Beating a burning effigy of Obama: all that pandering and dhimmitude, and for what?
The madness continues, with no one daring to label it madness or stand up for the freedom of speech. "Quran protests spread to turbulent Afghan east," by Rahmat Gul and Rahim Faiez for Associated Press, April 3 (thanks to Block Ness):
JALALABAD, Afghanistan – Demonstrators battled police in southern Afghanistan's main city on Sunday and took to the streets in the turbulent east for the first time as Western pleas failed to halt a third day of rage over a Florida pastor's burning of the Quran.
Why only "Western pleas"? Where are the "moderates" pleading with their coreligionists to calm down and trying to attain some semblance of rationality about this?
An officer was shot dead in a second day of clashes in the city of Kandahar, said provincial health director Qayum Pokhla. Two officers and 18 civilians were wounded, he said.In Jalalabad, the largest city in the east, hundreds of people blocked the main highway for three hours, shouting for U.S. troops to leave, burning an effigy of President Barack Obama and stomping on a drawing of a U.S. flag. More than 1,000 people set tires ablaze to block another highway in eastern Parwan province for about an hour, said provincial police chief Sher Ahmad Maladani.
The violence was set off by anger over the March 20 burning of the Quran by a Florida church — the same church whose pastor had threatened to do so last year on the anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, triggering worldwide outrage....
Thousands of demonstrators in the previously peaceful northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif poured into the streets after Friday's Muslim prayer services and overran a U.N. compound, killing three U.N. staff members and four Nepalese guards.
On Saturday, hundreds of Afghans holding copies of the Quran over their heads marched in Kandahar before attacking cars and businesses. Security forces opened fire and nine protesters were killed but the governor of Kandahar said officers had only fired into the air. He said 81 were wounded and 17 people, including seven armed men, had been arrested.
Military commander Gen. David Petraeus and the top NATO civilian representative in Afghanistan, Mark Sedwill, said they "hope the Afghan people understand that the actions of a small number of individuals, who have been extremely disrespectful to the holy Quran, are not representative of any of the countries of the international community who are in Afghanistan to help the Afghan people."
The Taliban said in a statement emailed to media outlets that the U.S. and other Western countries had wrongly excused the burning of the Quran as freedom of speech and that Afghans "cannot accept this un-Islamic act."...
But the U.S. didn't excuse the burning of the Qur'an as freedom of speech. It should have, but it didn't. Obama condemned it as "bigotry" without saying a word about the freedom of speech.
see what happens when you compromise with a bully, it does you no good as you still get beaten! Obama is tries to compromise with evil and still gets burned in effigy. Better to stand up, be defiant in the face of evil and be a Churchill than to compromise with the wickedness, get NOTHING and be a Chamberlain and be defeated!
But the U.S. didn't excuse the burning of the Qur'an as freedom of speech. It should have, but it didn't. Obama condemned it as "bigotry" without saying a word about the freedom of speech.
Another case where our president failed to fulfill his oath of office. He DID swear to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
As for the Muslims: their actions have no more shock value. There is no reason to care what happens to them. It's time to preserve our own freedoms. Get the heck out of their lands and let them find their own way. No more nation building EVER AGAIN.
Funny how these types of events seem to happen after Friday prayers.
Good Lord. What an awful religion. Islam is the faith for adults who refuse to grow up. What other major religion has followers who conduct themselves in droves in such a barbaric way? Yeah, burning any book is not a good idea, but killing people for burning books is an infinitely worse idea. Shame on Islam. Once again. So tired of this wretched excuse for a religion. What a burden it is to mankind.
only good thing about this, is that they used effigy of obama.. sick and tired of same old bush ones.. now obama can feel the heat lol.. sucks to be a muslim, the world is onto them even though the elites dont get it, the rest of the real people do!
"On Saturday, hundreds of Afghans holding copies of the Quran over their heads marched in Kandahar before attacking cars and businesses"
Muslims throwing temper tantrums...Uncontrollable Islamic rage...what an ugly religion..
They're a pack of glue sniffing hyenas.
