a free market of ideas, free speech is Islam biggest enemy.
Islam can just about hold it's internal contratictions together when the Ulema controls the lives of the ummah, but Islam is a pot of unfired clay that merely dried in the desert sun, it looks smooth and sturdy because each generation has filled in the cracks with a new layer of slip, but fill the pot with the water of free enquiry and the whole thing will just return to a mush of soft clay. Islam is a joke, a killing joke.
Of course they will try to shut down free speech because they know that,
"Free speech is our fire alarm---disable it and the House that is Western Civilization will burn down."
The West is analog; Islam is digital. (a summary in seven words)
King said it enough time's and most people know it, CAIR were named as co conspirators in a terror trial. how in Gods name are they allowed to continue as spokesmen for islam in America. Cair and everyone concerned with the group should be made illigal and prosecuted. America is getting just like Europe. FAST
Huh. I read the press release on the Senator's website. There isn't one mention of Islam or American Muslims at all. Why would CAIR be drawn to this meeting, of all the meetings in all the gin joints in NY?
I mean, they're not protesting the Home and Garden Show, or the M.A.D.D. meeting, or the Mary Kay Convention...why would they object to his meeting? Surely, they're just as for the protection of New Yorkers and Americans just the same as any other American...right?
I wonder what drew them to his little meeting? I don't see the Freemasons planning a protest. Or the Girl Scouts. Or NOW. Or The Tea Partiers.
I wonder why we worry about these people and their lack of political acumen and sophistry. Oh. Because sooner or later they want to "beat us lightly" and decide whether my #6 Cheeseburger Meal with fries and a Coke is halal.
More than this: they are buying the rope with which to be pulled apart by two camels.
No doubt about it...CAIR doens't want the truth about Islam to reach Infidel Ears...
In other words: the enemy is protesting scrutiny of both their murder cult and its latest killing spree.
Someone mentions Pakistan education above. One third of Pakistan's primary education curriculum is made up of worthless arabic, quran and hadith studies. In the madrassas, those form 80%. We shouldn't be subsidizing that territorial-demographic cancer. Let them implode in their ignorance.
"They don't seem to realize ... that their paranoia makes them look like they have something to hide. And the urgency with which they move to suppress dissent and criticism about Islam makes their faith look weak, as though it cannot stand on its own in the free market of ideas."
They have a lot to hide: Islam is chock-full of very nasty beliefs and practices like wife-beating, honor-killing, murder of homosexuals and apostates, slavery or dhimmitude for non-believers, piracy and brigandage against neighboring lands, etc.
And, yes, their faith is weak and could not stand a week in a society that really allowed freedom of conscience. It can only be maintained by threats and intimidation.
The story seems relatively straight-forward, until the subtle bias crops up in the last paragraph:
CAIR came out strongly against Rep. Peter King's congressional hearings on Muslim radicalization, but King brushed aside their attacks by frequently calling them an "unindicted co-conspirators" in a terrorist attack.
Note that according to the author King merely called them "unindicted co-conspirators," as though that was simply King's opinion, with no basis in fact. An honest journalist would have written something more like, "King dismissed their attacks by noting that according to a federal court, CAIR was an unindicted co-conspirator in a terrorist case."
does anyone here know when this protest happening? is anyone here have a presence to counter it? if so, I would like to go it.
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From the article:"t he hearing has attracted some controversy due to the presence of Nonie Darwish, a human rights activist and writer who has said that Islam is "cruel, anti-women, anti-religious freedom and anti-personal freedom in general".
Note that the reporter omits to mention that Nonie Darwish is an ex-Muslim, now a Christian.
Rewrite the paragraph - "the hearing has attracted some controversy due to the presence of former Muslim, now Christian, Nonie Darwish, a human rights activist and writer who has said that Islam is "cruel, anti-women, anti-religious freedom and anti-personal freedom in general".
Imagine that, back in the 1950s or 1960s, someone was holding a public meeting at which Communist machinations and Communist ideology were to be discussed. Imagine that a former Communist, a defector from the Soviet Union, was going to be one of the speakers. Would a reporter, discussing such a meeting, fail to mention the fact that such a speaker *was* an ex-Communist, a convert to Christianity and a defector from the USSR?
Can Robert and Ms. Geller organize a counter-demonstration, to show support for the hearing and the brave activists like Nonie Darwish there? And against Islam and the Muslim fanatics under CAIR there. Through facebook, things can be hold within the last minute even.
When the hell is there going to be an investigation into C A I R and all of their nefarious ilk? The US government already knows they and the M S A have connections to terror, WHEN WILL THEY START PROTECTING AMERICANS FROM THE MENACE IN OUR MIDST?
For the umpteenth time, stopping the jihadis on a case by case basis will never stop jihad. Only by targeting and neutralizing the subversives agitators and recruiters
The FBI's entrapment strategy is only capable of catching those idiots that recruiters might have recruited. By taking the role of recruiters the FBI is ignoring the actual villians they should be targeting.