They have the capacity to learn about a miniscule event in our country that most were oblivious too even a week after it happened, yet have not learned anything else of our history or society.
They certainly haven't bothered to look into why so many people have fled to America and Europe from countries like theirs.
Considering that so many immagrants come from muslim counties shouldn't the people in those countries be asking "why do WE hate us"?
All the King's horses and all the King's men couldn't put Humpistan Dumpistan together again.
I will not say that I understand the meaning of the movie, 2001: A Space Odyssey.
But I will point out that the photo above reminds me of the opening sequence of that movie.
See 2001 movie still here.
The madness continues, with no one daring to label it madness...
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That pretty much sums it up...
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On Saturday, hundreds of Afghans holding copies of the Quran over their heads marched in Kandahar before attacking cars and businesses.
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Apparently there's no "desecration" involved in holding up a Qu'ran while going on a violent rampage, even if the businesses and property they are destroying belong to their fellow Muslims.
No wonder there is so much backwardness and poverty in the Muslim world.
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The Taliban said in a statement emailed to media outlets that the U.S. and other Western countries had wrongly excused the burning of the Quran as freedom of speech and that Afghans "cannot accept this un-Islamic act."...
But the U.S. didn't excuse the burning of the Qur'an as freedom of speech. It should have, but it didn't. Obama condemned it as "bigotry" without saying a word about the freedom of speech.
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Well, yes and no.
While civilized Westerners like ourselves consider this—quite rightly—a failure to properly defend freedom of speech, this is not how the Taliban and other pious Muslims see it.
After all, Pastor Jones was not arrested, tortured, and summarily executed for burning that Qu'ran—even by those who may have decried it. A crazed mob failed to descend on his church and burn it to the ground; and no one pulled his parishioners from their homes to behead them in the street—after raping their wives and daughters, of course.
After all, that's how they'd do it in Dar-al-Islam...
Freaking barbarians, mentaly defeciant, inbred,animals. Here's the deal,we need to bring all the solders home. Tell all the muslims to kiss our ass' When they start that crap over here, I stand ready...waiting. I will defend my country. Those bastards do not deserve our attention, at all. Lets get past this damn dino oil thing and move the frig on. F them let kill each other. If they make one false move...smoke em. Just saying....
"Islam is the faith for adults who refuse to grow up."
Much like Marxism.
"What other major religion has followers who conduct themselves in droves in such a barbaric way?"
Marxism.
"What a burden it is to mankind."
Islam or Marxism? I got confused by now.
Oh, Obama is playing fire !!
Of course, I meant a conventional faith, Doom-and-gloom. Marxism, fascism in its many forms too, is a substitute faith, a substitute religion, a plague of the modern age. Environmentalim in its more extreme forms is another example of a substitute, a secular, religion.
Only to think that these guys were Buddhists one upon a time! They are the descendants of the same Buddhist ancestors. Only this time they have adopted Islam.
And what difference in behavior from Buddhists!!
Desecration of the Qur’an.
Many Moslem ‘experts’ claim that only the Arabic version of the Qur'an is ‘valid’ – Again why do Muslims become ‘outraged’ when an invalid version (English) of the Qur’an is ‘desecrated’ – and we only hear of those burned by infidels.
When a copy of the Qur’an is covered by blood and feces by a suicide bomber who kills or wounds fellow Muslims who happen to be carrying a copy of the Qur’an that is damaged in any way – burned, covered by blood (human or animal, especially dog flesh) or human waste exploding from their intestines. Also can’t we presume that the bomber may be carrying a copy of the Qur’an at the time he sets off the explosives? Might that keep him/her out of paradise?
Again isn’t any ‘desecration of a copy of the Qur’an’ considered a serious sinful act regardless of who causes it? Some might say it was not a willful act by a suicide bomber. Give us all a break - the bomber is aware of the possible presence of devote Muslims carrying their copy of the Qur'an at the time of the explosion.
Is the infidel’s act any more ‘sinful’ deserving death or Hell for all eternity than the above mentioned suicide bomber’s act. Don’t give the suicide bomber a ‘get out of hell’ card either, all acts of ‘desecration of a Qur’an’ deserve DEATH and HELL or NEITHER.
Why does NO ONE on any network new every mention these issues?
As to the Pope being asked to condemn the infidel's act of desecration - he should agree to this when suicide bombers agree to stop their potential acts of desecration.
How do Imams respond to these questions?
BTW – doesn’t Saudi Arabia confiscate copies of non-Arabic Qur’an and shred them (isn’t shreding considered desecration) when visitors attempt to bring unauthorized versions into that country as well as copies of the Christian Bible?
And BTW we don’t here anymore about sprinkling pork fat on the identified remains of suicide bombers as a possible deterrent – it might make them question their decision to blow themselves up? Don’t give the PC argument against doing this -that it wouldn’t be playing FAIR.
As to my sign-on, I was a USN 'kiddie cruiser' only in for 2 1/2 years - and made second class PO - this was not the high-point in my life, just a sign-on source.
Well, more and more, I think this Quran-burning had to be done. I deplore the death of the victims of course, but this violent reaction is bad publicity for Islam and Muslims and an opportunity for Muslim-accusers.
When this get's discussed the tables can be turned on Muslims and Muslim-defenders who routinely exonerate and wave away the intentions, violent texts of Islam and the violent, oppressive acts of Muslims. In answer to protests, based on countless facts and arguments. Every protest against Muslims, even about the most violent and oppressive acts, is made relative, denied or outright ignored.
Well, this time an INFIDEL ostensibly did something "atrocious", ostensibly endangering US troops + UN personnel with retaliations. And now Muslim-accusers can use all sorts of tu-quoque, all sorts of making everything relative that Muslims and Muslim-defenders (can) bring up against this perpetrator, Terry Jones. Now Muslim-accusers can deny, ignore, make everyting relative that he did.
When the Muslims and Muslim-defenders get treated in the same way, with the same standards as they themselvelves always treat Muslim-accusers, maybe then they'll learn something and look at themselves and their compatriots in a more critical way.
"Military commander Gen. David Petraeus and the top NATO civilian representative in Afghanistan, Mark Sedwill, said they "hope the Afghan people understand that the actions of a small number of individuals, who have been extremely disrespectful to the holy Quran, are not representative of any of the countries of the international community who are in Afghanistan to help the Afghan people.""...
Funny thing, I do not remember us "going into Afghanistan to help the Afghan people", I thought we were attacked.
We need a re-focus of the leadership positions of the United States, in a very big way.
I would happily pay for the plane tickets for all the west-haters, lefty students, gaza rent-a-mob and general do-gooderswho usually protest at the drop of a hat to fly out to Afghanistan to join in the 'protests' or reason with their muslim brothers..........
OBOWma is the 1st Muslim US President
The Freedom of Speech is therefore hard-fought from our for-fathers.
FREEDOM NEVER COME EASY
What an ungrateful bunch you are...what do you peoples stand for any more?....anything????
People have been killed, maimed as a direct result of this f..king "pastor"...
Patreaus's words are not reassuring...Ship this pastor to Afghanistan.....let him discuss his actions with the people of Afghanistan.
No, it's *you* - if you should happen to be currently resident within the as-yet-free non-Muslim lands - who ought to be packed onto the plane to Afghanistan.
We don't trust you, and we have good reason not to trust you and other members of the Mohammedan Mob who have colonised our countries and now strut, swagger, and sneer...when they're not whingeing and squawking in a well-rehearsed pantomime of victimhood.
Out with you!
ungrateful bunch
Exactly for which benificence are you asking us to be grateful?
Ship this pastor to Afghanistan
Sorry, but the crime of free speech isn't extraditable offence, and there is still the rule of law and no Sharia in the US.
BTW When did Afghanistan become the centre of jurisprudence for the Ummah.
a small number of individuals, who have been extremely disrespectful to the holy Quran, are not representative ...(Petraeus)
Will the Guardian be doing a straw poll to establish how many people respect and disrespect the 'holy' Koran?
The Guardian poll has now closed.