Aren't there now documents in the governments official awareness stating that these people are waging war against us?
Aren't subversives and propogandists shot in time of war?
I am not advocating vigilanteism but the legal and military arms of the government must have enough information available to them to take decisive action.
whoops. What I meant to say was this:
For the umpteenth time, stopping the jihadis on a case by case basis will never stop jihad. Only by targeting and neutralizing the subversives agitators and recruiters can the governement do something about the menace in our midst.
India was a big ally of the USSR and the Soviets supplied tons of weapons to India to threaten Pakistan.
And lets not forget that during the Cold War the west supported terrorist groups like the Bozkurt thugs who were and are currently attacking Christian armenians in Turkey, the American CIA was linked to the Bozkurts as well as other groups that want to force Sharia law on muslims. They used the bozkurts to attack allegedly "communist kurds", and encourage pan turkist islamists in the Soviet Union to revolt.
These were the same pan Turkist Islamists, the Uyghur bughra brothers who established the East Turkestan Islamic Republic, which Hui generals destroyed abd opposed, executing the Bughras for their intolerance and murders of non uyghurs and non muslim. The Bughras were murdering Hindus and attacking swedes which makes one wonder why the west though backing pan turkists was a good idea.
Also weapons were supplied to the muslim brotherhood in Syria from Turkey during the 80's, at the same time the Bozkurts, secretly backed by America, were calling for Sharia law and viciously persecuting armenians and kurds. Most weapons to Turkey come from the west, which makes us wonder why the west is so interested in forcing Sharia law upon muslims.
Both the west and the Soviet Union trampled upon the third world like a carpet and never thought much about the well being of its inhabitants.
Nonie Darwish only represents Egypt and no other society, not even other Arab countries which are tolerant like Syria and Oman.
Most people I know, including good friends, have not a clue as to what CAIR is... indeed, they are largely ignorant about islam since they do not frequent sites like this, relying instead (if at all, really) on TV and other MSM news outlets for, er, well, the news. What they do hear about islam, muslims, etc., is so watered down or misleading, they really have no clue as to the truth about islam. Hate tot ell you, but those who frequent sites like this are, unfortunately, still in the minority.
If you don't believe me, ask 20 people today who Mollie Norris is...I guarantee you'll be surprised by the answers.
"Nonie Darwish only represents Egypt and no other society, not even other Arab countries which are tolerant like Syria and Oman."
Well, we have Wafa Sultan speaking about the tolerant Syria.
Thanks for the lessons about the cold-war-era, but that ended in 1991. Shortly thereafter, also the remaining big embarrassing apartheid regime in South Africa fell.
What happened then was because of this rivalry between say Communism and Liberal-Democratic societies. It is long since over. And condemning governments should be done by comparing them to all then existing governments with all their actions. But you only compare their actions with the actions of some kind of non-existent utopia. And of course to that all fall short.
By saying that Nonie Darwish only represents Egypt you again use the argument going like: All people, all Muslims are innocent until proven guilty. When a part of Muslims behave badly, then the Muslims must be considered totally divided and totally unaccountable for what other Muslims do.
But, that is much too vague. The argument now is: Are Muslims primary loyal to the Ummah or to the nation they reside in? They can't be loyal to both. Are Muslims primary loyal to Democratic laws or to Islamic laws, when the 2 contradict? They can't be loyal to both.
And in case of danger, threat, no longer is everyone "innocent until proven guilty" That would be a suicidal attitude to take by an alert citizenry and government.
No, in this case, of the rising mountains of clues that Muslims are primary loyal to anti-Democratic Ummah and laws, and that many are acting accordingly, the burden of proof is upon Muslims. That they are different in attitudes and loyalties from what these mountains of clues show.
America needs to tell CAIR to kiss out ARSES and just ignore these idiots. Who are they to tell us what to do? A group known for terrorist ties should't have any say anyway. America has a bunch of wussies in our government that need to stop this insanity. Islam is EVIL and more and more American are starting to understand this and are getting sick of these morons.
Demsci
good answer.
And anyone who's read Nonie Darwish's book on sharia, Cruel and Usual Punishment, knows that she's done her homework on Islam, not just as it is currently practised and taught in Egypt or as it was practised in previous decades, but across the board.
It is also worth noting that the school of sharia followed in Egypt, the shafii school, obtains in a number of other places, including northeastern Africa and Indonesia...and Indonesia is, as we are always being told, the world's most populous Muslim country. So Ms Darwish's experience and observations of life in an Islamic country heavily influenced by shafii school of sharia, are relevant to the lives of a *lot* of Muslims.
Hi DDA, I appreciate any compliment coming from you, thank you.
I hope that JW-ers as a team steadily perform better and better, in 2011-2020.