Is the Florida pastor who burnt the Qur'an morally responsible for the deaths of UN staff in protests in Afghanistan?
44.7% Yes, it is a provocative blasphemy against others' beliefs
55.3% No, it should be considered a legitimate free speech act
what do you peoples stand for any more?....anything????
Try reading Magna Carta, the English Bill of Rights 1689, the Act of Settlement 1701, the US Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution (with the US Bill of Rights), Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen 1789/1793, and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948. There have been some amendments and improvements since then, but the fundamentals are there.
You ask what so many of us here at JW stand for. We stand for free speech and freedom in general. That's what we stand for. And Islam and freedom are incompatible, as demonstrated once again by Muslim barbarians, this time in Afghanistan.
Yes, the burning of books is a bad idea, but killing people for burning books is a far worse idea. And freedom of speech doesn't mean didly squat if you can't offend people from time to time. Actually, of any group of people who need to be offended, it's Muslims. They're the biggest crybabies in the world, whiners left and right, their faith produces almost all of the religious terrorists in the world and they are actually ready to kill when their damn holy book is burnt. Pathetic. So don't place the blame on us or even those who burn books until you place blame where it should be placed first and foremost---on Muslim loons.
Apparently burning is an acceptable way to dispose of a worn out copy of the Koran. SJS results only if it's done by the kuffar.
What was that formula for napalm again? Benzene, gasoline, polystyrene, koran ...
Why aren't muslims in the US protesting the burning of the qur'an by good 'ol Pastor Jones? Why aren't they burning down the city of Detroit (not being sure that there's anything left to burn) or taking to the streets in Patterson, NJ or any of the other muslim enclaves in the US. Why, not even CAIR mentions the burning. They do have a news flash condemning the attack on the UN facility in Afghanistan, but that's it. Can someone explain to me why the domestic US muslim community does not make a bigger issue out of these events? Why do they leave the dirty work to their brethren in places like afghanistan?
Yes you'd love that wouldn't you ...As long as YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT YOU WANT AND THAT YOU DENY THOSE SAME RIGHTS TO ME.
Well woman...it's not going to happen ...I have as much right as you to be where I am ...because this world belongs to us all ...Allah's SWT Duniya..with all it's wonders which includes pigs and fuffar.
Christianity and it's extremists are the evils of all religion...don't call that man a pastor...he is evil scum who needs to know that it is wrong to burn the Holy Quaran.
Why does he not want to go to Afghanistan? Does he not want to have a rational discussion with those people who have needlessly lost loved ones?
You may want me to go...but it's not up to you is it?...there are many in America who will my defend my right to stay...LOL now that probably pisses you off ...so much the better...you pussy footed high heeled "broad".
One day your children or possibly grandchildern will pray to Allah SWT with mine....I will look forward to that day...for now I will sit tight and pray alone...unless ofcourse you want to join me!!!!
''Yes you'd love that wouldn't you ...As long as YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT YOU WANT AND THAT YOU DENY THOSE SAME RIGHTS TO ME''
Exactly what 'rights' are being denied to you ? The 'right' to murder, bomb, rape and destroy? Well, of course if you live in a free democratic, civilised Western country, you don't have the 'right' to do these things, because civilised people designate these acts as crimes, and if/when caught, people who commit them are punished. In islamic cess pits, however, these things seem to be 'halal', so perhaps you'd do better to trot over to Afghanistan, or Pakistan - knock yourself out.
''...don't call that man a pastor...he is evil scum who needs to know that it is wrong to burn the Holy Quaran.''
Really ? Is it wrong then for muslims to burn the Holy Bible ? Or to shred Bibles like they do in Saudi Arabia ? Do you see Christians out on the streets murdering muslims when you cretins do these things ? No. Why ? Because we are civilised, intelligent people, not knuckle dragging, mindless throwbacks to the 7th century.
I don't share the opinions of some posters on here who think PASTOR Jones was wrong to burn the UNHOLY qu'ran c***. I think he was absolutely right to do so, it was HIS property, and he made it very clear why he was doing it - because your so-called 'holy' book is nothing more than the schizophrenic hallucinations of that vicious, disgusting paedophile, murderer and torturer, who you have the gall to depict as 'the perfect man' ( I mean mo dear, may p*** and s*** rain down upon him) and is full of revolting rubbish anyone with half a brain would have to totally reject.
Typical muslim, you and your ilk refuse to TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for their own actions. It isn't PASTOR Jones out there murdering, raping, burning and beheading, it's your brain dead co-religionists. He burned a book, they immediately went and murdered UN people who, naively and stupidly, went there to HELP. And they're STILL carrying on.
''Why does he not want to go to Afghanistan? Does he not want to have a rational discussion with those people who have needlessly lost loved ones?''
Yes, of course, your brain-dead co-religionists are known for their ability to have rational discussions (rationality requires a functioning brain, dear.) 'Needlessly lost loved ones ?'' - Is that muslim newspeak for murder ? Who murdered their loved ones ?
''One day your children or possibly grandchildern will pray to Allah SWT with mine....''
MY grandchildren will NEVER pray to your vile idolatrous moon god ( may p*** and s*** rain down on his non-existent head), because islam is going to fail big time; you WILL NEVER succeed in making free, intelligent, civilised people bow the knee to your revolting 'deity.' I hope YOUR grandchildren will be lifting their arses to allah 5X a day in some islamic c*** hole, ring fenced by the forces of civilisation, doomed to live and wallow in their own filth and decrepitude. Enjoy.
''you pussy footed high heeled "broad".''
That's actually quite funny, but, as 'there is no fun in islam', I'm sure it was unintentional. DDA may very well wear high heels, but I'm pretty sure she's not 'broad.' (I am though, so you can call me 'broad' to your heart's content !) What exactly is 'pussy footed' ? I'm dying to know what peculiar islamic insult this is - I thought it was only dogs and pigs that were haram ? Does your nasty little anti-animal lexicon include pussycats as part of the the muslim index as well ?
''...for now I will sit tight and pray alone... ''
Is this some new fatwa ? I thought you all had to raise your arses and bang your foreheads 5X a day ? But now you can SIT TIGHT and pray ? I think you should inform CAIR...I don't think they know this... but hey, cheers for sharing it with us at JW !
Yes, General Petraus and Mr. Sedwill, one can only hope they will understand. Ah hope, what a lovely thing.
"The madness continues with no one daring to label it madness"
This madness is ultimately the end product of everything a strong, practicing muslim thinks, says and does in remaining true to his religion. In the Middle East in particular, the endless praying, kneeling, rituals, bowing, studying of the Quran, and other religious conditioning, day after day, month after month, year after year takes its toll.
At the same time, so many activities meeting social, psycholgical and personal needs are outlawed - they condition themselves to their beliefs, denying the suppressing the reality of their lives for some object of worship which has no proven existence or substance.
I guess its stating the obvious that when they adhere relentlessly to this way of life, especially in regions of poverty and war, over time there's going to be a lot of anger building up - and it won't take much to bring it out in great big chunks called rage. Surely much of the mass hysteria demonstrated over Pastor Jones' 'Exorcism of the Quran' (my apologies for bad joke)is ultimately attributed to the very nature of Islamic beliefs and practices.
'No one daring to lable it madness'
My own feeling is that many of those who pander to Islamic groups, according them and the Quran respect do so out of fear - fear that their lives could become very uncomfortable if they voiced what was truly in their hearts. To call a spade a spade would bring immediate attention and you yourself would become the object of focus. No one seems prepared to stick his neck out. Yet it seems obvious a stance will have to be made, with no backing away. Somebody has to make a stand and say "no", 'No'. 'No' - to engage them, confront them, liaise with them and pander to them will all be in vian as this is how they grow and expand,
I can understand why Pres. Barack HUSSEIN Obama and Gen. Betrayus condemned the Pastor Terry for burning his copy of a translation of the Quran. It puts US military in danger of a teeny tiny minority of Muslims acting un-Islamic acts of violence.
But I am totally confused about burning an effigy of Pres. Barack HUSSEIN Obama who everybody knows is a MUSLIM.
Have A Thinking Day And May Reason Guide You
And all the western tourists who are picking up Thai prostitutes and molesting children should get the hell out of there right now. They do everything that Hui people in Thailand DON'T do to their hosts.
And you have said- "How M-o-h-a-m-m-e-d-a-n-s behave when they are in a distinct minority, and how they behave once they have the upper hand and control all the levers of power, are two entirely different things."
WRONG- (second part of this comment in this link proves otherwise- muslims were in FULL control, military and politically of parts of china, thousands of square miles and millions of people- there was ZERO sharia law imposed)
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/03/syrias-assad-blames-unrest-on-israeli-plot.html#comment-773961
Pastor Jones was correct...the Qur'an does instill violence..he is vindicated...
The appalling "Baklava" wrote:
What an ungrateful bunch you are...what do you peoples stand for any more?....anything????
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What exactly are we supposed to be "grateful" for? The crazed Muslims who are going on rampages *beheading people*? I find it difficult to be "grateful" for such a thing.
You have a great deal of gall asking decent JW readers what *we* stand for—it is *your* savage coreligionists who have gone on an orgy of murder.
We stand for freedom of speech and civilized debate. You have no word of condemnation for the homicidal Muslim mobs. Are we then to assume that their savagery is what *you* stand for?
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People have been killed, maimed as a direct result of this f..king "pastor"...
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Rot. These people have been killed and maimed because so many of your fellow Muslims are utter barbarians.
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Patreaus's words are not reassuring...Ship this pastor to Afghanistan.....let him discuss his actions with the people of Afghanistan.
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Why should the pastor address such savages? How is he morally obligated to so? Since you seem to believe they have no self-control whatsoever, it would be like "discussing his actions" with man-eating great-white sharks or maddened grizzly bears.
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Yes you'd love that wouldn't you ...As long as YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT YOU WANT AND THAT YOU DENY THOSE SAME RIGHTS TO ME.
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Jan already addressed a lot of the following. Still, I would ask: What rights do you believe Dumbledore's Army would deny you? Unless you believe that engaging in murderous rampages whenever anyone "offends" you is part of your "religion"?
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Christianity and it's extremists are the evils of all religion...don't call that man a pastor...he is evil scum who needs to know that it is wrong to burn the Holy Quaran.
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How so? Again, you condemn Pastor Jones, but appear to have no harsh words for the Muslim mobs *beheading people* back in Dar-al-Islam.
Pastor Jones didn't just bar-b-que that "Holy Qu'ran"—he put it on trial for its violent texts. How does this murderous insanity in Afghanistan *not prove him right*?
There is only one way—that is Muslim supremacism, where Infidels are not allowed under Shari'ah to speak out about the irrational evil of Islam.
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Why does he not want to go to Afghanistan? Does he not want to have a rational discussion with those people who have needlessly lost loved ones?
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They lost loved ones to *Muslim violence*. Do you believe the "slaves of Allah" are entirely lacking in free will? Do you believe they were driven as if possessed to murder these people's loved ones?
Will the *killers* have a rational discussion with the bereaved? I doubt they would be capable of such a thing.
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You may want me to go...but it's not up to you is it?...there are many in America who will my defend my right to stay...LOL now that probably pisses you off ...so much the better...you pussy footed high heeled "broad".
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And "Baklava" starts in with the predictable misogyny...
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One day your children or possibly grandchildern will pray to Allah SWT with mine....I will look forward to that day...for now I will sit tight and pray alone...unless ofcourse you want to join me!!!!
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Would that keep them safe from the depredations of you and your coreligionists? It would not. When Muslims run out of Kaffirs to murder, they simply turn on each other...
This is no about Jones, or a burnt qur'an.
Most here have not burnt the qur'an, most would never do so. But, if YOU ever find out who some of us are, and drop us into your world, as you want for pastor Jones, we would suffer the same fate as he.
We know this, as do you.
The "faith" of islam is a death cult, it is it's being, nothing more.